Jumping the Gun: the Carlos Correa Thread

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Suggested nickname: Carlos the Jackal. This may look as silly two or five years from now as if I'd started a Garry Templeton thread in 1978, but at the moment, where would you take him in an unrestricted building-a-franchise draft? For me, after Trout/Harper 1-2 in some order, it'd be a case of him or Kershaw third. I'd probably take Kershaw, with zero confidence that I was making the right decision.


clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

i've watched his impressive statline but i've barely seen him play at all this season, so can't say much. but (honest question, not snarky) what makes him stand out even more than...bryant, lindor, sano, conforto, [insert your pet 2015 rookie superstar here]??

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link

His age and position. Looking at Bryant, I think the upside difference between a 20-year-old shortstop and a 23-year-old first baseman is rather large. Sano's 22 and has mostly DH'd this year--don't know what he's like in the field. James used to study this stuff; his level of production at age 20 is, historically, significant. (Which is not to say that there haven't been other 20-year-olds at a similar level of production who didn't pan out. But not too many, I don't think.)

clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link

Sorry, Bryant's third base. That does strengthen his case, but the age difference is still there.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link

Lindor was really impressive when we played Cleveland a few weeks ago; yeah, those two are probably comparable. Correa has a year on him and, at the moment, more power.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

I watched a bunch of Houston games in the late season, starting pretty much when the Giants were toasted and yeah, Correa has a tremendous swing. Him + Springer his going to do a lot of damage in the coming year.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

Once again, I forgot all about Weighted Mahalanobis Distance--I hate when that happens.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link

Lindor has been awesome:

Lindor: 390 AB, 50 R, 122 H, 22 2B, 4 3B, 12 HR, 51 RBI, 12 SB, 2 CS, 27 BB, 69 K, .313/.353/.482
Correa: 387 AB, 52 R, 108 H, 22 2B, 1 3B, 22 HR, 68 RBI, 14 SB, 4 CS, 40 BB, 78 K, .279/.345/.512

And... small sample size, but:

Corey Seager: 113 AB, .337/.425/.561

Great year for rookie SS's

polyphonic, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link

ten months pass...

Forgot I started this thread. Having a good year--4.9 WAR at 21 and presumably headed for 6.0+ must be Top 10 ever for that age--but hasn't taken the big step forward I was hoping for, which would have unrealistically been a Trout/A-Rod type season: 35 homers, .300/.550+. Maybe next year.

clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link

It won't be Top 10.


clemenza, Saturday, 13 August 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

has to be top ten at SS

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 14 August 2016 04:30 (seven years ago) link

After checking, it is. Extraordinary is that in the top 20 all time of age 21 seasons at SS, there is last season's of Lindor at 4th, this season's Addison Russe at 11 and this season's Correa at 7th.

Also, Lindor only played 99 games that season, which is all sorts of nuts.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 14 August 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link

per fangraphs WAR that is.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 14 August 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link

nine months pass...

Had a slow start this year, but really coming on--big day today, huge May, now at .311/.386/.514, 12 doubles, 8 HR. He'll turn 23 towards the end of September. He's not Trout or A-Rod out of the gate, but I'll basically hold to what I wrote in the first post; after Trout and Harper, he's the next guy I'd take in an open draft. (Ahead of Kershaw/Sale, maybe...I don't know.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 01:15 (six years ago) link

I'd take Kershaw before Harper.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:08 (six years ago) link

Interesting. Kershaw will end this year just shy of 2,000 innings--who knows if he ends up being Randy Johnson or Roy Halladay in terms of longevity. Harper's been kind of unpredictable thus far.

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:15 (six years ago) link

kershaw's five years older and a pitcher, easy decision imo

qualx, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:24 (six years ago) link

Ah yes, I was thinking more who are you taking at draft age.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:26 (six years ago) link

sort of feel like people forget about bryant in these discussions

k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:16 (six years ago) link

This goes back to Monday's home run:


Loved Garciaparra; hopefully Correa won't break down physically.

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link

or mentally. that wouldn't be nice either.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link

I want to counter with a player who was both long-term great and crazy (not flaky, crazy), and I can't think of anyone.

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link

hoping correa follows the a-rod path so we get some good photoshoots out of it

qualx, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Hurt his thumb again tonight.


clemenza, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 03:39 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

correa has been very, very good. lindor has been even better. correa has always been a bit ahead of lindor, offensively, but lindor provides so much surplus defensive value that he's been worth more WAR, overall. and this year, lindor's offense has been better as well, even though correa is still raking.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Thursday, 17 May 2018 01:57 (five years ago) link

Definite edge to Lindor at the moment.

clemenza, Thursday, 17 May 2018 04:38 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

He's kind of lousy this year.

clemenza, Friday, 21 September 2018 11:50 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

With the usual caveats about opportunities:


clemenza, Friday, 18 October 2019 12:46 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Follow-up to some Astros-cheating talk on the post-season thread:


Just a fan survey, so meaningless, but I could see this kind of thing following some of 2017/18 Astros for years. Springer, for some reason, seems to have dodged this.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2022 14:49 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

I might put a pre-season bet down on him for MVP. The odds won't be great--I could even seeing him being a slight favourite--but I think he'll have a great season. Counter-intuitive, I know--guys are supposed to play better going into free-agency, not after they land the big contract--but there are exceptions (Maddux and Bonds come to mind), and it feels like he still hasn't had that one iconic season commensurate with how good he is. He was on his way in 2017 before he got hurt.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 December 2022 22:24 (eleven months ago) link

nine months pass...

^^Carnac the Magnificent...He's really had a miserable season, hasn't he? Not counting abbreviated seasons, career lows in virtually anything that matters.

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 21:50 (two months ago) link

Aye, there's a reason all those teams saw his film/physical results and hard-passed.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 03:44 (two months ago) link

“I don’t understand the Mets," Boras said. “I gave them all of the information. We had them talk to four doctors. They knew the issue the Giants had. And yet, they still call the same doctor the Giants used for his opinion.

This aged well (from the January shitshow).

He has a badly timed flare up with a foot issue also. Probably no harm in resting him before the playoffs.

The #MNTwins announce that Carlos Correa exited the game due to an aggravation of the plantar fasciitis.

— Do-Hyoung Park (@dohyoungpark) September 18, 2023

His splits for the year aren’t great but it looked as though things had maybe picked up a bit for him (through half the month, obvious caveat)

ydkb (gyac), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 10:15 (two months ago) link

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