Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Also not for nothing but Lennon is definitely the poster child for sanctimonious boomers who sincerely and genuinely believed that their generation was SAVING THE WORLD, and given that the Boomers are now seen as the fount of all human evil (despite the insistence of certain of their number that they didn't start the fire) it's not surprising to me that his stock has dropped.

the sanctimonious boomers consistently overlook Lennon's ironic, tergiversating, self-corrective spirit.

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

They do! And Lennon, having been dead since 1980, doesn't get to speak for himself anymore... all people hear of him is through boomer gatekeepers. Yeah, I'm not surprised his stock has dropped!

"Tergiversating" is a great word. Thanks for introducing me to it.

he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side

Hmm. He more than anyone seemed to have bought into the Peace/Love movement, whereas Dylan was the one who looked down on it.

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

"Irish Blood, English Heart"

Shudders

very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.

― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 8:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kind of aggressive to suddenly call out various ilxors in the middle of a discussion about Lennon

On another note: The Blur vs Oasis Britpoop chart battle started this very day. Here’s an article explaining it:

https://www.nme.com/features/blur-and-oasis-big-britpop-chart-battle-the-definitive-story-of-what-really-happened-757277

And here’s another one to reminds us why it’s stock went dead:

https://thequietus.com/articles/15092-blur-parklife-anniversary-review

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

Orgasms were being faked all over the place, as well. Looking back, Britpop is almost unique among those musical trends which lasted half a decade or more, in that you couldn't fill a Nuggets-type compilation with genuinely good tracks. Trying to find twenty memorable singles from twenty different Britpop bands, you'd end up on the very fringes of what anybody ever meant by "Britpop": 'Get Yourself Together' by Velocette? Possibly. 'CF Kane' by Delicatessen? No, no, they were something else. And these differences matter, as much as any of this rubbish matters.

I kind of disagree with this assessment even though I think Britpop deserved to die. Surely there’s at least 20 tracks from the Britpop era worthy of praise. There has to be.

Also if you’re gonna engage in Boomer bashing, you have to play by the rules of the dumb thing, you can’t pretend someone born in 1940 is a Boomer. Just make yr generalizations about “old people”

xp I took that as a challenge and made a 3-CD Britpop Nugblgets compilation

Ok looking at this thread:

POX - Britpop

The writer on that piece may be right, there’s some pretty shameful songs in there, the ones that can actually be considered britpop at least.

Xpost: can you please share it?

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

"Irish Blood, English Heart"

― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.),

which was which?

xp blog posts here

https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/20/britpop-nuggets-part-one-some-people-are-born-to-dance/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/28/britpop-nuggets-part-two-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-tolerate-northern-uproar/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/10/22/britpop-nuggets-part-three-long-live-the-uk-music-scene/

can I share the mediafire link?

Oh those look great! And there’s some reasonably obscure stuff in there in line with the Nuggets compilation. Good job on those ones! I need to listen to several of those as I don’t think I’ve even heard them or remember them clearly.

I thought Denim - middle of the road was a 70’s song! Spotify even has it in a comp that says “70’s rock”.

Yeah, they look pretty good. I’m sure there’s some dreck in there, but as an overview looks worth investigating, good write up too.

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:21 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well i mean there are like tons of ppl i know whose parents have had their brains poisoned by fox news, incl. dudes who were union dem blue collar dudes in their working lives so i think these traumas might be informing the lennon takes

he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.

this doesn't seem at all supported by the evidence, cite examples where Lennon did this kind of thing plz

lol Lennon as a Slate writer

well i mean there are like tons of ppl i know whose parents have had their brains poisoned by fox news, incl. dudes who were union dem blue collar dudes in their working lives so i think these traumas might be informing the lennon takes

I think we can safely assume Elvis would pretty much be Kid Rock x1000 on social media

jerry lee lewis doesn't post anything political on twitter except "god bless our veterans"

probably trying to keep his head down in case people notice he murdered one of his wives

hot take: ppl "poisoned" by Fox were already idiotic assholes to begin with

probably trying to keep his head down in case people notice he murdered one of his wives

I thought it was two.

