ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

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idk, do we have one of these? i've been trying to up my style game recently and thought it might be good to have a thread to post stuff i like, get the occasional opinion, etc. open to all, anything from business dress to casual etc.etc. maybe i should just get a pinterest or something.

*i'd like this thread to be about actual clothes ppl are wearing or considering wearing, there's an ile thread if you want to talk about the menswear blogosphere or make fun of stuff.

anyway, i don't have much occasion to wear ties, but i saw this on sale and became sort of obsessed with it so just placed the order. i want to wear it at thanksgiving or christmas:

http://www.drakes-london.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/517x579/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/9/a9wb.55065.001_m.jpg

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 03:54 (six years ago) link

i like this etsy seller's ties:

https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5912974/il_570xN.279574838.jpg

just1n3, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 05:05 (six years ago) link

xpost wear it to an iggles game idk :)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 05:29 (six years ago) link

I guess I need to wear a tie to my job interviews next week but just realised I only have wedding/party ties.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 11:46 (six years ago) link

I need a fashion upgrade, I just feel like a schlub with most of my biz cas at work. I've always just gotten dockers to wear to work, because they're cheap and I've had trouble staying the same pants size over the course of my adult life. I never wanted to drop the coin on nicer pants because I knew in 6 months I would not fit in them. Plus I wear those dockers the fuck out. They are frazzled around the legs and the waist, all of them. Since I've been able to basically stay the same weight for the last year and a half now, I think it may be time to consider something better.

As for shirts, I have about 14 of the same kind of shirt, just in different colors/patterns. They are fine, but again, I've worn them the fuck out. Also, I have a bunch of mediums that don't fit as well as the few smalls that I have. I always buy them on sale, so it's hard to stumble upon the correct size, and I always seem to get heavily patterned ones, nothing basic.

I've considered trying out this service: http://hallmadden.com/ Seems like a good deal if the quality is there? In a year I would have a good shirt collection.

Don't even get me started on my shoes.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:11 (six years ago) link

Bottom of my shoes currently. el oh el

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5486/9458816502_677037dd49.jpg

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:17 (six years ago) link

I started wearing Dockers this year because I had problems splitting the seat of all the mid-range, Macy's-bought wool dress pants (Nautica, Calvin Klein, etc.) I had been wearing. It was a choice between spending all this damn money getting them dry cleaned and mended all the damn time or buying a new pair of pants for $35 a couple times a year. I'm pretty happy with the Dockers, but yeah, one of them has the makings of a hole in the knee already because my legs don't fit into the seats on my commuter bus.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:21 (six years ago) link

I've had too many run-ins with shirt sizes to buy by anything but collar size measurement unless I can try it on.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:25 (six years ago) link

Also, I sprung $150 for a pair of Ecco's a few years ago. They're comfortable, but they emit a horrible squeak when I walk across polished floors. Since I won't be able to afford another $150 to drop on shoes in the near future, fuck it, I'm just going to squeak everywhere I go.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:29 (six years ago) link

I've considered trying out this service: http://hallmadden.com/ Seems like a good deal if the quality is there? In a year I would have a good shirt collection.

this is interesting. the guys who started it have a decent rep for their suits, i think. i don't like that you sign up for the service without ever trying a shirt--i think they should send you one to start sizing and let you assess the quality (if you've only been wearing s/m/l, go to a tailor or nice clothing store and get measured for your shirt size!). also it is all or nothing--you keep the three shirts or return them all. i assume that means they're going with pretty safe fabrics, colors, and patterns--fine if you're not picky.

getting them dry cleaned and mended all the damn time

how often were you dry cleaning your pants?

I've had too many run-ins with shirt sizes to buy by anything but collar size measurement unless I can try it on.

agreed. i had a longstanding no s/m/l shirts policy that i recently broke for some cheap j. crew casual button up shirts for summer. they fit great through my torso and had enormous sleeves (which was not a problem since i only wore them with the sleeves cuffed).

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:08 (six years ago) link

how often were you dry cleaning your pants?

