What kind of bothers me in regards to the Jays future is, while we’ve got some serious bats coming up (Alford, Biggio, Bichette, Smith, Jansen) we don’t have much in the way of pitching. Pearson I like a lot, tho he’s hurt right now and Borucki might be ok... but I feel like bringing up Vlad too soon brings him out of synch with the others. I get that he’s more advanced than any other prospect in the system but I don’t see a need to rush him if it doesn’t serve a purpose.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:48 (five years ago) link
He'll get called up in September for sure. As for calling up the prospects and letting them develop in the majors (like the Braves and Astros), it won't happen. The Jays haven't done that since the early 80's.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:23 (five years ago) link
to quote zack cozart, this is bad for baseball. the best players should be in the majors, regardless of age or years of control. the cubs/braves gaming a couple weeks to get an extra year of bryant/acuna is, while bad, one thing, but stashing a guy for months/years is unacceptable. if the jays keep him down it may be smart given the current incentives, but it's something that baseball as a whole should address
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
agreed
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link
agreed here, too.
on the other hand, i guess it's good for AA baseball
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
saw people on twitter celebrating 'the guerrero news' but it turned out to be about peru's world cup captain : /
― mookieproof, Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
last I checked he was hitting like .440
― k3vin k., Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
.417/.465/.701 with 21 strikeouts in 216 plate appearances
in a league in which he is -5.3 years younger than average
<3
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 June 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
i also side with zack cozart on this issue
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 June 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
but if he's not going to promoted it would be nice to see him hit .450 or do something bonkers
So it's obviously bad for baseball fans that Guerrero is not playing in the majors right now but on top of that... I wonder how the current Blue Jays squad feel about not getting the necessary reinforcements to win games. As players of major league caliber, their whole life is set upon competing at baseball, and then their management is throwing the towel 45 games into the season and decides not to bring in potential help to win games. It must be so frustrating, if not downright deflating. 'Nah you guys are not quite worth losing one year of Guerrero's contract, sorry'.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
boo hoo lol
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
I can see them thinking that way in another context--later in the year, somewhat closer--but I can't believe anybody on this team thinks Guerrero's going to launch them into contention. Something I come across in a lot of books is how, 50 years ago, some veterans would be very supportive of younger players (e.g., Musial), but most would treat them like dirt. I don't know how many of those guys still exist--money has changed everything; veterans don't feel as threatened anymore--but if they do, they're probably thinking this Double-A guy sure does get a fuck of a lot of attention.
― clemenza, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
Not launching them into contention, indeed that would not happen right now, but at least help winning games. However you are probably right, there is a most probably a selfish reaction when a young star comes along.
(However, it would be fun to hear if the arrival of Albies and Acuna did motivate older players in the Braves lineup to compete more than they used to, or if it just a coincidence.)
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
most jays are playing poorly enough that they deserve to be replaced, so they should be happy to leave the minor leaguers where they are. of the few that aren't -- or at least deserve the benefit of the doubt -- two play vlad's position
i would guess most guys' feelings are a mix of 'shit, i could tear up double-a too' (not like this, you couldn't) and 'whoa that kid's good'. most of them saw him in spring training and hit that walk-off in montreal
and yeah, winning is more fun than losing, but i suspect guys like smoak and solarte are pretty content to be playing okay and making the MLB average salary without worrying about front office moves
― mookieproof, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
of the few that aren't -- or at least deserve the benefit of the doubt -- two play vlad's position
donaldson won't be around for too long, though, i'd guess. unless his injuries destroy his trade value
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Sunday, 3 June 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
Yeah the market is already saturated in decent-to-great third basemen, considering how the past off-season went I am not convinced Donaldson is going to easily find a new home.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 3 June 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
this year is crazy...
