DIIV - the next Nirvana? lol

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i was only peripherally aware of this band before I read this interview. didn't know it was a single songwriter w/ backup band. seems sorta smart but also waaay cloistered and marooned in a downtown nyc headspace, entitled and naive....

and why bother bleaching your hair blonde if you're a thin white alt rocker? the cobain comparison is inevitable and a complete dead end.

http://pitchfork.com/features/update/9158-diiv/

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:06 (six years ago) link

i like the Diiv album quite a bit but i'd managed to avoid most of that bonehead's press until jessica hopper went ham on twitter over this interview over this weekend. now i'm definitely going to try harder to ignore his press. still a decent record though.

i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:12 (six years ago) link

this sounds more like interpol to me. don't really hear any nirvana. whatever it kinda sucks anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI79GPXAICM

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:25 (six years ago) link

The interview made him sound like a bit of a dick. Like, m8, you aren't making huge artistic statements, you made a record that sounds pretty pretty good when yr playing Trials HD at 2am.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:36 (six years ago) link

i don't really think he says anything really bad in that interview?

i mean he doesn't say anything really cool either. he just comes across as smart, ambitious, and controlling, which i think he'd cop to.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:38 (six years ago) link

you made a record that sounds pretty pretty good when yr playing Trials HD at 2am.

he might agree with this! most of the big statements were about the next record. i guess i'll wait and see.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:41 (six years ago) link

Complete DIIVs

(I haven’t listened to it)

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:46 (six years ago) link

To be told that you're the voice of your generation is such an incredible amount of pressure, and I haven't faced that. Maybe by the time our third record rolls around, I will.

First of all, pick the weakest Nirvana song ever and it has more poetry, mystery, and balls than this song posted up above. LOL so much at Nirvana comparisons. Are they based on anything other than this guy has bleached hair and Kurt Cobain at one time had bleached hair? Interpol nostalgia otm

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:08 (six years ago) link

So do we have 2013's Ray Gun?

Wide Area Network King (snoball), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:23 (six years ago) link

They sound more like Haircut 100 put through a reverb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_msHpEa3_Y

Wide Area Network King (snoball), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:30 (six years ago) link

they sound like they listened to the Cure a lot and maybe some OMD

young cats copping 80s sounds will never not be weird to me, you're supposed to resent your dad not copy his hairstyle

tight in the runs (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:35 (six years ago) link

Perhaps his dad was an Aerosmith fan, in which case this sub-Cure thing may be what he imagines would piss his old man off.

grandavis, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:43 (six years ago) link

I like Steven Hyden's take:

My immediate thought after reading this was that Smith (like practically everyone else who makes or follows pop music) has no way to gauge how truly "big" anything is anymore. The collapse of the record industry and the subsequent glut of music festivals and never-ending tours have created a perception vacuum that's been filled with media coverage; story lines are now the only currency with any (perceived) value for measuring popularity. Bigness used to be felt by the public; now it's dictated.

This shift from "actual" to "fabricated" worth has had a corrosive effect on our collective understanding of culture. I was ready to write off the lead singer of a moderately popular rock band likening himself to Cobain — and citing him as a mentor for understanding his (nonexistent) fame — as patently delusional in a way that no longer seems delusional. Many of us reside inside personalized pop culture bubbles that we somehow believe represent the whole world. Smith was just more self-important about his bubble.

But after thinking about it a little deeper, I realized that Smith might be a lot savvier than I gave him credit for. When I played Oshin for the first time, I had no idea that DIIV was a Nirvana reference. (DIIV is named after the Nirvana B-side "Dive," and Smith somewhat resembles Cobain physically.) The record's appealingly melodic, reverb-heavy guitar pop didn't make me think of Kurt Cobain at all; it made me think of the appealingly melodic, reverb-heavy guitar-pop band Real Estate. I find it hard to believe that anyone would compare DIIV to Nirvana based purely on the music. But after this interview, it's an almost certainty that Incesticide references will be appearing in reviews for DIIV's upcoming album. The next time Smith does something remotely controversial, it will probably prompt speculation over whether this "dark" and "angsty" individual is going down the path of the Big C. If DIIV has any success after this, Smith's "voice of a generation" comments will seem prescient, not moronic. DIIV is comparable to Nirvana because Smith said so; he invented his own story line. Whether Smith turns into a Kurt/Kanye-like loner-genius figure remains to be seen, but he's done all he can to push critics into thinking he might be, even before they've heard the record. Talk is cheap, but it's still worth more than most albums these days.