Not enough for them to actually be clean or unwrinkled most of the time.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:16 (six years ago) link

It may just be the quality I was buying, but every shirt that I've got based on neck size has been voluminous everywhere else.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:31 (six years ago) link

u need slim fit

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:31 (six years ago) link

yep

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:34 (six years ago) link

buying fitted shirts changed my life

click here to start exploding (ledge), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:34 (six years ago) link

Is there a medium fit? I need to find something between wearing a balloon with a collar and wearing a corset.

THE WORINÐLVE (DJP), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:35 (six years ago) link

Try different brands I guess? Some give chest/sleeve measurements as well as collar size.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:38 (six years ago) link

Maybe I just need a thinner neck!!

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:39 (six years ago) link

if you want to be super anal you can get a measuring tape and take some basic measurements on the best-fitting shirt you have to compare to web sizing info (or be even crazier and bring your measuring tape to the store too). i've taken to doing this with things like leg openings on pants.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:05 (six years ago) link

i don't think that is super anal, i think that is just good sense. shopping online without knowing your preferred measurements is a complete crapshoot

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:09 (six years ago) link

SUPER anal is keeping your measurements in an evernote doc so you always have them available on your phone, not that i know anyone who does that

max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:16 (six years ago) link

i bought a custom shirt from these dudes http://www.blacklapel.com have not recieved yet, will report back

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:42 (six years ago) link

the thing abt all the custom clothes sites is none of them really have the best style but we will see i feel like they should be able to handle a white dress shirt, itd b rad to be able to get some cool ass costom suits of the nets or w/e tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:43 (six years ago) link

i feel like custom / MTM shirt sites have become a huge trend in men's online retail in the past 5 years or so, there are SO MANY

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:47 (six years ago) link

yeah there are tons. do let us know about your experience w/blacklapel, jho.

i got a shirt made for my wedding at a mtm shirt tailor in boston (they basically follow the web model in that the sewing is done in hong kong, but someone measures you irl) and i was a little disappointed that the resulting shirt still had tons of billowing in the back when i tucked it in. kind of soured me on the cheap-ish mtm concept. i just bought an off the rack shirt from these guys - http://www.ledbury.com that fit me perfectly through the torso (which is kind of a big deal because i'm not a small guy and really don't need any fabric pooling near my waist).

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:55 (six years ago) link

got stuff from barneys warehouse dot com yesterday

this rag n bone unit

http://i.imgur.com/7QIMZdO.jpg

couple ties

http://i.imgur.com/jkO82ci.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ePZvwoP.jpg

a shirt

http://i.imgur.com/VzYvCYh.jpg

and these apcs

http://i.imgur.com/ZzP95cc.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:06 (six years ago) link

i feel like custom / MTM shirt sites have become a huge trend in men's online retail in the past 5 years or so, there are SO MANY

― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:47 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya its a p amazing concept imho they keep yr measurements and then you can just order whenever, we will see re the exicuction

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:07 (six years ago) link

my menswear story is I have moths in my closet

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (six years ago) link

bummer central

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (six years ago) link

put some moth balls int here

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (six years ago) link

oh man i know it's coming but i'm so not ready for the rehabiliation of light wash jeans

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (six years ago) link

lol

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (six years ago) link

I've been wearing short shorts lately the prostitutes outside call me "legs"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (six years ago) link

ha!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (six years ago) link

i love that jacket, jho

horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (six years ago) link

agree & the liberty tie is p sweet too

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (six years ago) link

oh man i know it's coming but i'm so not ready for the rehabiliation of light wash jeans

― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:08 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol when u can get apcs for $80 maybe people just arent ready yet

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (six years ago) link

tho tbh i think its already happened, im always here for you tho if you need to talk

