ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

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idk, do we have one of these? i've been trying to up my style game recently and thought it might be good to have a thread to post stuff i like, get the occasional opinion, etc. open to all, anything from business dress to casual etc.etc. maybe i should just get a pinterest or something.

*i'd like this thread to be about actual clothes ppl are wearing or considering wearing, there's an ile thread if you want to talk about the menswear blogosphere or make fun of stuff.

anyway, i don't have much occasion to wear ties, but i saw this on sale and became sort of obsessed with it so just placed the order. i want to wear it at thanksgiving or christmas:

http://www.drakes-london.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/517x579/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/9/a9wb.55065.001_m.jpg

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 03:54 (nine years ago) link

i like this etsy seller's ties:

https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5912974/il_570xN.279574838.jpg

just1n3, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 05:05 (nine years ago) link

xpost wear it to an iggles game idk :)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 05:29 (nine years ago) link

I guess I need to wear a tie to my job interviews next week but just realised I only have wedding/party ties.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 11:46 (nine years ago) link

I need a fashion upgrade, I just feel like a schlub with most of my biz cas at work. I've always just gotten dockers to wear to work, because they're cheap and I've had trouble staying the same pants size over the course of my adult life. I never wanted to drop the coin on nicer pants because I knew in 6 months I would not fit in them. Plus I wear those dockers the fuck out. They are frazzled around the legs and the waist, all of them. Since I've been able to basically stay the same weight for the last year and a half now, I think it may be time to consider something better.

As for shirts, I have about 14 of the same kind of shirt, just in different colors/patterns. They are fine, but again, I've worn them the fuck out. Also, I have a bunch of mediums that don't fit as well as the few smalls that I have. I always buy them on sale, so it's hard to stumble upon the correct size, and I always seem to get heavily patterned ones, nothing basic.

I've considered trying out this service: http://hallmadden.com/ Seems like a good deal if the quality is there? In a year I would have a good shirt collection.

Don't even get me started on my shoes.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:11 (nine years ago) link

Bottom of my shoes currently. el oh el

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5486/9458816502_677037dd49.jpg

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:17 (nine years ago) link

I started wearing Dockers this year because I had problems splitting the seat of all the mid-range, Macy's-bought wool dress pants (Nautica, Calvin Klein, etc.) I had been wearing. It was a choice between spending all this damn money getting them dry cleaned and mended all the damn time or buying a new pair of pants for $35 a couple times a year. I'm pretty happy with the Dockers, but yeah, one of them has the makings of a hole in the knee already because my legs don't fit into the seats on my commuter bus.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:21 (nine years ago) link

I've had too many run-ins with shirt sizes to buy by anything but collar size measurement unless I can try it on.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:25 (nine years ago) link

Also, I sprung $150 for a pair of Ecco's a few years ago. They're comfortable, but they emit a horrible squeak when I walk across polished floors. Since I won't be able to afford another $150 to drop on shoes in the near future, fuck it, I'm just going to squeak everywhere I go.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:29 (nine years ago) link

I've considered trying out this service: http://hallmadden.com/ Seems like a good deal if the quality is there? In a year I would have a good shirt collection.

this is interesting. the guys who started it have a decent rep for their suits, i think. i don't like that you sign up for the service without ever trying a shirt--i think they should send you one to start sizing and let you assess the quality (if you've only been wearing s/m/l, go to a tailor or nice clothing store and get measured for your shirt size!). also it is all or nothing--you keep the three shirts or return them all. i assume that means they're going with pretty safe fabrics, colors, and patterns--fine if you're not picky.

getting them dry cleaned and mended all the damn time

how often were you dry cleaning your pants?

I've had too many run-ins with shirt sizes to buy by anything but collar size measurement unless I can try it on.

agreed. i had a longstanding no s/m/l shirts policy that i recently broke for some cheap j. crew casual button up shirts for summer. they fit great through my torso and had enormous sleeves (which was not a problem since i only wore them with the sleeves cuffed).

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:08 (nine years ago) link

how often were you dry cleaning your pants?

Not enough for them to actually be clean or unwrinkled most of the time.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:16 (nine years ago) link

It may just be the quality I was buying, but every shirt that I've got based on neck size has been voluminous everywhere else.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:31 (nine years ago) link

u need slim fit

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:31 (nine years ago) link

yep

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:34 (nine years ago) link

buying fitted shirts changed my life

click here to start exploding (ledge), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:34 (nine years ago) link

Is there a medium fit? I need to find something between wearing a balloon with a collar and wearing a corset.

THE WORINÐLVE (DJP), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:35 (nine years ago) link

Try different brands I guess? Some give chest/sleeve measurements as well as collar size.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:38 (nine years ago) link

Maybe I just need a thinner neck!!

