Miguel Cabrera Needs His Own Thread

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Because the other guy who needed his own thread got one, and this guy’s been doing it for a long time now.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2013 15:13 (seven years ago) link

His kung fu is very strong.

WilliamC, Sunday, 30 June 2013 15:17 (seven years ago) link

Here's where Cabrera stands in relation to what are basically the best postwar hitters at basically the same stage in their careers. I tried to pick the guys who had all three slash-stats covered, so no Schmidt, Henderson, Brett, etc. (the '70s/80s are badly underrepresented). I wasn't ambitious enough to start looking into partial seasons and make the PA exactly the same, so I included the last season where each guy was closest to Cabrera's 6829 PA; going a little over, like Robinson and A-Rod, was okay.

               PA        HR       BA        SLG       OBP

Cabrera 6839 345 .321 .567 .398
DiMaggio 6585 317 .331 .589 .401
Musial 6754 227 .346 .579 .431
Mantle 6697 374 .308 .579 .425
Mays 6666 368 .315 .588 .390
Aaron 6582 342 .320 .572 .375
Robinson 7088 373 .304 .562 .391
Bonds 6713 334 .288 .548 .404
Griffey 6688 398 .299 .569 .380
Thomas 6799 344 .321 .579 .440
Ramirez 6575 390 .316 .599 .411
Rodriguez 7100 429 .307 .577 .385
Pujols 6782 408 .331 .624 .426

The window here encompasses some guys who were coming off their most celebrated seasons--Robinson's 1966, Mantle's '61 ('56/57 better, I know)—and decline set in for most of them, though not all. A-Rod's 2007 is not included, and Bonds' window closes with 199. He had a couple of good seasons after that.

Most HR: A-Rod (429)
Highest BA: Musial (.346)
Highest SLG: Pujols (.624)
Highest OBA: Thomas (.440)

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2013 15:20 (seven years ago) link

Should read: "Bonds' window closes with 1996." On a brighter note, I actually formatted a table correctly.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2013 15:22 (seven years ago) link

you do realize those numbers aren't park- or era-adjusted, clem? ;)

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 June 2013 15:30 (seven years ago) link

Oh, I know--just wanted to throw something together quickly. (Baseball Reference has that tool where you can easily isolate any part of a player's career.) I was going to say that, unadjusted, the best comps would seem to be DiMaggio, Aaron, and Robinson. The latter two, of course, put up half their numbers in the pitching-dominated '60s.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2013 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Not that anybody asked, but: I tend to group Williams in my mind with Ruth, Foxx, Gehrig, and Hornsby, so I left him out. Chronologically, he should be included. Williams, through 1954:

PA -- 7084
HR -- 366
BA -- .348
SLG -- .638
OBP -- .486

He takes all three slash categories.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2013 16:21 (seven years ago) link

yeah he was really mfing good

k3vin k., Sunday, 30 June 2013 16:27 (seven years ago) link

Realized I can let someone else do all the adjusting...Same players, same point in their careers, ranked by oWAR:

1. Williams: 93.2
2. Mantle: 83.0
3. Musial: 78.0
4. Rodriguez: 77.0
5. Mays: 75.6
6. Pujols: 69.6
7. Robinson: 68.0
8. Aaron: 67.3
9. DiMaggio: 65.7
10. Thomas: 65.1
11. Bonds: 64.4
12. Griffey: 63.6
13. Cabrera: 59.2
14. Ramirez: 56.1

I just wanted to compare a bunch of guys as pure hitters, so now, with baserunning and positional adjustment included, we're a little beyond what I intended (Rickey Henderson had accumulated 67.4 oWAR through his first 7198 PA). That aside, Williams is off on his own, there's a second tier of Mantle, Musial, A-Rod, and Mays, and then a third tier in the 60s. By the end of the year, Cabrera should reach the very bottom of the third tier.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2013 16:56 (seven years ago) link

I don't understand including Dimaggio but excluding Williams, but otherwise what I'm getting from this is that Cabrera is a really good hitter.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 1 July 2013 12:19 (seven years ago) link

I tried to explain the omission of Williams above, then realized he belonged anyway. After careful study, I've come to the same conclusion: he's a really good hitter.