“Whole lotta shankin’ goin’ on”

this doesn't seem at all supported by the evidence, cite examples where Lennon did this kind of thing plz

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:15 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean Im not super invested in this beyond that its a silly fun thing to think abt but I cant be the first person in history to think that Lennon seemed like he sometimes enjoyed feeling like the smartest person in the room, doesnt seem like the wildest stretch to imagine that he would get more challopsy as he aged.

I don't think enjoying feeling like the smartest person in the room = holding challops, that's a weird leap

knee jerk contrarianism is a substitute for actually being the smartest person in the room for those who definitely aren't. it's a way to get some attention for your opinion even when it's obviously completely wrong

ha – I never got the sense that Lennon lorded over people; he was a sardonic and often mean fucker, but he genuinely liked it when someone, whether Paul or George or Yoko or Nilsson, responded to him in kind.

yeah he liked being challenged

i am enjoying imagining a 75 year old john lennon appearing on joe rogan and talking about ancient aliens and i wont let ppl who know more about john lennon than me take that away from me

Xxpost
You forgot Ringo !

the if-lennon-had-lived turn this thread took is huge, and while much is wild speculation he definitely would have been the first beatle on joe rogan

Challop: Lennon on Joe Rogan would be good not bad.

Screw that, he'd record his own podcast in the Dakota

DGAF with John Lennon (it's a podcast)

Well, Ringo turned into a grumpy miserable old git and George was already there so maybe John would have gone for the hat trick.

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

Also if you’re gonna engage in Boomer bashing, you have to play by the rules of the dumb thing, you can’t pretend someone born in 1940 is a Boomer. Just make yr generalizations about “old people”

― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp)

i mean, shit, you want to hear about how much i've changed between 40 and 43?

and i did specifically mention that his boomer status is questionable, for me i don't know he's close enough

Well, Ringo turned into a grumpy miserable old git and George was already there so maybe John would have gone for the hat trick.

― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Thursday, August 15, 2019

tbf George was a miserable old git in 1964 and had turned it into low key comedy gold for the next three decades.

to talk about something other than john lennon i was thinking yesterday about how i've come to re-evaluate the "anonymous" weirdos, people like the residents and jandek. when i was younger they seemed like the ne plus ultra of disturbed and bizarre music. now, i don't know, they just seem like sweet old eccentrics. again a lot of that is probably grading on a curve against other boomers (i'm hesitant about just going with "old people" because i sort of am "old people"), but i do genuinely get the impression charles bobuck was a sweet and likeable person.

tbf George was a miserable old git in 1964 and had turned it into low key comedy gold for the next three decades.

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my general impression of george's personality is "oh yeah he was raised Catholic"

Imo 75 year old John would’ve taken the piss out of Paul’s hair, George as the “dark horse”, Ringo’s “peace and love” nonsense and himself esp. anything to do with peace or anything the media actually took him seriously or beyond music

I know earlier we discussed the idea of Zappa aging into a cranky facts and logic guy but imho Lennon would have been just as likely a candidate for that

to talk about something other than john lennon i was thinking yesterday about how i've come to re-evaluate the "anonymous" weirdos, people like the residents and jandek. when i was younger they seemed like the ne plus ultra of disturbed and bizarre music. now, i don't know, they just seem like sweet old eccentrics. again a lot of that is probably grading on a curve against other boomers (i'm hesitant about just going with "old people" because i sort of am "old people"), but i do genuinely get the impression charles bobuck was a sweet and likeable person.

Yeah, I think such is an excellent example of how the ~internet~ has demystified music/musicians over the years. (it also didn't hurt/help that Jandek eventually emerged from the shadows and began to play shows!)

The Residents are one of those artists that I for no discernible good reason staunchly resist looking into. I have a vague idea of their schtick but I could never be bothered to pursue it.

What about Mayo Thompson? I finally got around to listening to him lately after hearing his name and reputed influences for seemingly forever and while his Corky's record seems amazing I read an interview w him in which he seems pretentious to the point of almost veering off into sociopathic territory? i dunno if that makes any sense. i guess some ppl's brains just work differently. he didn't seem sinister, rather just vaguely obnoxious?

Oh, and more to the point of the thread topic, it always amazes me how into eighties music "young" people are. I guess commentaries on the crunching and sandwiching of time effect have been done near to death (don't worry, I'm not hungry!) but it's as if people who grew up in the eighties were mad for big band music. Millenials and whatever the generation after them are supposed to be fucking love The Cure and New Order and Whitney Houston.