London ILB - FAP?

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Me and bloke are going to be in London at the weekend. I'm mostly hanging out with my cooler younger brother, but would love to meet up for a pint either tomorrow night or Friday night. Anyone up for it?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Tomorrow night might be do-able. Do you know central London at all, 'monkey. I would suggest The Champion:;m=3;l=1191;c=1676;b=9045;ts=20040505172906

I am doing a phone interview at 6 - but should be there by 7.15 or so?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmm that link doesn't look right. It's on Wells St, north of Oxford St, anyway.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Gotcha. 7.15 sounds excellent. We will see you there.

You will know me easily. I am a large woman with glasses and long red hair, usually accompanied by a tall bloke with glasses.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I guess a lot of people have left work already and this thread will see more action tomorrow. I will certainly be there, though. Mikey? PF? etc? Maybe we should put a link on ILE, also.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Marvellous. I greatly look forward to waving my hands in front of my face and saying 'Jesus, people still smoke indoors here? It's like the Dark Ages or something'.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I shall try. I really ought to be painting the doorframe in the bathroom. Rock 'n' roll. I shall have to talk to my woman and see if I can get a leave of absense.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 6 May 2004 07:17 (sixteen years ago) link

accent monkey, there should be a few people coming now (myself included). Will be there 7ish. If you see a bloke with glasses in a blue shirt walking around peering expectantly at people, that'll be Mikey G.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Brilliant. Have drunk half a bottle of wine already in nice cafe on Titchfield St. Will see you later.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link

In that case, I'll be the blurry good looking guy in the blue shirt.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link

'Half a bottle of wine'

the finefox, Thursday, 6 May 2004 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry I couldn't come - not well at the moment.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 May 2004 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

L-R: Mikey G, Accentmonkey, Starry Sarah, Jerry the Nipper, Mark S, The Pinefox.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 7 May 2004 09:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Well look at that. You really do love books!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 7 May 2004 09:27 (sixteen years ago) link

We didn't say a word to each other. All night.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 7 May 2004 09:39 (sixteen years ago) link

L-R: Mikey G, Accentmonkey, Starry Sarah, Jerry the Nipper, Mark S, The Pinefox.

the Fox's nose is very distinctive.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 7 May 2004 11:26 (sixteen years ago) link

It was nice to meet Sarah's disembodied head.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 7 May 2004 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Yay!!!! What a great picture. Hope you guys had fun. And look at that, Mr.Sinker showed up for the festivities. The Pinefox is a wiley creature. Where's the rest of him?

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 May 2004 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link

L-R: ?, ?, Ian Sansom's "Ring Road", ?, Jonathan Coe's "The Rotters' Club".

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 7 May 2004 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Dammit! If there are any ILB ppl in VT, let me know and we can meet up, too.

Oh, it's just me? .. I thought as much.

Hey, did any drunks guys come over to your table, like, "Oy! Wot you prats doin' readin' in a bar?? You're all lucky you got so many pints in front of you or I'd kick everyone one of you asses!"

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 7 May 2004 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I fell asleep on the bus on the way home and missed my stop.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 7 May 2004 15:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I knew a girl from London who knew she'd fall asleep on the tube whenever she rode home from clubs/parties so she would hold a little card that said "Please wake me up at [whatever stop]."

And someone always woke her at the right stop.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link peeing on her.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 7 May 2004 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I hadn't imagined The Pinefox as a Jonathan Coe fan.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Not my copy, Martin. But I have read that book and I still think WACU! a really major achievement, as I must have said many a time.

The FAP was grand.

The Irish folk at the FAP were much keener on coemdy Irishness than the other Irish ilxors.

We discussed Donnybrook.

the bellefox, Saturday, 8 May 2004 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I agree on WACU - loaned a copy to a friend years ago, and have never had it back. I think I have indeed heard you say that before.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

The Irish folk at the FAP were much keener on coemdy Irishness than the other Irish ilxors.

they are TRAITORS!

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 8 May 2004 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah no, not traitors - been in London too long. Seduced....

David Nolan (David N.), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

This picture proves why mothers the world over warn their children - do not accept online invitations to "meet"! Pints will be left languishing as everyone reads a different book! It's criminal, and those to blame should be brought to justice.

aimurchie, Saturday, 8 May 2004 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Pints were not left languishing, I can assure you.

