Can we unban Turrican and welcome him back to this board already?

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Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:17 (two weeks ago) link

No

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:18 (two weeks ago) link

i know this probably should go on ile but posted it the music side.

this board doesn't need less people, it needs more and i get why he was ban but it's time to welcome him back, imo.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:19 (two weeks ago) link

He's a duck

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:21 (two weeks ago) link

Dick

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:21 (two weeks ago) link

why is it time?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:26 (two weeks ago) link

Wow it feels like ages since I last FPed somebody

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:28 (two weeks ago) link

sorry, Noodle Vague.

this board seems a bit dead after our great 2000s decade polls. he has a unique prospective on things and usually beings great commentary. he did go over the line and get why he was banned but we need him more than what sour taste he left behind with some members.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:32 (two weeks ago) link

I didn't realize he was banned, thought he just took the hint.

jeanie bueller energy (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:33 (two weeks ago) link

it's not like he is a right wing bot or something. he IS one of us, weather you like it or not.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:35 (two weeks ago) link

One of the worst posters to ever post on ILX. Boring opinions which he would argue to the death. He has the unique honor of being the only poster I've ever FPed

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 02:59 (two weeks ago) link

Like someone who looked up to Geir.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:01 (two weeks ago) link

Huh, so that's why I haven't seen him around here lately. Why in particular was he banned? Did he do something that crossed the line or did people just eventually just get tired of his obnoxiousness?

Even if he got unbanned, would he even want to come back though?

josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

let him back in

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

If you want someone to tell you why your opinion was wrong, Turrican is your man. That album you thought was your favorite: not your favorite.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:04 (two weeks ago) link

i don't really care that his opinions were bad but he was unpleasant and low-effort enough with them to make things revolve around him to an obnoxious degree, and that's not getting into when he crossed the line into bizarre personal attacks and was finally banned (here: Radiohead - Pablo Honey POLL for reference)

ufo, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:05 (two weeks ago) link

no, FPing anyone on this thread saying otherwise

Book Doula (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:06 (two weeks ago) link

He doesn't seem like somebody who'll get the message from the seriously difficult achievement of getting double 51ed, but to be fair to the lad like most ILX bogeymen some people will always be looking to take offence, whether he's trying to be rude or not. He does have generally ropey controps tho.

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:08 (two weeks ago) link

here’s how i feel: no

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:09 (two weeks ago) link

Actually he was really shitty to Brad tho, nearly forgot about that.

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:09 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i don't really think bringing offboard stuff into a stupid fucking radiohead argument is a commutable offense

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:10 (two weeks ago) link

Wasn't there a "researching your life" element to it? Which has always been a bannable thing on ILX, no 51 required.

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:12 (two weeks ago) link

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:13 (two weeks ago) link

See how I cunningly snuck in a reference to the greatest album of the 1980s there as a moving tribute to the departed.

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:14 (two weeks ago) link

He crossed lines that shouldnt be crossed imo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:15 (two weeks ago) link

haha xp

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:15 (two weeks ago) link

who?

j., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:19 (two weeks ago) link

He got 51'd in Sept 2018, was unbanned a month later, and got 51'd all over again within 8 months. He's fine wherever he is imo.

WmC, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:24 (two weeks ago) link

i forgot about the Radiohead stuff, sorry Brad.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:28 (two weeks ago) link

the reason i brought it up is because he had been around for, i think, 12 plus years. he was a big part of this board and was different in those days. maybe reminiscing about days gone by, i don't know...

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:37 (two weeks ago) link

12 years is nothing

j., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:38 (two weeks ago) link

He crossed lines that shouldnt be crossed imo

Yeah, bringing personal lives and work into yr argument is beyond the pale.

Simon H., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:38 (two weeks ago) link

he was vile and should never be welcomed back imo

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:39 (two weeks ago) link

i forgot that he did that. i thought he was just combative because he had poor social skills. part of me wondered if he was slowly, imperceptibly getting better

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:43 (two weeks ago) link

it's an unfortunate truth that inflammatory / faux-naive / facile challop posts tend to prompt more responses from other users than thoughtful, carefully argued ones. Engaging in the former alone isn't enough to have someone banned, but accepting the proposition that we should welcome turrican back b/c he starts longer conversations would be indulging in our own collective worst tendencies as well as excusing his.

Tim F, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

imperceptibly is right xp

WmC, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:50 (two weeks ago) link

he wasn't faux naive

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:51 (two weeks ago) link

He was legit naive?

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:52 (two weeks ago) link

yeah he wasn't a savvy, subtle thinker in my view

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:53 (two weeks ago) link

it's not like there were depths of sophistication he was concealing with his bad posts

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:54 (two weeks ago) link

however, i am not a turrican expert really

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 03:54 (two weeks ago) link

the reason i brought it up is because he had been around for, i think, 12 plus years. he was a big part of this board and was different in those days. maybe reminiscing about days gone by, i don't know...

i remember him being a relatively interesting poster a long time ago. in the last year or so i’ve gone into several music threads to contribute something, seen him trashing the thread just to scream his opinion at people, and left in despair.

