Wander Franco: he can't miss, will be MVP by 2025 easy

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just wanted to throw these predictions out there. inner circle hall of fame, consensus, already voted in by me

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link

Pretty comparable age-20 season to Correa:

Wander (61 games): .282/.344/.461, 128 OPS+, 2.9 WAR
Carlos (99 games): .279/.345/.512, 135 OPS+, 4.8 WAR

Edge to Correa...you haven't done him any favours.

Jumping the Gun: the Carlos Correa Thread

clemenza, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link

carlos correa has actually been pretty good, despite the whole cheating thing! his biggest problem has been staying on the field. barring a few times that already have superstars, i think pretty much every team would love to have correa as their starting SS

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link

and he's supposed to be way better than correa, i think? maybe i only caught onto the franco hype but wasn't really following prospects too much in the early 2010s, so maybe correa was just as hyped. franco hit tools are graded as someone who is already at an all-star level, and someone who is projected to reach superstar status. not as a possibility, like a 90th percentile or something, but superstar as the most likely outcome. i'm not sure what other player has ever reached that level of prospect "no doubter" - harper?

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link

vlad and soto's hitting skills, right up there, prospect, tools, scouts, all that. but neither one of them are playing SS

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link

my final, most powerful defense. officer of the court, judge, and AV technician: if you don't mind lowering the blinds?

*turns on slide projector with only 3 numbers and 3 little slashly lines above*

5'10"

he's 5'10"! come on, that's awesome!

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link

Franco's prospect rankings are more impressive (Correa's were very good, though):

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=franco002wan
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=correa000car

Their final minor league seasons were, again, pretty comparable:

Franco (AAA): .315/.367/.586
Corea (AA/AAA): .335/.407/.600

To me, they basically seem like the same player coming into the league. Correa appears to have overcome my jinx and be back on a HOF track...depending upon how the scandal is viewed down the road.

clemenza, Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link

This is pretty entertaining, posted a day or two after Franco was brought up:

https://www.mlb.com/news/wander-franco-projections-10-years

Correa's 2015 season was, indeed, the "standard projection" for Franco's 2021.

clemenza, Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:34 (two years ago) link

But what was correa’s projection for that season? That’s what I mean. It’s very rare to be expected to have this kind of season as a 20 year old. For a 20 year old to do that, sure, surprises happen all the time.

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 September 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link

tbh i'd kind of considered correa a letdown -- i was not at all expecting lindor to out-slug him (prior to this year) -- but he's at 33 bWAR through age 26 and that is kickass

mookieproof, Friday, 10 September 2021 02:43 (two years ago) link

also he's totally gonna be a yankee in six months (unless all baseball blows up in the meantime)

mookieproof, Friday, 10 September 2021 02:45 (two years ago) link

xps oh sorry clemenza, re-read your post when i got home and i think i misunderstood you

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 September 2021 05:05 (two years ago) link

Franco’s knock off Detroit starter Tyler Alexander rocketed up the middle at 107.5 mph and extended the 20-year-old’s on-base streak to 39 games. He’s just four games shy of Hall of Famer Frank Robinson -- who holds the record for the longest streak by a player age 20 or younger in American League or National League history -- and ranks third on the franchise list overall.

then he came out of the game with a leg injury :(

rip wander franco. your career is over and now you're brien taylor

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:59 (two years ago) link

*puts the dog in the mailbag and walks off toward Boston*

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 September 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think this is it for the streak, unless it goes to extras and the Rays get like 7 more ABs

, Friday, 1 October 2021 02:10 (two years ago) link

https://www.mlb.com/news/wander-franco-first-mlb-season-recap

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link

everything people say about him is true. he comes to the plate and the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. just total fight or flight response. him and arozarena are such an incredible 1-2 punch.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.mlb.com/news/wander-franco-deal-takeaways-for-rays

Pretty smart for most any franchise, I'd say, but will Tampa Bay ever support a team?

clemenza, Thursday, 25 November 2021 04:13 (two years ago) link

it’s so crazy that when this massive 10 year contract is finally finished he’ll be….. 30 years old

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:38 (two years ago) link

sorry 31

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:47 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

Misread the headline, like the jewelry was found on his person!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34280374/tampa-bay-rays-wander-franco-loses-650k-jewelry-stolen-vehicle

clemenza, Saturday, 23 July 2022 03:37 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

Off to a phenomenal start, will be MVP by 2023, possibly.

clemenza, Monday, 3 April 2023 15:33 (one year ago) link

.379/.438/.793, 3 2B, 3 HR, 3 BB, 3 K

he's no bryan reynolds, but that's a good week

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 April 2023 21:52 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

benched two games for “not being the best teammate”

na (NA), Thursday, 22 June 2023 21:19 (eleven months ago) link

hmm

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 June 2023 21:38 (eleven months ago) link