Books were.

the pintfox, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 11:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I still haven't made it home yet.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Me and Bloke just got home from ten days of being Up and In in Paris and London. It was lovely to see all the ILBeanies in the pub. It was great to see you all.

Have had lovely holidays. Now, back to the books.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 16 May 2004 12:12 (sixteen years ago) link

That was Pelham: Or Adventures of a Gentleman for me, and I believe that was also my copy of the Rotters Club being THUMBED by the PF.

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:20 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

ILB FAP: 2009 edition. I'd be fine for a drink any day next week Monday-Thursday.

As for pubs: maybe go for one along Borough High Street?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

Monday or Thursday would work for me, and Borough High St is A1 for me too.

woofwoofwoof, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 08:55 (eleven years ago) link

Thursday's best for me - working a 12 hour shift the other days. Borough High St always a good place to go for a drink.

GamalielRatsey, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 11:54 (eleven years ago) link

hey julio, im gonna be down in london next week so pl post details here - hope to come along

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 12:05 (eleven years ago) link

i don't live around london. tho i am heading up there for the weekend for the meltdown concerts and maaaay still be around monday/tuesdayish. can't say for sure, though.

thomp, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

hey Ward! This is good timing - hope to see you too. We'll keep details here.

thomp - Oops I knew about meltdown but didn't know if you were going to be around later that week.

Unless Gamaliel can make it Monday (doesn't look like it) I'd say next thur? Looking at the options how about this one just off the main street - Old King's head - but if you all have another option in mind then do tell.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 21:08 (eleven years ago) link

I'll revive thisILE thread now for casual ILB-ers (or otherwise) who might want to come along.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

Unless Gamaliel can make it Monday (doesn't look like it)

I really can't unfortunately. Awkward customer I know - the toad work. I will have an ILB FAP by myself on Thursday if it's not possible for others though, to make sure I pay my alcohol/reading duties.

GamalielRatsey, Thursday, 18 June 2009 07:06 (eleven years ago) link

That's not awkward at all! See you and everyone who can come next Thursday.

Should be at the Old King's from six-ish, I shall be reading and drinking if I don't see anyone.

I'll say which book on the day :-)

Might bother to do a 'Balkanized' ILX London FAP thread over at ILE on the day of the meet.

And thomp - if you're in London later this year etc let us know and we can arrange a FAP (although I might see you on Sunday, I guess?).

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 18 June 2009 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

Will def be along on Thursday, and will similarly post book-holding details (tho' Gamaliel and I can identify one another - we go back)

woofwoofwoof, Thursday, 18 June 2009 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

I might be back from Brighton in time for this FAP. Then again, come to think of it, I guess I don't know anyone who's going to it.

the pinefox, Thursday, 18 June 2009 23:52 (eleven years ago) link

Pinefox we have been in the same FAP several times. I think you also have talked to Ward Fowler.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 June 2009 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

bit odd how the board has an entirely different clientele to last time. feels a bit like housesitting.

but, yeah, see you sunday maybe. i'll be hanging around the bar reading the bantam edition of dhalgren, i should think.

thomp, Friday, 19 June 2009 22:48 (eleven years ago) link

New generation, innit?

I shall look for the Dhalgren (bantam ed.)

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 June 2009 09:25 (eleven years ago) link

did anything happen with this FAP?

it's nice to know that people think they've been at a FAP with me, but I doubt that I could walk into a bar and say 'hey, aren't you xyzzz__?' I don't think I can even pronounce it.

the pinefox, Monday, 22 June 2009 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

It's on Thursday. xyzzz is usually my last utterance of any evening in a pub.

GamalielRatsey, Monday, 22 June 2009 17:52 (eleven years ago) link

perhaps for somewhat perverse reasons, i quite enjoyed the lillian ross piece -- it's sent me back to brendan gill's "here at the new yorker". i will write reasons and perversity and gill and maybe ohagan up on the LRB thread when i am no longer ill, also ditto wordsworth's fun

(i am no longer ill today in the sense of being i think virus-free at last but i am still very tired and last night was the first thing close to a normal night's sleep since tuesday)

(i ahev not read the poems and think it quite unlikely i ever will, i feel bad about this habit but it is now decades embedded and i'm guessing unshakeable)

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2019 12:10 (one year ago) link

Mark yes it is fair to say that though O'Hagan is bad, the review is not unreadable and has a kind of fun element.

