ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

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A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
53. Outkast - The Reverend
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - darraghmac
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee

oldbowie (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 14:39 (five years ago) Permalink

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 14:45 (five years ago) Permalink

x-post

Dag.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 14:56 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't take part in many of these, but will consider the classic rock thing, it sounds like a laugh. Someone give me a nudge when these are up, too:

64. Italo - daavid
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
83. Stereolab - Moka
99. Low - aldo
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969

emil.y, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 15:35 (five years ago) Permalink

btw, we did 20 polls on the list in the course of 2013. so if that pace continues, we should get up to around the Emo/Scream poll by the end of 2014. not as many polls i'm as interested in participating in this year as there were last year, but excited for Steely Dan and Outkast.

ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Thursday, 2 January 2014 12:34 (five years ago) Permalink

which means we'd also get to the New Pornographers poll around late 2016 or early 2017 hehe

ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Thursday, 2 January 2014 12:36 (five years ago) Permalink

Anyone know when the Roxy poll starts?

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 2 January 2014 13:27 (five years ago) Permalink

presumably once voting for the "2013 albums and tracks poll" ends. but i'll wait for the official prod.

charlie h, Thursday, 2 January 2014 15:00 (five years ago) Permalink

or after classic rock, i dunno.

charlie h, Thursday, 2 January 2014 15:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh dang, I traded the official prod for some blue meth over the holidays.

oldbowie (WilliamC), Thursday, 2 January 2014 16:36 (five years ago) Permalink

I think we should include ETAs of everything in the queue, just to twist the knife a little more.

Matt Groening is MY Cousin (Leee), Thursday, 2 January 2014 17:22 (five years ago) Permalink

If anyone dies under suspicious circumstances, and the person whose poll it is is implicated in said suspicious circumstances, I'm assuming they don't get to jump ahead in the line.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:55 (five years ago) Permalink

I think if Bjork killed Stephin Merritt, starting her poll immediately would be the least we could do.

oldbowie (WilliamC), Thursday, 2 January 2014 18:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Agreed.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 January 2014 19:14 (five years ago) Permalink

But it's not up to you.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 January 2014 19:14 (five years ago) Permalink

What if Extreme Metal killed Hair Metal?

Matt Groening is MY Cousin (Leee), Thursday, 2 January 2014 19:37 (five years ago) Permalink

fight to the death against the winner of 'Producers'

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 January 2014 19:51 (five years ago) Permalink

For reference: Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

There is also this: ILM Ballot Polls: where to find the results threads

Again Thanks WilliamC for taking back over this thread, as I said before I was just keeping the seat warm until your return.

Bee OK, Friday, 3 January 2014 02:10 (five years ago) Permalink

watching thomas crown affair and wondering.. has there been a movie score poll?

Ƹ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ (brimstead), Friday, 3 January 2014 03:09 (five years ago) Permalink

is this where I plead for you maniacs to separate the Eno and Roxy/Ferry polls?

Eno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roxy, give Ferry and Jobson and whoever their second rate solo material if you must but I will vote all Eno in protest if that's how it's gonna be.

sleeve, Friday, 3 January 2014 03:40 (five years ago) Permalink

eno poll should be a poll of inanimate objects

Ƹ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ (brimstead), Friday, 3 January 2014 03:42 (five years ago) Permalink

feelin u sleeve. i dunno that eno >>>>>>> roxy but def a different thing. just adds noise to both "roxy" and "eno" polls and makes results less satisfying.

cf gabriel/(and a little collins) >>>>>> genesis

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 3 January 2014 06:46 (five years ago) Permalink

The Eno / Ferry thing was settled a long time ago, was it not? Separate polls.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:15 (five years ago) Permalink

Put me down for They Might Be Giants. (would enough people care about a TMBG poll?)

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 20:37 (five years ago) Permalink

In at 107

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Thursday, 16 January 2014 16:45 (five years ago) Permalink

Where is the Classic Rock Canon poll? Having missed out on a lot of the history of this, I understand why we want to coordinate the timing so's not to have 6 million ballot polls flooding the board at once, but don't it seem like we could have one start at least every week?

