ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

Happy New Year, list-makers.

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
53. Outkast - The Reverend
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - darraghmac
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

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Dag.

I don't take part in many of these, but will consider the classic rock thing, it sounds like a laugh. Someone give me a nudge when these are up, too:

64. Italo - daavid
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
83. Stereolab - Moka
99. Low - aldo
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969

btw, we did 20 polls on the list in the course of 2013. so if that pace continues, we should get up to around the Emo/Scream poll by the end of 2014. not as many polls i'm as interested in participating in this year as there were last year, but excited for Steely Dan and Outkast.

which means we'd also get to the New Pornographers poll around late 2016 or early 2017 hehe

Anyone know when the Roxy poll starts?

presumably once voting for the "2013 albums and tracks poll" ends. but i'll wait for the official prod.

or after classic rock, i dunno.

Oh dang, I traded the official prod for some blue meth over the holidays.

I think we should include ETAs of everything in the queue, just to twist the knife a little more.

If anyone dies under suspicious circumstances, and the person whose poll it is is implicated in said suspicious circumstances, I'm assuming they don't get to jump ahead in the line.

I think if Bjork killed Stephin Merritt, starting her poll immediately would be the least we could do.

Agreed.

But it's not up to you.

What if Extreme Metal killed Hair Metal?

fight to the death against the winner of 'Producers'

For reference: Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

There is also this: ILM Ballot Polls: where to find the results threads

Again Thanks WilliamC for taking back over this thread, as I said before I was just keeping the seat warm until your return.

watching thomas crown affair and wondering.. has there been a movie score poll?

is this where I plead for you maniacs to separate the Eno and Roxy/Ferry polls?

Eno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roxy, give Ferry and Jobson and whoever their second rate solo material if you must but I will vote all Eno in protest if that's how it's gonna be.

eno poll should be a poll of inanimate objects

feelin u sleeve. i dunno that eno >>>>>>> roxy but def a different thing. just adds noise to both "roxy" and "eno" polls and makes results less satisfying.

cf gabriel/(and a little collins) >>>>>> genesis

The Eno / Ferry thing was settled a long time ago, was it not? Separate polls.

Put me down for They Might Be Giants. (would enough people care about a TMBG poll?)

In at 107

Where is the Classic Rock Canon poll? Having missed out on a lot of the history of this, I understand why we want to coordinate the timing so's not to have 6 million ballot polls flooding the board at once, but don't it seem like we could have one start at least every week?

There's a hiatus while the big EOY poll is happening...normal service will return at the start February I guess.

There's a break from these while the end-of-year polls run their course. The list should pick back up in February.

There's a pause during the big end-of-year polls, regular polls will begin again by February.

what they said, something something February

Any reason we can't do one a week starting February?

Most poll-runners have been leaving the voting open for 10-14 days to flog as many ballots as possible out of ILM. Some overlap is cool -- one poll open for voting while another one is rolling out its results -- but any efforts to put these polls on a timetable have been met with an unspoken "yes that's fine for everyone else but I'm going to run my poll this way." I'm not going to play the heavy -- that's the quickest way for these to grind to a screeching stop, imo.

Bah.

plus personally if there's too many polls just wham wham wham one after another I kinda get exhausted by the whole thing, even if it's bands I like

gotta let them breeeeeeeeeeeathe maaaaaan

Veg, are you volunteering for George Michael/WHAM! poll?

nope

i'm terrified enough that I volunteered for Pearl Jam in like, 2015...ain't no way I'm volunteering for anything else EVER until that's over & it hasn't killed me

It's really not too hard if you just throw all the ballots in your recycle bin and make up the results you want to see.

(Just kidding about that, btw. All my polls is legit.)

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

― ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:45 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still! it's gonna be a slow burner because it seems like the big genre-spanning polls seem to take longer for people to put together ballots for (as opposed to just looking at one band's discography and quickly being able to ID favorites). so i would say, don't mind my slow progress and just proceed with any single artist polls in the queue, and we can worry about whether results rollouts overlap or anything later if it looks likely.

as far as I'm concerned, you could start the discussion thread at any time & it'll be it's own board

i.e. I listened to the .38 Special greatest hits album today

lol I did the same a couple weeks ago.

we are twentieth century foxes

i don't wanna start the thread until i've finished the 'starting list' of a few hundred songs that we can then add to (or subtract from if there's any debatable inclusions).

I'm v excited for it

oooh that reminds me I need to wash the Trans Am....

lol you didn't win that from Diamond Joe Biden in a high-stakes poker game, did you?

Veg, are you volunteering for George Michael/WHAM! poll?

Ismael Klata traded out his front-man/front-women idea and change it to this:
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata

Oh, I thought it was the new WHAM! Lineup

Make it so

It's the role I feel I can do

i would be up for doing a No Wave poll, or is that too esoteric?

imago said he wants to do that '00s poll

*bump*

So... anyone actually ready to go?

I guess I'm on the list for Bardo Pond, but I also threw out a Cat Power poll. I'm up for either if that's something people want!

Add me at the back of the list for a Wussy poll. I'll be dead and Wussy will be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by then, at which point someone else can take it over.

I for one would be interested to see the results of a Cat Power poll.

I've found it pretty hard to gauge the likely turnout from responses on this thread. There seem to be few contenders right at this instant, so Leee, if you're in a position to start immediately you may as well just try it and see.

(IMHO. Certainly not speaking with any authority, obviously.)

someone should really run an Underworld poll sometime considering all the love for them here, but I'd want to wait until after Drift finishes up of course

count me in concerning cat power. i haven't really listened to her in ages.

Co-sign on the Underworld poll, despite my lack of enthusiasm over the Drift glut.

