Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X

About time from a thread on these right

currently live: PS5 - the future of gaming show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuLci-lSeCo&feature=emb_logo

i'm guessing that anything with "project" in front of its name is a tech demo that will never be released as a game

1 more try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuLci-lSeCo

quite underwhelming so far

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xp strong disagree, this is one of the most impressive console launch/line ups I've ever seen

the one where you're the cat in robot blade runner world? the avatar/spirited away looking one... the lbw4 trailer with the go team music!

I'm just here for Spider-Man: Miles Morales

SOLAR ASH looks like Journey?

new hitman looks class

ok this fake animal crossing looks bad lol. but most everything else looking pretty good I thought!

oh! the trailer had a dark twist ending...

PS.. is it 5? I think we're on 5 now. PS5

OMG HZD2!!!

we knew that was coming tho

I mean yes, I knew they had a sequel planned, but I did not expect it to be part of the presentation and be a launch title.

i doubt its a launch title unless they announced it as such and i missed it

2021 at earliest I'd think.

The one game (Pragmata?) had a 2022 date

this was my favorite trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-v1BxSETvI
weenie hands

"talkin bout Bugsnax!"

Was that the Morty voice actor?

Doesn't sound like him to me. Was that the Yakko voice actor in the Hitman III trailer?

That Bugsnax song is a jam

I love it when songs sound like they're in another language but it turns out to be english.

Unless they announce some kinda Game Pass equivalent I'm not buying a new system for a good long while

https://www.engadget.com/control-ps5-xbox-series-x-154810298.html

This was inevitable. Probably won't be available for launch (DLC isn't even completely out yet) but I'm sure when it arrives in a "Bureau Director's Edition" of some sort it'll have the DLC and look gobstobbingly amazing with ray-tracing and hopefully a smoother frame rate.

Control is one of a very few acclaimed PS4 games I want to play but haven't bought to add to my vast backlog just yet, not least because I've heard questionable things about how it plays on non-pro PS4 (though of course other people say it's fine). But if it's being better optimized for PS5, and the changes/improvements/additions turn out to be significant, I guess that means it's going to have to wait a few years for me, unless there is a PS4 fire sale that drops it below, like, $10.

can I not just buy a cheap digital copy of control... and it will play better on PS5?

they haven't given details, but the hope is that they'll actually bump up the graphics and such to use the power of the new consoles
i'm saying this is one of the remasters that will actually be worth supporting? i hope

digital foundry put up an article on backwards compatibility on the series x:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-xbox-series-x-back-compat-is-transformative

PS5 BC in boost mode should give similar results

"Should" as in "they need to match it to stay competitive" or "is reasonably expected to"?

Reasonably expected. It feels like these new consoles are more massive spec bumps than architectural leaps

That said I'm a little jealous when I see PC footage of games like Avengers which don't even come close to a steady 30fps on the stock PS4. Slightly makes me want to upgrade. Or spend $1k+ and get a gaming/streaming PC. If I do upgrade to PS5, (to be charitable) unoptimized multi-platform games like Avengers and Control will be my first tests.

i assume PS5 BC will just run the game with the PS4 Pro graphics/resolution settings unless the dev tests and patches in a new performance profile

> "Should" as in "they need to match it to stay competitive" or "is reasonably expected to"?

the latter, it's hardware compatiblity

> i assume PS5 BC will just run the game with the PS4 Pro graphics/resolution settings unless the dev tests and patches in a new performance profile

that's what the legacy modes are for and no patches should be needed there except for the rare pathological case

boost mode should work like series x: games with unlocked framerates run better, games with dynamic resolution spend more time in higher res or lock to the max, etc.
this is where issues are likely to appear and patches might be needed to fix problems, for example, some games like dark souls 2 tie game code to framerate so the 60fps ps4 port initially had a bug where weapon durability wore down 2x faster

We can't believe we have to say this, but please do not blow vape smoke into your Xbox Series X.

— Xbox (@Xbox) November 11, 2020

Not hearing a no from Sony, though.

