Defend The Indefensible: Rick Wakeman

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Thank you. Thank you.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Listening to Close to the Edge today (after having found my cassette tape, yes cassette tape, again), it occurred to me that, perhaps, just perhaps, Rick Wakeman actually had a great sense of humor, even if he didn't realize it. I mean the harpsichord break on Siberian Khartu is effing hilarious. The prance-y electric rennaisance faire shit is a bit too much though.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link


Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000879J.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Greatest album cover ever.

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I fear to ask, but what does the 'plus' mean?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

he wears that gold cape in every picture from 75-78 it seems

chaki in charge (chaki), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh my.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the original album was called "Rock n Roll Prophet", and for the CD release he added on some tracks. Hence: "Rock n Roll Prophet Plus". This album, by the way, features the positively outstanding "I'm So Straight I'm a Weirdo" and "Do You Believe in Fairies?", with Wakeman himself taking lead vocals (ironically, he's better than 99% of the people he actually hired to sing lead vocals on his albums).

Back to the album cover,I particularly like the Snoopy doll hanging from the coat rack.

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Or maybe it's the model with the lollipop and McCartney bass...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 30 December 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

am i the only one who thinks that this album cover is almost momus-esque?

I fear to ask, but what does the 'plus' mean?

it's like the "32" on every bottle of rolling rock beer!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 30 December 2004 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but "Perpetual Change" and "Yours Is No Disgrace" are both vastly superior on Yessongs
All Yours Is No Disgrace Are Belong To Yes!

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 30 December 2004 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Que?

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 30 December 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Isn't it Wakeman who turns up on Grumpy Old Men? He's pretty funny on that - better than J Clarkson anyway.

Charles Dexter (Holey), Thursday, 30 December 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

it's like the "32" on every bottle of rolling rock beer!

What kind of drunk are you? It's 33

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

It's 32 PLUS 1.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 30 December 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Que?
Sorry. Was a lame joke on this already lame joke.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

(But quite why I like Jon Lord a lot, say, is a mystery.)-- Ned Raggett (Ned), teisipäev, 16. November 2004 11:50 (3 years ago)

Oi, man. Had we met in, say, '75 or samthung, I woulda been ready & willing to talk away on JonLord-iana for days on end. :)

t**t, Thursday, 10 January 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

er, lol?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IHVdG3rKqE

gershy, Monday, 26 May 2008 06:30 (fifteen years ago) link

http://home.maine.rr.com/abajoran/img/rw11.jpg

Reminds me of somebody but I can't put my finger on it.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 26 May 2008 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Rick Wakeman, per chance?

t**t, Monday, 26 May 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Or Gandalf the Grey with a reddish Rick Wakeman mane photoshopped unto 'im?

t**t, Monday, 26 May 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link

('m making them silly jokeses just to alleviate the strain of awaitin' my cd copy of six wiveses, which i orderered on teh cheap, to arrive...)

t**t, Monday, 26 May 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

there some super funky shit on journey to the centre of the earth and no earthly connection.

chaki, Monday, 26 May 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

one of my first threads *tear*
Taking Sides! Rick Wakemen vs. Keith Emerson!

chaki, Monday, 26 May 2008 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link

All I'll say is he plays an INSANE keyboard. In fact two at the same time. I'm just echoing the sentiments of various youtube viewers but Rick can play, he's adventurous musically but I feel that you really shouldn't ignore the fact that he destroyed Yes because he did it so spectacularly.

VeronaInTheClub, Monday, 26 May 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

(pace the thread header, i WOULD kinda want to hear mr. wakeman's take on dizzee rascal).

Eisbaer, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 05:04 (fifteen years ago) link

http://home.maine.rr.com/abajoran/img/rw11.jpg

Beck?

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Rick creates a riotous pastiche of his extraordinary life and escapades

Eh?

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

What Yes albums does he play on? When were they destroyed?

filthy dylan, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

there some super funky shit on journey to the centre of the earth and no earthly connection.

totally insane that the brilliant No Earthly Connection is STILL unavailable on cd. that needs fucking sorting out.

mark e, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

but I feel that you really shouldn't ignore the fact that he destroyed Yes because he did it so spectacularly.

Yes, we should. Nonsensical claim. Wakeman's part & parcel with the crew of over-the-top keyboard players working in Britain at the time: Keith Emerson -- ELP sold even more than Yes, Wakeman, and Vincent Crane, who never enjoyed much commercial success.

As for the classic Yes albums with Wakeman on them -- Fragile, Close to the Edge, Yessongs are great. Tales not so much although it's not his fault. Yes with Tony Kaye -- the first two can be passed on although the cover of "Every Little Thing" starts getting into the territory of righteous. The tunes arrive for Yes Album but not because of the keyboard player.