I suppose part of the irritation though is the patent obviousness with which O'H attached himself to a certain world that he admired, and then the way that he (often) writes about it - a kind of (non-comic) pastiche of the original; trying to be Didion, or whoever.

If you think of say a Paul Morley encountering a scene, he wouldn't write in a lame pastiche of its manner but would encounter it with his own style.

Unless it was for a book on rock press history in which case he wouldn't write it?

The poems really are bad.

the pinefox, Sunday, 7 July 2019 20:06 (one year ago) link

yes i don't disagree with that -- abt the attachment i mean. i haven't written this up yet bcz i've been apply for a job by telling the publication start-up i'm applying to that their underlying philosophy is probably bad (i have no idea what it is) and so they should feel bad

semi-unrelatedly i just sent the LRB a snarky email re LR and AO'H pointing out that what in fact transformed the unpleasant qualities he admires in her into tremendous journalism was the involvement in her work (or threat of involvement hovering behind it) of the new yorker's fact-checking department, at-that-time world-leading

(but expressed a lot more directly, in case lanchester is lurking)

mark s, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:22 (one year ago) link

written up here: Book Reviews? LRB vs the failing New York Review of Books vs ... ?

mark s, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:07 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Just wanted to float this idea...FAP on Dec 12th?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 November 2019 11:19 (ten months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 November 2019 11:20 (ten months ago) link

Bad idea I think - surely we'll either be out knocking on doors or getting home for 10pm exit polls?

the pinefox, Sunday, 1 December 2019 14:38 (ten months ago) link

i’ll be in f’ing australia *again* as i was for the f’ing referendum. actually i might be in the air on the way back tbh. i’ll be getting absolutely shitted on the plane i can tell you that.

Fizzles, Sunday, 1 December 2019 14:47 (ten months ago) link

Bad idea I think - surely we'll either be out knocking on doors or getting home for 10pm exit polls?

― the pinefox, Sunday, 1 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

The reason for this is I wanted to keep drinking through the exit polls and pretty much (for me at the least) all my door knocking will be done (might do it on the day but reckon I'll be ready for a drink by 7).

Also we did have an ILB FAP on the referendum back in 2016 lol

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 1 December 2019 15:48 (ten months ago) link

Hey, some of us are always in f'ing australia

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:18 (ten months ago) link

Hey, some of us are always in f'ing australia

― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:18 bookmarkflaglink

ah man tell me about it. thing is i just can't abide the place. everyone seems really rules obsessed, boorish sports masculinity, racist, vile and totally dysfunctional politics (yes i know), tolerates a load of shitty identity oppression in the name of 'plain speaking/straight talking'. fascism in paradise.

but i love the nature, the sense of interior - as close to a psychological space physically rendered as you can get, gerald murnane, adelaide cricket ground, the friends i have out there, you and your bloody books, james (i often think of this - FAP!), the sense of apac culture, sydney harbour as a geographical space etc.

Basically i just wish western man had never discovered it (i use 'man' advisedly - aus seems a supremely masculine culture).

Fizzles, Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:51 (ten months ago) link

an almost NZ obsession with fucking coffee. what lack are you making up for u c'ts.

Fizzles, Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:52 (ten months ago) link

As someone has said, we're a nation of narcs who like to think of ourselves as relaxed anti-authoritarians.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 9 December 2019 01:26 (ten months ago) link

well, i'm flying back now, but i've had a decent enough time swimming in the sea and the taste of ash in my mouth or walking round in a Sydney bonfire. I feel a bit repentant about my intemperate words. As usual here, the people I encounter professionally are impressive and likable, while the more social side is a bit rubbish, a reverse of my experience in the UK.

I'm besotted by Gerald Murnane - bought three of his books on Sunday, during which process, a woman stared, frozen at me, and said 'you've got a spider on your lip'. I also froze, and then she said 'It's gone down the inside of your shirt'. Cue something of a frightened untucking dance in the bookshop. I mean, I suspect the number of harmless spiders in Aus is the same as the UK, but equally there are some right little shits out here as well and fucked if I know the difference.

Fuck tho this country loves its coffees, cars, smashed avocado breakfasts and its dysfunctionally see-sawing relationship with alkyhol.

