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gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Tim, what were the contents of the first issue of Rock Mag?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link


do you think george bush is deep throat?


Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 12 August 2004 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

dianne sawyer is deep throat.

Tim, is it 'no wave' or 'no-wave'?

Tim, did I ever send you a package from when you sent me those issues of your magazine 4 years ago?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 August 2004 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Hi everybody! Glad to answer questions. Let me see now...

Gygax!, I pretty much stopped eating at Roberto's...wait...Alberto's...I pretty much stopped eating at all of the 'berto's probably not too long after becoming a vegetarian around 1989 (lard in the beanz, or so it is believed, anyway!). (I actually started eating meat again just a year ago.)

The first issue of Rock Mag! (1992) contained a bunch of short little pieces of writing. Uh...the basic gist of the issue is that I wanted indie-rock to be more rock and roll oriented at the time. The last two essays are about rock and roll and colors.Then album reviews in the back. (I reviewed Of Thick Tum!)

Ally, I do not know about whether George Bush was deep throat. I certainly would like to know.

And Dan, I'm gonna go with "No Wave" (captitalized) if you're talking about the original scene, "no wave" if you're talking about how the first Ruins album was a no wave rekkerd!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link


Where do you usually get your enemas from again ?



Vic (Vic), Thursday, 12 August 2004 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link


Take sides on a couple of these like a playoff tree:

Lake Of Dracula vs. REM

Pink Floyd vs. Night Soil Man

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Vic, I once worked with someone who used enemas and was very concerned about build-up in the colon from all that food we's eatin' every day. I remember once that he ate an avocado for lunch. Interesting guy--very solemn.

Gygax!, remember when REM were on the cover of Rolling Stone ca. Lifes Rich Pageant and the heading said "America's Best Rock and Roll Band?" Word. Lake of Dracula were better than the Scissor Girls. The Pink Floyd were the greatest of all psychedelic rock bands, while Night Soil Man were the Jane's Addiction of San Diego.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link

best bass player, alive or dead...GO!

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 11:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Hi ddb. I have no idea, really! I like Macca a lot. Also: Jim from the Homosexuals!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

PM is great player, one of the best. But I'd have to say Watt, obvious choice I know...but that guy is all class. Also Bernard Edwards, Joe Preston, Peter Hook & Joe Lally are all pretty great

Follow up question, do you like the Tar Babies?

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link

You know, that's an interesting question, ddb! All of a sudden, people seem to be CANONIZING the early Tar Babies records. I know nothing of the nature of this phenomenon. I had one of their SST albums years ago; I don't remember much about it, but I don't remember liking it.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link


I had Honey bubble as a kid...not too much worth talking about...Joyride is a solid track.

I put on No Contest (I bought it for a $1 a year or so ago) the other day and some of the songs sounded pretty great!

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:27 (sixteen years ago) link


I have to give serious consideration to Carol Kaye.

Just a little bit o' sample:

