Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Sinatra: stock up?

I think the Grateful Dead reassessment was in the last decade ya?

hard to tell bc it feels like something that's been happening forever & may not have even peaked

xxp Yeah, I feel like it's more the cachet of goth as a vibe that has become cool again? When I was in high school 15 years ago, we all thought goth was a bad joke (an allergic reaction to the 90s stuff, I reckon); but these days it seems like the cool kids are into black lipstick and the occult. I guess this ties into the larger 90s revival.

TS: early 80s Goth vs late 90s Goth

R.E.M. just barely cracked the top 40 of the more recent Pitchfork best of the 80s list, for instance.

and it (murmur) was #5 in the best of 80s list they published in 2002

I feel like trip hop, industrial, nu metal, emo, all have good claims on being due for a revival

i was going to suggest Billie Eilish has a bit of the goth to her which might cause a revival in some quarters but i think she's also influenced by a lot of the other music discussed here (not the Who)

triphop kind of already had it with chillwave

mudvayne is the band i always like to cite that started off as a proggier slipknot and turned into staind-esque post-grunge

Mudvayne's The End of All Things to Come was produced by David Bottrill (Tool, King Crimson) and was surprisingly prog and weird. I liked it a lot at the time.

the two p4k '80s lists are a somewhat direct way to look at changing tastes imo, though it also follows a philosophy change in p4k from being an indie music site to a site with a broader perspective. Below is the 2018 top 15 of the 80s.

15. Beastie Boys – Paul’s Boutique (#3 on 2002 list)
14. Pixies – Doolittle (#4)
13. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead (#6)
12. Joy Division – Closer (#10)
11. Eric B. & Rakim – Paid in Full (#52)
10. Sade – Diamond Life (NR)
9. The Cure – Disintegration (#38)
8. Janet Jackson – Control (NR)
7. Sonic Youth – Daydream Nation (#1)
6. Public Enemy – It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (#9)
5. Talking Heads – Remain In Light (#2)
4. Kate Bush – Hounds of Love (#92)
3. N.W.A. – Straight Outta Compton (#35)
2. Michael Jackson – Thriller (#27)
1. Prince and the Revolution – Purple Rain (#12)

Rage Against the Machine always stood apart from nu-metal even though they probably inspired most of it, and there's definitely been some critical reappraisal, but maybe not as much as I'd expect? Seems like they'd be a great band for right now.

― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 6:46 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah I definitely agree with this - I think of RATM as 'proto nu-metal' along with things like Machine Head, Sepultura circa Chaos AD/Roots, Fear Factory... FNM obviously, Biohazard maybe? This stuff was all very popular in my peer group when I first got into musuc - at the time I really liked Korn for the first two albums but I've tried revisiting them and it all just sounds bad.

and the albs that fell out of the 2002 top 15:

5. R.E.M. - Murmur (#39 in 2018)
7. Pixies - Surfer Rosa (#32)
8. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs (#42)
11. Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones (NR)
13. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace (#79)
14. Sonic Youth - Sister (NR)
15. XTC - Skylarking (#133)

The Fall's stock seems to have, well, fallen; they certainly didn't seem to gain any broader cultural glow from MES's death.

(Not that they were every a huge deal, but you heard about them a lot in the '90s)

I think that might in part be attributable to MES' documented history of spousal abuse

Run-DMC has, to our detriment, fallen, as had much golden age mid 80s hip hop


I feel like the Fall is pretty much exactly the same

xp I haven't heard of that, or Daltry's pro-Brexit stance, or J-Lo being given gifts meant for other artists, etc. Some of y'all read too much, lol

triphop kind of already had it with chillwave

― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:59 (sixteen minutes ago) link

Nah I mean some form of trip hop just always exists like now it would be hip hop beats to study to, I mean more a revival of the specific aesthetic touchpoints of that era

how many people still consider the 80s as the hiphop golden age?

not as many, is def mid 90s to early 00s

i think of peak korn as 'follow the leader' -> 'issues' i listened to the early stuff a bit to get an idea of how they evolved but i think of their commercial & creative peaks as being fairly synonymous ... sorry im a nu metal poptimist

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:40 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Absolute dogshit opinion

Korn will tear us apart

Sepultura circa Chaos AD/Roots, Fear Factory... FNM obviously, Biohazard maybe

I loved all of these at the time and bet a lot of it holds up, but most nu-metal proper is still aesthetically repellent to me (I don't even really like it when it's sampled for arty club tracks)

The first few times I tried listening to Who's Next, all I could to think to myself was 'they don't deserve this drummer'.