Cabrera during his 15-game hitting streak: 7 homers, 13 RBI, .458/.522/.898.

clemenza, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:00 (seven years ago) link

i'm gonna see if i can do something similar, only using wRC+ and/or OPS+ instead

Z S, Monday, 1 July 2013 14:16 (seven years ago) link

Two guys who'd rank no matter how you do it would be Henderson and Schmidt. Then there are another dozen I left out who might fall in there somewhere: Brett, Edgar Martinez, Piazza, Walker, etc. I don't know about you, ZS, but when I undertake things like this, I either do it quickly and intuitively and live with omissions, or I end up obsessing and take forever.

clemenza, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:02 (seven years ago) link

I don't know about you, ZS, but when I undertake things like this, I either do it quickly and intuitively and live with omissions, or I end up obsessing and take forever.

my most common outcome seems to be to start, get stuck on a basic problem, and then quit!

it's easy enough to come up with a list of top wRC+ and set the minimum PAs to 6000, but i'm not sure how to easily generate that list for players at a certain point in their career (say, ~6800 PAs like Cabrera's currently at). it would be pretty easy to manually look it up, player by player, but then you run into the question of which players to include. you can look at the total career numbers to get an idea, of course. but i'm sure there are plenty of players who had outstanding wRC+ stats at 6800 PAs, and then ended their career on 4000 mediocre PAs which dragged their overall career wRC+ down.

Z S, Monday, 1 July 2013 15:36 (seven years ago) link

I might be wrong, but my guess is that career leaders would be a fairly reliable guide as to who had the best numbers--whatever sabermetric tool you use--after 7000 PA. I don't think there are many guys at this level who took a drastic tumble during the final third of their careers. Albert Belle retired just as his decline phase was starting, so he doesn't count; with someone like Juan Gonzalez, his numbers weren't good enough during his prime to qualify anyway once adjusted. I'm having a hard time thinking of anybody who ranked with Mays and DiMaggio and the rest through 7000 PA, but then began a prolonged slide. Actually, Griffey's one. His OPS+ through 1999 is 149, which would be tied for 36th on the career list, but by the time he finishes he's at 136 and 99th place. Frank Thomas, on the other hand, had such a head start that even after finishing with eight up-and-down seasons, he still ends up tied with Mays and Dick Allen for 19th on the Career OPS+ list.

clemenza, Monday, 1 July 2013 16:42 (seven years ago) link

I think for Thomas it helped that his only "bad" seasons were his injury plagued ones. He never had a full season that wasn't at least good offensively.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 1 July 2013 17:25 (seven years ago) link

Just read that he has 90 RBIs and had to check to make sure it wasn't a typo.

Z S, Monday, 8 July 2013 18:32 (seven years ago) link

Here are the most ever before the break (Hamilton ended up with 95 that year), unless someone else made the list the past four seasons:


Also from the Department of Antiquated Stats, he's got a good chance to become the ninth guy to win three batting titles in a row: Gwynn, Boggs, Carew, Musial, Hornsby, Cobb, Wagner, Lajoie. (Trusting someone else's research there.) He'd be the first to hit 30+ HR each year, though.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 15:47 (seven years ago) link

Yes, I know: the great Preston Wilson...

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 15:51 (seven years ago) link

Research Notes
7th straight season with 30+ HR for Miguel Cabrera
Miguel Cabrera reached 30 HR in the Tigers' 91st game of the season. The only Tigers player to get there faster was Hank Greenberg, who hit his 30th in their 87th game of 1938.
With his 30th HR of the season today, Miguel Cabrera is the first player in MLB history with 30 home runs AND 90 RBI before the All-Star break.

Andy K, Thursday, 11 July 2013 20:02 (seven years ago) link

His red zone kind of looks like a brony bent over a table with its tail on the air, begging for forgiveness. Or you know, doing whatever it it is that bronies do.

