Previously critically acclaimed and/or successful acts who are already being written out of attempts at '10s canon-building

but, i mean, it's not even that long ago..

I take it Merriweather PP is placing, but what about later Animal Collective and later projects?

*sigh* I miss the days when I used to like that band. I can't listen to them at all any more.

mpp was 09 and nothing they've done since has been that acclaimed

haaa of course it was.

didn’t we just do a thread about this not too long ago?

Artists/bands that were once quite popular, yet nowadays are mostly ignored in canonical history books

We're talking about this decade and the canon-building that is taking place now, so no, that's not the same discussion.

Well then. Carry on.

the @arielxpink erasure from the albums of the decade list gets funnier the more I think about it pic.twitter.com/u4xfCmLIvw

— brentwurst 🌹 (@brentrockafella) October 10, 2019

Before Today got a 9??? That's ridiculous.

I don't think I've ever heard an Ariel Pink song.

Lol, yeah, Ariel Pink is a good one. Also, Benji. People really went 'yeah, that was a bad idea, sorry for encouraging him'.

I like his early album 'Worn Copy' which was all done on a really cheap multitracker in his basement and really did sound like a lo-fi relic several years before the whole retro vaporwave craze blew up. Later he formed a band and started making 'proper music' and came out as a totally conceited incel dickhead and the magic was somewhat ruined

I liked Benji at the time but hadn't and still haven't heard a note by Kozelek outside of that. He also strikes me as a massive prick.
I really liked the Swans albums I bought in the 2010s and thought they were amazing live, but I can't listen to that band any more.

'The Doldrums' still a top 10 record of the century for me, probably, but Later he formed a band and started making 'proper music' and came out as a totally conceited incel dickhead and the magic was somewhat ruined this is completely otm. Woeful live performances also not helping.

Thread is good but FUCK "IMPORTANCE"

And tbh god help anybody who was listening to shite like Ariel Pod in the fust place

I don't have much to add to this thread yet but seeing the bloom come off of Random Access Memories fills me with so much joy

same

Do Discovery next pls.

Yeah ILX needs a thread for people to be iconclastic

Just one?

James Ferrro's Far Side Virtual hasn't appeared on anything as far as I can see

Random Access Memories was the weirdest damn thing, so many people who were unaware or barely aware of Daft Punk when they were A Thing suddenly being super into them a decade after the fact. I still have never sat and listened to the album all the way through but I'm certain I'm familiar with every song on it. Or was familiar before forgetting about the album completely until this revive.

I'm still seeing Random Access Memories feature a lot in these lists. Maybe not as high as once expected, but I'm not convinced people have done a complete u-turn on it yet.

I feel like as we went into the decade Hot Chip were still a huge deal critically, but I haven't seen them pop up in a single list. In Our Heads or One Life Stand deserve a place IMO. They're both aging better than This Is Happening which I'm surprised to see is still rated so highly. No sign of American Dream though.

Yeah the world needs more shitty Elvis Costello faux dance acts

Haha, I'll always have a soft spot for them.

Check out Daft Punk's new single "Get Lucky" if you get the chance. Sound of the summer.

— twitch.tv/Limmy (@DaftLimmy) October 18, 2019

One thing that Ariel Pink and Daft Punk have in common is the acclaim for those records was at least partially retroactive acclaim for their work/influence in the previous decade.

Random Access Memories was the weirdest damn thing, so many people who were unaware or barely aware of Daft Punk when they were A Thing suddenly being super into them a decade after the fact.

Daft Punk were in a pretty unique position, not only did they have that 2007 live album/tour which made them seem better than they actually were but there were also a lot of popular new EDM acts like Justice & Skrillex that were citing Daft Punk as a major influence. they seemed relevant in a way that say, The Prodigy or Underworld or even The Chemical Brothers really weren't anymore

Santigold seemed "critically important" for a minute but looking at the timeline it seems like the height of that was late 00s rather than 10s. So far everything I think of for this category turns out to be 00s, which I guess is a sign of aging and how fast time passes.