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:48 (six years ago) link

i listened to this band's first album quite a bit, it's nice

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am0n, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:55 (six years ago) link

reverb drenched production like this is a crutch used to mask weak songwriting. turn on the bright lights had studio gloss but the arrangements and songwriting were on point. this guy comes off as basically anonymous. but, i feel like he could make big leaps w the second record potentially

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:20 (six years ago) link

ums otm, I like that album. How many musicians have never said something stupid and grandiose and self-mythologizing to some degree. idk, maybe it's preferable that they do say such things.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:20 (six years ago) link

damn "The Heinrich Maneuver" just came up on shuffle, sounds killer compared to this

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

i love self-mythologizing and being grandiose, but not when the music can't support it

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:22 (six years ago) link

songwriting is not always like the most important thing, first diiv record is all about vibes.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:23 (six years ago) link

Maybe it's because of the name, but I think they sound like Love Battery, Green Magnet School or Rein Sanction.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:01 (six years ago) link

yeah i don't even remember that many vocals...it's more like a jammy post punk kinda thing...like i dunno a more jam oriented wilderness or something

nirvana is one of the last bands that would have come to my mind

yeah...idk this is one of those records that hits my mood right w/r/t atmosphere more than melody, along the same lines as a lot of the new fahey acolytes discussed in the post-fahey thread. or something like dub techno. good atmospheric sounds.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:07 (six years ago) link

Just listened to the album and liked it a lot. Thought Hyden was OTM with the Real Estate comparison. Not surprised to find them name-checked in the Clean, wistful guitar pop thread.

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:10 (six years ago) link

I accidentally wandered into a Diiv gig at Bonnaroo, which is how I found out Earl Sweatshirt had canceled and they had taken his slot. They sounded OK. They had a big crowd. That's a funny thing at festivals, seeing bands on the bill you've never heard of but they have big followings. ("Big" being a relative term here, there were several thousand people there out of the Bonnaroo total of 70,000 or so.) But they weren't Earl Sweatshirt, so I went back to the African music tent.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:16 (six years ago) link

they are definitely not earl sweatshirt

they are definitely not earl sweatshirt

Not even the next Earl Sweatshirt?

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:28 (six years ago) link

my comment upthread didnt really make it clear how much I love Oshin btw.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

being "the next nirvanna" used to be the kiss of death. IDK if that's still true anymore but I'd run away from such comparisons if I were in a band.

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:46 (six years ago) link

also nothing about that song/video posted sounds fresh, but idk maybe they have other better material. When I first heard Smells Like Teen Spirit, I didn't like it, but at least it wasn't like "Oh, this again."

i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:47 (six years ago) link

maybe he got the idea from all the instagram commenters going "omg u 2 r the new kurt & courtney ilysm"

dyl, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 23:16 (six years ago) link

#kurtsback #voiceoftoday #hotterasblonde

Evan, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:21 (six years ago) link

the best bits of the album remind me of late 80s church

any nirvana comparison is moronic in the extreme

electricsound, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 11:32 (six years ago) link

so i'm listening to oshin, and none of it is sticking. sounds like turn on the bright lights production but slightly brighter, but the songs are so lacking in personality they're practically muzak. the 'maybe i'll be the voice of my generation with the next record' thing is even more ridiculous now. it's not bad but it's dull and underdeveloped

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 17:38 (six years ago) link

I don't have a problem with the lack of personality or whatever: I like the general aesthetic, so it's sufficiently pleasant listen. But yeah, no one is getting famous sounding like this.

Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 17:44 (six years ago) link

yeah, i think jaymc gets to the heart of it, this just isn't going to be arena filling music, no matter how much he may fantasize about it

i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 17:46 (six years ago) link

haha this thread is so weird! this is a classic example of if you come into something based on a thread with a trollbait title like "the next nirvana LOL" and see the singer make some dumb quote you're all set up to think it sucks, but if you had just checked it out on spotify randomly because someone told you too you'd be like yeah this is a kinda groovy post punk thing

"If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:33 (six years ago) link

so in all seriousness did the nirvana thing come about because he's a skinny blonde guy who did not immediately forsake his nirvana fandom when asked abt it?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:36 (six years ago) link

Yeah it's nice to listen to, it just sort of sounds like a local band you would see opening for the band you came to see, and they did a good job, but you can't remember their name or anything other than the fact that you enjoyed it and it reminded you of Interpol with shoegaze vocals.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:44 (six years ago) link

why bother listen to 'a kinda groovy post punk thing' when plenty of other bands and records do the same mood, but better, and with strong songs? this sort of band feels completely superfluous. everything about them is superficial.

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:45 (six years ago) link

^adam otm

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:45 (six years ago) link

because he's a skinny blonde guy who did not immediately forsake his nirvana fandom when asked abt it?

no, i'm pretty sure this dude has actively and openly talked about his aspirations to be as big as, specifically, nirvana, in more than just this particular interview. it's not a brush he's being painted with, it's his own painting.

i kant believe it's not buffon (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:49 (six years ago) link

Nirvana songs are songs you can play on acoustic guitar or read at a poetry reading and they still work. There is a reason Cobain is considered a genius and everyone always misses the point. It's cos he was a brilliant songwriter.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 18:54 (six years ago) link

i don't really care if this diiv dude was sincere, trolling, or taken out of context. it's probably best to simply dismiss a lot of grand proclamations from musicians as the normal hilarious and/or stupid shit that every one of these guys has said at one time or another.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 19:01 (six years ago) link

why bother listen to 'a kinda groovy post punk thing' when plenty of other bands and records do the same mood, but better, and with strong songs? this sort of band feels completely superfluous. everything about them is superficial.

― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:45 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno, why listen to any rock band when you could listen to miles davis or mozart?

every band has distinctive things about them, just the way ppl pay together and sound, even within a narrow template....ppl keep bringing up interpol but you don't see the benefit of having a more kraut/jam influenced interpol with more guitar shit and less of those TERRIBLE LYRICS mixed was up in your face??

"If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 19:17 (six years ago) link

xxp ok, so he wants his band to be big. cool.

it's just funny to me that ppl are rushing in to defend nirvana's honor or w/e when it doesn't seem like anyone has made a *musical* comparison.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 19:29 (six years ago) link

i like this song, but it doesn't even remind me of interpol i thought of like a more 00s post punk durutti column with a driving rhythm section

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfF8qaliQbo

"If you like the Byrds, try Depeche Mode" (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 19:31 (six years ago) link

yeah it's all big drums and pretty melodic guitar parts. interpol songs were more choppy and aggressive.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

feel like this is gonna be like the Savages thing where ppl keep going "they just sound like [one or more of three bands] what's the point" then a bunch of ppl come in and say "eh well they kinda have this and this and this going on too" and it just keeps going round and round

going to grind shows so they can quasi-ironically EDM (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 20:24 (six years ago) link

what he says in the pfork interview:

To be told that you're the voice of your generation is such an incredible amount of pressure, and I haven't faced that. Maybe by the time our third record rolls around, I will. My goals are to be a band like that in five years. At the moment, though, I can't really relate in any sense to the scale that his fame has reached.

makes it pretty clear that he knows his current place! unless you want to kill a guy for being honest about his ambitions, however unattainable they may be, i am still completely unclear what yr problem is.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 23:34 (six years ago) link

xxxp

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 23:34 (six years ago) link

But they weren't Earl Sweatshirt, so I went back to the African music tent.

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was there too, brah

o/

bando brothers (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 July 2013 00:50 (six years ago) link

I don't know, I just can't imagine anyone that ends up "the voice of a generation" being "My five year goal is to be the voice of a generation". It's hard to imagine Bob Dylan or Kurt Cobain or John Lennon saying anything close to that. Usually anytime those dudes were asked about their zeitgeist-embodying careers they were openly derisive of that very kind of statement. You read early Beatles interviews and their grand 5 year plan was to make enough money to open a shoe shop or something.

But yeah, one interview, who knows if this guy really thinks this or is trolling/playing along w music journalism expectations.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 July 2013 19:31 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

really taking that Kurt worship thing to a new level, huh?