I always ask this, but anyone have the Google sheet? At the very least I'd like to refresh my memory about the points scheme to use.

nm, found it! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-6UZjUc-eioPify1wTOMXe_dSsjOQ6pBu0ZjT0I7CCQ/edit#gid=1

And: "Dear Ms. Power, please sound more like Adele" - Cat Power - Artist Poll #99 - VOTING THREAD

i'll be happy to do the 00's poll over August/early September if we're keen?

Are any of these ever likely to happen?

Jimi Hendrix - some dude
REM - rogermexico.
Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK
Aphex Twin - Stevie D
Bristol trip-hop - chap

rem has already been done

\///\/// It's the ILX SUPER SUMMER R.E.M. POLL OF POLLS RESULTS THREAD \///\///

No, that's the REM poll that happened, but not the one that was proposed. I can't remember the details now because it was more than 10 years ago (but someone could look into it, if anyone is remotely bothered), but I think that poll was based on people voting from a limited selection of REM tunes that had been selected from an album-by-album series of traditional ILM polls (i.e. where you can only make one vote for one track). Then I copied the idea and did a Blur poll where people could vote for any track by Blur and then it kickstarted this whole neverending list of artist polls and at some point somebody said 'ah, we should do REM again, but this time you can vote for any track by them'. I think.

XP That REM poll wasn't really a standard ballot poll tho.

I can take over Hendrix.

oh okay

yes, REM needs to be redone because NBS pretty much nailed the reason and that is why they were added to this list.

the Shoegaze/Dream Pop/ Post-rock (Akbums and EPs) will be done but i'm also willing to let someone take over that one if wanted. to tell the truth, i will do New Wave before that one anyways, so i would love it if someone took it over that way it will be done sooner rather than later as i can't see me doing it for at least two years.

Hendrix is yours C. Grisso/McCain

image, ballot poll #100 for the 00's poll just sounds perfect. you are on deck.

doesnt hendrix have a really small catalog?

Kind of, but we've done bands with small-ish discographies before (Nirvana, Velvet Underground, Led Zeppelin etc.).

true. dunno how accurate this is but it says 174 tracks, which a ton are live and/or posthumous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Jimi_Hendrix

oh Erykah Badu might be good to do sometime too

I’m happy to move that poll up in the standings, for sure.

i'll look forward to it!

I’m slammed at work for at least the next couple of weeks but what with the new book and all the timing seems good for REM soon-ish

Hendrix song list is missing Slow Walkin' Talk, a demo he recorded with Robert Wyatt, so doesn't look like it's complete.

Making sure that folks have seen this: "Dear Ms. Power, please sound more like Adele" - Cat Power - Artist Poll #99 - VOTING THREAD

The time has come and probably passed for a yacht rock poll.

No, it's the perfect time!

Define "yacht rock"

it's anything that isn't ambient

lol

haha. see we're there already.

Seahawks is ambient yacht rock so there

Broadcast! Might there be enough interest in a Broadcast poll? Small discography perhaps, but not really that small.

We need Cat Power ballots! "Dear Ms. Power, please sound more like Adele" - Cat Power - Artist Poll #99 - VOTING THREAD

i hardly know broadcast but i like the idea of being forced to listen to them in order to produce a ballot for a poll.

^ I dig it! :)

The Replacements was another that came up elsewhere recently. I'd happily crunch numbers for that too if no one else has a burning desire to do so.

Wish I was in a better position to vote in the Cat Power one. Very interested to see how that turns out but not quite able to construct a well-informed ballot.

Would be very much up for a Broadcast poll.

i'll be happy to do the 00's poll over August/early September if we're keen? -- imago

So this is definitely next? I think I'll turn my mind to such matters in anticipation...

Is the 00’s poll albums or tracks?

Both!

I love love love Broadcast but yeah the catalog is too small to warrant it imo

At a quick count, 143 tracks in Broadcast discography, no problem putting together a top 50.

I mean, I can already see myself getting annoyed when 'Phantom' and 'Ritual / Looking In' don't make it.

yeah and like a quarter of those tracks are interstitial things that are around a minute long

xp

I mean fine, do whatever, I wouldn't feel compelled to vote in it

Smaller discographies don't necessarily warrant a "Top 50" unless the actual results demand it. For instance, when I ran the Sleater-Kinney poll (a discography which at the time was around 100 tracks), the spread was enough that I had a little more than 50 tracks with enough points=two #1's, which I had set as the floor for ranking.

Total points equivalent to two first-place votes? Oddly enough I now see I cut my last one off at almost exactly that same point (#60 in that case) without consciously applying such a criterion, so that seems intuitively 'right'. There were only ever going to be about 100 real contenders (from ~170) amongst Go-Betweens tracks, but it seemed to work okay.

I cut B&S at #60 as well, but I distinctly remember that being where the number of votes dropped below 10. That was apparently equivalent to ~4 #1s, as the number of votes was freakishly high!

As long as one can cobble together say... a top 30, using similar yardsticks, it may still be worthwhile. Besides, I secretly feel like polls are less about stats than the excuse to listen to and talk about a given artist far, far too much!

i did: POLL Will Tear Us Apart – ILM Artist Poll #86 - JOY DIVISION – New Order solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – a NEW ORDER (#37) supplement poll --- Results Thread

even tho there were a fair amount of votes, i don't think the poll was very successful. as far as how many should be counted down? i think it depends on the results, tho i also had set boundaries like at least five votes for most polls. i really couldn't do more than a Top 20 for Joy Division as number 25 only had two votes so i didn't expand.

Looking closer at the S-K thread, I see I actually used something above 90 points as the floor, with 50th place having 6 votes and 97 points.