Drake's career is rap's New Jersey
― President Keyes, Friday, 3 August 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
Ahah people trying to tag each new Drake release as a « New Jersey ». At some point they will be right, though !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 3 August 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
the fact that I've been wrong about this multiple times in the past only confirms how right I am now
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 August 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
the idea of a double album is just kinda anachronistic now (*deep thoughts*)
― brimstead, Friday, 3 August 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
Not really, albums are getting longer because of streaming. the new Frankie Cosmos album is 18 songs or something? so even if it's not a proper double album (over 80 minutes), they are getting longer for a practical rea$on.
― flappy bird, Friday, 3 August 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
yeah but i just mean calling something a double album when people don't buy discs anymore
― brimstead, Friday, 3 August 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
proper double album = it's on 2 discs
― brimstead, Friday, 3 August 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
should be called a Long Stream
― President Keyes, Friday, 3 August 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link
ew
the change would benefit my dick
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 3 August 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
(uh, for those unfamiliar POLE: My Dick's Double Full-Length Release by My Dick)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 3 August 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
that's the only great album of this century
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 August 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
18 song albums were common place in the CD era
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 August 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
xp otm
― sleeve, Friday, 3 August 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
I still buy CDs. It’s still the CD era! CDs rule, streaming dr00lz!
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Friday, 3 August 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
i buy friends' bands' CDs. But I don't have a CD player anywhere in my house or on my laptop.
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 August 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
So your car then! That’s where I crank it, 1990 style...
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Friday, 3 August 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
i live in nyc. no car.
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 August 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link
So apparently, it's still not Drake's "New Jersey" since he has 3 n°1s from Scorpion for now (and maybe more to come !) :
In 2015, “Hotline Bling” hovered at Number Two but failed to top the Hot 100, making it seem like Drake might never get his own Number One. That’s hard to remember in the wake of “One Dance,” “God’s Plan,” “Nice for What” and “In My Feelings,” emphatic multi-week chart-toppers.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/drakes-madison-square-garden-show-was-one-long-victory-lap-715419/
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:08 (five years ago) link
as was brought up in the thread regarding the Eagles sortation "surpassing" Michael Jackson as the best selling album of all time, the new way charts are calculated w. streaming, and the fact that artists like Drake, Migos etc are releasing these huge bloated albums to take advantage... and the fact that US Spotify was Drake: The App for like a week.... it's impossible to compare to the time when, say, Thank You came outalso New Jersey was HUGE, have I taught you nothing? you still aren't even getting he concept... we can speculate about New Jerseys now but they won't be revealed until years later...."The album was the follow-up to the band's third album, Slippery When Wet, and reached No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart in its second week of release after making its debut at No. 8. It remained at No. 1 for four consecutive weeks.[3] It produced five Billboard Hot 100top ten hits, the most top ten hits to date for any hard rock/glam metal album, including "Bad Medicine" and "I'll Be There for You", which both reached No. 1. The album was certified 7x Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America. The album also debuted at No. 1 in the UK and was the band's first UK No. 1 album. "
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:20 (five years ago) link
but Scorpion might not be a New JerseyDrake is resilient (for real)
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:28 (five years ago) link
Might be too early to say, but I feel like reputation will ultimately be a New Jersey.
― triggercut, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link
Hum yeah, the concept of New Jersey has always been a bit blurry !Anyway, I get what you mean about sales etc but I have a hard time thinking of an artist's biggest selling/most successful album (and, re: Scorpion, as far as I'm concerned, one of his best so far) as a New Jersey... but that's what a lot of the discussions on this thread have been about I guess !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
yeah honestly I think I was wrong about Scorpion, feels like too much genuine enthusiasm about itthe charts thing is really weird now it's hard to judgetriggercut - I was just about to type that about Reputation, that's probably the biggest contender right now
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:25 (five years ago) link
isn't Reputation more a flop than a NJ ?
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:28 (five years ago) link
oof no I'm wrong, it was the 2nd highest selling global album in 2017
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:31 (five years ago) link
I couldn't get into the album and didn't encounter it in the wild very much but it only got beat by Ed Sheeran in 2017 so yeah NJ
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:32 (five years ago) link
yeah Look What You Made Me Do wiki saysThe song broke a string of records, including the record for the most plays in a single day on Spotify. Commercially, "Look What You Made Me Do" has topped the charts in Australia, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Greece, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Lebanon, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Slovakia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. It has also received Platinum certifications in Australia, Canada, Italy, Sweden and the United States. It also received Diamond certification in Brazil.but yeah definitely didn't feel like an album that really had legs....
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:40 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Reputation does feel like a NJ.It seems even TS fans on ilx don't like it/discuss it a lot !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:49 (five years ago) link
Time will tell, but I wouldn’t bet against her.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
1989 fits better, having actual hits
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link
Btw, she’s a “free agent” at the moment, renegotiating her contract w/Big Machine; and part of their calculations around Tay’s demand for ownership of past albums is weighing her potential future success against the value of controlling her old catalog. So they’re trying to peer into the same crystal ball.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
so we might have finally found a way to monetize all the time spent on this board into consultancies
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:37 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean, in general, with very rare exceptions it's smarter to bet against a pop star, most careers generally have a trajectory...not that she's going to be like playing small clubs again or anything but the odds of staying a phenomenon are pretty small for the most part
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
Point taken... but this is probably why I’m not a gambling man, or label head (I’d go with my gut over logic)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
Katy Perry's Prism, on the other hand, with a few years' distance...
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
yeah I see no sign that in 2018 we'll look at 1989 and think, "Wow, here's when we knew the next album was going to be Keep the Faith."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, January 10, 2015 6:50 AM (three years ago)
(posting for no reason other than timeliness/relevance to current discussion)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
I think Swift's post-megastar career (whenever that kicks off) will probably resemble something like Madonna's or Springsteen's... though she also has the option of scaling back and going "rootsy" again, as an aesthetic strategy (as did Springsteen, in fact).
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
yeah a "return to country" move forswearing pop and all its empty promises would be a smart move, plus country audiences are more loyal in the long term
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
Do you think they would "take her back," though? I guess it depends on how she does it...
I could also see her occupying a kind of middle ground -- a mainstream singer-songwriter with appeal across various audiences (rock, adult-oriented pop, country)... a mode that isn't so popular anymore (at least at that level), but maybe she could pull off.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
Maybe scratch "country," as I guess you're either in that world, or out of it (i.e., played on country radio, or not); can't think of too many artists who have successfully straddled both rock and country worlds for long.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
she won song of the year at the 2017 cmas for something she wrote little big town's 'better man,' i suspect a comeback will be not impossible
― maura, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
Yeah, and she was just involved in this moderate hit for Sugarland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l25AL0BdD6w
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
(co-wrote & featured)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
oof no I'm wrong, it was the 2nd highest selling global album in 2017― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 8:31 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark
New Jersey was the 4th biggest album of 1989. Reputation could still be a New Jersey.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
You really can't know if something is a New Jersey until like 7-14 years later.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
Wow, Sugarland. I worked selling food/drink at one of their shows in 2010. The most brutal and openly racist crowd I've... ever been in proximity to. Horrible.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
I mean, there's Pink
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
“Every seven years, the cicadas shall return; and we shall judge whether another crop of artists has released their New Jersey.”
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
(xp to bsj)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link