Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

If Bob Dylan had died in the early ‘80s, people today would probably theorize that he would have become a marginal, right-wing crank recluse (instead of a Nobel Prize winner who tours constantly).

Maybe, I’m just making an observation about the unreliability of these predictions.

If Billy Corgan had died in 1991, no one would imagine him with a bald head.

Remember all the old man bitching about space on Infidels tho.

imagine there's no Corgan, it's easy if you try

« Run for your life » is such a terrible song it almost prevents RS from being dud-free (but then there’s « What goes on »... or even « Michelle », for some !). And I don’t even talk about the lyrics.

Btw lolz about all this Beatles derailing when it was said upthread that nobody cared about the Beatles anymore in the 10s !

Well yeah but we’re ilxors, not people

I am clear evidence that nobody totally cares about the Beatles

Queen have left the Beatles in the dust in the 2010s. Never mind the spousal abuse let's blame Lennon's turgid solo career for his decline.

Re: Queen, wait for the Ringo movie to restart the fire (it might be titled « You’re 16, You’re beautiful (not legal) and You’re Mine »

how could it be anything besides "it don't come easy," shit writes itself

It’s weird that some people consider Lennon as experimental, the most experimental he ever got was through Yoko Ono tbh. If we consider their solo output McCartney was by far the most creative Beatle and the most eager to try new things.

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Yeah, Lennon was just a rocknroller at heart, (by taste and artistic/technical limitations). But when he did it good, it was amazingly good !

I've seen enough boomers who seemed OK somehow become truly awful human beings that I understand the impulse to suspect this about any dead boomer (or older, I guess, if you aren't counting him as a "boomer"). It's almost a form of emotional shielding - "well it's probably just as well this person I liked died when they did". But there's no evidence to make any judgments either way; at best we can talk about what Lennon did when he was alive, and one of the things he did when he was alive was to break the cycle of violence. This sort of genuine positive change is, in my observation, a rare thing, particularly considering that he was in a position where it wasn't required of him - if he'd kept beating women, or even just stopped beating women and stayed silent about it, people would have covered it up or made excuses for him as long as he was around, because, I don't know, Genius is Pain or something. Same goes for things like making fun of disabled people, which he also used to do extensively.

I still read posts by credulous fans who insist John and Yoko were about to divorce! To believe that they faked those Double Fantasy interviews, the sincerity of those songs, and that Yoko released Season of Glass and became the Keeper of the Lennono Flame, requires not just a world-historic cynicism but in acting abilities unsurpassed by Meryl Streep.

(With acknowledgements that fantasizing abt John Lennon's 21st century political opinions is a supremely ridiculous exercise)(& therefore ILX in its purest form) I totally buy him as turning into a Roganite weirdo, not bc of anything inherent to boomers or being caught up in conspiracy stuff but just bc he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.

he dissed Reagan in his last interview

Also not for nothing but Lennon is definitely the poster child for sanctimonious boomers who sincerely and genuinely believed that their generation was SAVING THE WORLD, and given that the Boomers are now seen as the fount of all human evil (despite the insistence of certain of their number that they didn't start the fire) it's not surprising to me that his stock has dropped.

the sanctimonious boomers consistently overlook Lennon's ironic, tergiversating, self-corrective spirit.

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

They do! And Lennon, having been dead since 1980, doesn't get to speak for himself anymore... all people hear of him is through boomer gatekeepers. Yeah, I'm not surprised his stock has dropped!

"Tergiversating" is a great word. Thanks for introducing me to it.

he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side

Hmm. He more than anyone seemed to have bought into the Peace/Love movement, whereas Dylan was the one who looked down on it.

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

"Irish Blood, English Heart"

Shudders

very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.

― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 8:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kind of aggressive to suddenly call out various ilxors in the middle of a discussion about Lennon

On another note: The Blur vs Oasis Britpoop chart battle started this very day. Here’s an article explaining it:

https://www.nme.com/features/blur-and-oasis-big-britpop-chart-battle-the-definitive-story-of-what-really-happened-757277

And here’s another one to reminds us why it’s stock went dead:

https://thequietus.com/articles/15092-blur-parklife-anniversary-review

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

Orgasms were being faked all over the place, as well. Looking back, Britpop is almost unique among those musical trends which lasted half a decade or more, in that you couldn't fill a Nuggets-type compilation with genuinely good tracks. Trying to find twenty memorable singles from twenty different Britpop bands, you'd end up on the very fringes of what anybody ever meant by "Britpop": 'Get Yourself Together' by Velocette? Possibly. 'CF Kane' by Delicatessen? No, no, they were something else. And these differences matter, as much as any of this rubbish matters.

I kind of disagree with this assessment even though I think Britpop deserved to die. Surely there’s at least 20 tracks from the Britpop era worthy of praise. There has to be.

Also if you’re gonna engage in Boomer bashing, you have to play by the rules of the dumb thing, you can’t pretend someone born in 1940 is a Boomer. Just make yr generalizations about “old people”

xp I took that as a challenge and made a 3-CD Britpop Nugblgets compilation

Ok looking at this thread:

POX - Britpop

The writer on that piece may be right, there’s some pretty shameful songs in there, the ones that can actually be considered britpop at least.

Xpost: can you please share it?

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

"Irish Blood, English Heart"

― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.),

which was which?

xp blog posts here

https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/20/britpop-nuggets-part-one-some-people-are-born-to-dance/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/28/britpop-nuggets-part-two-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-tolerate-northern-uproar/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/10/22/britpop-nuggets-part-three-long-live-the-uk-music-scene/

can I share the mediafire link?

Oh those look great! And there’s some reasonably obscure stuff in there in line with the Nuggets compilation. Good job on those ones! I need to listen to several of those as I don’t think I’ve even heard them or remember them clearly.

I thought Denim - middle of the road was a 70’s song! Spotify even has it in a comp that says “70’s rock”.

Yeah, they look pretty good. I’m sure there’s some dreck in there, but as an overview looks worth investigating, good write up too.

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:21 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well i mean there are like tons of ppl i know whose parents have had their brains poisoned by fox news, incl. dudes who were union dem blue collar dudes in their working lives so i think these traumas might be informing the lennon takes

he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.

this doesn't seem at all supported by the evidence, cite examples where Lennon did this kind of thing plz

lol Lennon as a Slate writer

well i mean there are like tons of ppl i know whose parents have had their brains poisoned by fox news, incl. dudes who were union dem blue collar dudes in their working lives so i think these traumas might be informing the lennon takes

I think we can safely assume Elvis would pretty much be Kid Rock x1000 on social media

jerry lee lewis doesn't post anything political on twitter except "god bless our veterans"

probably trying to keep his head down in case people notice he murdered one of his wives

hot take: ppl "poisoned" by Fox were already idiotic assholes to begin with

probably trying to keep his head down in case people notice he murdered one of his wives

I thought it was two.

“Whole lotta shankin’ goin’ on”

this doesn't seem at all supported by the evidence, cite examples where Lennon did this kind of thing plz

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:15 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean Im not super invested in this beyond that its a silly fun thing to think abt but I cant be the first person in history to think that Lennon seemed like he sometimes enjoyed feeling like the smartest person in the room, doesnt seem like the wildest stretch to imagine that he would get more challopsy as he aged.