Royals just tied it up. You always hope the benching team takes the W to save any awkwardness. Let’s go Rays <3

hrep (H.P), Friday, 23 June 2023 01:12 (eleven months ago) link

Obviously, the public gets just a bit of the story. One thing a guy said on Sportsnet up here tonight--an ex-player I don't remember at all--is that to get this far, the players themselves would have asked for something to be done. I hope it's all forgotten quickly; Franco seems like a very affable Lindor kind of player from the little I've seen of him.

clemenza, Friday, 23 June 2023 01:24 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

from clemenza's post on the rolling mlb thread:

A person very close to the investigations into the case of Wander Franco: "It will be very unlikely that Wander Franco will play in MLB again, judging by the results of the investigations that are currently being carried out, which directly commit him to the accusations against… https://t.co/Yn5CGckJgE

— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) August 17, 2023

just thought i'd put it here, too. god, fucking horrible. i don't think i ever saw franco play a game (i only knew him from stats, prospect hype and highlight reels), don't think i ever will and that's a good thing.

i wanna post cool stuff, slick stuff, neat stuff (z_tbd), Thursday, 17 August 2023 14:58 (nine months ago) link

I'd bet a large sum of money at this point that everything's true. These things never end with "Never mind, everyone, false alarm."

clemenza, Thursday, 17 August 2023 15:12 (nine months ago) link

i very much believe it's true. franco, the team, and mlb's relative silence on the issue speaks volumes. the social media photos i saw, alone, tell the story, and the one thing that throws that into doubt (photoshops, ai, deepfakes, etc) doesn't apply when there are real investigations, complaints, lawsuits being filed.

good riddance, franco. you missed you stupid fucker

i wanna post cool stuff, slick stuff, neat stuff (z_tbd), Thursday, 17 August 2023 15:17 (nine months ago) link

four months pass...

Jesus Christ.

Enrique and @JuanRecioM with the facts: Tampa Bay Rays shortstop Wander Franco has been officially summoned by police to appear for questioning at 11 a.m. Thursday, per sources. Franco is under investigation by police and MLB for alleged inappropriate relationships with minors. https://t.co/6g4w5ScTkv

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 27, 2023

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 20:31 (five months ago) link

plural is it

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 December 2023 20:35 (five months ago) link

He no-showed his summons, his lawyers claim to have been dismissed and he is apparently on the run?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 28 December 2023 18:12 (five months ago) link

Fucking hell

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Thursday, 28 December 2023 18:16 (five months ago) link

Franco seems like a very affable Lindor kind of player from the little I've seen of him.
― clemenza, Thursday, June 22, 2023 9:24 PM (six months ago)

Back when his biggest problem was getting benched for "not being a good teammate."

clemenza, Thursday, 28 December 2023 19:35 (five months ago) link

Something tells me this is not Josh Giddey bad but far far worse - with enough incidents and concerns to warrant this type of action in the DR

octobeard, Friday, 29 December 2023 02:20 (five months ago) link

Wander Franco Update:

After being interrogated by prosecutors, Wander Franco is now under arrest at Puerto Plata. https://t.co/5xSfIC4OsI

— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) January 1, 2024

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 1 January 2024 20:11 (five months ago) link

Career over

omar little, Monday, 1 January 2024 20:23 (five months ago) link

Passan clarifies:

Tampa Bay Rays shortstop Wander Franco was arrested earlier today for no-showing his Thursday meeting with the prosecutor investigating him for alleged relationships with underaged girls, sources told @JuanRecioM. More news and context, free at ESPN: https://t.co/BEYOtnlOFN pic.twitter.com/zYg8sL2o3r

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 1, 2024

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 1 January 2024 22:17 (five months ago) link

Cursed thread title

H.P, Monday, 1 January 2024 23:04 (five months ago) link

truly

With that said…the Yankees, dodgers, Red Sox, giants, cubs, astros, Mets: all of them can’t miss , will win WS by 2036 easy

z_tbd, Monday, 1 January 2024 23:28 (five months ago) link

What’d the Mets ever do to you?

H.P, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 00:26 (five months ago) link

i felt guilty about including that as soon as i submitted lol

basically i'm just including teams that occasionally get to spend as much as they want on players. but dang the mets have had some real heartbreakers over the years. so to reverse curse fix this i'm gonna also say the mets will surely miss, will definitely break some hearts in 2024

z_tbd, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 00:31 (five months ago) link

Still flabbergasted the 2023 Mets team ended up having a losing season. That plus the Orioles taking the highest wins in mlb have to be the two strangest win-loss balances of the season

H.P, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 00:39 (five months ago) link

Sorry, in the AL, forgot about those pesky Braves (selective memory)

H.P, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 00:40 (five months ago) link

What is there to say? Unbelievably bleak

In this story are allegations that Tampa Bay shortstop Wander Franco paid off the mother of an underaged girl with whom Franco had a relationship. Additionally, @Martinrodriv reported, citing law enforcement documents, that the girl was 14 at the time. https://t.co/5yU8zywHDZ

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 4, 2024

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Thursday, 4 January 2024 07:44 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

details are getting worse and worse

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39340208/wander-franco-investigation-mlb-details

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 January 2024 02:41 (four months ago) link


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