Brag if you snagged one today so I can seethe in jealousy

theres no games yet

but bugsknacks

thats on ps4 and pc

I miraculously scored a PS5 thru Best Buy online the other week. Picked it up tonight. It’s huge and absurd, but honestly sitting here looking at it with its lights on in the semi-dark I’m coming around to it aesthetically.

It’s a lot of things, but I like how it gives me Hopper’s Nighthawks vibes most of all.

Demon’s Souls remake is incredible so far, I’ll save that for another thread.

i don't think i've ever felt as much desire for violent retribution as i do for the painful death of scalpers at the moment

The late teens looking kid who processed my order in the pick up area asked me “Is this your first one?”

Apparently a good amount of people have rolled through openly bragging about how this is the 3rd, 4th, 5th one they’ve snagged. Fuck those assholes for real.

real q - why is this such a big deal rn? surely there are very few exclusives and few TVs that can even show off the improved gfx?

It honestly shouldn’t be a big thing right now. Unless you’re a Souls dork and are really excited for that Demon’s Souls remake. Which is me. And maybe 10% of the market.

People freak for a hyped product regardless of its immediate usefulness, particularly if it’s rare and status-y.

I never got a PS4, I want a new gen machine to catch up on stuff I've wanted to play for ages and maybe new stuff over the next few years, shd've known capitalism never comes thru when you want it to

I was also stoked on grabbing the PS5 because I have a grip of PS4 games on disc that I never completed because my optical drive shit the bed. Being able to play PS4 games on the PS5 (with graphical/performance upgrades!) is a big sell.

Reports seem to indicate the PS5 won’t be terribly hard to come by in a couple of months. Production’s ramped up hard.

Demon's Souls and Spider-Man MM is way better than most launch lineups I can think of tbh, and I hear the platformer that comes preinstalled is really fun

Also being able to play Hitman 3 with fancy graphics and no Epic games compatibility headache would be a draw for me

Looking forward to getting next gen, but first have to work through the big pile of Xbox One games in front of me.

making me feel like i should get an s but i have reached that weird point where more often than not i like the idea of playing games more than actually doing it

yeah i kinda want one now thanks to this thread, it seems like microsoft is finally getting the majority of the jp games i care about. falcom is the last holdout

So for the US, a new S seems to go for 380 (and WAY up) on amazon and the game pass is $120 a year? Wasn't there a leasing program at some point?

still exists, but it's a bad deal because Gamepass can usually be found on discount
for example the X can be leased at $839.76 for 24 months w/Gamepass included
might be better than scalping if you're desperate, i guess

i see the option for $600 as a lease with two years of play. but no one has it!

disc-free is a trap anyway

if anyone is getting gamepass for the first time it's worth looking into the $1 deal which is still working, you can get up to 3 years of Ulimate for relatively cheap that way
https://nerdburglars.net/hardwareguides/how-to-convert-xbox-live-gold-to-gamepass-ultimate/

Well apparently I scored one of these (PS5). I had just narrowly failed to get one via Best Buy thanks to one of those twitter accounts (got all the way to the final confirmation button click and it conked out), but a friend of a friend got through and apparently bought one just on general principle. Maybe he would have scalped it if none of his friends wanted it, but he sold it to me at cost.

Is there any good reason to want a ps5 over an xbox x? I mean other than for the exclusives. I've never had any iteration of the xbox but it seems to be way easier to find than the ps5 and I am thinking that the effort in tracking down a ps5 is probably not worth it over an xbox but maybe I'm missing something.

sounds like you want someone to tell you that the PS5 isn't worth it. well...
the xbox x has several things going for it, but if you're already in the Sony ecosystem..

- Xbox doesn't have Persona
- Xbox is an Xbox

They both are great. You can't really lose.

Putting aside availability, IMO the advantages of PS5:

• AAA first-party, single-player exclusives (as you say)
• Backwards compatibility with PS4
• Fancypants haptic feedback
• Less likely to buy the wrong version of the console

• Game pass
• Probably future-proofed against Activision/Blizzard content/exclusivity
• Has its own exclusives (Gears, Halo, Hellblade sequel, Forza)

lol whoops, forgot about MS owning Bethesda now.