Sky Ferreira and Zachary Cole Smith of DIIV were arrested in Saugerties, New York Friday night, as the Daily Freeman reports. Ferreira was arrested "on misdemeanor charges of criminal possession of a controlled substance and resisting arrest," while Smith was "charged with two counts of criminal possession of a controlled substance, one count of possession of stolen property and one count of aggravated unlicensed driving, all misdemeanors. He was also charged with the violations of unregistered motor vehicle, driving without insurance, unlicensed driver, and having an inadequate exhaust system," according to the Daily Freeman.

The paper reports that Smith was found with a "plastic bag containing 42 decks of heroin," while Ferreira "was found in possession of ecstasy and resisted arrest."

Police pulled their truck over "after the driver made several vehicle and traffic infractions." According to the Daily Freeman, "Police said a registration check showed the license plates on the truck were stolen and the driver, Smith, was wanted by the Dutchess County Sheriff’s Office on an outstanding vehicle and traffic warrant."

The two were taken to Ulster County jail, and then released on bail. On Saturday, DIIV performed at BasilicaSoundScape, a music festival in Hudson, New York, co-presented by Pitchfork.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 16 September 2013 14:47 (six years ago) link

inadequate exhaust system... so irresponsible

flopson, Monday, 16 September 2013 16:56 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

it's kind of insane that this band still has a fanbase? literally one of the most middle-of-the-road bands to ever become P4K darlings. could barely secure a place on some lost 80's post-punk compilation

i guess he has a pretty rebloggable face

hackshaw, Monday, 17 November 2014 22:13 (four years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2014/12/15/diiv-bassist-called-out-over-hateful-comments-on-4chan/

just boot the fucker out, nobody gives a fuck who the actual bassist of diiv is

don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Monday, 15 December 2014 05:27 (four years ago) link

i agree with you. but i actually thought the statement seemed honest and was brave. sounds like places like 4chan can really get after someone, online and in real-life, who slights the forum publicly, and that's what that cole guy did.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 15 December 2014 05:34 (four years ago) link

So much talk around this band and only one mediocre record from 2012. The world is a strange place.

Maybe they should focus on making music instead.

nostormo, Monday, 15 December 2014 08:00 (four years ago) link

So much talk around this band and only one mediocre record from 2012. The world is a strange place.

Maybe they should focus on making music instead.

― nostormo, Monday, December 15, 2014 3:00 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf they have been, this is a long interview/profile from this summer:

Technically, there’s no next record for people to know just yet. It’s not for lack of effort. DIIV recorded some material with JR White of Girls last summer, but the sessions were scrapped, and Smith returned to writing and recording DIIV’s music in isolation. He says he’s finished more than 150 songs in the two years since Oshin, and those are just the ones he still likes. Still others have been deleted or disappeared into the crevices of his hard drive. Many are saved under names like “Shitty Song” and ” Fuck You,” which doesn’t much help Smith remember which one is which. Smith presents the best of these creations to the band, supplying each member with a meticulously written part. Some of those parts are incredibly simple, to the extent that while rehearsing one song, Bailey can load up Yankees highlights on his phone with his left hand while jangling away on an open guitar string with his right. That’s just the way Smith writes — lots of independent bits and pieces that don’t amount to much on their own but, when deployed at the same time, fade into careening post-punk mirages.

[...]

At the center of the swirl is Smith, more coach than dictator but definitely in charge. “Try and stay on the root notes and 4 and 5,” he counsels his fellow guitarists. “If we’re all on dissonant notes at different times it just sounds like a mess.” When posed with questions about the band, the rest of the members mostly just direct me to him. He’s DIIV’s founder and unquestioned alpha dog — the one who selects which song to practice, who stops the practice runs midway through and decides to circle back and try again, who notices when one of his bandmates’ instruments is out of whack and instructs them to tune up. At one point he even reaches over and twists Bailey’s tuning peg for him. Smith exerts control over DIIV down to the most minuscule detail, in part because he has carefully studied what makes music tick and how bands ascend from obscurity to maintain lengthy careers. In part, though, it’s because everything else always seems so close to going off the rails.

http://www.stereogum.com/1693522/how-does-it-feel-diivs-zachary-cole-smith-rolls-on/franchises/interview/