12 plus years is roughly the same amount of time it took me to evolve from argumentative and sometimes belligerent to calm and respectful. can’t see an argument for going the other way tbh.

times 牛肉麵 (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 06:13 (two weeks ago) link

he needs to stay banned for tarnishing the memory of one of my favourite amiga games with his username

Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 06:28 (two weeks ago) link

he's an auto FP for me, please do not unban him

L'assie (Euler), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 07:59 (two weeks ago) link

however, i am not a turrican expert really

Which is why you want to let him back in.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 08:05 (two weeks ago) link

he had been around for, i think, 12 plus years

If he was it wasn't as Turrican and, even as Turrican, he didn't go into full obnoxious mode till the last few years.

In 12 years I give him credit for pointing out the resemblance between Bowie's "Weeping Wall" (I think?) and the Mothers of Invention's "Who Are the Brain Police", but that's about it.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 08:16 (two weeks ago) link

Here comes the story of Turrican
The man the authorities came to ban
For something that he never done
(Submitted a not terrible or tedious post)

vanjie wail (qiqing), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 08:25 (two weeks ago) link

Hi Bee - I'm speaking in a personal capacity here and not as the voice of the mods or anything but I don't see a particularly compelling reason to unban Turrican and several good reasons not to.

First up - it's quite an achievement to get yourself 51ed twice in a year in the current ILX climate. Even our most divisive or combative posters haven't managed that. There's clearly some strength of feeling there from the community. That in itself wouldn't be enough to earn a permanent or long term ban, but...

Researching ur life type ad hominem attacks have been a red line here for years, they're all over the rest of the Internet and we have good reasons not to want to enable them here. It's just creepy, particularly when you're resorting to them to win an argument over a 26 year old Radiohead album and attacking another poster's creative work in the progress.

Thirdly, Turrican has never shown himself to be an apologetic poster or one who has shown a great deal of self-reflection or humility over the years and no apology has been forthcoming here either. What reason is there to believe he'd behave differently this time round?

Also it's likely to really piss Brad off and I wouldn't want to lose him as a poster as he really *does* drive a lot of discussion and start a lot of threads, and generally in a positive and enthusiastic and non dickish manner. Leaving aside the fact that it's likely to upset him - if we're doing cold hard calculations based on the discursive value of the two posters them I'm sorry then it's not going to be Turrican who comes out the winner.

Also a word on that point about driving the discussion. I felt like Turrican's thread derailments regularly made ILM feel like a more belligerent, stupid and frankly boring place. And that's the sort of thing that drives good, valuable posters to just give up, and puts would-be posters off staying. Usually without any big statement or histrionics, they just quietly stop. And that's the sort of thing that really drains ILM of its vitality.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 09:04 (two weeks ago) link

he did go over the line and get why he was banned but we need him more than what sour taste he left behind

I don't think we need him at all tbf. He was tedious and went way over the line w/ Brad. Getting 51'd twice is quite an achievement these days. There's a reason he got himself kicked off the board.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 09:19 (two weeks ago) link

put me firmly in the 'turrican can happily remain fucked off' camp fwiw

Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 09:26 (two weeks ago) link

He owes Brad a proper apology. That would be the first hypothetical step.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 11:48 (two weeks ago) link

I would jokingly suggest he is confined to ILTMI (to continue the GG Allin metaphor) but he would probably be dully prescriptive about sex and bodily functions so no

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 11:48 (two weeks ago) link

prob uncharitable of me but after consciously interacting with him on this board for idk five years, i do not care to receive an apology from him

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 11:50 (two weeks ago) link

until the Brad stuff his most egregious crime was incurious rockism

Egregious according to which court? I think his worst crime pre-Brad was being a poor sport when we would c&p his posts into unrelated threads

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 11:56 (two weeks ago) link

the problem wasn't his opinions, it's that he would gridlock this entire board with his opinions

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 11:59 (two weeks ago) link

Fair enough, Brad. I'm just saying that in the absence of so much as a minimal gesture of good will towards you after his doxxological bullshit, I see no reason to reinstate his board privileges.

Incidentally, lj is right to point out that the tacit criminalization of rockism is an injustice but that is a different trial altogether.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:00 (two weeks ago) link

lot of people weighing in who have very limited turrican experience i see, guess we should unban him

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:02 (two weeks ago) link

Anyway, I think we can all agree that our little congregation needs new blood that the Elders may gorge upon it. I keep hoping that certain lurkers will finally come out of the woodwork.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:02 (two weeks ago) link

Failing that, the polyphonic proliferation of socks may just solve it.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:03 (two weeks ago) link

Turrers

Turri Can Buy Me Love

nashwan, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:04 (two weeks ago) link

I’d rather have doompatrol come back if we are re-enlisting controversial former posters