Z S, Friday, 12 July 2013 14:31 (seven years ago) link

Hope he sits out the all-star game for his back's sake.

Andy K, Saturday, 13 July 2013 01:10 (seven years ago) link

Hope he sits out the all-star game so the Orioles can have the entire starting infield not named Cano

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 13 July 2013 06:32 (seven years ago) link

Is he headed for the DL? I couldn't really tell from what I read.

clemenza, Thursday, 25 July 2013 13:49 (seven years ago) link

HR first AB after four or five games off.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 July 2013 00:11 (seven years ago) link

First swing!

Andy K, Sunday, 28 July 2013 00:32 (seven years ago) link

how and where would one ideally pitch to miguel cabrera

besides four wide ones

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 July 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

I saw highlights of his tête-à-tête with Salazar last night--very entertaining. First three times up, Salazar struck him out, challenging him every time. In the second or third AB, there was a pitch where Cabrera (good-naturedly) signaled out to the mound that he just missed the last pitch by a bit, and maybe he'd like to come in with another one in the same spot. Salazar does, strikes him out. Fourth time up, Salazar still pitching, Cabrera knocks him out with a 420-ft. HR.

clemenza, Thursday, 8 August 2013 16:03 (seven years ago) link


Andy K, Friday, 9 August 2013 01:33 (seven years ago) link

Forgot about Salazar pointing up after contact.

Yeah, there it goes.

Andy K, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:05 (seven years ago) link

That's a great piece. I wish I could find video of Cabrera joking around about the pitch he just missed--did you see that, Andy?

clemenza, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:06 (seven years ago) link

The only thing I recall from one of the at-bats is Cabrera doing his nod of respect (as if to say, "Hey, all right -- you are providing me with a challenge") between a couple pitches.

Andy K, Friday, 9 August 2013 15:26 (seven years ago) link

Two HRs off Rivera in the same series.

Andy K, Sunday, 11 August 2013 20:12 (seven years ago) link

This post is meant for me and me alone. Please, move along.

I was trying to estimate his chance of another Triple Crown, and I figure it's 5% at best. If you took Chris Davis out of the equation, I'd say he'd be up around 80 or 90% at this point.

He's probably close to locking up the batting title--put him at a conservative 85% there. RBI, 45% (and 45% for Davis, and 10% for the rest of the league). But home runs, he'd have to make up six in the remaining games. Even if Davis were to settle into a 30-HR pace the rest of the way--which doesn't seem that unreasonable--he'd still hit 9 or 10, putting him around 50. Cabrera needs 14 more for 50, which would mean continuing his current pace. The chances of both those things happening, or something close in either direction? I don't know--10-15%? 85% x 45% x 15% = 6%. But Cabrera won't play every game, and he walks a lot, and Davis may stay hot, so knock that down even more.

clemenza, Monday, 12 August 2013 00:35 (seven years ago) link


stark on where miggy ranks with the greatest RH hitters ever

k3vin k., Thursday, 15 August 2013 17:04 (seven years ago) link

He should have 3000 hits in 5-6 years, which is pretty remarkable.

van smack, Thursday, 15 August 2013 19:57 (seven years ago) link

He's got a decent shot at a couple of very short lists:

2000 RBI: Aaron, Ruth, Anson (and A-Rod, if he can get another 50)
6000 Total Bases: Aaron, Musial, Mays (A-Rod still needs close to 600)

The RBI mark is easier--seven more seasons of typical performance (110 a year). TB, he'd need probably need eight more--he'll cross 3,500 this year. He turns 31 next April. But at the same point, Pujols was at 1,230 RBI and 3,580 TB--basically the same. Things change.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 August 2013 20:28 (seven years ago) link

also the rbis are dependent on the team around him

what do we know about miggy, except that he likes a drink? does he watch a ton of video? does he spend half his waking life in the cage? is he a savant?

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 August 2013 23:34 (seven years ago) link

Saved his teammates in combat in China; loves to play solitaire.

cops on horse (WilliamC), Thursday, 15 August 2013 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Tigers' analyst just pointed out that his front leg and foot moved and/or landed differently on recent HRs off Rivera, Danks.