Fizzles, Thursday, 12 December 2019 04:48 (ten months ago) link

Am mildly regretting this not happening tonight (and now I have other plans, at least early evening plans). Good luck everyone.

Tim, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:14 (ten months ago) link

I'll be watching the Celtic v Cluj game then plan on getting blootered later.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:33 (ten months ago) link

Signed for crappy gym yoga class then drinking in a local with no TV. That's how I make my own luck.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:14 (ten months ago) link

Which local? Just a chance I might be able to swing by later.

Tim, Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:23 (ten months ago) link

Hiya in the half moon from about 9pm. Just planning to drink through the exit poll..

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 December 2019 20:17 (ten months ago) link

We’ll be there in a bit but don’t worry if you’re inclined to slink off.

Tim, Thursday, 12 December 2019 21:32 (ten months ago) link

Nah just here

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 December 2019 21:32 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

Shall we do this soon. First week of Feb?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:47 (nine months ago) link

sounds good to me :)

mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:47 (nine months ago) link

6th at the usual place.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:48 (nine months ago) link

of course getting there since TFL rerouted the 48 is now a minor chore (2 x buses instead of 1)

mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:50 (nine months ago) link

not good for me >:(

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 January 2020 17:01 (nine months ago) link

6th is ok for me. after that i seem to be travelling for work for the rest of my life so it may be the only slot for a while.

Fizzles, Friday, 24 January 2020 07:53 (nine months ago) link

6th looks OK for me too.

Tim, Friday, 24 January 2020 09:28 (nine months ago) link

Grand (Tom D we can schedule the next one and make sure you attend :))

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 January 2020 09:50 (nine months ago) link

Sounds good to me!

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 24 January 2020 10:04 (nine months ago) link

Yes I think I can make it.

the pinefox, Friday, 24 January 2020 11:04 (nine months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:31 (eight months ago) link

See you later.

Tim, Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:06 (eight months ago) link

The usual place = Royal Oak, Tabard street

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:12 (eight months ago) link

early-ish start and an early-ish finish for me. bloody meetings with ‘straya first thing in the morning.

Fizzles, Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:22 (eight months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:23 (eight months ago) link


thx comrade a.

Fizzles, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:34 (eight months ago) link

good to see everyone last night. DanielRF - this is the Jeremy Deller documentary I think you'll enjoy after reading the King.

on the question of which books have haunted you in the last year (well two years in this case), i was struggling - eric vuillard's order of the day, maybe, until woof reminded me of pierre michon – really good nyrb review of the translations and michon here.

Fizzles, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:19 (eight months ago) link


Daniel_Rf, Friday, 7 February 2020 22:22 (eight months ago) link

Non-standard I know but we're doing a little launch for the Mary Butts book I've done (and which some of you have seen) - it's a week today, Thursday 27th at the bookartsbookshop from 6.30 to 8 or so. likely pub after. It'd be lovely to see all or any of you. Gonna spam the London FAP thread with this too, so sorry about that.

Tim, Thursday, 20 February 2020 09:33 (eight months ago) link

Can't come sorry Tim. Hope this goes well!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:17 (eight months ago) link

Yes, I'm in Scotland.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:18 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

That Butts book looks wonderful. Can it be ordered online, assuming I have the dosh?

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 6 March 2020 01:45 (seven months ago) link

Just direct from me really - if you drop me a line on halfpintpress at gmail dot com I can give you the details.

Tim, Friday, 6 March 2020 06:14 (seven months ago) link

(Or my ilxmail works too I think)

(Special deals done for Ilxors)

Tim, Friday, 6 March 2020 09:27 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

It was at an ILB FAP that Tim Hopkins told me about Eley Williams.

Big Guardian interview:

I can't recall if Tim knows ms Williams, or just admires the work.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 08:27 (three months ago) link

I know Eley* a little - from what I know she is delightful. We collaborated on this: and I certainly admire the work. I am looking forward to the novel very much.

(*That's Dr. Williams, PF!)

Tim, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 10:59 (three months ago) link

I'm not too surprised it's Dr Williams, and I would always refer to someone by that title if aware of it, but in this instance I was not, at the time.

Now I know better, I observe that Dr Williams is technically a colleague, at the very federal University of London:

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 11:30 (three months ago) link

I click on the link and I recognize this kind of jar.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 11:31 (three months ago) link

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