Pentenema Karten, Monday, 15 December 2014 18:38 (four years ago) link

“Try and stay on the root notes and 4 and 5,” he counsels his fellow guitarists. “If we’re all on dissonant notes at different times it just sounds like a mess.”

okay lol

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Monday, 15 December 2014 18:40 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

he's baaaaaaaack

“I walked into 285 Kent the day [the record] came out, and all these people are like, ‘Hey man, congrats on Pitchfork. Best New Music!’ I felt like they thought I was better than them, or that they thought I had a big head. Like, ‘Why you?’ I never really felt like a true part of [the community] after that.”

http://www.thefader.com/2015/08/11/diiv-zachary-cole-smith-interview#./undefined?&_suid=143960834223706590706713149934

hackshaw, Saturday, 15 August 2015 03:42 (four years ago) link

can't stand those drugs clichés of rock'n'roll, i'm certain Cole knows that's part of the attraction and I find it disgusting.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 15 August 2015 17:12 (four years ago) link

After Ferreira made bail, she spent several traumatic hours waiting for Smith, completely alone inside the sparsely furnished one-floor Catskill house without food, heat, or internet.

http://www.milhist.net/images/2000YardStare.jpg

nomar, Saturday, 15 August 2015 18:20 (four years ago) link

LOL quiddities and agonies of the drooling class

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 15 August 2015 18:33 (four years ago) link

and he was just like, ‘Shut the fuck up you motherfucking cocksucker! I’m going to go smoke cigarettes.’ Everyone’s jaw dropped, like, ‘Woah, what is that person?”

Smoking cigarettes and throwing rocks at cars in a Walmart parking lot, how is society today still standing? Such rebelliousness.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 15 August 2015 18:36 (four years ago) link

He’ll tell you that when tripping in groups, he prefers to drop the LSD a few minutes before everyone else so that he can be “the leader,”

Sounds like a horrible person to be around while tripping tbh.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 15 August 2015 18:38 (four years ago) link

how cool it would be if you could be as successful as nirvana but not actually make any songs

like photoshoots, yeah. but artistic credentials?

that shit's hard work

hackshaw, Saturday, 15 August 2015 22:41 (four years ago) link

"The court-ordered detox was brutal[...]To get through it, he re-read journalist Michael Azerrad’s Come as You Are: The Story of Nirvana"

" In the car earlier, we talked about Montage of Heck, the recently released documentary that stitches together rare home-movie footage of the Nirvana frontman with rotoscope-animated reenactments of his early life. Smith watched it with his mother, who he says felt uncomfortable because she had trouble separating the platinum-blond boy on screen from her own son."

holy moly, how this is a 30-year-old man in the 2010s not a 15-year-old boy in 1994...

linee, Sunday, 16 August 2015 02:05 (four years ago) link

haven't read the piece yet but all these pull quotes are unreal. has this guy even made any interesting music? i heard the first record and it was okay – made perfect sense that it was a beach fossils offshoot.

and did that hateful bassist really never get the boot?

soyrev, Sunday, 16 August 2015 02:36 (four years ago) link

totally object to when people belittle or demonize other's substance abuse issues, ie when people are like lol this guy takes heroin because he wants to be like kurt cobain or because he's a rock cliche or whatevs. think there's enough moral outrage at drug users as it is tbh. little strange when the music press reports hard drug use as if it is really egregious and transgressive (and sorta cool), and not just like a common thing that many, many people from all walks of life engage in, that is not remotely glamorous or weird, and which countless popular musicians have been involved in since forever.

with that proviso i have to say his obsession and identification with kurt cobain is deeply bizarre in its juvenility, even when you take into consideration possible arrested development arising from his privileged waspy background and extended-adolescence of being in bands throughout his 20s.

diiv's music is p ok with me, not actively a fan but it sounds like a bunch of the 80s indie i grew up with so whatevs. too derivative i guess.

corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 16 August 2015 03:08 (four years ago) link

dude is nonstop lols/eyerolls, i guess, but i loved the album and they played a bunch of new stuff at a show i saw recently and they sounded great

alpine static, Sunday, 16 August 2015 05:33 (four years ago) link

Not demonizing his substance abuse issue but the way he is glamorizing use. If he wants to get clean then good for him and I hope he does.