Whipped Cream - Herb Alpert
Good Vibrations, Help Me Rhonda, Sloop John B, I Get Around, Wouldn't It Be Nice (dano), Calif. Girls, God Only Knows, Pet Sounds lp, Heroes & Villains, Caroline No, Surf's Up, Child Is The Father Of The Man, Do You Like Worms?, Smile lp, Cabinessence, Fire sessions, I Was Made To Love Her, Let Him Run Wild - Beach Boys
Something Stupid - Frank & Nancy Sinatra
Boots, Sugar Town, You Only Live Twice theme, etc. - Nancy Sinatra
Feelin' Alright - Joe Cocker
The Way We Were - Barbra Streisand
Tell Her You Love Her, The World We Knew (OD dano fuzz on "World"), etc. - Frank Sinatra
Hold Me Thrill Me etc. - Mel Carter
Godfather Theme, Love Story etc. - Andy Williams
In The Heat Of The Night, I Don't Need No Doctor, America The Beautiful, Eleanor Rigby, I Chose To Sing The Blues, Here We Go Again, Don't Change On Me, Feel So Bad, Understanding etc. - Ray Charles
Romeo & Juliet Theme (A Time For Love), Willow Weep For Me, Godfather Theme, others & Doc Severinson lp etc. - Henry Mancini
Natural Man, Love Is A Hurtin' Thing, Unforgettable, Your Good Thing etc. - Lou Rawls
Song Of Innocence - David Axelrod
I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder
What'd I Say, A Little Less Conversation, Suspicious Minds etc. - Elvis Presley
Wichita Lineman, Galveston, Rhinestone Cowboy etc. - Glen Campbell
Someday We'll Be together Again, Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Diana Ross
If I Could Build My Whole World Around You, Ain't Nothin' But The Real Thing - Marvin Gaye & Tami Terrell (Steiner's studio - LA)
Don't Pull Your Love Out On Me baby - Hamilton, Joe Franks & Reynolds
It Must Be Him etc. - Vickie Carr
12th Of Never, Alone Again, Memories, etc. - Johnny Mathis
Tiny Bubbles etc. - Don Ho
I'm A Believer, Last Train To Clarksville & others - Monkees
Homeward Bound, I Am A Rock, Scarborough Fair - Simon & Garfunkle
River Deep, Mountain High - Tina Turner
No Matter What Shape Your Stomach's In - T-Bones
This Diamond Ring, Just My Style, etc. - Gary Lewis and Playboys
Soul & Inspiration - Righteous Bros.
Chump Change - Quincy Jones
It's A Small World - Mike Curb & Congregation (at Disneyworld too)
Light My Fire - Doors
In Crowd, Going To The Gogo, etc. (dano, el. bass) - Dobie Gray
Love Child, Baby Love, Stop In The Name Of Love, Back In My Arms Again, You Can't Hurry Love, My World Is Empty Without You, Reflections, Love Is Here And Now You're Gone, You're All I Need To Get By etc. - Supremes
Come Together - Count Basie
I Can't Help Myself, Bernadette etc. - 4 Tops
Willow Weep For Me - Chad & Jeremy
This Is My Song - Petula Clarke
A Time For Love - Tony Bennett
Northern Windows lp - Hampton Hawes Trio
Get Ready, I Second That Emotion - Temptations
Doo Ron Ron - Crystals
Count Me In etc. - Bobby Vee
Yellow Balloon - Gary Zekeley
Baby The Rain Must Fall - Glenn Yarborough
You Made Me So Very Happy - Brenda Holloway
Sixteen Tons (60s recut heard now on radio, others) - Tenn. Ernie Ford
Alone Again Or, Dailey Planet - Love
Bang Bang, Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves - Cher
Expected to Fly - Buffalo Springfield
The Summer Wind - Wayne Newton

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Carol Kaye is a treat!



ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

she is no Esteban.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Who do you prefer, Tim, the Godz or the Doors?

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link


Tom Lax, too, now. I'm thinking I'd rather buy a SWA album.

Carol Kaye--awesome.


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

SWA were are teh doorz

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Karl Hendricks Trio: "Chuck Dukowski Was Confused"

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link


The Doors made, what, six great albums? And it was, you know, full-blown MUSIC, as opposed to goofin'? Godz were brilliant, but there's no comparison in the overall scope of the two bandz!


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Godz are great

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

who had a better belly?

Jim Morrison or Meatloaf?

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link

John Lennon got a little overweight in '65. Morrison could've made a comeback--I don't think he got that overweight. He still looks pretty good in that picture of him waving in Paris not too long before he died (you know the one I mean?).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

the tight leather pants probably make him seem fatter.

who is the most overweight musician that you like?

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link


cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I LOVE the screaming trees ca. their SST era. i saw them in tijuana in 1990 and i got to a)drink legally and b)talk to van conner about corvette summer which pretty much made my freshman year.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Mama Cass' voice. Also: ZOOGZ RIFT!!!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I saw the Screaming Trees in '88 or so. They were wearin' tie-dyeds. I liked 'em.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

By the way, if any of youse want to participate in Music Chamber's new Rate-a-Record feature, send me an email shout-out. You get a tape in the mail with ten unidentified songs and you have to rate them on a 0-100 scale and comment on them (you can speculate on who it is, if you like). Comments can just be emailed to me.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link

ZOOGZ RIFT has problems man

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 August 2004 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Da, but brilliant. I wish I could play his version of Freddie and the Dreamers' "I'm Telling You Now" (from the 1990 Nutritionally Sound CD on Trigon) for you all right now...