Gorge, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Going for the One's awesome too. Wakeman was back in the fold for that one after taking the (incredible) Relayer off. Whoever says he destroyed Yes has no idea what he's talking about.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Rick Wakeman is a genius and the main reason why Yes were so great in the 70s.

Solo Wakeman is largely indefensible though.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 08:42 (fifteen years ago) link

"White Rock" though?

IT'S ABOUT SKIING BEFORE ANYONE STARTS!!!

(it's great)...

Mark G, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 08:45 (fifteen years ago) link

"Rick Wakeman is a genius and the main reason why Yes were so great in the 70s."

Wont argue whether he's a genius or not, but the second part of this sentence is wrong.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't have the patience to read this whole thread, but I'm sure hoping someone here already pointed out that he is quite classic on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link

rick wakeman does a section of presets on my GForce minimoog vst, and they fuckin rock - they're the first presets i try on pretty much *any* song i make involving synths these days - ironically pretty much every last one of them sounds perfect for todays TranceCrunk(tm) production aesthetic...

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 08:05 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Six Wives - live !

no chance of me going along, but this is just going to be insanely over the top isn't it ..

mark e, Monday, 27 April 2009 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

I've been on a big prog rock trek for a couple of months, probably started by watching that BBC Prog Rock Brittania on You Tube a couple of times.

Haven't ventured past it yet, but I liked The Six Wives of Henry VIII more than I would have thought and it is one weird ass album to have somehow sold like 15 million copies. People had some patience back in those days, I just don't see any of this kind of weird music being THAT popular.

I liked it enough that I probably am going to try out another Wakeman record.

earlnash, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link

The Sex Pistols was the reason Rick left A&M, not the other way round...

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 06:39 (eleven years ago) link

No it has to be the other way around if it's true at all. I'm sceptical that he would have had that much sway at the label, since sales were waning (though his late 70s stuff is good - often preferable to the earlier, better known albums). Wakeman's final album for A&M came out in 1979, two years after the fact. I know that Wakeman showed up in a documentary talking about this and said it was essentially a bullshit story.

everything, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:26 (eleven years ago) link

xpost to earlnash - try Criminal Record, which is a digestible and enjoyably brief album from '77. It has a fair chunk of solo Rick mixed with Alan White, Chris Squire and Wakeman doing some fairly disciplined and enjoyable proggy bits.

everything, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 07:41 (eleven years ago) link

Basically, McLaren had said that the Sex Pistols' signing had upset some of the proggers on the label (He'd read, upside down, a memo on the A&M-A&R's desk to the extent of "hey, do we all have to wear safety pins through our noses now?" and said more or less in passing that it was him wot got them sacked.

At which point lots of A&M staffers were all "yes, yes, that's exactly what happened", which got Rick extremely pissed off. Doubtless, that was not the only factor, but maybe one of them that made him see out his contract then goodnight vienna.

One further album, "Rhapsodies", then off. (his "Criminal Record" presumably well on the way by then..)

Mark G, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 08:43 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks, that rings true. Wakeman was probably nearing the end at A&M anyway. "Criminal Record" did not sell too well I think - I recall stacks of copies marked down in Boots at the start of the 80s, which is where I got it from. Rhapsodies could be looked at as a stereotypical "last album for the label". It feels/sounds cut-price, has a terrible sleeve design (as did Criminal Record) and is all over the place, apparently hoping to appeal to the general public (there's everything from James Last-style orchestal disco to moogy riffs on famous classical/jazz tunes. This from a guy who has no business even considering what what "commercial" might sound like (listen to "Rock'n'Roll Prophet" to see how lamentable is his take on early-80s synthpop. Notwithstanding all that, to me there is some good stuff on these album due to his general creative quirkiness and blokey whimsicality.

everything, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

People had some patience back in those days, I just don't see any of this kind of weird music being THAT popular.

hypothesis: prog rock fulfilled a cinematic purpose for fantasy/scifi/stoner nerds in the mid seventies, but that purpose was superseded by blockbuster sci-fi movies and the spread of D&D and then FPS videogames. Punk didn't kill prog rock, the triumph of nerdery in other pop culture areas did.

bendy, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

Not wanting to sound negative but no.

everything, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

I'm totally digging Rock and Roll Prophet at the moment. It's like Wakeman meets the Buggles. And he sings weird duets!

http://open.spotify.com/album/1cOv3eKLgw8Tuas65QvaS6

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

totally insane that the brilliant No Earthly Connection is STILL unavailable on cd. that needs fucking sorting out.

i had no idea, but this was sorted out in 2012 with a US pressing, and the mastering is gorgeous, a lot richer than the cd editions of the other classics.

mark e, Monday, 3 November 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link


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