Advantages of PS5:
-what if From Software releases another PS-exclusive in the future?

That's really all I can think of.

I guess another thing in favor of XB:

MS has way more money than Sony, so might continue to buy more and bigger developers.

They both are great. You can't really lose.

This is mostly what I am hoping for.

Thanks for the answers everybody. The last time I did some serious gaming was with a PS3. This new console is going to be mostly for my son anyway, though I do hope to be able to play a bit every once in a while.

I went for PS5 because I skipped the entire PS4 generation and want to upgrade to 4k for movies (of course, that means getting an HDR-compatible TV first). Multiplatform titles seem to be pretty much at parity most of the time now, not like the cursed PS3 years, and my PC is just old enough and just expensive/difficult enough to upgrade that I'm buying titles that would've been PC for me in the past without question (like Deathloop) on console instead, though of course this is the last Arkane title I'll be able to do this with since we don't really do antitrust enforcement in this country anymore :/

both consoles are practically the same hardware (excepting the cheapo S version of the xbox), so it only really matters if you care about any specific exclusive games on one side or the other

i posted this in the ps5 thread:

this is the ps5 thread and for people with a 4 the advantages of owning the 5 and getting substantial improvements on games they already own is undeniable but other than that it's hard to recommend it instead of the xbox series x: same price, better hardware, compatible with many games from og xbox and 360 (often with improvements), better pad and gamepass ultimate if you like subscription services

ultimately there's always the wildcard of niche japanese stuff and (with the exception of the 360) xbox consoles always do terribly there but more and more it seems that everything is multiplatform and if anything, the switch is the one to get for that given it's the dominant console in the region

are you sure it's the series x that you can find easily and not last gen's xbox one x? because if you're not invested in either platform xbox seems the best option this gen

it's definitely the x series x (such a dumb name), which as far as I can tell is available right now on amazon.ca (at retail price) and was available on bestbuy.ca last week, though sold out now.

Consider the Series S, btw. It cuts some corners on graphics but otherwise it performs quite well. If you aren't a graphics nerd you may not notice the difference.

still feel like no disc drive is a mistake

but otherwise yes, mostly agreed - xbox series x is a fine machine

elden ring on the series s runs perfectly and looks amazing on a big ass tv, no regrets abt not getting the x

If your son plays Fortnite, it's free on the PS but needs an online subscription on Xbox

forgot Sony carved out an exception for them

Is the one without the disc drive supposed to be any quieter? Because if so then that.

I have a series S and a PS5 and the Series S is definitely quieter. That’s not to say the PS5 is loud though.

All the noise that comes from my PS% is the disc drive, but it’s really not that loud.

https://www.polygon.com/23060294/xbox-streaming-device-samsung-tv-app

PS5s in stock and not immediately selling out in UK, what is this madness

had to settle down eventually. in time for new improved PS Plus too

Now about four hours and 14GB into a 114GB Halo Collection Xfinity download for Xbox One, "if you have a strong internet connection, you can stream your Xbox experience" is not thrilling me.

I decided to go with the Steam Deck as my next system. I love the Switch and I have a ton of steam games my 9 year old PC can't handle.

Well, despite my seriously considering getting an XBox upthread, my son decided he preferred a ps5 even if it means waiting a bit. To mild disbelief I somehow actually managed to purchase a ps5 earlier this week and it should arrive at my house today. I guess now I have to get some games.

I got a Sony email inviting me to a buying queue but the PS5 fever has passed and I ended up forgetting about it.

they're gonna need an exclusive jrpg to get me. seems unlikely given they keep laying off all their japan-side developers

I've gotten the email from Sony two or three times now, but only waited (and wasted my time) in line twice, pointlessly. The next time I got one I just said screw that, I'm not waiting in line for a remote *chance* to buy shit. Amazon, however, finally tweaked their system to thwart bots and resellers. Now if you want to buy a PS5, you have to click that you're interested and, once vetted, may one day get an invite to purchase that's good for a couple of days.