Andy K, Thursday, 15 August 2013 23:57 (seven years ago) link

also the rbis are dependent on the team around him

Less so than most players, I think. I checked his ten 100-RBI seasons, and four of the teams were below the league average in runs, six were above. (All but one Marlins team below, all but one Tigers team above; many of them on either side were fairly close to the league average.) Provided he's healthy, he doesn't strike me as someone who's only going to knock in 80 because the players in front of him aren't anything special.

clemenza, Friday, 16 August 2013 00:29 (seven years ago) link

What I'm saying is that his RBI consistency doesn't seem especially a function of anything other than him being his normal self when hitting with baserunners:

Career: .321/.399/.570
Runners on: .332/.411/.577
RISP: .337/.433/.570

Now, I don't know whether he's batted more often than average with baserunners on over the course of his career--with Florida, probably not, with the Tigers, quite probably yes.

One thing that surprises me looking at his splits is how much better he is against finesse pitchers than power pitchers:

Power (1,300+ AB): .277/.394/.495
Finesse (2,500+ AB): .350/.421/.615

That's a sizable gap. I thought great power hitters were almost always great fastball hitters.

clemenza, Friday, 16 August 2013 00:43 (seven years ago) link

where are you getting the power/finesse splits from?

mookieproof, Friday, 16 August 2013 01:57 (seven years ago) link

It's all on Baseball Reference, in the Career Batting Splits section:


They have three categories: power, average power/finesse, finesse. There's got to be some subjectivity at work there in the grey area.

Not to press the point, but I was thinking about who Cabrera's been hitting behind this year: Austin Jackson/Andy Dirks and Torii Hunter. Jackson and Dirks have been mediocre at best in the lead-off spot: Jackson's .264/.332/.411 (not good at getting on base, decent power), Dirks is .278/.300/.371. Hitting #2, Hunter is .305/.340/.463--good power, nothing special in getting on. Cabrera's knocking in a run a game because of Cabrera: .391/.506/.807 with runners on (wow), .437/.555/.899 with RISP (really wow).

clemenza, Friday, 16 August 2013 02:11 (seven years ago) link

note the time stamp of that second tweet

k3vin k., Monday, 2 April 2018 13:21 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Cabrera’s health struggles last season — trying to play despite two herniated discs in his back — have left a scar, there is no doubt about that. He is going to be supremely cautious with this injury.

“I went through a lot last year, so I don’t want to do the same thing,” he said. “Nobody appreciates when you play hurt. I’m going to take my time and play when I am good. I played a lot of years hurt here in Detroit. They (fans) don’t appreciate that.

“When you are doing bad, they crush you. They crush you. They say you are bad. They say you should go home. You don’t deserve anything. You are old. So I say, OK, I’m done playing hurt. Now I am going to take my time.”


Andy K, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 22:07 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Miguel Cabrera is hurt.

Andy K, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 00:40 (two years ago) link

Miguel Cabrera probably doesn't need his own thread anymore.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 00:52 (two years ago) link

show some respect

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 01:19 (two years ago) link

...I say with some sadness. (You may be barking up the wrong tree there.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 01:46 (two years ago) link

Not to harp on this too much, but there's some tremendous parallels between Miggy and Pujols here. The Cards are thankful every day they let Pujols walk after his age-31 season rather than giving him that deal.

— Mike Petriello (@mike_petriello) June 13, 2018

k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 June 2018 03:31 (two years ago) link

Officially out for the rest of the season with a ruptured left biceps tendon.

omar little, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 04:49 (two years ago) link

i wish he would just take a year off to get as healthy as he can possibly get at his age and go from there

― qualx, Saturday, October 14, 2017 4:41 AM (seven months ago)

Prescient post.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 08:43 (two years ago) link

Not to harp on this too much, but the last thing the team's 85-year-old, championship-craving owner cared about in 2014 (and most other years) was overpaying.

Maybe the Tigers would have been super smart like the Cardinals and let Cabrera walk if THEY had recently won two World Series.

