ils thread for general menswear and men's clothing ish

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idk, do we have one of these? i've been trying to up my style game recently and thought it might be good to have a thread to post stuff i like, get the occasional opinion, etc. open to all, anything from business dress to casual etc.etc. maybe i should just get a pinterest or something.

*i'd like this thread to be about actual clothes ppl are wearing or considering wearing, there's an ile thread if you want to talk about the menswear blogosphere or make fun of stuff.

anyway, i don't have much occasion to wear ties, but i saw this on sale and became sort of obsessed with it so just placed the order. i want to wear it at thanksgiving or christmas:

http://www.drakes-london.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/517x579/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/9/a9wb.55065.001_m.jpg

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 03:54 (seven years ago) link

i like this etsy seller's ties:

https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5912974/il_570xN.279574838.jpg

just1n3, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 05:05 (seven years ago) link

xpost wear it to an iggles game idk :)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 05:29 (seven years ago) link

I guess I need to wear a tie to my job interviews next week but just realised I only have wedding/party ties.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 11:46 (seven years ago) link

I need a fashion upgrade, I just feel like a schlub with most of my biz cas at work. I've always just gotten dockers to wear to work, because they're cheap and I've had trouble staying the same pants size over the course of my adult life. I never wanted to drop the coin on nicer pants because I knew in 6 months I would not fit in them. Plus I wear those dockers the fuck out. They are frazzled around the legs and the waist, all of them. Since I've been able to basically stay the same weight for the last year and a half now, I think it may be time to consider something better.

As for shirts, I have about 14 of the same kind of shirt, just in different colors/patterns. They are fine, but again, I've worn them the fuck out. Also, I have a bunch of mediums that don't fit as well as the few smalls that I have. I always buy them on sale, so it's hard to stumble upon the correct size, and I always seem to get heavily patterned ones, nothing basic.

I've considered trying out this service: http://hallmadden.com/ Seems like a good deal if the quality is there? In a year I would have a good shirt collection.

Don't even get me started on my shoes.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:11 (seven years ago) link

Bottom of my shoes currently. el oh el

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5486/9458816502_677037dd49.jpg

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:17 (seven years ago) link

I started wearing Dockers this year because I had problems splitting the seat of all the mid-range, Macy's-bought wool dress pants (Nautica, Calvin Klein, etc.) I had been wearing. It was a choice between spending all this damn money getting them dry cleaned and mended all the damn time or buying a new pair of pants for $35 a couple times a year. I'm pretty happy with the Dockers, but yeah, one of them has the makings of a hole in the knee already because my legs don't fit into the seats on my commuter bus.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:21 (seven years ago) link

I've had too many run-ins with shirt sizes to buy by anything but collar size measurement unless I can try it on.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:25 (seven years ago) link

Also, I sprung $150 for a pair of Ecco's a few years ago. They're comfortable, but they emit a horrible squeak when I walk across polished floors. Since I won't be able to afford another $150 to drop on shoes in the near future, fuck it, I'm just going to squeak everywhere I go.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 12:29 (seven years ago) link

I've considered trying out this service: http://hallmadden.com/ Seems like a good deal if the quality is there? In a year I would have a good shirt collection.

this is interesting. the guys who started it have a decent rep for their suits, i think. i don't like that you sign up for the service without ever trying a shirt--i think they should send you one to start sizing and let you assess the quality (if you've only been wearing s/m/l, go to a tailor or nice clothing store and get measured for your shirt size!). also it is all or nothing--you keep the three shirts or return them all. i assume that means they're going with pretty safe fabrics, colors, and patterns--fine if you're not picky.

getting them dry cleaned and mended all the damn time

how often were you dry cleaning your pants?

I've had too many run-ins with shirt sizes to buy by anything but collar size measurement unless I can try it on.

agreed. i had a longstanding no s/m/l shirts policy that i recently broke for some cheap j. crew casual button up shirts for summer. they fit great through my torso and had enormous sleeves (which was not a problem since i only wore them with the sleeves cuffed).

