metal poll
― buzza, Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill quality threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs oh wait
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
I like kaputt but lex is right, awarding the best album award to pj harvey would have been a chance to deliver a slap in the face to canonical indie rock
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
yes the indie rock domination of the ilm polls has gone on FAR too long
― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
the arguing about popular indie rock albums domination of ilm however
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
a million lols
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
Beyonce is #1 in our hearts.
― lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
in my defense, i've been on ilx for ten years and i've had to put up with all kinds of crazy shit from you crazy old ladies. so bite me.
and, to be honest, i only went on youtube to look up kaputt cuz i didn't know what it was. see, i was trying to LEARN. but then i got sidetracked by german kaputt-mania. i'll go back and check out destroyer songs. just to see what the hubbub is about.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
destroyer's kaputt....so damn good.
― omar little, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
Scott Seward Image Bombings/Threads, The Complete Guide To
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
scott,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVHr5T5HO2I
― omar little, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Scott is the best at youtube bombing imo
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
okay, this stuff isn't bad. i like the music. it's produced well. and i'm very picky about 80's retro stuff. most people are bad at it except for dance music people. i would definitely listen to this if it were all instrumental. the 20 minute thing is nice too. still wish i could find that stuff by ilm fave Studio on cd. i wouldn't know where to find it. i should check discogs. THOSE guys were amazing to me. this is way less amazing, but still okay. though it does kinda make me want to go listen to source material. but that's okay too. its a decent homage.
PJ's album was my favorite new record of the year.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
do i even do that that much anymore? when was the last time i even did that?
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i did go a little crazy at first but i think i got over it for the most part.
i forget how sensitive people are about destroyer. i remember that one legendary thread. hoo boy that thing is a doozy. for the longest time i couldn't tell if it was real or not! thought it was an elaborate prank.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know who/what Destroyer is, so Let England Shake is better
― eating a sausage as I type this (admrl), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
idgaf about any other destroyer album but that didn't stop be from realizing that kaputt was indeed the #1 album of 2011
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
gr80 you might take a listen to both Thief and Streethawk: A Seduction. They are very fucking good. I do not generally rep for much indie but that dude was on a tear for those two (tho they don't have the chill-vibe synth-wash that I suspect is a big part of kaputt's appeal for you but still I must speak up for those records, they're really good)
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Kaputt seems to have begin with a structure & feel idea and put all else afterward.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:27 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is true, but let england shake is similarly defined by a distinctive, unifying texture. hazy, abstract and seductive vs. bright, sharp and ringing. main difference is that PJ harvey pushes so much harder at and farther into the sound she's chosen.
listened to these back to back a couple times this morning, i can't say i don't understand the appeal of kaputt. perhaps as a product of its relatively limited ambition, it provides a very consistent and comfortable listen. it's soothing, quietly sexy and nothing really juts out to wreck the flow. i could see it "working" quite well in a number of contexts. let england shake is quite challenging by comparison and does have its ups and downs. "all and everyone" is a bit dull, for instance, and "england" gets on my nerves. it nevertheless strikes me as a vastly superior piece of work, overall. heartstopping songs, real political & artistic ambition, and a dramatically unusual sound palette (where kaputt mostly sound like bejar hanging out in his bathrobe, taking stoned tips from kurt vile & ariel pink).
i had LES in at #6 on my albums ballot, and in retrospect, i did it a serious injustice.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
xpost i checked out Rubies last week and was kinda feeling it-- will get to those two next, thanks for the pr0 tip
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
oh england oh america
― eating a sausage as I type this (admrl), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
I'm w/ gr80 in that kaputt is pure genius, destroyer's other stuff, eh, seems okay
― iatee, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
ok i'll listen to pj harvey as soon as i listen to the gucci tape that just dropped
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i mean that PJH takes this core sound/texture and shapes it, pushes at it, makes it do a bunch of different things. bejar is more content to let his sound be, to let it set the terms. neither approach is intrinsically superior, but i get a good deal more out of let england shake.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
destroyer, on this thread:
i took a walk and threw up in an english garden
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
I think Destroyer newcomers who are taken w. the new one should give Your Blues a go next.
― Simon H., Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
why are these two albums being compared?