Critics are wrong more often than not when they try to pick *NEW IMPORTANT ARTISTS* imo, because the hallmarks of importance don't have much to do with what's good.

was at least partially retroactive acclaim for their work/influence in the previous decade

If Daft Punk and Ariel Pink have this in common then so does anyone

The only thing they have in common for me is that two third of their output this decade I have no desire to listen to again but the other half remains good to great

FTR
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I will be shocked if Get Lucky is this summer's song -- it sounds like a cover of itself by a really tight wedding band.

― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:57 AM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I just realized this record reminds me a lot of the first Lionel Richie record, and I don't think it compares favorably.

― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Sunday, June 2, 2013 4:16 PM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

but the other half remains good to great

other third!

Was 'One More Time' not a huge huge hit in the US? Seems like that was the big mainstream crossover household name choooon that broke them over here

Never liked it, and it actively put me off listening to Discovery for a long time

I think One More Time was a minor hit in the US -- I def remember hearing it, seeing it on MTV, but I don't think it was ubiquitous

yeah I remember seeing the video a few times but iirc people got sick of it pretty fast

"Harder Faster Better Stronger" was the big one, maybe cuz it was a bit more gimmicky while still being pretty great. I remember sites like YTMND & Ebaums using that tune a lot which in retrospect was not exactly insignificant

They've only got two worthwhile tracks: 'Da Funk' and 'Around the World'. Everything else is eminently disposable.

"One More Time" was a "oh I've heard this in a sporting arena"-style hit in the US; it only got to #61 on the charts.

The funny thing with Random Access Memories is that it's an explicit attack on the whole scene Daft Punk spawned, instead going back to 'real' music made with real musicians and based on real grooves, and with real singers like Pharrell. So it was a late reckoning of their influence, but combined with an attack on everything they'd made before.

I don't think it needs to be completely 'written out' of the music history, it's a good album with a lot of weird tracks, but it was definitely massively overrated in 2013. Or whenever.

There's loads of enervated Pitchorkish stuff from the early 10s that doesn't seem to have survived in reputation, most of what they were repping in 2011 barely gets talked about now.

In retrospect the 'watching the end of a party through smoke' torpid sadsack end of R&B won the battle for attention but the shine appears to have come off 'House of Balloons' in the interim, certainly compared to Frank Ocean etc.

My theory about the predictable but no less infuriating embrace of Ariel Pink in 2010: an abashed cop-a-feel toward acknowledging '70s pop was cool but still needing lo-fi incompetence to sell it.

The history of indie music in the 21st century in one sentence

They've only got two worthwhile tracks: 'Da Funk' and 'Around the World'. Everything else is eminently disposable.

nah, there's actually a bunch of great stuff on Human After All, plus "Rolling and Scratching" is A+

(although I do agree that they were never the Best House Group In The World)

xp to Fred - another part of that was the fact that the album was very meticulously produced and expertly engineered, the polar opposite of the heavily brickwalled & side-chained stuff on the charts full of blaring compressed synth noises. trends which Daft Punk helped usher in of course.

I still jam Daftendirekt all the time

I don't support Daft Punk revisionism, just RAM revisionism

Interesting thread, honestly. I’ve been less struck by “vanishing canon” and more caught up in a new “emo extremely matters” movement of the past five years, bands I skipped in the 2000s revealing themselves to be hugely popular/influential.

In terms of “vanishing canon” I’m still sore that Max Tundra/Blechdoms/Kid 606 (all 2000s, not 2010s) seemed to be erased from having any modern day resonance but nerds lose the game in the end I guess; still listen regularly to those records

I always assumed no one took Kid606 seriously even back in the day, but I guess that was mostly because of the ridiculous record and track titles.