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:08 (seven years ago) link

how often were you dry cleaning your pants?

Not enough for them to actually be clean or unwrinkled most of the time.

how's life, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:16 (seven years ago) link

It may just be the quality I was buying, but every shirt that I've got based on neck size has been voluminous everywhere else.

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:31 (seven years ago) link

u need slim fit

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:31 (seven years ago) link

yep

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:34 (seven years ago) link

buying fitted shirts changed my life

click here to start exploding (ledge), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:34 (seven years ago) link

Is there a medium fit? I need to find something between wearing a balloon with a collar and wearing a corset.

THE WORINÐLVE (DJP), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:35 (seven years ago) link

Try different brands I guess? Some give chest/sleeve measurements as well as collar size.

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:38 (seven years ago) link

Maybe I just need a thinner neck!!

Jeff, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:39 (seven years ago) link

if you want to be super anal you can get a measuring tape and take some basic measurements on the best-fitting shirt you have to compare to web sizing info (or be even crazier and bring your measuring tape to the store too). i've taken to doing this with things like leg openings on pants.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:05 (seven years ago) link

i don't think that is super anal, i think that is just good sense. shopping online without knowing your preferred measurements is a complete crapshoot

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:09 (seven years ago) link

SUPER anal is keeping your measurements in an evernote doc so you always have them available on your phone, not that i know anyone who does that

max, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:16 (seven years ago) link

i bought a custom shirt from these dudes http://www.blacklapel.com have not recieved yet, will report back

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:42 (seven years ago) link

the thing abt all the custom clothes sites is none of them really have the best style but we will see i feel like they should be able to handle a white dress shirt, itd b rad to be able to get some cool ass costom suits of the nets or w/e tho

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:43 (seven years ago) link

i feel like custom / MTM shirt sites have become a huge trend in men's online retail in the past 5 years or so, there are SO MANY

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:47 (seven years ago) link

yeah there are tons. do let us know about your experience w/blacklapel, jho.

i got a shirt made for my wedding at a mtm shirt tailor in boston (they basically follow the web model in that the sewing is done in hong kong, but someone measures you irl) and i was a little disappointed that the resulting shirt still had tons of billowing in the back when i tucked it in. kind of soured me on the cheap-ish mtm concept. i just bought an off the rack shirt from these guys - http://www.ledbury.com that fit me perfectly through the torso (which is kind of a big deal because i'm not a small guy and really don't need any fabric pooling near my waist).

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 15:55 (seven years ago) link

got stuff from barneys warehouse dot com yesterday

this rag n bone unit

http://i.imgur.com/7QIMZdO.jpg

couple ties

http://i.imgur.com/jkO82ci.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ePZvwoP.jpg

a shirt

http://i.imgur.com/VzYvCYh.jpg

and these apcs

http://i.imgur.com/ZzP95cc.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:06 (seven years ago) link

i feel like custom / MTM shirt sites have become a huge trend in men's online retail in the past 5 years or so, there are SO MANY

― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:47 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya its a p amazing concept imho they keep yr measurements and then you can just order whenever, we will see re the exicuction

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:07 (seven years ago) link

my menswear story is I have moths in my closet

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (seven years ago) link

bummer central

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (seven years ago) link

put some moth balls int here

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (seven years ago) link

oh man i know it's coming but i'm so not ready for the rehabiliation of light wash jeans

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (seven years ago) link

lol

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:08 (seven years ago) link

I've been wearing short shorts lately the prostitutes outside call me "legs"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (seven years ago) link

ha!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (seven years ago) link

i love that jacket, jho

horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:09 (seven years ago) link

agree & the liberty tie is p sweet too

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (seven years ago) link

oh man i know it's coming but i'm so not ready for the rehabiliation of light wash jeans

― ⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:08 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol when u can get apcs for $80 maybe people just arent ready yet

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (seven years ago) link

tho tbh i think its already happened, im always here for you tho if you need to talk