― tylerw, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
ts: 'the laziest river' by destroyer vs. 'ride across the river' by dire straits
― mookieproof, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
I would like to remind ilm that I made a much better poll kaputt vs. sound of silver
― iatee, Sunday, 5 February 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
I had some conflicting feelings when listening to Let England Shake. As with Aerial a few years ago, the album felt a little rudderless to me. I think her writing is formally experimental, but experimentalism had previously been grounded in a modernist aesthetic and this is not. I needed to know what it WAS grounded in and what the purpose was of this experimentalism and abandonment of tradition.
I've begun to think of it as some kind of new classical music that succeeds, at least in this case, on the basis of its discipline!
― timellison, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
(Just to clarify, by "abandonment of tradition" I mean genre tradition. I don't think her music is very based in genre.)
― timellison, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
From the little I've heard the PJH rec dives inside traditionalism to rescue a 'radical' edge that has been seemingly lost, which is a tactic sometimes used by new classical composers, no? xp
I do need to hear this.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
i can't say i don't understand the appeal of kaputt. perhaps as a product of its relatively limited ambition, it provides a very consistent and comfortable listen. it's soothing, quietly sexy and nothing really juts out to wreck the flow. i could see it "working" quite well in a number of contexts.
FYI you are working with a really bad definition of "ambition" here.
― Tim F, Sunday, 5 February 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
kmt what definition of ambition could you possibly apply to that limited bitch dan bejar
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
that limited bitch
― ⚓ (gr8080), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
dan bejar is a musical genius who has been in a buch of band including destroyer, new pornographers, work with great talent like spancer krug... he has making music since 96. who is pj harvey?
― michael, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
:D
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
Regardless of what you think of destroyer, equating "smooth and sexy" (which I'm sure lex you would say doesn't apply in any event) with a lack of ambition is wrongheaded IMO.
It's the kind of thing that gets written about Sade:
i can't say i don't understand the appeal of love deluxe. perhaps as a product of its relatively limited ambition, it provides a very consistent and comfortable listen. it's soothing, quietly sexy and nothing really juts out to wreck the flow. i could see it "working" quite well in a number of contexts.
― Tim F, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
― Tim F, Sunday, February 5, 2012 2:55 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
uh, thanks for the tip, tim. you wanna provide a better one? to my mind, kaputt is an album of "relatively limited" artistic ambition. it works within its chosen palette of sounds and what the artist already knows he does well. it does not challenge itself, its aesthetic or its listener to any remarkable degree. this is not a bad thing. to the extent that the album is successful on its own terms, i'd call it a virtue. hence the "consistent and comfortable listen".
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
OMG you did not compare sade to destroyer
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
The Spancer Krug? Wow...
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
tim i think one day you might actually kill me
i cannot breathe right now
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
Except it doesn't sound at all like any previous Destroyer albums
― Moodles, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), maandag 6 februari 2012 0:26 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He, indeed, didn't.
― Flag post? I hardly knew her! (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't say that. i didn't directly equate the vibe of kaputt with a lack of ambition. i merely suggested that the former might be a product of the latter. crucial difference. fwiw, i'm equating ambition with artistic experimentation and rigor, self-challenge, and the willingness to push an aesthetic hard enough to see what happens at its outer reaches. but i'm not necessarily making a virtue of that sort of ambition, or a fault of its absence.
fwiw, i think that, in terms of the definition i'm using, the diamond life is a much more ambitious album than kaputt. its synthesis sounded instantaneously familiar, even nostalgic, in its moment, but it wasn't. sade created that sound out of whole cloth, and in terms of pop refinement, pushed the experiment a hell of a lot farther than destroyer. you know, imo...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
if only dan bejar had the ambition of paris hilton
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
if you are releasing music, you have ambitions imo
― crüt, Sunday, 5 February 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
no "softmachine", though.
― originoo b.i.g. bizkit (brimstead), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
and wow i was not aware that he did a single with Westbam ten years ago
― originoo b.i.g. bizkit (brimstead), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
i just ordered one. impulse buy! though to be honest i'd rather have it on CD.
― scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link
in honor of this thread i'm gonna listen to kompakt all summer.
― scott seward, Friday, 3 June 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link