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:39 (nine years ago) link

if you want to be super anal you can get a measuring tape and take some basic measurements on the best-fitting shirt you have to compare to web sizing info (or be even crazier and bring your measuring tape to the store too). i've taken to doing this with things like leg openings on pants.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:05 (nine years ago) link

i don't think that is super anal, i think that is just good sense. shopping online without knowing your preferred measurements is a complete crapshoot

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:09 (nine years ago) link

SUPER anal is keeping your measurements in an evernote doc so you always have them available on your phone, not that i know anyone who does that

max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:16 (nine years ago) link

i bought a custom shirt from these dudes http://www.blacklapel.com have not recieved yet, will report back

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:42 (nine years ago) link

the thing abt all the custom clothes sites is none of them really have the best style but we will see i feel like they should be able to handle a white dress shirt, itd b rad to be able to get some cool ass costom suits of the nets or w/e tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:43 (nine years ago) link

i feel like custom / MTM shirt sites have become a huge trend in men's online retail in the past 5 years or so, there are SO MANY

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:47 (nine years ago) link

yeah there are tons. do let us know about your experience w/blacklapel, jho.

i got a shirt made for my wedding at a mtm shirt tailor in boston (they basically follow the web model in that the sewing is done in hong kong, but someone measures you irl) and i was a little disappointed that the resulting shirt still had tons of billowing in the back when i tucked it in. kind of soured me on the cheap-ish mtm concept. i just bought an off the rack shirt from these guys - http://www.ledbury.com that fit me perfectly through the torso (which is kind of a big deal because i'm not a small guy and really don't need any fabric pooling near my waist).

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:55 (nine years ago) link

got stuff from barneys warehouse dot com yesterday

this rag n bone unit

http://i.imgur.com/7QIMZdO.jpg

couple ties

http://i.imgur.com/jkO82ci.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ePZvwoP.jpg

a shirt

http://i.imgur.com/VzYvCYh.jpg

and these apcs

http://i.imgur.com/ZzP95cc.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:06 (nine years ago) link

i feel like custom / MTM shirt sites have become a huge trend in men's online retail in the past 5 years or so, there are SO MANY

― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:47 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya its a p amazing concept imho they keep yr measurements and then you can just order whenever, we will see re the exicuction

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:07 (nine years ago) link

my menswear story is I have moths in my closet

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (nine years ago) link

bummer central

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (nine years ago) link

put some moth balls int here

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (nine years ago) link

oh man i know it's coming but i'm so not ready for the rehabiliation of light wash jeans

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (nine years ago) link

lol

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (nine years ago) link

I've been wearing short shorts lately the prostitutes outside call me "legs"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (nine years ago) link

ha!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (nine years ago) link

i love that jacket, jho

horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (nine years ago) link

agree & the liberty tie is p sweet too

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (nine years ago) link

oh man i know it's coming but i'm so not ready for the rehabiliation of light wash jeans

― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:08 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol when u can get apcs for $80 maybe people just arent ready yet

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (nine years ago) link

tho tbh i think its already happened, im always here for you tho if you need to talk

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (nine years ago) link

thanking you all xp

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:11 (nine years ago) link

yeah that's a sweet haul though I share elmo's suspicion of the chillwavey jeans

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:11 (nine years ago) link

theyre so luscious im just gonna luxuriate in them shits

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:13 (nine years ago) link

haha nah it's cool, i just don't think i'll be climbing into any dad jeans soon

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:15 (nine years ago) link

feel like dad jeans are more abt the cut, tho obvs the color factors in too

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:16 (nine years ago) link

i love the truly insane things in barney's warehouse like this coat.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:16 (nine years ago) link

yeah they carry a p funny mix of stuff

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:17 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/OqmFsIi.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:19 (nine years ago) link

it's kind of sad to see things like that coat consigned to an outlet, like, i'm sure its designer was so proud of it

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:20 (nine years ago) link

ok wtf is that

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:20 (nine years ago) link

that shit is glorious

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:21 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/2WfRI7S.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:22 (nine years ago) link

i do have teva brand flip flops, very well made ive had them for years

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:41 (three months ago) link

vans no socks i guess are really my sandals, my going out sandals

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:42 (three months ago) link

they’re not good for walking more than a mile either

the late great, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:43 (three months ago) link

its just #vanslife

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:49 (three months ago) link

i was thinking about customizing a pair of these since the leather sandals tend to get destroyed quick by salt water. i like how they look w/ a white base and dark green straps (sort of stan smith vibe) but still trying to come up w a blue/gold strap on white base combo as an expression of golden bears / tritons school spirit

https://www.chacos.com/US/en/customizable-men%27s-chillos/45459M.html?#icid=customize-pdp

the late great, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:49 (three months ago) link

i did finally make the shameful compromise of switching from authentics to eras this year

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:51 (three months ago) link

“chillos” sounds like slang for friends from a venice beach version of clockwork orange

the late great, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:51 (three months ago) link

nothin better than doing a murder with your best chillos

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:53 (three months ago) link

“ho me chillos, how bout a spot of ultraviolence after we get sushi and not pay”

sadly at 45 vans are no longer orthopedically feasible. i actually do see ppl in their 60s and up wearing them all the time but they’re usually sitting down or not moving a whole lot

the late great, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:54 (three months ago) link

time waits for no bro

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:57 (three months ago) link

I have been having tendonitis in my left ankle/foot for almost at least 9 mos now. Doctor prescribed me Hoka's, which are these supercushiony running shoes. They are so thick I refer to them as my orthotic shoes (I am almost 50).

Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 23:13 (three months ago) link

i like hokas crazy lookin shoes

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 23:15 (three months ago) link

i’m intrigued by them but not sure i’m ready

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 23:52 (three months ago) link

They seem to be doing the trick. Just feel like stilts the first couple hours.

Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 23:57 (three months ago) link

hmm cross thread shoe action with the running thread at the moment! hokas are bad for your feet go minimal do foot and toe training for tendonitis.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:00 (three months ago) link

jk don't listen to me

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:00 (three months ago) link

Look, if you're gonna wear Tevas you gotta get the most ridiculous lizard print ones or ikat so you can look like a summer camp counsellor ca. 1994. Forget about trying to make them look stylish.

I wear them all the time myself but they are very rough on my ankles if i walk in them for miles. I don't know how anyone goes hiking in those things.

Usually I'll grab a gently used pair off ebay for $15-20 (because that's what I think they're worth) and give em a good scrub.

Yes they're long lasting. I had one pair that I wore for years until they got washed away by the incoming tide while i was swimming and I had to go home barefoot.

They're so perfect for beach-going in fact that i found another pair straight away despite owning several other sandals.

I've only had one pair of vans, slip ons which i wore sockless (I hate socks) and they are cool looking but super uncomfortable and cause blisters even when thoroughly broken in (i mean to the point of falling apart which didn't even take that long). Honestly they are so overpriced, they are the biggest racket going other than, like, vinyl reissues. What sorcery is this that they have people lining up to buy these crappy shoes that hurt to wear and fall apart in a matter of months?

flip flops suck and i hate em

pool sliders too

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:20 (three months ago) link

xp just saw Kero Kero Bonito and Sarah was wearing giant black Hokas under her white gown on stage.

bulb after bulb, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:21 (three months ago) link

hmm cross thread shoe action with the running thread at the moment! hokas are bad for your feet go minimal do foot and toe training for tendonitis.

I'm no expert but I know the Hokas feel better. Absolutely agree that foot/ankle exercises have made the biggest difference.

Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:15 (three months ago) link

Funny, just a couple days ago my wife made reference to "you know those chunky sneakers that are really hip now, Hokas" and I was like "What? You mean those dorky running shoes that I get ads for on instagram? I thought those were like the new Brooks"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:09 (three months ago) link

fwiw some of them do look relatively nice, but they definitely look to me like "I take myself really seriously as a RUNNER" and not so much a fashion statement

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:12 (three months ago) link

feel like i've seen a lot of service industry people wearing them recently--they strike me as more of an all-day comfort shoe than something for runners

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:42 (three months ago) link

they're def marketed as shoes for runners
https://www.hoka.com/en/us/

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:00 (three months ago) link

tons of nurses wear hokas, they're definitely thought of as a comfortable shoe for industry people on their feet. Hoka speedgoats are supposed to be good trail runners, but it's really about what your preference is in terms of needing a lot of support. I'm def leaning towards the barefoot/zero drop camp at this point.

Bongo Jongus, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:52 (three months ago) link

I have been radicalized into the barefoot camp

Bongo Jongus, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:53 (three months ago) link

Hokas are definitely (also) for running and have pretty vocal adherents. I don't wear them for running (knee problems), but I wear them to the gym. My wife is a serious runner and she tried them in the past and wasn't a fan, so different strokes.

Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:18 (three months ago) link

not a serious runner but I do prefer less cushion/support generally in running or athletic shoes, just feels like my foot more naturally does what it's supposed to do that way

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 12:59 (three months ago) link

hmm cross thread shoe action with the running thread at the moment! hokas are bad for your feet go minimal do foot and toe training for tendonitis.

I'm no expert but I know the Hokas feel better. Absolutely agree that foot/ankle exercises have made the biggest difference.

― Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:15 AM (fourteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, yeah, this is good - wouldn't pretend to give actual advice about tendonitis.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:29 (three months ago) link

like i'm pretty sure that if you're running in cushy shoes with a higher heel than toe, it's easier to get away with heel striking which leads to plantar fascitis.

my tendonitis issue is located just above my inner ankle and as far as fixing it with different shoes goes i haven't really had any success yet.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:35 (three months ago) link

Mine is from playing ultimate in adidas copa mondials. Talk about low profile.

Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 16:07 (three months ago) link

xp I’ve got tendinitis (self diagnosed) in the same spot and I swear I got it the first time I went to LA and spent an extraordinary amount of time stop-and-go driving.

What sort of exercises do you do?

joygoat, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:36 (three months ago) link

As for shoe content I had never seen hokas before in the Midwest but every third person in Portland was wearing them a few weeks ago, never while running though.

joygoat, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:38 (three months ago) link

i looked at the hokas website and they all look extremely diabetescore (a term i think i first encountered on this thread?)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:06 (three months ago) link

What sort of exercises do you do?

― joygoat, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:36 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i need to emphasize that what i'm trying is not pt-directed in any way or based on any scientific authority whatsoever, just on 'oh that looks interesting i'll give it a try' and so far my tendonitis is a little less acute but not better.

i did visit a podiatrist who specializes in running form a year ago about it. she gave me a weeks worth of steroids and told me to use my big toes to push forward and that was about it. my form got better, the tendonitis got less severe but still hangs around.

i suspect that it has something to do with how my right foot rolls out which seems connected to the alignment situation of my whole right leg.

i've been doing funny walks as seen here for general foot strength. i don't know how this will affect the tendonitis and i've only been doing it for two weeks but my feet feel stronger at least.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:00 (three months ago) link

I sat next to a guy on a plane recently who seemed to be pretty high up at lululemon's new shoe brand. The material he was looking at on his laptop was pretty interesting in terms of how shoe brands position themselves (small brands like Hoka, On and Altra are growing quite rapidly with online advertising), and basically after 24 years old most of the market stops caring about fashion/style. I'm not in marketing and haven't really worked for a large company so it was also pretty funny to see how stupid marketing is overall, as there were a bunch of slides that were like "How does Supreme do it???? (We are not Supreme)" and it had pictures of the $500 Supreme terra cotta flower pots or whatever. Anyway, really just made me want to go barefoot and call it a day.

Bongo Jongus, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:06 (three months ago) link

the ig account i linked above has been very persuasive to me personally about minimalist vs maximalist footwear. but i also feel like the body just decays over time, especially tendons and joints and stuff, and there's nothing we can really do to prevent that so we might as well make ourselves as comfortable as possible.

and also i am now that guy who wears toe shoes to work. is that the kind of midlife crisis you want? if not, definitely disregard all of this lol.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:13 (three months ago) link

who itt does toe socks and flipflops

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:24 (three months ago) link

marcus filly kinda more culty than kneesovertoes dude but both are p cool for bringing the menswear thread one step closer to raw organ meat diet

Bongo Jongus, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:28 (three months ago) link

i wear birkenstocks 12 months of the year, and socks with them 3 months. (i hate it here btw.)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:01 (three months ago) link

Re: tendonitis, mine is on the outside, not inside, but initial PT exercises were exterior flexion with resistance bands and I assume you could to the same thing with interior flexion.

Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:23 (three months ago) link

I wearing cheap flip flops or slides in the summer if not working or walking too far and Salomon trail runners or winter boots the rest of the year.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:08 (three months ago) link

love hokas

flopson, Saturday, 2 July 2022 15:56 (three months ago) link

I am way late to this but I went years and years w/o sandals and I begrudgingly bought a pair of Tevas for a camping trip last year and I LOVE them, I got this goofy 90s colorway and I really love them a lot and even wear them to like run erradns and shit in

https://au.teva.com/dw/image/v2/BDFS_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-teva-master-catalog/default/dwa4912fb4/images/T1004006/T1004006BRMLT_1.jpg

music for A★TEENS’ musicians (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 3 July 2022 15:58 (three months ago) link

sometimes I wear them w a black t-shirt, shorts, and socks for a fun "look"

music for A★TEENS’ musicians (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 3 July 2022 15:59 (three months ago) link

those are awesome!

TWELVE Michelob stars?!? (seandalai), Sunday, 3 July 2022 21:35 (three months ago) link

yeah I saw those on the site, they're nice.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 4 July 2022 04:14 (three months ago) link

I bought these

ihttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0270/9297/5686/products/TheBeatnutsSlippers_1296x.jpg

xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 4 July 2022 22:54 (three months ago) link

Good brand for swim trunks? I've had the same crappy pair from Target for like 5 years now and it's time to move on. I should note that I am not extremely slim, more in the dadbod category.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 July 2022 21:38 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

tlg i ordered a pair of rainbow flipflops to my parents' house and i am wearing them now and they're awesome. i love them. i walked about 10 miles on the south downs in sussex with them because i developed a blister from my boots lol. they are still in perfect shape.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 8 August 2022 19:46 (one month ago) link


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