Ynysddu is the best policy (but tread Caerphilly) (staggerlee), Thursday, 16 January 2014 17:40 (five years ago) Permalink

There's a hiatus while the big EOY poll is happening...normal service will return at the start February I guess.

Two days left to vote in the ILM EOY Poll! (seandalai), Thursday, 16 January 2014 17:47 (five years ago) Permalink

There's a break from these while the end-of-year polls run their course. The list should pick back up in February.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 January 2014 17:48 (five years ago) Permalink

There's a pause during the big end-of-year polls, regular polls will begin again by February.

Euler, Thursday, 16 January 2014 17:52 (five years ago) Permalink

what they said, something something February

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Thursday, 16 January 2014 18:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Any reason we can't do one a week starting February?

Ynysddu is the best policy (but tread Caerphilly) (staggerlee), Thursday, 16 January 2014 18:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Most poll-runners have been leaving the voting open for 10-14 days to flog as many ballots as possible out of ILM. Some overlap is cool -- one poll open for voting while another one is rolling out its results -- but any efforts to put these polls on a timetable have been met with an unspoken "yes that's fine for everyone else but I'm going to run my poll this way." I'm not going to play the heavy -- that's the quickest way for these to grind to a screeching stop, imo.

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Thursday, 16 January 2014 19:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Bah.

Ynysddu is the best policy (but tread Caerphilly) (staggerlee), Thursday, 16 January 2014 20:13 (five years ago) Permalink

plus personally if there's too many polls just wham wham wham one after another I kinda get exhausted by the whole thing, even if it's bands I like

gotta let them breeeeeeeeeeeathe maaaaaan

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 January 2014 20:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Veg, are you volunteering for George Michael/WHAM! poll?

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Thursday, 16 January 2014 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

nope

i'm terrified enough that I volunteered for Pearl Jam in like, 2015...ain't no way I'm volunteering for anything else EVER until that's over & it hasn't killed me

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 January 2014 21:02 (five years ago) Permalink

It's really not too hard if you just throw all the ballots in your recycle bin and make up the results you want to see.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 January 2014 21:04 (five years ago) Permalink

(Just kidding about that, btw. All my polls is legit.)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 January 2014 21:04 (five years ago) Permalink

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

― ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:45 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still! it's gonna be a slow burner because it seems like the big genre-spanning polls seem to take longer for people to put together ballots for (as opposed to just looking at one band's discography and quickly being able to ID favorites). so i would say, don't mind my slow progress and just proceed with any single artist polls in the queue, and we can worry about whether results rollouts overlap or anything later if it looks likely.

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Thursday, 16 January 2014 21:08 (five years ago) Permalink

as far as I'm concerned, you could start the discussion thread at any time & it'll be it's own board

i.e. I listened to the .38 Special greatest hits album today

Euler, Thursday, 16 January 2014 22:00 (five years ago) Permalink

lol I did the same a couple weeks ago.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 16 January 2014 22:05 (five years ago) Permalink

we are twentieth century foxes

Euler, Thursday, 16 January 2014 22:08 (five years ago) Permalink

i don't wanna start the thread until i've finished the 'starting list' of a few hundred songs that we can then add to (or subtract from if there's any debatable inclusions).

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Thursday, 16 January 2014 23:19 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm v excited for it

oooh that reminds me I need to wash the Trans Am....

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 January 2014 01:29 (five years ago) Permalink

lol you didn't win that from Diamond Joe Biden in a high-stakes poker game, did you?

Neil Nosepicker (Leee), Friday, 17 January 2014 01:42 (five years ago) Permalink

Veg, are you volunteering for George Michael/WHAM! poll?

