ILX TOP 50 FILMS OF 2000-2004 BALLOTS/VOTING

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jb: all correct except for yi yi, which i expected to like but didn't. the other one in common = 25th hour.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

gear voted for irreversible 3 times - CHEATING! ALSO - PERVISH DUDE! every film on jaymc's ballot has titties or panties (but no raping - SORRY GEAR)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

jk i need to go to bed

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

1. The Good Thief (Jordan, 2002)
2. Kung Fu Hustle (Chow, 2004)
3. The Fog Of War (Morris, 2003)
4. Below (Twohy, 2002)
5. Gangs of New York (Scorsese, 2002)
6. Joint Security Area (Park, 2000)
7. Finisterre (Evans, 2003)
8. The Pianist (Polanski, 2002)
9. Infernal Affairs (Lau, Mak, 2002)
10. Shaun of the Dead (Wright, 2004)
11. Femme Fatale (De Palma, 2002)
12. High Fidelity (Frears, 2000)
13. Sexy Beast (Glazer, 2000)
14. Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)
15. Battle Royale (Fukasaku, 2000)

least faves:

Almost Famous
The Man Who Wasn't There
Charlie's Angels

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link

every film should have a protracted rape scene, amirite fellows

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:31 (eighteen years ago) link

haha we really should stop, esp since only ten people vote in these things

how funny would it have been if you really had voted for irreversible 3 times?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i think they rape jesus in the da vinci code or something

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Irreversible
2. Irreversible
3. High Plains Drifter
4. Irreversible
5. Straw Dogs
6. Straw Dogs
7. Irreversible
8. Straw Dogs
9. Irreversible
10. High Plains Drifter
11. High Plains Drifter
12. Irreversible
13. Straw Dogs
14. High Plains Drifter
15. Straw Dogs

― gear (gear), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

16. The Little Mermaid

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I won't reveal my vote, but I have no films in common with either Gear or Blount.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:45 (eighteen years ago) link

My vote's in. Two from Gear's and two from Blount's.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Tuomas' ballot

1 Vanilla Sky (Crowe, 2001)
2 Together (Moodysson, 2001)
3 The Million Dollar Hotel (Wenders, 2000)
4 Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
5 Amelie (Jeunet, 2001)
6 The Dreamers (Bertolucci, 2003)
7 Ichi The Killer (Miike, 2001)
8 Minority Report (Spielberg, 2002)
9 Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
10 Bend it Like Beckham (Chadha, 2002)
11 Man Without A Past (Kaurismaki, 2002)
12 The Village (Shyamalan, 2004)
13 Saddest Music in the World (Maddin, 2003)
14 Irreversible (Noe, 2002)
15 Napoleon Dynamite (Hess, 2004)

least fave
1 Spider (Cronenberg, 2002)
2 Spider-Man (Raimi, 2002)
3 Spider-Man 2 (Raimi, 2004)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

You got Amelie right.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas likes racist movies shockah

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

haha jkm that movie is some fascist confection though

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, in which part?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the part where it's a le pen wetdream

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

???

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean obv you don't have to agree with a film's politix to enjoy it or admire it but the whole 'it's morning in france' whitewash (literally) rightwing jizzing and such really got under my skin. plus that fucking gnome - guhhhhh.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas have you actually seen amelie? or just screencaps of tatou's nipslip?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I have seen it, but it's been a few years, and I have little idea what you're talking about. Would you care to elaborate a bit more?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

the movie's racist and rightwing as fuck, almost definitely the most conservative flick on the nod list (including the incredibles!), there's no mystery, it's sorta well known.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:29 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're going to just repeat saying it's racist without explaining why there's little point in this discussion.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

tuomas do a nexis search, 'amelie's racist' vs. 'no no it's just conservative' composed like 80% of the discussion of it at the time, it's maybe why it was rejected from cannes, i'm not gonna rehash every hackneyed thinkpiece about that fascist fluff from 2001 for you, esp if you're too fucking dense or racist to figure out on yr own.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't remember anything racist about Amelie - unless it's the 'no dark-skinned people in Paris at all' thing, uh. must rewatch.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean hey if you want to get off on a whites-only vision of france and rightwing wetdream that's fine, maybe sarkozy needs volunteers, it takes all kinds, but don't use faux-naivete and 'o gee, i never noticed and point it out all you like i'm not gonna notice kthxbye' as a lifevest, at least gear's upfront about his filmkinks.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess if there was no racist (sub)text to assume about anything you would surely cease to exist with immediate effect.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

(i'm not necessarily saying you're wrong here, but i'm not saying Jeunet is An Racist Lucifer either)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

First of all, Amelie has at least one North African character (Lucien), though I guess race plays no part in his role - which can be seen as a good or bad thing, depending on your view. Secondly, if lack of non-white characters is a sign of racism, then there are quite a lot of racist films in the world (possibly including your top two films, Blount). Thirdly, somehow I doubt Mathieu Kassovitz would've agreed to star in the film if he'd seen it or it's director as racist. Woody Allen always faces the charges that he doesn't include black characters in his films, but his answer is that he writes about the world he knows (the world of middle-class Jewish people, that is). I know exclusion is a big problem, but you also have to accept that not every movie can or needs to be about race.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Tuomas what have you got against spiders??

