Mulholland Drive - theories please.

I just saw a 35mm print of this and holy shit I never realized how clever and brilliant the sound editing is!!!

Yeah, I can't watch Lynch without the sound cranked. How many people have totally missed the monkey whispering 'Judy' in FWWM?

One of my favourite sound editing moments IIRC is prior to the scene where Betty meets her grandparents; A phone rings and the sound delays and lingers until a sublime music cue cuts in. It's hard to explain to do it justice, but it's profoundly moving.

I never got that they were her grandparents although I guess that you are right

Betty meets her grandparents?

no

Fuck I haven't seen this movie in a long time, I'm referring to the scene where she arrives in Los Angeles with the elderly couple. Guess I got confused

http://www.mulholland-drive.net/cast/elderly.htm

Yes it makes sense that the old couple are her grandparents of the whole first 2/3rds is a fever dream.

Diane and Betty are different characters tho

are they though, are they really

Lol

Betty's just Diane's dream self, surely.

They're old people there's no suggestion that they exist at all let alone grandparent anybody

xp - i figure they're two sides of the actress archetype, one innocent, the other fallen

I know that darragh but most people in dreams are real versions of people we think about often.

Real is a strange word to use there.

there's no suggestion that they exist at all

they obviously exist because they're in a paper bag & then get all huge

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Betty is the viewer as actor, Diane is the actor as actor. I'm the guy by the dumpster

idg why anyone would assume the grandparent relationship, it doesnt match up w anything they do or say onscreen. Unless one just assumes they're grandparents because of the age difference beteeen them and Diane/Betty. The other theories in Ross's link make more sense imo.

I've come around on lynch btw

I'm sure he's relieved

I thought they just met on the plane because she seems like one of those excruciatingly naive and eager ppl who wd just make friends with other nice ppl on a plane for no reason?

Also standard lynch trope of nicey-nicey white America feeling horribly creepy and staged

I'm coming over to this grandparents thing.

They didn't meet on the plane because the plane and the old people we see aren't real, they are a fever-dream. So the old people are likely to be people Diane thinks of often.

Now I have that suggested to me it makes little sense that they are just "old people" because they are likely to be people she knows well in her real past.

But everyone's roles in her fever dream are mixed up - so why would her actual grandparents be sn exception

And why would she be flying on a plane w her grandparents and then ditch them to go stay at her aunt's.

I don't think they're an exception, I just think that people turn up in your dreams that you're close to but not in the relationship you have them in in your daily life.

While her grandparents are not 100% confirmed, it's a possibility - and comes up in many interpretations of the movie. Another one here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/faq

It's Lynch - I think you can read it either way, his movies are good for that.

ok in the first 2h of the movie they're she met on the plane
in ✌️️"real life"✌️️ yeah idk they're prob her grandparents, w/e

I never bought the dream/real life distinction where this movie is concerned. I think it's about the interaction of Hollywood archetypes, powers & players (first 2/3) and the movie that eventually results (last 1/3).

i think this movie was about Oliver North

you do not

I never bought the dream/real life distinction where this movie is concerned.

there's literally a part where a character says "time to wake up" and everything is not dreamy anymore

yeah, but see above

not dreamy, still boring

i shouldn't say i reject the fantasy/dream vs. ugly reality interpretation. that story's obviously present & central. i don't think it's sufficient, and it bothers me that it's treated as the film's one and only meaning.

It kinda bothers me that it fits the film so well, though. I've come to prefer Inland Empire, which is much more open to multiple satisfying interpretations, imo.

still the most coherent thing I've read about tit: http://www.salon.com/2001/10/24/mulholland_drive_analysis/

obv it doesn't matter if The Parts Don't Fit Together considering the movie comprises connective material fleshing out a scrapped TV pilot.

mulholland drive is good, fuck the haters

Lost Highway is finally available to rent on Amazon instant video. I've been wanting to watch that movie for years, but it's never been available on streaming.

prepare to be disappointed

I really like it, but it has its flaws like any Lynch film.

It's near the bottom of the pile for me, just above Wild At Heart.

OTM Οὖτις, Lost Highway is the Lynch film that is guilty of everything idiots think all Lynch films are guilty of.

Lost Highway does a surprisingly good job of capturing the mood and tone of the 90s, for a work from a director that makes films that seem detached from any specific time period

went on a first date to lost highway when it was out in theaters, biiiiiiiiiiiig mistake

LH doesn't surpass its promising opening credits or Bill Pullman playing furious sax in that club. The rest is self-parody, down to Robert Blake in Dean Stockwell makeup.

stick with meshes of the afternoon, only 18 mins long -- it didn't need remaking