Ismael Klata traded out his front-man/front-women idea and change it to this:
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata

Bee OK, Friday, 17 January 2014 02:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Oh, I thought it was the new WHAM! Lineup

Mark G, Friday, 17 January 2014 08:00 (five years ago) Permalink

Make it so

Pre-Madonna (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 17 January 2014 08:12 (five years ago) Permalink

It's the role I feel I can do

Ismael Klata, Friday, 17 January 2014 08:18 (five years ago) Permalink

i would be up for doing a No Wave poll, or is that too esoteric?

^ enlightening post (sarahell), Monday, 20 January 2014 21:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Finally, the Minutemen/Naked City/Conet Project ballot I've always wanted to cast.

ILX Moderator: It's Like a Pressure Wash for Your Insides (WmC), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:14 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm going to make it my mission to bombard Karl Malone with provocative questions that require difficult, potentially controversial decisions.

What is the final say on a song's length? Buddy Holly's "Looking for Someone to Love" is 1:56 on Wikipedia, 1:57/1:58/2:00 on Spotify (not sure if all three are the same version), 1:59 on two of my media players and 2:00 on the other (same file for all three). In or out?

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:45 (two months ago) Permalink

i am tempted to resort to the answers provided by my manual of absolute power and corruption, vol 3, page 159, "Disputed Song Lengths", which reads:

"yea, if at least one authoritative source that is never wrong, such as wikipedia, lists the official time as less than 2:00, the song is deemed "pretty short, arguably" and is thus eligible for the poll. but in general, let it be known that it is not cool to "game the system" or "be a jerk about things" by pointing to some outlier bogus source just to get a song to qualify in an internet poll. please, please, don't do that."

however: 1) we should save this discussion for the nominations thread, where it's going to happen again no matter what happens here, and 2) if someone has a great idea for how to resolve this issue in the least complicated way, i'm all ears.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 February 2019 00:05 (two months ago) Permalink

yay, on board with another Karl Malone poll. so looking forward to this.

and Hi, fellow SF Giants fan Leee. haven't seen you in the same thread that i seem to be posting on.

Bee OK, Thursday, 14 February 2019 00:13 (two months ago) Permalink

thanks bee! and yeah, it should be fun. i'll hold off on the nominations thread until this weekend so as to not interfere with the 2018 metal n' heavy rock voting deadline

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 February 2019 02:03 (two months ago) Permalink

hell yeah km this gonna be fun and edifying

budo jeru, Thursday, 14 February 2019 05:09 (two months ago) Permalink

how are we doing karl, i'm ready to salute some minuscule masterpieces

we're far from the challops now (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 February 2019 15:57 (two months ago) Permalink

You'll probably have to issue many deadline reminders, continually re-explain the rules, etc.--everyone participating will have very short attention spans.

clemenza, Monday, 18 February 2019 16:22 (two months ago) Permalink

i'm gonna post the nominations thread tonight! i will drunkenly remind everyone every 00:01:59 or less

Karl Malone, Monday, 18 February 2019 17:05 (two months ago) Permalink

Las Vegas has installed There's a Riot Going On by Sly as the favorite at 20:1

kornrulez6969, Monday, 18 February 2019 17:56 (two months ago) Permalink

the 2 minute songs poll and the jazz album poll revive made me wonder whether there had ever been a motown albums poll. like motown / tamla / gordy etc.

just throwing the idea out there.

listened to the supremes’ “we remember sam cooke” today and boy did it sound good

budo jeru, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 03:55 (two months ago) Permalink

have we ever done a duets poll? i think that would be cool

Mordy, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:01 (one month ago) Permalink

made me wonder whether there had ever been a motown albums poll. like motown / tamla / gordy etc.

Albums, no. Singles/tracks, yes.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 04:49 (one month ago) Permalink

C. Grisso, would you object if I asked for the Bacharach Songbook poll back? I'd like to see that one happen.

27 Discounts ILXors Get Only If They Know (WmC), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 20:34 (one month ago) Permalink

love that WilliamC is getting back into the game.

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 March 2019 05:27 (one month ago) Permalink

XP. Yeah, go ahead. It's seems like any time I get open to do something with it, another poll is already in full swing, or something else comes up at home.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 March 2019 05:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Cool, thanks. Is anything coming up after Karl's >2:00 poll?