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:10 (seven years ago) link

thanking you all xp

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:11 (seven years ago) link

yeah that's a sweet haul though I share elmo's suspicion of the chillwavey jeans

Please review your choices carefully. (seandalai), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:11 (seven years ago) link

theyre so luscious im just gonna luxuriate in them shits

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:13 (seven years ago) link

haha nah it's cool, i just don't think i'll be climbing into any dad jeans soon

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:15 (seven years ago) link

feel like dad jeans are more abt the cut, tho obvs the color factors in too

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:16 (seven years ago) link

i love the truly insane things in barney's warehouse like this coat.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah they carry a p funny mix of stuff

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:17 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/OqmFsIi.jpg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:19 (seven years ago) link

it's kind of sad to see things like that coat consigned to an outlet, like, i'm sure its designer was so proud of it

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:20 (seven years ago) link

ok wtf is that

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:20 (seven years ago) link

that shit is glorious

⚓ (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:21 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/2WfRI7S.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 August 2013 16:22 (seven years ago) link

Been wearing a navy no-brand N1 deck jacket this winter. I've been enjoying it. Warm, bulky, comforting.


saw this at the last book fap thought it was a strong look. favourite look at the moment is grey flannels and merino wool polo neck. still rocking my old town cords, which are a great brick rich brown


https://imgur.com/a/sPDUCz1

Fizzles, Saturday, 7 March 2020 08:21 (eight months ago) link

https://imgur.com/a/sPDUCz1

Fizzles, Saturday, 7 March 2020 08:21 (eight months ago) link

ah fuck yers

Fizzles, Saturday, 7 March 2020 08:22 (eight months ago) link

there are no lace slip on onitsuka tigers.

― Yerac, Tuesday, March 3, 2020 1:08 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

misread this as "there are no lace slip on onitsuka tigers", which is also true.

☮️ (peace, man), Saturday, 7 March 2020 13:01 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Apologies if this was covered upthread, but how do you all find online stores or reliable resources for clothes? It seems like a good time to support smaller businesses and I need some stuff, but I’m also bored by a lot of clothes. There is also only one good menswear store within a 70 mile radius of where I live (and of course it is closed for the time being), so online is necessary. I’m looking for general recommendations but here is what I need right now:

1) jackets! For late spring/early summer (I am in the northeast). I don’t mind paying a little extra for something that lasts, but I want something that is both for everyday use but has some character. I’m also looking for a second jacket that’s light but a little longer that I can wear while riding my bike. Everything seems too long or too short for that.

2) Shoes. I’m not much a sneaker guy but I can be persuaded. Again this is sort of for everyday but something that looks good and can maybe take a little wear. I’m also looking for good (maybe waterproof?) hiking boots. Seems like I’m going to be found a lot of that now...

3) T-shirts. I wear a lot of t-shirts but it’s hard to find well made ones. I am not afraid of patterns in the least.

4)Pajamas ! My wife got me a pajama set and I’m really into those now, but a lot of them are a bit too dad-like (NB I am a dad, I just prefer not to dress like one). Where to find?

Things I don’t want:
- any more denim
- plaid
- khaki

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 18:57 (seven months ago) link

Again this may have been discussed, but it seems like a lot of menswear brands (in the US anyway) are all about beards, railroads, battered guitar cases, whiskey, etc. What are the other aesthetics for dads-but-not-DADS?

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:04 (seven months ago) link

can you share some places you've shopped in the past and gotten stuff you like? or brands you like?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:19 (seven months ago) link

Hmmm...that’s a good question! I bought a few things from Frank + Oak (https://www.frankandoak.com/) that I liked a lot, but lately they haven’t been exciting me as much. I used to go to American Rag (https://americanrag.com/) when I was in Los Angeles. I sometimes like James Dant (https://jamesdant.com/) when I go to Indianapolis, although they have a lot of the beard thing going on. And I go to the aforementioned Jackson + Connor (https://www.jacksonandconnor.com/) here in Western Mass, which I like, but it can be pricey.