I also think the emo thing is interesting bc it’s a scene I know nothing about. Though I just learned a couple days ago about the FACGCE tuning which I think is very cool & might be a window for me to explore that more

Kid606’s we love you mark bell thing from a few years back was pretty good, chill detroit-y, electro-y stuff

I still rather enjoy role model by Cex

In terms of “vanishing canon” I’m still sore that Max Tundra/Blechdoms/Kid 606 (all 2000s, not 2010s) seemed to be erased from having any modern day resonance but nerds lose the game in the end I guess; still listen regularly to those records

― kelis navidad (flamboyant goon tie included)

max tundra was really involved in last year's daphne and celeste record, and that one was great!

a decade ago in the middle of mp3 blogs & meticulous jaxon-style ilx threads i thought, like, everything wd be corrected by the passage of time, all these souljazz reissues & obscurities being uncovered ... now it feels like the opposite is happening, just completely awash in content

what was the name of that band that ripped off led zep that everyone was talking about like a year or two ago

Greta van fleet?

https://loudwire.com/greta-van-fleet-interview-breakout-artist-decade/

At the end of 2009 it looked like Girls was poised to be the next Big Indie Rock Thing, and judging by these decade lists that definitely didn't happen. I still rate Album very highly

well they broke up after their second album which was maybe even more acclaimed than the first and then the main guy went on to make some kinda strange solo albums

How is War on Drugs' stock these days?

boring

i’m so glad girls didn’t happen, one of the worst bands in recent memory. their second album is on the pfork decade list regardless though

Greta van fleet?

Are about to open for Metallica.

Damn surprised you hate Girls so much Brad. I kinda liked the first album, like Elvis Costello as performed by Jesse camp

Not sure which canon Greta Van Fleet is being written out of. One that includes Daughtry maybe

like Elvis Costello as performed by Jesse camp

ouch

At the end of 2009 it looked like Girls was poised to be the next Big Indie Rock Thing, and judging by these decade lists that definitely didn't happen. I still rate Album very highly

― Paul Ponzi

i thought they went on to form viet cong but it turns out i was thinking of women

i hate band names like those, transition or gtfo

possibly one to chalk up to sexism but I don't get a sense that st vincent or neko case or bjork are getting any end of decade attention. but maybe i just read the wrong stuff.

Can't speak for the other two artists, but the 2010s were not Neko's decade.

you're making my point! she released two solo albums, four with New Pornographers and one with kd lang and laura veirs!

Maybe I'm missing your point; but neither of the solo albums is that great (IMO), and the Case/Lang/Veirs album is good but not super notable? I'm a fan, but the 2000s were her big decade.

I think St Vincent definitely will get some end of decade recognition

well she's got 1 day left

Benji getting wiped is one.

Why is tUnE-yArDs getting blanked?

Who's building the canon?

This "I'm boiling down a decade into a mere ten albums" thing I've seen people doing lately is ... something. For casual music listeners, I can see it; for the more serious or pros, this must be an excruciating exercise.

(Though I guess if you're doing the "one LP for each year" maybe it's not so tortuous.)

Agree that Neko’s best output was the 00s. Blacklisted, Fox Confessor, Middle Cyclone + four classic New Pornographers albums.

Her 10s solo stuff is good but each album has bits that are just ok. I still believe she has more classic albums ahead of her though. New Pornos stuff is also mostly just good not great in the 10s, with the exception of Whiteout Conditions which is excellent.

I always liked War On Drugs! They sound like "Wilco, except good" to me

"Lust For Life" is an amazing song but I didn't really understand why people loved Girls so much beyond that. I got in an argument once about how "I wish I had a pizza and a bottle of wine" was a great lyric and I still maintain that it's a great lyric

I like them as background music in Argentine churrascerias and Spanish tapas joints and when colleagues make no grand claims for them: a solid minor band. Compare them Wire Train or something (or maybe CMJ or whoever made grand claims for Wire Train too?).

My jam on that first album was "Hellhole Ratrace"

what tame impala? that dude was talked about a lot at one point. haven't seen much action lately.

*what about

New album in a couple months iirc

maybe that will remind everyone of the previous hype*. . . but not soon enough to make the end of decade lists.

(*hype i never understood, tbh.)

to me, the early part of the decade was characterized by following a lot of bedroom pop that I don't see super heavily represented in these lists, but felt like they were talked/blogged about a lot. I get it; a lot of it hasn't aged the best and is mostly a genre where a lot of those artists cut their teeth rather than make their best stuff, but I still find a lot of that stuff to be charmingly economical but serious songwriting. a lot of the buzzy guitar bands are also less represented than I thought they'd be but I wouldn't say written out (cymbals eat guitars, cloud nothings, that kind of thing)