I don't know if I'm even that enthused but I ordered a ps5 today

if hot post-covid summer falls through, I've got my plan

Well, assuming my order is not cancelled for some arcane reason, I managed to snag a PS5 at a Target a few miles away. Got the bundle with Horizon Zero West, figuring that was one I planned to play eventually anyway. Order now processing. Assuming all goes well, first up may be ... Last of Us 2? I suspect I've got to make sure I have the emotional stores for that one first.

Congrats!

This chip shortage is crazy.

I do think it's nuts that almost two years after launch the system is still hard to come by, or at least not easy to get at retail (side note: the Xbox Series X is not nearly as scarce). But the PS5 scarcity is definitely also being driven (or at least potentiated) by second-hand scalpers, from whom you can buy a PS5 right now ... for $200 over retail. I can't tell if the modest measures that some retailers are taking to throttle scalpers are exploitation themselves. Like I said, I got mine at Target, which was kind of good luck, kind of planning, since I knew a restock was happening and happened to be checking the site at the right time. (I still had to drive 45 minutes, but that's a Chicago-problem; 45 minutes is 7 miles). But Walmart requires you to join their Walmart+ plan to even get a chance to purchase a PS5. Iirc it can at least be cancelled, but the Best Buy program you need to join for a shot will only give you a partial refund, and at $200 on top of the cost of the console, that's as bad as the scalpers. Gamestop seems to get it in stock a bunch, but only as part of big house bundles that pump the price up considerably. Amazon has a new invitation system, but despite going live several weeks ago afaict no one has received an invite yet, so no one really knows how that system works. I feel bad for the grandparents and other olds that have to deal with this stuff come holiday season.

I haven't set up the machine yet, but I'm a little surprised how many PS4 games I own *don't* have free upgrades to PS4. Spider-man requires you to buy Miles Morales to get Spider-Man Remastered. Ghost of Tsushima costs $20 to upgrade, I think. Control requires the purchase of the Ultimate Edition. Some of these and many of the other games I have, however, either have free upgrades or, like Elden Ring, reportedly run better in PS4 mode on PS5 than they do natively on PS5. No idea why.

FYI if you already started Control the save file does NOT transfer from the PS4 to PS5 versions, learned that the hard way

The Elden Ring performance thing comes from certain PS5 graphic effects making the engine not run at a consistent 60fps, i heard - sounds like something easily patchable at some point

Haven't started Control yet, had always been waiting for PS5 (but not patient enough to hold off on buying it when it was on sale for PS4). I figure I'll just wait for the ultimate edition to go on sale again before the end of the year and snag it then.

Control: Ultimate Edition is in the middle "Extra" tier of PS Plus fwiw

It's definitely intriguing, but I only saw maybe three or so other games on there right now that I want to play but don't own: Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, and Returnal. Demon's Souls and Returnal (the ones I want to play the least) are PS5 only and given their price could justify $15 a month, but if I wanted to I bet I could eventually get Miles on PS4 (with a free upgrade to PS5) for about the cost of a month of Extra, and the same goes for Control Ultimate (I already own the base version for PS4) when it goes on sale again. Granted, Sony can just keep adding things to PS Plus, and they will, and I'm sure things will leave PS Plus, too, but I go through games so slowly I think it would end up like many of the other streaming services I have, paying a premium just to have a ton of options I don't really take advantage of.

Ask and you shall receive: Control Ultimate just went on sale for $15, so I bought it and installed the free PS5 upgrade. I also bought the triple pack of Metro games, because why not? $15 for three games, and the third game is upgraded for PS5. People seem to like them, as far as shooters go. People love the latest Ratchet & Clank, too, which is on sale for $40, but as much as I enjoyed the last one I also thought it was kind of dumb, so I think I'll wait until it sinks to the magic $25 mark. Same with Demon's Souls and Miles Morales. It'll force me to focus on my backlog.