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (six years ago) link

thanking you all xp

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:11 (six years ago) link

yeah that's a sweet haul though I share elmo's suspicion of the chillwavey jeans

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:11 (six years ago) link

theyre so luscious im just gonna luxuriate in them shits

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:13 (six years ago) link

haha nah it's cool, i just don't think i'll be climbing into any dad jeans soon

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:15 (six years ago) link

feel like dad jeans are more abt the cut, tho obvs the color factors in too

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:16 (six years ago) link

i love the truly insane things in barney's warehouse like this coat.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:16 (six years ago) link

yeah they carry a p funny mix of stuff

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:17 (six years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/OqmFsIi.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:19 (six years ago) link

it's kind of sad to see things like that coat consigned to an outlet, like, i'm sure its designer was so proud of it

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:20 (six years ago) link

ok wtf is that

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:20 (six years ago) link

that shit is glorious

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:21 (six years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/2WfRI7S.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:22 (six years ago) link

Blundstone's chelsea boots are great in bad weather, and very comfortable for urban walking.

fetter, Friday, 22 November 2019 16:02 (two months ago) link

Enjoyed this Elvis Mitchell interview with Todd Snyder, and then looked at his website and really want half the sweaters on there.

https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-treatment/todd-snyder

... (Eazy), Saturday, 30 November 2019 02:02 (one month ago) link

big todd snyder fan here. very cool sweaters and sweatshirts, and i think their jeans and chinos are fantastic.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 30 November 2019 02:56 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

I don't typically use a term like "self care", but I seriously feel like updating my wardrobe has been necessary self care for me. I recently got these 3 shirts:

Banana Republic Italian Merino Crew-Neck Sweater

Uniqlo Flannel Checked Long-Sleeve Shirt

Lucky Brand Redwood Workwear Shirt

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 January 2020 03:34 (three weeks ago) link

I've been kind of into Ledbury sweaters lately. I bought this one a couple months ago (cheaper than listed here):
https://www.ledbury.com/collections/sweaters/products/the-dark-grey-brewer-mock-neck-sweater

And it's so fucking soft and nice, and I feel like people respond to me differently when I wear it. I call it my "rich guy sweater."

I just ordered myself this one: https://www.ledbury.com/collections/sweaters/products/the-grey-heather-woodside-crew-neck-sweater

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 2 January 2020 04:29 (three weeks ago) link

man alive, yesterday ^

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2020 11:58 (three weeks ago) link

it's christmas HAULZ time, where we return the crap that relatives got us and get the things we really want.

i got a SHIRT-JACKET this way from Aigle, it's this one:
https://www.aigle.com/uk/en/p/ruzuto-I848_poppy.html

snaps instead of buttons and SIDE POCKETS. this guy looks pretty swish in it but i am planning on it being my sawing wood outside etc shirt. it needs to get a little roughed up imo.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2020 12:01 (three weeks ago) link

poking around the website Aigle apparently do an implausibly comprehensive line of hunting gear: https://www.aigle.com/uk/en/vetement-chasse

shots fired, Barbour! literally!!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2020 12:03 (three weeks ago) link

man alive, yesterday ^

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2020 11:58 (five hours ago) link

I didn't understand this post - is it missing a word?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 January 2020 17:06 (three weeks ago) link

i was just making clear to everyone who that was a picture of i.e. Rich Guy Man Alive

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2020 17:12 (three weeks ago) link

ah ok, lol

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 January 2020 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

yes, that is in fact a photo of me ahem

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 January 2020 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

partially out of curiosity, partially out of frustration at not being able to find a pair of NON stretch jeans that i like, i bought a pair of black levis 501 shrink-to-fit for cheap and did the whole soaking and drying routine. not really having ever worn 'raw denim' and seeing this stiff pair of jeans arrive, i did not have any real expectation that this was going to work out. but i soaked them in hot water, hung them to dry, and now i've been wearing them for a week now and this is kind of fun? they are breaking in quickly and already feel extremely comfortable, like i have a custom-fit pair of jeans. as a very thin and small person i can't tell you how nice it is to wear something that feels like it fits me properly. i ignored most of the advice and did NOT size up as much as it is recommended - there are a lot of hilarious "before and after" 501 photos on reddit and bad menswear blogs that made me think the sizing and shrinking guidelines are trash, and i also figured jeans stretch out so much anyways over time. the first day these were pretty tight fitting but that's all it took really.

