ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

After a short break, I was planning to start a thread on Psych-Prog 1968-69. I've discovered a lot of stuff from those years lately from research inspired by the poll. It could also be useful as a pre-poll campaigning thread. I do NOT volunteer to co-run a 60s poll though! ― Fastnbulbous, Friday, March 29, 2013

Better late than never!

Psych Prog 1968-72

heh dont think that 60s poll will ever happen now

stirmonster wants me to run the 60s version next year. yay or nay?

Yay. I'd hope that the end results would be a little different from the usual '60s lists.

it sure would if it was in the spirit of the 70s and 80s polls.
But we would need to decide on what gets included and excluded.

No beatles, no stones would be controversial but necessary (there was no stones or the who in the 70s poll)

Deciding on the parameters wouldnt be easy. I think if I did it it would need to be with input from stirmonster and us both making final decisions.
the 60s poll obviously couldnt just be "things that rock" like the other 2 polls.
Jazz, Modern Classical or whatever its called ,electronic or weird/avant garde or, soul would obviously get in again.

But it would not run til way into next year so there's plenty of time to worry about it.

All suggestions welcome though

Stirmonster is really keen on me doing it eventually and he loved the other 2 polls so much I'd like to run it for him.

The 80s poll was a specific vision I had that only really worked on that decade so this poll had to be modified and it became the
AKA 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll!

the 60s will need it's own.

Got any ideas turrican?

Have you seen the 80s poll results?
The ILM 1980s Anti-Rolling Stone Canon (FREE PUSSY RIOT) Rock Poll Results - ALBUMS! Top 20! ends today

Yeah, this is what I mean... who really needs to see yet another '60s list with Revolver or Pet Sounds at the top of it? At the same time, though, there's a hell of a lot of canonical '60s albums and it'd be silly to exclude them all. I've honestly no idea at the moment of how you could approach it without covering the same old ground, but it's something that I would like to see. Obviously, the ideal outcome would be to have a list with many non-canonical albums that also happen to be good.

I mean, it'd be really shit it the outcome basically looked like RYM's all-time best albums of the '60s or something.

*if

would be silly to ban early kinks albums because of their influence on the harder rock, but its the same with the stones and the who. Love influenced punk and folk-rock and folk-rock was allowed in the 70s poll.

The Beatles im sure people would argue deserve to be in for their experimentation. But we cant just have the usual results or its pointless.

Dont know if there has ever been a proper 60s poll though

We would need to exclude Beatles, Beach Boys, Rolling Stones wouldn't we?

It would be stupid to ban Velvets, Love, Crimson though.

and then it becomes arbitrary

No Dylan. That would piss people off

I'd be all up for excluding The Beatles from a '60s poll, but the thing is you'd need to find an approach for the poll that justifies their exclusion, else I can think of at least one or two folks on here that would piss and moan about it. Likewise with The Beach Boys.

I'm thinking maybe a general "non-canonical" approach might be the way to go, therefore Pet Sounds gets excluded but you're still able to vote for, say, Smiley Smile or Wild Honey. It'd exclude Beggars Banquet or Let It Bleed, but you'd still be able to vote for, say, Between The Buttons. It'd exclude The Beatles completely.

You wouldn't be able to vote for Forever Changes, but you'd be able to vote for Love etc.

Or you can allow psychedelic and art rock but not just rock. It's too hard to decide and that's prob why the poll never happened :)

of course the real fun was in the long roll out and noone really cared about the top 10 as they were more interested in discovering new to them albums or seeing their obscure faves make it.

Just take three 60s lists from magazines (Rolling Stone, Mojo, etc) and make whatever's in their top 100/200 results ineligible. That's a good way to exclude "canonical" albums without excluding artists entirely.

there was no stones or the who in the 70s poll

"Baba O'Riley" was my #1 in the tracks poll!

I think we made an exception for tracks poll as a compromise

Just take three 60s lists from magazines (Rolling Stone, Mojo, etc) and make whatever's in their top 100/200 results ineligible. That's a good way to exclude "canonical" albums without excluding artists entirely.