Andy K, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 14:55 (two years ago) link

They didn't even need to worry about him walking -- he had two years left on his contract (I'm sure you don't need reminding).

I think there's a good chance Miggy ages like Thome did -- high OBP's and good power, but as a full time DH playing 110 games per year. His iron man seasons with 150+ GP are surely past.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 14 June 2018 09:34 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

36 today. it's getting ugly : /

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:39 (one year ago) link

think the tigers are going to exercise that second option year in 2025??

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:47 (one year ago) link

It's Miguel Cabrera's birthday!

Let's watch that time he was offered an intentional walk and said "nah." pic.twitter.com/MvDujabTiU

— Cut4 (@Cut4) April 18, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:58 (one year ago) link

He has looked even worse than the numbers indicate.

Andy K, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

poll: if miggy tried to hit an intentional walk pitch today (and if pitchers still threw intentional walk pitches), could he still hit one 2 feet outside for a RBI single

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

my guess is the pitcher would have to jog forward a little to play it.

after Pujols, is this the worst current contract to be stuck with in baseball?

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 April 2019 06:03 (one year ago) link

chris davis is a pretty bad one too

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 06:08 (one year ago) link

Ooh ya. Three first basemen.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:05 (one year ago) link

what a moment

With his double in the 5th inning, @MiguelCabrera now has 560 doubles in his career, tying him with Jeff Kent and Eddie Murray for 27th in MLB history.

— Tigers PR (@DetroitTigersPR) April 23, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 18:32 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

MRI on Miguel Cabrera's knee is still being reviewed by "a lot of different doctors," Ron Gardenhire said.

— Jason Beck (@beckjason) June 2, 2019

Andy K, Sunday, 2 June 2019 15:37 (one year ago) link

Miguel Cabrera diagnosed with “chronic changes to his knee” as the result of a long career, according to Tigers head athletic trainer Doug Teter.

— Jason Beck (@beckjason) June 4, 2019

na (NA), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:21 (one year ago) link

what the

omar little, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:22 (one year ago) link

hmm, a case of "chronic changes to knee"

beginning to see why they sought out a second opinion

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:23 (one year ago) link

sir, i have bad news. it's about your lungs. they...they're changing. chronically.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:23 (one year ago) link

“Okay, now, the symptoms you describe point to ‘bonus eruptus’, it’s a terrible disorder where the skeleton tries to leap out the mouth and escape the body.”

omar little, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:27 (one year ago) link

a bizarre way to say "old" or "arthritis"

easy ball shooter (Spottie), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:33 (one year ago) link

I think I have this affliction

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 22:51 (one year ago) link

There was a four-year stretch when, after final game each season, would ask Cabrera what injuries he was dealing with down stretch. And only then would he answer. The guy just played, especially when they were playing in October. https://t.co/YHtuMpTtvj

— Jason Beck (@beckjason) June 4, 2019

“The only advice I can say to young kids is take care of their body when they have to," Miguel Cabrera said. "When they have something, stop playing for a week and come back. Don’t play through pain, because you’re going to pay the price later.”

— Jason Beck (@beckjason) June 4, 2019

Andy K, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 22:55 (one year ago) link

also do your homework and stay in school

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 23:50 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Speaking of Cabrera, his 2019 is one of the oddest superstar decline years that I can remember. If you told me back when Cabrera signed his contract extension that he’d be a terrible major leaguer in 2019, I would have believed you (as did the projections). But I wasn’t quite prepared for the shape of the decline; I did not see Cabrera’s decline phase being “really, really slow Vince Coleman.” I expected Cabrera to look more like Albert Pujols does now, maintaining his power but eventually losing everything else. Instead, Miggy has retained his ability to hit singles but has only hit 10 homers in a run environment where records are being shattered left and right. Just for a quick comp list for 2019, I looked up every season within five points of Cabrera’s in BA, OBP, and wRC+, within 10 points of OBP, and with at least 80 strikeouts.