marcos, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:46 (six days ago) link

but really though it was depressing trying on over a dozen pairs of jeans this past month, most of which fit and looked great, that i ultimately had to return because of the ubiquity of stretch denim now. i have no fundamental "raw denim purist" reaction to it in any way, it's just that i have trouble wearing many things that aren't 100% cotton, it can feel suffocating to me. some kind of sensory thing.

marcos, Thursday, 23 January 2020 15:50 (six days ago) link

there's something incredible reassuring to me about the starchy feel of thick cotton. whether it's good jeans or a clean stiff oxford shirt or a towel just off the clothesline.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:21 (six days ago) link

i too like pure cotton

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:25 (six days ago) link

i have fancy japanese denim jeans and then also some regular levis and the levis just feel like such a freakin joke all super light weight and stretchy smh

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:27 (six days ago) link

I picked up a pair of Levis "premium" and a pair of Levis "made and crafted" in a sale. The "premium" denim def feels nicer and is a little sturdier but still p soft. The "made and crafted" pair has a slightly more rigid "these are real denim jeans" kind of feel to it. Not 100% sure what each of these labels connotes though.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:57 (six days ago) link

I’ve probably said this here before but I have a friend who works at Levi’s and she says the jeans they make for Europe and Japan are much higher quality than the US pairs

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:48 (six days ago) link

I don't know how I've ended up in this situation but I'm now deliberating over tracking down the perfect white t shirt. Ridiculous, but it's so that it goes with a sweatshirt I bought recently with an interesting wide, raised neck. it needs the right flash of white to work. I'd be conscious wearing a white t on its own though, so God forbid I'd have to take the jumper off in public

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 23 January 2020 19:10 (six days ago) link

I don't know how I've ended up in this situation but I'm now deliberating over tracking down the perfect white t shirt. Ridiculous, but it's so that it goes with a sweatshirt I bought recently with an interesting wide, raised neck. it needs the right flash of white to work. I'd be conscious wearing a white t on its own though, so God forbid I'd have to take the jumper off in public

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 23 January 2020 19:11 (six days ago) link

if it's perfect then you're good though, right?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 January 2020 20:19 (six days ago) link

if you find the right post, submit it twice imo

Catherine, Boner of JP Sweeney & Co (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 January 2020 23:43 (six days ago) link

yeah it's not often i nail these things.

and Tracer, exactly - in an ideal world I'd be very happy wearing it just as a shirt

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 24 January 2020 10:16 (five days ago) link

https://www.amazon.com/kirkland-signature-white-t-shirts/s?k=kirkland+signature+white+t+shirts

Just pay the shipping imo. Absolutely the best white tshirts outside of spending an arm and a leg on fitted muscle bullshit. And they hold up for YEARS.

El Tomboto, Friday, 24 January 2020 13:50 (five days ago) link

IDK if they've changed them since, but the last kirkland white tees I bought were overly thick and weird

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 January 2020 14:20 (five days ago) link

The canonical "perfect white t shirt" is Velva Sheen, right?

Dan I., Friday, 24 January 2020 22:15 (five days ago) link

Kirkland ts are legit bad ,better than fruit of the loom I guess but that's not a high barrier

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 January 2020 22:25 (five days ago) link

uniqlo supima cotton are my current goto

lag∞n, Friday, 24 January 2020 22:34 (five days ago) link

I have a lot of questions about deodorant (specific brands?) causing the underarms of white undershirts to get really discolored and impossible to remove. But maybe this should be a larger internet search. Or maybe I should just throw all of his out and buy new ones. Are the kirkland ones too thick to be an undershirt?

Yerac, Friday, 24 January 2020 22:41 (five days ago) link

deodorant is bad and smells bad imo

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:16 (five days ago) link

Yeah, I detest the smell of it. Plus, I am asian (have that weird gene) so never had to wear it.

Spouse can't give it up

Yerac, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:20 (four days ago) link

Generally valid. I guess I rep for kirklands because I also tuck mine in (as undershirts) and I personally don’t mind the collar

El Tomboto, Saturday, 25 January 2020 00:58 (four days ago) link

I kinda stopped wearing undershirts some time ago. No one has noticed or cared; also my dress shirts are unbesmirched, armpitwise, as far as I can tell.

