It is and it isn’t
― median punt (gyac), Friday, 6 March 2020 12:49 (four years ago) link
i have you
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 6 March 2020 12:49 (four years ago) link
Now I'm reading it in a rising and falling pitch :/
― median punt (gyac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:13 (four years ago) link
hey im pretty sure that irish lurkers have shoen their disapproval of me in like fuckin sandwich queues let alone knowing what dept i work in
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
Ah no, I barely know anyone from Meath - home schooled from 8 and then off to Trinity at 13. I mean, I did end up knowing a few folks from Kells there, but they're all about four years older than me, where if I remember right, you're in the other direction (though there's always family).
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 March 2020 14:35 (four years ago) link
That’s what I’m afraid of!I feel, weirdly, deems and I might have the closest irl connection, and I’ve spent time on his island (I doubt he’s ever been to my bit of the country and, Clonmacnoise aside, I don’t blame him lol).
― median punt (gyac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:42 (four years ago) link
i bin everywhere
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link
but i admit curiosity to this mysterious possible connection
also, nakh has been to ach1ll which is one of those v curious things
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link
Is it? I spent a week there during TY and it remains one of my best school experiences.Did I not webmail you about this before? Ah, the moment’s passed.
― median punt (gyac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:49 (four years ago) link
let it die, for the best
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 6 March 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
I could post this in any number of threads but this is a good breakdown of the issues with citizens’ assemblies by good Irish twitter user/writer Mr_considerate. (His real name is there but idk if he wants them linked!)Since I am here by myself and have some lunch time left, the other pressing issue of the day (LBI!)
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:11 (four years ago) link
Accentmonkey of ILX used to live in Meath.
― the pinefox, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:23 (four years ago) link
???
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
I was in Meath at the end of last year, had a v nice time pottering about historical sites and drinking the good guinness in a tiny cottage pub that looked like it'd barely changed in 50 years
― ogmor, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
Did you go to Newgrange? I went there as a child but my only abiding memory is my dad getting sick outside. Would love to do winter solstice but imagine it’s incredibly difficult.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:32 (four years ago) link
Not this time but I also went as a child and was v struck by it
― ogmor, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:32 (four years ago) link
thanks Gyac! So it's Garro-idg vs Ga-rode then :D
(Accentmonkey is an ilx-user of yore)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:35 (four years ago) link
Do love there can be so many different variations, even within the same language, because of dialect and regional variaties.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:36 (four years ago) link
You should go to Clonmacnoise next time you’re in the Midlands, it’s a beautiful site, and it makes an appearance in Heaney:
The annals say: when the monks of ClonmacnoiseWere all at prayers inside the oratoryA ship appeared above them in the air.The anchor dragged along behind so deepIt hooked itself into the altar railsAnd then, as the big hull rocked to a standstill,A crewman shinned and grappled down the ropeAnd struggled to release it. But in vain.‘This man can’t bear our life here and will drown,’The abbot said, ‘unless we help him.’ SoThey did, the freed ship sailed, and the man climbed backOut of the marvellous as he had known it.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:36 (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
dont defer at all g, we have a great thread somewhere that does indeed go into the sheer variance and regionality of our many accents
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:55 (four years ago) link
said it manys the time, theres seven accents on the island and traceable if i may be allowed to imagine without any evidence other than my own fancy back to the seven different maisteairi of the different parishes back when everyones grandparents were learning proper enguleesh
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
Well my Irish teachers were always telling us how Leinster is a desert for Irish (true) although we did spend time in a Gaeltacht in Meath(!) and I will never forget my oral examiner telling me our school was “much better than the Dublin girls, with their ‘O mo Dhia’”. Yeah, it was my worst subject but I love the language itself, but we didn’t have the best teachers at LC.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:01 (four years ago) link
deems do you say Fine Gale or Fine Gwale?
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link
not answering until you tell me how u pronounce fine
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link
non-irish: observe. this is how we behave among our own.
Yeah, it was my worst subject but I love the language itself, but we didn’t have the best teachers at LC.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:01 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
can't speak it, but i know it to me bones as a true son of the boggy gaeltacht, so i can read it without hesitation as to accent.
basically i can read in sean-nós.
but as i think ive said manys the time here, despite being a bit of a grouch re the movements to boost the language (primarily on the twin fronts of the lecturing tone as to why one "should" know it as well as the wrongheaded approach to how to go about it) i regret not learning it to conversational level and promise myself most years to get working on it. its a beautiful language.
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link
finn-ehI say FYE-nance not Finn-ance RTÉ style if that’s where this was going
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link
Accentmonkey is neither former Meath nor former ILX!
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
I would have thought someone in your employment needed to have it, or did the blueshirts send that the way of compulsory history to junior cert?
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
yeah you do hear it both ways, i find that people either say
finneh guwayel
or
fine gale (nice wind you got there)
hmm...if i ran at it without thinking id probably sound it as finna gyael meself.
no right way obv
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:11 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
one of the many myths!
I should learn The Irish past my puny amount at some point, but Jen is learning Scottish Gaelic (pron. Gallic apparently?) and I'm not sure if it would be good or bad to have both ringing about the house at the same time.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:16 (four years ago) link
I can hear gale or guwayel, but I don't think I've ever heard fine-as-in-soft-day!
(I might have asked this before but) do you still need to pass Irish to pass the LC?
one of the o/h's student flatmates in NI had got good marks at school in every other subject but had been forced to go up north for uni as because he couldn't scrape a pass in Irish even after many resits and so didn't get his piece of paper (so I was told)
he was a mature student by that time as he'd already gone to Silicon Valley, made a million in the dot com boom, then lost it again. he went back afterwards, quite possibly made another million, who knows about the hanging onto it this time round - good luck to him anyway
(also keen to hear the various positions on the Gale vs Gwale issue. is Gwoil an option or is that part just assumed to go without saying and/or interpolated by my tin tan ear?)
― a passing spacecadet, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link
xp its a west coast thing
again testimony to the personalised aspect of the whole thing over here imo
on that note, id say no better tribute to the language than to have two different versions of it ringing around the one house
i speak six different dialects of english meself, depending, so i mean
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link
aps, unless you're exempt then as far as my knowledge goes then you do
exempt, as far as i remember, only really covers your having been a citizen abroad until x age or whatever
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
and, not being funny but it is rather on point, id need to know how you pronounced gwoil, really.
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:20 (four years ago) link
finn-ants is one of many oar-tee-ee sins against language obv
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link
I’ve never heard Fine as in fine, what are they feeding ye out there
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, March 9, 2020 4:11 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Ehm, am I missing something here? Accentmonkey was a former ilxor. Or rather: there was a user named accentmonkey around for quite some time.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link
Finn-ants is hideous. So is Fianna FOY-IL.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
Dyslexia will also do it, as per my sister's two eldest.
For the exception, not the fine.
I mean, same, but usually within the same sentence, which can roll on out for days, alerting passing shipping.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
xp need to know how you pronounce F tbh
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
She's still here, though I don't want to blow up her spot.
Deems upload your own clip of Fine Gael, I refuse to believe the evidence of my eyes
(ok that last may be a slight exaggeration)
xp oic
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
xxxxp is this a feck vs fuck thing?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
one of the days ilx will hear my lilting tones
but twont be today
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link
One of my proudest achievements living in the UK is the amount of Hiberno-Irish and just Irish picked up by the husband.
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link