I am also Harl (Karl Malone), Friday, 6 September 2019 05:13 (one year ago) link

Kind of gruesome...He's signed for three more seasons; he might need that to reach 500 HR.

clemenza, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:06 (one year ago) link

nothing more fun for fans than watching aging vince coleman try to reach a round HR number!

I am also Harl (Karl Malone), Friday, 6 September 2019 18:08 (one year ago) link

signed for 4 more seasons iirc

omar little, Friday, 6 September 2019 18:11 (one year ago) link

Kinda puzzled why Fangraphs is so surprised by his "decline" (3 seasons of fairly level shitty/replacement level)? Or is it "odd" to be that shitty for 3 seasons?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 6 September 2019 18:15 (one year ago) link

i feel like your question is answered in the quote.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:17 (one year ago) link

I worded my post poorly:

Miggy's 2019 did not forge much of a different vector from his 2018 (injury) nor his 2017 (terrible) seasons. Expecting an outlier on the tailend of 3 seasons of lackluster performance is a bit reckless imho... tho I'm not a baseball blogger.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 6 September 2019 19:55 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

As was noted in this Chris McCosky pievce last October, Miguel Cabrera's right knee is not going to get better. It's the core reason why he's not hitting. He's in shape, he has the fire -- but not the right knee. It needs, probably, replacing. No go there. https://t.co/dXTIH507P2

— Lynn G. Henning (@Lynn_Henning) August 26, 2020

A ballplayer getting his knee replaced isn't a ballplayer returning to big-league duties. Thus, it seems, the script is nearly written: Tigers will get him to 3,000 hits, try to get him to 500 HRs. And then there will be a parting. All because the knee can't adequately function.

— Lynn G. Henning (@Lynn_Henning) August 26, 2020

Andy K, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 13:53 (five months ago) link

Needs 165 hits for 3000 and 19 HRs for 500.

At .198/.297/.327 this year, and has looked as overmatched as those numbers indicate.

Hasn't appeared desperate, at least -- no major deviation in his swing percentages. Making less contact outside the zone.

I dunno.

Andy K, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 15:23 (five months ago) link

talking out of my ass here, but i find it hard to believe that a knee replacement would make things worse than they already are

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 15:32 (five months ago) link

You don't need great knees to hit a HR from the DH spot (Joey/Albert Belle, Bo Jackson, Kirk Gibson, Mo Vaughan, Don Mattingly, David Ortiz, etc.). But getting those 165 hits might be the bigger challenge if he can't run at 80% or less of his peak speed.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 15:43 (five months ago) link

.198/.297/.327 is going to be even worse when pitchers start challenging him more often (he has a walk rate of 11.9%, somehow)

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 15:52 (five months ago) link

xp you can be slow as hell and still be a good contact/non-slugger:

here's the bottom 10 in sprint speed:


The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 15:53 (five months ago) link

well, maybe not a good contact hitter, but still able to get "hits"

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 15:55 (five months ago) link

Yes, exactly! That's his current "speed". After a knee replacement, you can best believe he will be slower than Pujols & Yadi (he's marginally faster than them now).

Also, just say Miggy collects a hit, he immediately becomes a baserunning liability: much easier to get a double play off of the slowest runner in baseball, he will not be able to slide in to 2B to break up the double play, in fact he will be a huge injury risk every time he has to slide, he will not be taking an extra base on a gapper (1st - 3rd, 2nd - Home). Baserunning liability = more out chances for the defense = less run production for DET.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 16:39 (five months ago) link

yeah, i guess i agree it's liable to get pretty ugly. what your'e describing is pretty much albert pujols for the last several years

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 18:36 (five months ago) link

talking out of my ass here, but i find it hard to believe that a knee replacement would make things worse than they already are

― mookieproof, Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:32 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

recovery is tough and you need to be on blood thinners for a few months. it’s not impossible but for someone his age it’s asking a lot

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 August 2020 20:49 (five months ago) link

i'm on blood thinners right now and am totally fine to DH until my cat bites me and i bleed to death

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 20:54 (five months ago) link


k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 August 2020 20:59 (five months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Heating up.

Andy K, Friday, 25 September 2020 01:25 (five months ago) link

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