2.0 garbage version two point poll 2.0

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OptionVotes
Special 7
I Think I'm Paranoid 5
Temptation Waits 4
Push It 3
Hammering In My Head 2
When I Grow Up 2
You Look So Fine 2
The trick is to keep breathing 1
Dumb 1
Medication 0
Sleep Together 0
Wicked Ways 0


乒乓, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:02 (six years ago) link

i listened to this yesterday and it still rules. only track i don't care for is "sleep together." voting "hammering in my head"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:06 (six years ago) link

I've been listening to this a lot recently, it holds up pretty well.

Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:11 (six years ago) link

someone made a point in one of the garbage threads that this record is mostly interested in throwing a bunch of sounds at you that you've never heard before, or at least presenting sounds in this shiny, unfamiliar, precise way. every song is shrinkwrapped

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:16 (six years ago) link

The Parallel Lines of the nineties. The supporting tour was marvelous; Manson stretched her vocal chords on a shattering version of "You Look So Fine."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:23 (six years ago) link

it makes absolutely no sense to me that garbage's 90s music holds up as well in 2013 as it does

lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:47 (six years ago) link

Vig understood her strengths. Note how gorgeous those ah-ah-ah harmonies at the end of "Special."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

"You Look So Fine" and "Push It" are my favourites. But everything here is great.

Tim F, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:16 (six years ago) link

She could have so easily made a fool with herself on the breathy monologue in "Hammering in My Head."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

exactly and yet it is just the right degree of manic

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2013 20:24 (six years ago) link

of course everything about "wicked ways" could be embarrassing but it totally works

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

It occurs to me that based on the second album it's not Curve who should be up in arms but Ruby - if "Tiny Meat" appeared in the middle of this I wouldn't blink.

Tim F, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:08 (six years ago) link

1. dumb
2. push it

best garbage song ever is "#1 crush" though

lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:11 (six years ago) link

First or second version?

Tim F, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:15 (six years ago) link

All of Ruby's tricks came from Sugarsmack. xp

I'm voting for "Special".

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:15 (six years ago) link

i didn't know there were two versions! the one on the r+j ost.

xp

lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:17 (six years ago) link

I know we're talking about the second album, but I'm not sure they ever created a better song than "Vow". iirc that was their very first single?

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:19 (six years ago) link

i've only ever heard this one retrospectively but surely no one claims the first album doesn't slay it totally?

r|t|c, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:36 (six years ago) link

i think they're about equal

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:37 (six years ago) link

the monolithic production on version 2.0 feels like the apotheosis of a particular style in the way the more varied first one doesn't, and at its peak is more of a powerful (in the sense of pummeling) experience, but tbh the songs on the first album are just better for the most part

lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:44 (six years ago) link

Yeah I'd agree with that summary

Tim F, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:48 (six years ago) link

Hmm....we disagree. Singles aside, Manson sounds tentative on the debut, as if she realized how thin the ice was. What made V 2.0 such a triumph was hearing her equal the force of the band.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link

i would buy that she's more ~as one~ with the production on 2.0 but i hear no "tentativeness" at all on the debut

lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

'I Think I'm Paranoid'.

I don't like this band and never have.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

"You Look So Fine" is maybe their finest song but not necessarily their finest single song, if that distinction makes sense.

The "#1 Crush" on the r&j soundtrack is actually a remix of the original which iirc was a b-side to "Vow".

Tim F, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

i had no idea!

i've had to redownload "#1 crush" several times over the years and i've always ended up with the same one, lol

lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:55 (six years ago) link

What she's singing on those album tracks -- those vocal melodies -- aren't that compelling (bias: with exceptions, simmering melodramatic Garbage a la "#1 Crush" doesn't hold my attention)? It helps that she contributed far more to the songwriting on the second album.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:56 (six years ago) link

the first album is "Plug in a female singer, any singer, the hungrier the better"

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:56 (six years ago) link

I need to listen to both of these again to make a proper evaluation.