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Tim you should just host the MP3s!!!

What is this 1993?!?!?!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Haha, it's about 1993 for me as far as my computer skillz and ability to "host mp3s" goes! Do I need to buy any software to do this?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link


hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Tim: obviously you've never heard of Matthew Perpetua, the inventor of the MP3 blog...

do you use PC or Mac?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link


ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Mac. Mebbe I could put mp3s on my blog.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link

you just need to upload them to a webstorage "host" (i think your earthlink account may have a few dozen MBs set aside for you). Then take the MP3s, remove the ID tags and upload them with using a freeware FTP client (maybe IAN/JON can help with this, i haven't done this in years). on your blog, all you would have to do is link to the file location and your blogreaders can download and listen to the tracks w/o postage expense/time...

just an idea, plus you'd look so suave doing this, your friends and family will think you're a dotcom ceo.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks, g!.

More bass playaz: Chris Hillman ca. 5D and Younger than Yesterday. Plus:


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

oh hey, I just saw this thread. I'm new to this bored.

I only ever read one issue of Rock Mag but I liked it a lot. It was the one with the ELP as "No Wave" article. That was a hoot.

Also it had that really kick-ass Alan Licht piece about Easter Everywhere. That guy should do more writing.

ok, bye!

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Thursday, 12 August 2004 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link

4lan Licht is a Prince among Morris Days. He'd be a great addition to teh noizzz3 brd.

anyone have his email?

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link

"Rockette Morton takes off again into the wind! What do you run on Rockette Morton? (say: 'beans')."

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"I run on laser beans."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 August 2004 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link

A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?
Fast and bulbous!
That's right The Mascara Snake, fast and boulbous. Also, a tin teardrop.
Bulbous, also tapered.

You need a fly's eye to see it,

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 12 August 2004 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link

hpencil has alan licht's email address.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 13 August 2004 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...



gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 September 2004 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I think he's more interested in doing photography. He's had a couple of shows here recently. There was supposed to be a third issue of Titanium Expose, but I wouldn't imagine that it's going to happen. I don't know if he's doing any music writing right now.


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

If you talk to him, tell him hello from a fan in SF!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 13 September 2004 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Mr. Timothy J. Ellison:

What are your thoughts regarding the fact that the song is named "Taxman, Mr Thief", but in fact they sing "Taxman, Mr Heath"?

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 8 April 2006 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

tim, my boy:

what is your favorite meal?


the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 03:07 (fifteen years ago) link

ian, omg yr user name

Jaxon von Jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 03:12 (fifteen years ago) link

it's like, when you really have to piss and you hold it for so long and then you piss, but there's no relief.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link

STORMY: I have never owned the 1st Cheap Trick album, but I have researched these song lyrics online by logging on to a web site. This site makes it seem like the lead vocalist says "Heath" and the background vocalist(s) say "thief." Beatle homage, of course.

(By the way, I'll bet you did not know that Mark Tucker who did the great '70s/'80s private press LPs Batstew and In the Sack changed his name at some point to T. Storm Hunter and goes by the nickname Stormy. He is a nice guy. Last time I was in touch with him he had been working as a letter carrier for many years in Encinitas, CA - one of Steve Shasta's favorite towns.)


Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

plus a beer

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

JW (ex machina), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim (and Jeanne too),

Taking a Side: "Cecilia" vs. "Solsbury Hill"


Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link


jaxontologist (jaxon), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Dear Gyg, I mean Steve,

Solsbury Hill by about a hundred billion lite years.

Dear Jason,

That is a very good spoof. Very funnish.

Dear Jon,

Why you break heart all time?