But if you are a public figure and think doing hard drugs is cool and something that should be promoted then eff you. Moral outrage not at drug users but drug promoters.

I don't know maybe he doesn't spend all his time talking about his drug use and the times he thought about his drug use, and it just comes out that way in music media, cos they have always fetishized hard drugs.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 16 August 2015 15:57 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

new album is garbage

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 February 2016 18:38 (three years ago) link

Haha

I like it.

Evan, Thursday, 4 February 2016 18:48 (three years ago) link

It's a band that plays dreamy same-y songs and they have a new album full of slightly less same-y songs than the last set.

If you liked them the first time around, you'll probably like the new one too?

Evan, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

they're a poor man's Interpol, the guy can't write lyrics so he buries his voice in the mix

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:27 (three years ago) link

So you just don't like the band. That's all I was trying to clarify.

Evan, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:31 (three years ago) link

It's funny that apparently only the bad songwriters intentionally bury their vocals in the mix for that reason, but only good songwriters that do this do it for other reasons.

Evan, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:35 (three years ago) link

i don't think that's the case, i like Avey Tare a lot and he obscures or over-processes his vocals way too much. Bob Mould's vocals are way too low in the mix on the SST Hüskers records. It's a stylistic choice for ZCS, I don't think he considers himself a bad lyricist.

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:42 (three years ago) link

Right, I was reacting to your post that implied that very thing: "the guy can't write lyrics so he buries his voice in the mix".

Evan, Thursday, 4 February 2016 19:44 (three years ago) link

well the guitars + rhythm section sound fantastic on the new dive record, and so i'll be listening to it again

early favorite is "healthy moon" which is the most lucid and beautiful song on the new one

silly hippy, Friday, 5 February 2016 02:38 (three years ago) link

album is up on Spotify, sounds pretty lovely.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 5 February 2016 15:48 (three years ago) link

super nice all around. the track with sky on vocals is amazing.

maura, Friday, 5 February 2016 16:01 (three years ago) link

Healthy Moon is a really pretty track. Inventive guitar line.

Evan, Friday, 5 February 2016 18:06 (three years ago) link

do these guys still sound like Seventeen Seconds era Cure? not a bad thing mind you.

Bee OK, Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:32 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

really like the new one.

piscesx, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 11:05 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

This new one sounds really good with today's hangover.

boxedjoy, Saturday, 22 October 2016 13:57 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

new single just dropped, sucks ass

boobie, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 17:42 (two months ago) link

sounds like portastatic

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 17:55 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

I really like their new album. Reminds me of Seam a bit with lurching MBV guitars. Sounds more troubled than the last one. I like this band in general, the hate here is unwarranted

The World According To.... (Michael B), Monday, 7 October 2019 00:09 (one week ago) link

thinking of going to see them when they play here next week, new album is nice and shoegazey, could be good live

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 7 October 2019 03:25 (one week ago) link

Is the Is Are has slowly become one of my favorites of the decade. I was skeptical of the fuzzed out sound of the new album for about a minute but already love it.

geoffreyess, Monday, 7 October 2019 13:45 (one week ago) link

ok, which of these guys is ZCS? i'm comparing other photos of him and none of these guys look like him!

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/files/2019/10/diiv1.jpg

alpine static, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:02 (one week ago) link

oh wait, i just noticed the mole by his mouth. never mind, i guess. but he looks a lot different.

alpine static, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:04 (one week ago) link

maybe i should go listen to the new album. i love the first two.

alpine static, Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:04 (one week ago) link

checked 'em out tonight, they played the new album in its entirety and a couple tracks from the first two albums (only doused from oshin, I think)... last three songs (blankenship/acheron/dust) they rocked out and it was heavenly. the seam/MBV sound is OTM.

-the kids were going nuts for them
-did not expect a mosh pit

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 04:04 (five days ago) link

New album sounds so familiar but can't place the references (besides some of the MBV haze).
Anyway, a bit samey but I really like it

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 18 October 2019 13:47 (two days ago) link

Just heard 'Blankenship' and it's up my alley. How does it compare to the rest of the album?

pomenitul, Friday, 18 October 2019 14:34 (two days ago) link


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