I think I’m mainly curious about how people find filters and “curators” for clothes info now. A lot of this has to to with me getting old (and trimming my beard)...

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:28 (seven months ago) link

Where have you gone, J. Peterman, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you

no one ever is to blave (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:55 (seven months ago) link

Haha

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:15 (seven months ago) link

i need to check out jackson and connor next time i'm in northampton (whenever that is given current circumstances)! i had no idea there was a menswear shop in thornes marketplace.

admittedly i'm not paying attention as closely as i was a few years ago but i get the sense that the beard/workwear thing is finally passing. that american rag site is pushing a lot of patterned shirts and stuff that seems to take its inspiration for 40s/50s casualwear. i've noticed the same thing at todd snyder which has become my favorite brand for a lot of basics; their spring collection has like bowling shirts and tipped polos and loud prints.

i know what you mean as far as needing to find new filters/sources of inspiration. i'm kind of set on heritage pieces and even pre-pandemic i was WFH so much that i don't need a ton of presentable clothes. but i still enjoy seeing what's new and picking up cool stuff here and there.

for your list i'd fall back on some classics for a few of the asks. the barracuta G9 is the perfect spring jacket. i feel great every time i wear it. for everyday non-sneakers i'd look at american-made moc boots. i am going to need to revisit t-shirts myself and find some good ones for the coming warm weather. my endless supply of gray j. crew v-necks is getting pretty worn.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 April 2020 01:27 (seven months ago) link

North Korea's Kim Jong Un oversees military drill ahead of national assembly meeting https://t.co/JGP8lHhcOb pic.twitter.com/iD5x4S2Pxc

— Reuters (@Reuters) April 10, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 10 April 2020 03:28 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

i went down a serious rabbithole yesterday looking for a replacement for my all-in-one warm-and-waterproof-and-yet-lightweight jacket from Army & Navy (a House of Fraser sub-brand that no longer exists).

i found the snugpak torrent:
https://www.snugpak.com/outdoor/clothing/torrent

the patagonia torrentshell for half the price (what is it with torrents??)
https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-torrentshell-rain-jacket/83802.html

and then some pretty high-end options, like the paramo alta iii:
https://www.paramo-clothing.com/en-gb/explore-range/product/?pk=7E4E57C9-1B9D-4E57-A523-45E45CA56D38&attributes=5A01410B-7BF6-46CC-8A97-FFEA0A577F6E

and the outdoor research interstellar ascent:
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/mens-interstellar-jacket-271501?search_result=1

now i recognise that most of these are going to make me look like a cliffwalking pensioner and i don't care. i want something that i can wear every day in the cold, and keep the rain off me, but not make me too hot if it's like 8 degrees out. and can double as a ski jacket. but man my brain just started turning to jelly looking at all this stuff. the TECHNICAL shit, the pit vents, the high-riding zips that won't get hidden by your belt pouch. you've got a belt pouch, right?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 June 2020 21:25 (five months ago) link

man it's june i can't look at these!

call all destroyer, Monday, 8 June 2020 21:30 (five months ago) link

THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 June 2020 21:58 (five months ago) link

lmao my dad (72, peak district regular) has that paramo jacket

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 June 2020 22:03 (five months ago) link

for something so ostensibly simple, I feel you on the "why so complicated????" thing

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 01:34 (five months ago) link

you shop at https? cause your outfit is ://

— Derek Guy (@dieworkwear) June 14, 2020

... (Eazy), Sunday, 14 June 2020 22:51 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

is everyone else's feed full of ads for fancy face masks now

seandalai, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:49 (four months ago) link

my Instagram ads are half masks half pizza

Clay, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:58 (four months ago) link

where can I buy one?

this has been the best year fuiud (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 July 2020 01:20 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

i'm getting married on new year's eve and need to pick a tie. my suit is a charcoal "ludlow" suit from j.crew (nothing fancy) and both me and the other men in the wedding are wearing white dress shirts. each of them is wearing either a charcoal or a navy suit. my shoes and belt are black.