27 Discounts ILXors Get Only If They Know (WmC), Thursday, 7 March 2019 15:55 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Would there be interest in a Gordon Lightfoot poll? I would be happy to run one at some point if so, not sure what the order of things is right now.

Will (kruezer2), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Has Scott Walker never been done? Sorry, can't search on Flagging app.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Nope, was suggested but never followed up.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I only got into Gord last year, so I can't say I'm familiar enough with his entire discography to participate in a poll. I spent almost my whole life just thinking he was an unremarkable one-hit wonder who sang about the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Would vote for Gord. But I’m guessing single-digit returns.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, probably not worth it for a small return, maybe I'll start a thread to listen thru his discography instead.

Will (kruezer2), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Would participate. Song by song would be rad, but album by album is probably more realistic. I am just about to embark on a chronological Gord listening binge, so nice timing!

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'd totally listen along myself. Been forever meaning to get beyond my scratchy old Best Of LP.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 23:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

After < 2 minutes finishes, I propose the final installment of the triad: BEST SONGS BETWEEN 3 AND 5 MINUTES.

LEOPLOD BLOOMPS (Leee), Monday, 1 April 2019 21:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

nah we gotta do songs between 8 and 10 mins

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 April 2019 21:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I would totally Gord out with yall

frogbs, Monday, 1 April 2019 21:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp I'd be up for that. I'm still REELING from finding the +10-minute not-epic thread and getting cross with all the tracks that almost made my playlist but not quite.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 1 April 2019 21:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Top 120 Songs Under 120 Seconds (ILM Poll #95)

Bee OK, Thursday, 11 April 2019 00:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Anyone ready to go?

Something on Twitter has made me newly keen on running the Go-Betweens poll I suggested about a year ago. Though the queue, such as it is, remains long and having run a poll scarcely four months ago I should arguably simmer down. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:07 (one week ago) Permalink

William aka WmC is going to run Bacharach Songbook next i believe?

Bee OK, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Bacharach yes, but I also like the idea of a Go-Betweens poll

Dan S, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Ah, Bacharach, cool. Yet another I'll feel compelled to participate in then.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Excited for a Bacharach poll

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Saturday, 13 April 2019 08:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I've been preparing.

The Carjackers Quickly Dumped ILX Once They Saw What Was Inside (WmC), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:13 (six days ago) Permalink

Does an ILXor want this to happen tomorrow or have a few more days of sub-2 afterglow?

The Carjackers Quickly Dumped ILX Once They Saw What Was Inside (WmC), Monday, 15 April 2019 21:38 (six days ago) Permalink

this ilxor’s in love with you

budo jeru, Monday, 15 April 2019 22:06 (six days ago) Permalink

There's a very helpful thread with all the polls listed. I used to have it bookmarked but I no longer do and can't find it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about could you please post it here?

kornrulez6969, Monday, 15 April 2019 22:59 (six days ago) Permalink

That's the one! Thank you.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 15 April 2019 23:18 (six days ago) Permalink

XXXP: Start whenever you're ready, IMHO. I for one now have a provisional longlist just waiting to be whittled down. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 01:37 (five days ago) Permalink

Burt is up and running, hoping for a good turnout.
Living Together, Polling Together — it's the BURT BACHARACH SONGBOOK Ballot Poll

The Mod Who Banned Liberty Valance (WmC), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:50 (five days ago) Permalink

I would be hell of down for this:

104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)

Though I wonder if post-rock into there is kind of a non sequitur?

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:03 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm itching for the Go-Betweens poll

Alba, Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:30 (yesterday) Permalink

xp

cant help but feel a post rock/math rock poll should be its own thing now

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:43 (yesterday) Permalink

it would be fun to listen/vote in but figuring out what counts would be WW3

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:24 (yesterday) Permalink

...it's possible i'm exaggerating there but it would be agonizing all the same

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:25 (yesterday) Permalink


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