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ok the voice ran two pieces on amelie in 01, film comment one, all addressing in passing or in depth the le pen buzz. 'the adorable lil' racist confection hit from across the ocean' is practically how the film was marketed.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

yr right though, best to just bury yr head in the sand about it - worked out for france!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

so basically it's as racist as Notting Hill then.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

also no shit some of the films on my ballot might be rightwing or reactionary - I HAVE RUSSIAN ARK ON THERE FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU DUMASS.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, Lucien's boss in the film was North African too, right? Was it racist to portray them as street vendors? I dunno. Positive discrimination can be problematic too.

If you read that Film Comment article, it actually tackles the racism claims in quite a sensible way. Amélie is a fairy tale, not a socially conscious drama.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

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No, I was just trying to make the point that not dealing with race doesn't equate racist. Problematic, maybe, but not every film can deal with everything.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

birth of a nation was a fairytale, reagan's 'morning in america' ads were a fairytale. and amelie does deal with race. pointedly. but you're right, best not to think about art or what they say about the society that produces it. just consume consume consume! seen king kong yet?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay let me be more clear: not dealing with race can be racist, but it isn't always. And in some movies it's more problematic than in others. Take Changing Lanes, for example. It's a movie that from the outset seems to be about race and class, but in the end manages to sidestep these issues by making the conflict between the protagonists a personal one (Samuel Jackson's character has anger management problems, see) rather than one between a lower class black man and an upper class white man. In that film it's discourage to tackle these issues is far more problematic than in Amélie, because it's whole premise is exactly about racial and class stratification. Whereas Amélie is a fairy tale that deals with race by not dealing with it (though it doesn't exactly exclude it, as I pointed out), which can be viewed as problematic too, but I'd say less so. Which leads to my other point...

First of all, your comparison is totally unfair, but I think you know it. Secondly, of course you need to think about the society that produces art, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy certain pieces of art, like Amélie, nevertheless. Otherwise we'd need to throw out most of the films ever made, including 99% of Golden Age Hollywood movies. But I don't think you really disagree with me on this.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Was Grizzlyman nominated?

― Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I just added The Others and The Good Girl to the list of nominations, which I think is still open till the 21st.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuuuuuuck, I missed the nominations thread so one of my top3 movies isn't on there.... Can I be a real annoying bastard and just vote for it anyway, knowing I probably will be alone in voting for it?

― Jibé (Jibé), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The nominations thread is here:

ILX TOP 50 FILMS OF 2000-2004 NOMINATIONS THREAD

Don't really understand why the voting thread was started before the nominations closed, but maybe I missed a change of date. Erick?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I missed the racism too. As did just about everyone else on this board who watched it, it seems.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Personally, I thought it was a charming film. Had I been aware of its FASCIST CONNECTIONS I would have thought otherwise. But I don't think there actually were any.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

blunty likes some good movies despite the usual indie-saddo dismissal of High Fidelity's 'inauthenticity.' I SUSPECT HE IS TODD LOUISO.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I noted it was getting moved up, the '60s poll finished quick and nominations had just about dried up.

Late additions:
Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring (Kim ki-Duk, 2003)
The Others (Alejandro Amenábar, 2001)
The Good Girl (Miguel Arteta, 2002)

The Philipert movie was already nominated.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Erick.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

This is ridiculous. Reducing from 16 to 15 is like pulling out a tooth. Elf or Yi-Yi, Elf or Yi-Yi?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry Elf.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really like the 3 hated films part, mainly because I'm quite good at avoidinng things I'm unlikely to enjoy, so I'm sure there are loads of films on the list that I'd hate more than any of the ones I've seen. I suppose there's nothing to stop me voting for things I haven't seen.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Skipping 254 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I knew Apple must be to blame somehow.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I just remembered MARIA FULL OF GRACE... how wasn't that nominated?

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I pine.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Pollsters be lame.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Has this ended up in ILX poll purgatory? I was looking forward to seeing the results.

― musically (musically), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

stop bashing the ghostface album and ante up those results, woody!

― gear (gear), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope it is in purgatory! That way I can submit a ballot.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, go ahead and submit away. I promise to count these soon, but the beginning of baseball season and trying to figure out my taxes have taken precedence.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

No, honestly: how was MARIA FULL OF GRACE not nominated? It totally belongs in my top 10.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Sunday, 2 April 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Hello?

― Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

keep dreamin'

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

"Never give up! Never surrender!"

(Oh, shoot that's the '90s.)

― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I currently have no computer of my own and am trying to hold off until August or September, whenever the next iMac update comes along.

Will forward ballots to anyone willing to count them, though.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll do it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 June 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I was serious. E-mail me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 June 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

*whistles idly*

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 June 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

??????????????

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 11 September 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't see jaymc's offer. If he still wants, I'll forward the ballots to him.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I sent my ballot a few months ago; will be happy to oblige again.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i sent my ballot?

― gear (gear), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I have entirely changed all my opinions since this.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

So.....are we back on track?

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't see jaymc's offer. If he still wants, I'll forward the ballots to him.

Yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

man, i want to change my votes.

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

I have entirely changed all my opinions since this.

― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

No, honestly: how was MARIA FULL OF GRACE not nominated? It totally belongs in my top 10.
-- Tape Store (theducttapeme...), April 2nd, 2006 6:48 AM.

WTF was I thinking? And my list would be completely different if we redid this as I've now seen twice as many 2000-2004 films as I had when we did this. So, what's going on with this?

― Tape Store, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

It was counted and finished.

― milo z, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, right.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Results

― Alba, Sunday, 1 April 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

HA. I actually remember seeing the results.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/doh.jpg http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/exclaim.jpg

― Tape Store, Monday, 2 April 2007 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

(thanks everyone)

― Tape Store, Monday, 2 April 2007 05:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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