Vlad Jr. (leg) placed on the DL at Double-A https://t.co/N0fWiWGo8z— Rotoworld Baseball (@Rotoworld_BB) June 7, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 June 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
dammit
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:55 (five years ago) link
https://sports.yahoo.com/argument-favor-keeping-vladimir-guerrero-jr-minor-leagues-203009930.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 June 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
Heading to Buffalo. Will definitely get down there for a game.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
Having a hard time getting my head around Vlad Sr. on the cover of TV Guide.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
so far in AA he's batting .410/.460/.668 in 54 games, 236 PAs, 205 wRC+
he seems ready to another level
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
ready for another level
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
#isthatgood
― k3vin k., Friday, 20 July 2018 01:05 (five years ago) link
If you're in Toronto, TSN is debuting Namesake today at 5:00, about the two Guerreros. I'm heading down to Buffalo on Thursday to see Jr.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2018 12:28 (five years ago) link
I gave serious thought about doing that. But fuck trump. I’m not going to that country.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 July 2018 04:26 (five years ago) link
Don't punish yourself. When you look back one day and say "I saw him play in Triple-A," the other guy will be long gone.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
i'll live.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
you presumably live in Doug Ford's Ontario
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
i really meant to do that while he was still in AA with new hampshire (closer to me than buffalo i think), ah well!
― challops trap house (Will M.), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
ya. i'm more boycotting the US while they have tariffs in place designed to fuck over Canadians – including my father's business (he's worked in the food industry most his life). it's not about trump specifically – but the whole corrupt/complicit apparatus that is allowing him to run roughshod over trade agreements. i'l keep my dollars here at home in doug ford's stupid fucking Ontario.
and don't even get me started about how angry i am about his latest stunt.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
I was going to say, Thermo, Buffalo will probably have a couple of seats on our next council, so you can look at it that way.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
also one of my best baseball friends is "the wrong shade" to be entering the US without us having to worry about the shitheels attitude at the boarder.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 July 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link
Maybe you could justify it by considering it a subsidy toward Vlad Jr's future career (which includes keeping him in T.O. for as many years as possible).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 07:48 (five years ago) link
dude - i am going to put a brew master's kid through college once this kid hits the show.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:06 (five years ago) link
Just missed an autograph; he opted for the young women standing beside me instead of the Unabomber-looking old guy. (Plus, she had an expensive jersey, I had a card.)
He went 1-3 with a double, a walk, and a baserunning error (understandable--the opposing shortstop had just made a fantastic play). I hope he can stay interested for the rest of the year; he looked a little bored fielding his position, or maybe he was just daydreaming about millions. (Will they bring him up as a September call-up or just start fresh next year?)
http://phildellio.tripod.com/vlad.jpg
― clemenza, Friday, 3 August 2018 13:02 (five years ago) link
💪 Vlad Jr. 💪@MLB's No. 1 overall prospect is 3-for-3 with a 2-run homer tonight, his 1st since joining the @BuffaloBisons. The #BlueJays phenom is hitting .476 in 8 games since being promoted on July 31. Here's how @BlueJays prospects are faring: https://t.co/n4rt0Iwb1H pic.twitter.com/x5Fi6eWYax— MLB Pipeline (@MLBPipeline) August 9, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 August 2018 02:25 (five years ago) link
remembering what happened with Travis Snider and Rios, I'm trying not to let my expectations get too crazy with this kid.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 August 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
neither of those guys ever hit like this, let alone as a teenager (and rios had a pretty solid big league career!)
i am expecting miguel cabrera-type things tbh
my only concern is that he seems like a rather burly young man, which could end up limiting him to first base and/or be an injury factor
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
i mean okay, it's absurd to compare a 19yo to a triple-crown winner, but he's not gonna be brandon wood either
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
Agree--Vlad's not just promising, he's been dominating two or three different levels this year. I have no historical memory here, so I think I'll send a question out to everyone's favourite aging lunatic sabermetrician, see if he can recall any precedents.
― clemenza, Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
dominating two or three different levels this year
Almost the whole year in double A and 22 ABs in AAA so far.
― timellison, Friday, 10 August 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link
Oh I'm sorry clem you were probably talking about two or three different aspects of the game. My bad!
― timellison, Friday, 10 August 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
Actually I did mean that he'd played at four different levels this season, but you're right, 90% of his AB were in double-A.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 August 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link
Unrelated to baseball:ASK TIM ELLISON
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 August 2018 01:24 (five years ago) link
Albert, I don't think I ever knew why Night Soil Man broke up. I really only knew Mark and mostly knew him after NSM. I did see NSM at least once, though!
― timellison, Friday, 10 August 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
And Pulltoys! Opening for fIREHOSE.
― timellison, Friday, 10 August 2018 03:16 (five years ago) link
(That band name came from a Minutemen song. At least I always assumed that...)
― timellison, Friday, 10 August 2018 03:17 (five years ago) link
2-4 with another HR tonight.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 August 2018 03:44 (five years ago) link