any ideas? i want to do something "life affirming" but still wintry. if it matters, the wedding is at a church in manhattan. i ordered a hunter green linen tie but it didn't really do it for me.

would a solid burgundy be good? or some kind of stripe? i don't like ties that are too "glossy" but i don't want to be informal. whenever i look up wedding outfits it seems forced. would a plaid tie of some kind work with a charcoal suit?

treeship., Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:17 (one month ago) link

how exciting! congratulations. so, i tend to be pretty conservative on these things, but my thinking is that with dark, solid suits and white shirts, a plaid is going to draw a lot of attention. in particular, you don't want you and your groomsmen to look like christmas decorations that need to be boxed up for next year.

i think a solid burgundy or a stripe with a predominant burgundy is a great place to start. consider material as well--linen isn't going to work on dec. 31. i would be looking for grenadine knits or wool ties that have some weight to them. if i have some time later i'll poke around for some specific ideas.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:36 (one month ago) link

A grenadine tie is a good suggestion! You can get some decent ones from Charles Tyrwhitt: https://www.ctshirts.com/us/silk-grenadine-italian-luxury-tie---burgundy/TIL0482BGD.html?pf=pdp_colour_swatch

There's also such a think as a 'wedding tie' which means things like fine checks, houndstooth patterns, etc. usually in shades of gray or somewhat close. Here's one that's in wool, so it will be wintery but still somewhat refined: https://www.thetiebar.com/product/TIE-4941-0174

This one too: https://www.thetiebar.com/product/TIE-2033-0001

Or this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Ralph-Lauren-Purple-Label-Silk-Tie-Made-in-Italy-Black-and-Silver/373114607291?hash=item56df5d16bb:g:AaIAAOSwhQhY6IH3

You can also do small prints ('neats).

Whatever you choose, I'd try to find a tie in a width that is somewhat similar to the width of the lapels on your jacket. It'll look a bit more unified.

chinavision!, Saturday, 10 October 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

er, typos, and on second look the first Tie Bar example I posted isn't as much of a true check as I thought, but you get the idea

chinavision!, Saturday, 10 October 2020 15:57 (one month ago) link

Congratulations - and grenadine thirded. I wore charcoal suit + green grenadine tie from Drake's for my wedding.

woof, Saturday, 10 October 2020 18:27 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

where to find cheap casual ie draw string not belt loop shorts with mid thigh ie 5-6" inseam

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

got some from either j crew or j crew factory earlier this year but prob out of season now.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

yeah i checked there already

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:46 (two weeks ago) link

what does the world have against 5" shorts its normal

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:56 (two weeks ago) link

oh actually jcrew does have some that match the description tho they are $60 and somehow excluded from the sale that says on everything

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:10 (two weeks ago) link

ugh. i may have sucked it up and paid that because it was getting hot in the pandemic and i needed more things with drawstrings.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

i got a couple pairs 7" on sale from the gap but i am still in the market for more

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

some brands listed there idk

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

oh might have to spring for some patagonia shorts bro

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:30 (two weeks ago) link

undersized patagonia baggies make for well-fitted, appropriate-length shorts suitable for most occasions

adam, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

stock running kinda low but corridor nyc has some pretty good 6-7" ones on sale

https://corridornyc.com/collections/sale

the late great, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:00 (two weeks ago) link

This limits your outfits drastically, as you will look like you are either going for a run or a swim and thus can’t wear them in professional or formal settings.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:07 (two weeks ago) link

where to find cheap casual ie draw string not belt loop shorts with mid thigh ie 5-6" inseam


Mujiiiiiiii had these last year

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:10 (two weeks ago) link

thats cool i have a shorts time machine

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:21 (two weeks ago) link

why are you buying shorts in november in colorado?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:07 (two weeks ago) link

wow can i live

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:10 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe macrame yourself a pair

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:09 (two weeks ago) link

no need to thank me and have fun in palm springs!!!!

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:31 (two weeks ago) link

lol

call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 November 2020 01:33 (two weeks ago) link


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