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:05 (two weeks ago) link

Honestly I would vote neb back in before Turrers fwiw

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:05 (two weeks ago) link

No idea who doompatrol is but if he's a doom dick metal gatekeeper, I'm all for it.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:05 (two weeks ago) link

Dick metal sounds interesting

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

Blimey, if mark s is correct in his assumption, his posting style makes so much sense to me now.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

Then cast your vote:

Uncut Magazine: Genre Exercises Poll

xp

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:08 (two weeks ago) link

pomenitul is a graceful and generous ambassador for real music played by real musicians and his presence here has further obviated the need for a contrarian voice as oafish and jarring as turrican's tbh, although I do wonder what he and Sund4r are cooking up on their francophone enclave

imago, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:08 (two weeks ago) link

Thx lj, although I also like fake music played by fake musicians.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:09 (two weeks ago) link

I know! All a matter of degrees of course

imago, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 12:12 (two weeks ago) link

Here I am
51 me like a Turrican

I'm scared my but won't fit in it. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:14 (two weeks ago) link

I felt like Turrican's thread derailments regularly made ILM feel like a more belligerent, stupid and frankly boring place. And that's the sort of thing that drives good, valuable posters to just give up, and puts would-be posters off staying. Usually without any big statement or histrionics, they just quietly stop.

I have to say, It is pretty nice to not have to avoid threads where Turrican is hanging out.

Also, what is FP'ing?

enochroot, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:16 (two weeks ago) link

We would also have accepted "sock me like a Turrican"

Anyway I feel a little skeevy trying somebody in absentia, even this nudnik, so now we have the mods's view and it's satisfactory I'm gonna shut my big mouth

😎

Joe Kulak 😎 (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:16 (two weeks ago) link

Also, what is FP'ing?

― enochroot,

Flagging a post as objectionable. If a poster gets FP'd by 51 different users within 6 months, they get a one month sitewide ban.

WmC, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:25 (two weeks ago) link

Turrican sucked and we are well rid of him.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:27 (two weeks ago) link

Although Turrican was useful to have on one's side during a McCartney album knife fight, he had no capacity for arguing on the internet. If I disagree with an opinion, I might counter it at most twice but eventually walk away from the discussion. This dude, in the most oafish and machista way, would insist that, no, you were wrong. I'm not sure of his age, but I reckon he never had internet lessons.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:33 (two weeks ago) link

i know the board is getting old and is going to die at some point, but unbanning old posters who were banned for very good reasons seems like a bit of a drastic move, not to mention unnecessary. if the goal is for more cheap heat that drives up the level of noise on the board, we could always just start another trump thread. or we could have an argument over whether or not turrican should be unbanned, that would work. but actually unbanning him? gods no.

tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

it will not die, it will be reborn as a discord server

imago, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:40 (two weeks ago) link

it will die, but many years from now it will train the ai of our least productive robots.

$1,000,000 or 1 bag of honeycrisp apples (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

lol

imago, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:50 (two weeks ago) link

Make turrican a mod imo

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:50 (two weeks ago) link

of Ask a Drunk

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:51 (two weeks ago) link

And the least of ye shall become the first

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:51 (two weeks ago) link

I can't believe the Aeon Flux board has posts from this year on it

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

I've known him for a very long time across various fan and music communities. I'd say going back 15+ years. He always ends up exiled. It's just a matter of time. He can be alright in private conversation, but something wicked sparks inside him on these forums.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:05 (two weeks ago) link

xp from the creator of Aeon Flux, no less!

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

It is possible to break the cycle, but...only if you're willing to listen I guess

imago, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

will the circle be unbroken
in the sweet ole by and by

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:14 (two weeks ago) link

I want to delete this thread so bad...

WmC, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

FWIW, I have specifically thought how much the R.E.M. Monster thread would be stunk up if he were still around

jeanie bueller energy (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

Does turrican have another outlet where he can talk about music? I always feel bad when these energetic posters get banned

treeship., Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:40 (two weeks ago) link

Deadspin

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:41 (two weeks ago) link

'energetic'

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:42 (two weeks ago) link

in all seriousness, shitty or not I think Turkey has been dunked on enough and it sounds like the decision's been made.

lock thread?

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

Lock thread and then blow it up.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

I always feel bad when these energetic posters get banned

there's all kinds of energy, and some of them give you cancer

Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:46 (two weeks ago) link

FWIW, I have specifically thought how much the R.E.M. Monster thread would be stunk up if he were still around

― jeanie bueller energy (morrisp), Wednesday, November 6, 2019

all flashing pulsars!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

The fact that (iirc) what Turrers said was borderline transphobic... yeah, that’s an actually legit criterion.

Is this true? I don't recall this.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

in before..

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 15:59 (two weeks ago) link

in all seriousness, shitty or not I think Turkey has been dunked on enough and it sounds like the decision's been made.

lock thread?

um, one more person would like to dunk, sorry. one last thing, responding to OP

FUCK NO

at home in the alternate future, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 16:24 (two weeks ago) link


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