Wouldnt work for these type of polls. It's not meant to be just another 60 poll, its a certain kind of sound, a harder edged poll or full on experimental or soul/funk so it would be daft to exclude 'stand' or 'trout mask replica'

im thinking that under 'psych' we could allow that one stones album for instance and clearly forever changes has to be allowed.

nothings gonna happen for 6 months anyway so plenty of time to ponder it but all suggestions welcome

was it you JF who ran a decade poll that eliminated anything that had been in the previous poll? That worked but i feel its a different spirit of poll that I have in mind for this.

I think we would have to decide on 'genres' that are allowed first.

Also just ban the beatles, beach boys, rolling stones, dylan, van morrison just because.

love, kinks etc getting in the canon is actually fairly recent so i've no probs including either of those as early kinks = hard rockin and love = psych or folk rock.
Not banning VU or Beefheart as clearly they are very much in the spirit of the poll.

so yes when it comes down to it it will be completely arbitrary and down to mine and stirmonsters whims :)

i suppose their satanic majesties request could be allowed but sgt peppers can get to fuck!

im coming around to the idea of just banning rock albums that are both in mojo and rolling stone top 20s plus no beatles, beach boys, dylan at all

as someone said theres other VU or Love albums that ppl can vote for.

mojo and rolling stone dont seem to have any best albums of the 60s polls. Probably because most of the albums in their all-time polls come from the 60s anyway?

just ban all of these?

MOJO READERS: THE 100 GREATEST ALBUMS EVER MADE
January 1996 Edition

1. The Beatles - Revolver
2. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
3. The Beatles - Abbey Road
4. The Beatles - The Beatles
5. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
6. The Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
7. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
8. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main Street
9. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
10. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks
11. Love - Forever Changes
12. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
13. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground And Nico
14. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
17. Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
18. The Doors - The Doors Joni Mitchell - Blue
19. The Beatles - Rubber Soul

and anything else by the beatles?

I think Johnny Fever has the right idea, to tally up the records that usually make these lists and eliminate them completely. You don't have to eliminate entire band's discographies. Even The Beatles have Beatles For Sale.

its not meant to be a poll with each bands 2nd best records instead if their best.

the poll has to be a continuation of the spirit of the 70s and 80s versions of the poll.

Feels ridiculous to ban trout mask replica or velvet underground & nico in a poll that celebrates arty music

im sure stirmonster & I will work something out

If you're going to get rid of The Beatles or Pet Sounds or Forever Changes, you'd have to do the same with The Velvet Underground & Nico and Trout Mask Replica. Both of those are long-time staples of '60s lists!

Having just spoken to him he's up for being quite militant and ruthless with banning Beatles, Stones, Dylan.

and also banning the albums on that list above as it still allows votes for other great albums by Love, VU and Captain Beefheart.

We wont be banning any jazz acts for instance. Just the big rock albums and a few dominant bands.

so yeah those 3 will be gone, turrican

so nothing by The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Beach Boys & Bob Dylan.
and none of these albums

Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Love - Forever Changes
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground And Nico
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica

and these?

Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced?
The Doors - The Doors

I like every album we're not allowing btw so its not bias like it is when I try to ban 'Rush' :D

Oh yeah nothing by The Who I guess

what about just disqualifying all Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame recipients?

No way will The Zombies be banned though, that's obscure enough to stay

haha isnt everyone in the HOF by now?

Im not sure stirmonster is THAT militant

heh.. just a thought. you'd still have plenty of great weirdos like Monks/13th floor elevators/red krayola etc.

I'd like to think everyone would vote for those anyway within the spirit of the poll.

I think the best place to start is by deciding on which genres to allow in keeping with previous polls (AKA 1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll!) before eliminating individual acts within that.

Anything 'heavy' , 'punky' 'noisy' 'weird' 'Funk/soul', 'jazz', 'experimental' 'psychedelic' , 'prog'

Not trying to naysay but I think your 70s poll was p much perfect and any new decade polls will only serve to tarnish your legacy as a poster

lol 'legacy'

btw there would be a tracks poll so we wouldnt be so militant in that. Plus a tracks poll should be great for having lots of garage rock in it!

Looking forward to the poll. How are you going to handle Brill Building/girl group/Atlantic soul/Nuggets that most people know from comps and greatest hit collections that came out after the 60s?

fuck knows, lol. We can worry about that in 6 months when the poll happens I guess.

Anything soul or jazz will count. Garage rock will definitely count.

Most of the girl groups were more singles based right? That would make for an awesome tracks poll for sure.