― pomenitul, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:32 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol

The Fall are a cult band with no real broad cultural appeal and MES is very nearly irredeemable as a human being, it doesn't really surprise me that they didn't get the same boost.

I just don't want any talking in my music, unless it's an alt-right cover of 'Institutionalized'.

As a superfan I agree, that's still quite a drop on the Pfork list

xp

Absolute dogshit opinion

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:20 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Going to argue “I liked korn when they were underground” abt a band that thrived mallcore era is actually the dogshit opinion

Beastie Boys definitely an example of even death not able to stop the critical decline.

Speaking of deaths, Tupac seems to have lost a fair bit of magic over the past decade.

Beck too, come to think of it.

(Except he's still alive.)

Speaking of deaths, Tupac seems to have lost a fair bit of magic over the past decade.

― Siegbran, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:33 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is 180 degrees wrong. Kendrick literally banked off Tupac to a Pulitzer

yeah I feel like Pac still resonates, both as music and just as an icon like Cobain, same w Biggie

Beck's still surprisingly huge. He's headlining sheds this summer (albeit over Cage The Elephant & Spoon), and most of his biggest Spotify tracks are from the last 7 or so years.

Huh, then I haven't been paying attention at all.

in retrospect Kid Rock's schtick was a little limited but he has a few moments ... I feel like he should have had more great songs before he turned country than he actually did

He was doing Hank Jr covers by 1993, but yeah, it felt like he could have gone one more album with rapping on it at the time he shifted completely. Now, it seems like a lucky escape.

MES is very nearly irredeemable as a human being

!?!

This is 180 degrees wrong. Kendrick literally banked off Tupac to a Pulitzer

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40)

Google seems to record only a fairly slow decline, but I'm not sure I'm 180 degrees wrong.

The guy w the last #1 rap album in the country posted a photo of pac on his ig stories the day it came out & he’s like 20 years old

Beck isn't quite this but this thread is a factor

that stage where you think they aren't popular anymore but are actually way more popular than they were when they had "buzz"

I don’t think google trends are good measures of critical appreciation

possible that his music has fallen a bit while his image/iconography has kept steady, if not increased

2pac has 10.4 mil monthly listeners on Spotify (and hip-hop streams better on apple music, so who knows what's going on over there)

I won't claim Google or Spotify stats paint the full picture or that I say anything with authority. Those charts are pretty cool, do we feel this one is accurate for example, in terms of relative popularity?

I think Hootie and the Blowfish were mentioned tangentially but there was recently a Jon Caramanica piece in the NY Times saying they were due for a reassessment.

MES is very nearly irredeemable as a human being

!?!

a bully, an employer who created consistently dangerous work conditions for his employees, a public spousal abuser

I wonder if R.E.M. suffered from Simpsons syndrome: the longer they went past their peak, the more their stock diminished, and that period is still relatively recent.

I agree with this -- and it feels like they never really "went away" (see the popular podcast, etc.). They're like uncool uncles always lurking in the background of a family gathering; you can't miss them because they never leave.

I also think even their "best" music ('80s/'90s) is really specific to its era in a way, and isn't likely to prove "timeless" or see a huge revival of interest. Same for an associated band like 10,000 Maniacs.

I think Hootie and the Blowfish were mentioned tangentially but there was recently a Jon Caramanica piece in the NY Times saying they were due for a reassessment.

I work at a ticket vendor and we've had a lot of orders for their tour — yesterday someone dropped $900 to see them. Ten years ago I'd have thought that by now, at best, they'd be doing some nostalgia tour with Deep Blue Something and Blessid Union of Souls at a casino. Must be Rucker's solo career?