JEANNE (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

rofl @ wife

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link

"Solsbury Hill" for me, too, S.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link


How similar are the guitar parts?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know. Did Gabriel nick "Cecilia" a little? I think my favorite solo Paul Simon hit is "Mother and Child Reunion."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link

"kodachrome" dude!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

"Kodachrome" woulda been so much better if he'd said "shit" instead of "crap" tho

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link

the Verlaines' Ready to Fly


lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Lauren OTM.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:29 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...
timmy, tell me about the George Harrison album Gone Troppo. it get's pretty shitty reviews, but this review makes it sound like i might like it. i mean at least the new wave aspects:

Generally overlooked in the ex-Beatle's solo discography, 1982's GONE TROPPO finds George Harrison flirting with radio-friendly, synth-driven pop hooks of the early-1980s, while still demonstrating his penchant for great, timeless melodies. The opener, "Wake Up My Love," establishes the light, breezy tone of the album, which continues through the Caribbean-via-Fab Four vibe of the title track. The languid love song "Unknown Delight" and the goofy doo-wop of "I Really Love You," which recalls Beatles novelty numbers such as "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)," vary the record's feel and pace. The 2004 reissue includes an acoustic demo version of the song "Mystical One," which is arguably--given its intimacy and stripped-down production--the album's strongest track.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Tim devoted an entire issue to Gone Troppo, I have it at home (but I don't think you read?).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't know how to read. sheesh. way to rub it in

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

dude, i'm pretty sure you told me that you don't read!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

all i do all day long is read. fucking ILX.

i just have a short attention span. i do a lot of magazine reading. but i just finished Sedaris's Naked. first non-music book i've read since i moved to SF i think.

jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

check your email, you only included half of what you were supposed to send.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I love that album, Jaxon. "Wake up My Love" is probably the only really new wave track. His other really cool new wave track is "Blood from a Clone" on Somewhere in England - not the best of those albums but certainly worth a dollar or two. Gone Troppo is a cool sounding record in general, though, with good songs. Also his wackiest album.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link

i just want another McCartney II


jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, nothing I know of. Are you familiar with the story about how it was originally a double album that was edited down? There is this bootleg that purports to be the original album sequencing:

I have the old vinyl bootleg version.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link

alright, that's just plain mean. i thought that was gonna be a link to download it. I NEED THAT!

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link


jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I ask that you watch this:


Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

cute little nipper. i will show this to lucy!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 17 September 2006 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...




Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

link pls

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

^^cosign w/ shasta

that thread was good until other people started posting on it.

HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

also marcello is just pissy because verso didn't want to publish his 3,000 word plus ramblings on obscure+lame motown recs

HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Love you guys. It's the Sgt. Pepper thread, Chaki.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

marcello called me subliterate once because i didn't agree with some nonsense he was spouting. whatever!

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

after 26 years i've turned over a new leaf and decided that i like rem. what's their best record keeping in mind that i hate what's the frequency kenneth?

chaki (chaki), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Chronic Town EP

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link

a_p (a_p), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

chronic town/murmur/reckoning

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i like everything until green. i could never listen to green or anything after it though.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, chronic town/murmur/reckoning. preferably on vinyl, i would think.

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

five years pass...

what's the last SD show you went to?

have you been to himalayan cuisine?

the late great, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 06:11 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

Hola Tim,

I was listening to a podcast that mentioned that Night Soil Man for undisclosed reasons that 2 members of the band refused to talk about.

A quick perusal of the LA Times site circa 1990 mentions that The Pulltoys singer Scott Ireland broke his neck during a video shoot. NSM singer Rosebud was romantically involved with Scott but no idea why those dudes would refuse to mention anything about this accident on the podcast 25 years later.

Do you have the scoop?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 August 2018 01:21 (two years ago) link

"... a podcast that mentioned that Night Soil Man BROKE UP for undisclosed reasons ..."

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 August 2018 01:22 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

HÜSKER PÖLL: Warehouse - Songs and Stories

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 20 June 2020 22:05 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

Hope you are okay, Tim, wondering why you never appear on the Emitt Rhodes thread.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:19 (eight months ago) link


pouring 1 out for all the -bertos this week

the burrito that defined a generation, Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:45 (eight months ago) link

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