Your armpits may vary, of course, but I definitely seem to sweat less when I wear one shirt instead of two.

Okay, you're an ambulance (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 25 January 2020 05:54 (four days ago) link

question: is the wearing of “undershirts” or not a US/UK divide. i associated it v much with the US. i myself will *very* rarely wear a tee under a shirt being more likely to stick a jumper on top.

i say US/UK tho suspect it may be europe/rest of world thing.

Fizzles, Saturday, 25 January 2020 21:12 (four days ago) link

or possibly a “me v rest of world” thing idk.

Fizzles, Saturday, 25 January 2020 21:13 (four days ago) link

I'm American and dislike wearing undershirts

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:01 (four days ago) link

I don’t recall ever seeing anyone do it or it occurring to me to do it in the UK.

Certainly seems the done thing over here though, to the extent i did it myself until I moved to California (where I now wear slides and basketball shorts and a bin bag).

Perhaps everyone in the UK was doing except me but they werent vulgar enough to allow the T-shirt to show at the throat (vneck or tie).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:06 (four days ago) link

Warmer climate in much of the US, maybe?

Okay, you're an ambulance (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:11 (four days ago) link

i'm not a guy but I assumed it was because of i) nipple coverage ii) chest hair coverage iii) too much temperature variation between buildings/outside iv) save the armpits of nicer shirts or iv)easier to change out of business clothes later

Yerac, Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:27 (four days ago) link

The lovely Emma B (French) thinks undershirts are weird. I’m American and wear them all the time. I feel like they help keep my real button-down shirts cleaner longer. And then I wear them as pajama tops! So versatile. Now you know my whole routine. I should have live-journaled this.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:27 (four days ago) link

yeah warmer climate is a strong possibility, but a significant fraction of the people who wear shirts to work in the UK commute on the tube, which is hotter than the sun iirc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 25 January 2020 22:50 (four days ago) link

I've worked for a couple of weeks at two offices in canary wharf and I really do think most men wear an undershirt of some kind under their button downs. I really think it would've been noticeable if they didn't.

Yerac, Saturday, 25 January 2020 23:30 (four days ago) link

hmmm, i see they used to just wear a vest/tank top.

Yerac, Saturday, 25 January 2020 23:38 (four days ago) link

My impressionistic memory of UK business menswear 1996-1999 was that there were way more spread collars there (relative to point collars and button-down collars). Also UK men's ties had way bulkier knots (presumably Windsor and half-Windsor).

I didn't undress any businessmen (as far as I remember) so I don't know what they had on underneath.

Okay, you're an ambulance (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 26 January 2020 02:34 (three days ago) link

i don't think it's necessary to take a hard and fast position on undershirts, but in the winter they can be an extra layer and in the summer they can keep your real shirt dry if you tend to sweat and have to spend time outside. i do loathe exposed undershirts which almost never look nice, and advocate the v-neck if you usually have your top button undone.

i have observed what i would term an NYC young professional bro thing where guys wear tight-fitting, fine cotton solid dress shirts without an undershirt and find it to be a weird and tacky choice.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 26 January 2020 03:43 (three days ago) link

I liked undershirts when I was thin. They made me look bulked out and strongish. When I got chobbo they just accentuated the insulation around my torso, and pressed against the optimistically low-numbered waistband of my trousers.

rb (soda), Sunday, 26 January 2020 04:02 (three days ago) link

American here and can’t imagine not wearing a button up without an undershirt. For me it’s mostly because I run warm and almost always feel the need to shed layers. A button up with no undershirt is a commitment. Plus, what Tracer said about needing to wash them less often. I think I traded button ups for hoodies for the office around the time I hit 40.

beard papa, Sunday, 26 January 2020 04:35 (three days ago) link

same for me and underpants. i run warm and almost always feel the need to shed layers. trousers without underpants is a commitment.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 26 January 2020 05:41 (three days ago) link


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