Tim F, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:00 (six years ago) link

first album poll is here Garbage - Garbage

乒乓, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:04 (six years ago) link

think alf is correct in saying that v2 is more like shirley and the garbages but personally the provocative juxtaposition with grunge formalism is exactly what i like about the first (although that's possibly something i treasure more in formative sentiment than i would do now)

r|t|c, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

but the songs are better too as lex says

r|t|c, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:06 (six years ago) link

"Only Happy When It Rains" is a helluva karaoke track, as some of you may know

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 February 2013 22:08 (six years ago) link

hard to believe this is fixing to turn 15. Somewhere else on ilm I wrote a longish post detailing what a big deal this album was to myself at 15.

Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 February 2013 22:12 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2IRcAWbm1c

it's funny, i can vividly recall watching exactly this and thinking "phwoar who is THAT" but now i see it's probably the worst karaoke rendition of all time, curse u youtube

r|t|c, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:13 (six years ago) link

Voted "Temptation Waits" but I'd like to also remind everybody that "You Look So Fine" - and, "Milk" - are Lana Del Rey's whole career so far bettered in two songs.

boxedjoy, Monday, 4 February 2013 23:03 (six years ago) link

excellent poll

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 02:43 (six years ago) link

A guy at my work is the biggest fan of a single band that I know, and that band is Garbage. He uses all his holiday to follow them around Europe on tour, runs a blog about Garbage collectible stuff. Also loves Placebo, Skunk Anansie and Suede. It's like he's in a perpetual 1998 timewarp.

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 10:11 (six years ago) link

"Special" is cool

billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 10:15 (six years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:01 (six years ago) link

the EMPTINESS
the CRAZINESS
satisfy this LONELINESS

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:07 (six years ago) link

the trick is to keep voting, guys

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:07 (six years ago) link

a fffffffflasssssssssssssssssssh in the poll

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:07 (six years ago) link

When they opened for U2 in 2001 they already sounded wan, but then they took off when Larry Mullen, Jr. took over on drums for "Only Happy When It Rains."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:28 (six years ago) link

the EMPTINESS
the CRAZINESS
satisfy this LONELINESS

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 12:07 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a great song btw.

Was thinking more about the discussion upthread re Shirley on the debut vs the sequel.

I think Alf is right that Shirley owns the material on the second album more but I don't think this is always a force for good - like, you see more of her personality but that personality is often pretty shallow or perhaps rather (what's worse for some reason, although it shouldn't be) callow - thinking of stuff like "on a cruise to freak you out" in "When I Grow Up", or the "Somebody Told Me"-style random-one-liners-strung-together of "I Think I'm Paranoid" or basically all of "Medication" (least successful song here?).

Courtney adopted a pretty similar persona on Celebrity Skin but it works much better as a persona; even when she's dealing with very familiar-to-the-point-of-hackneyed tropes, she comes across as if she's lived them.

Whereas ironically Shirley comes across best on the second album when she's embodying a kind of impersonal rush ("Temptation Waits", "Hammering In My Head", "Push It", arguably "Sleep Together" but see below) or desirous siren/observer/narrator/temptress who gazes but remains first and foremost the object of the gaze(the chorus of "The Trick Is To Keep Breathing", all of "You Look So Fine", again arguably "Sleep Together" - hence this may be the secret key song to unlocking the second album's charms).

All of which feels like a continuation and enhancement of the kind of bewitching blankness she offered on the first album - effectively, she's best at selling stuff that isn't necessarily (i.e. doesn't need to be) by or about her.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:32 (six years ago) link

but then there's the middle eight in "Medication" -- "And still you call me co-dependent" with the synth accents acting as quotation marks around the last word.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:33 (six years ago) link

btw her shallowness was so obvious that even I -- who voted this my favorite album of 1998 and still think it is -- knew they were done after this record.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:34 (six years ago) link

That's one of the most irritating lines in the song though!

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if she hadn't previously sung "please don't call me self-defending / you know it cuts me to the bone".

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 00:39 (six years ago) link

like, you see more of her personality but that personality is often pretty shallow or perhaps rather (what's worse for some reason, although it shouldn't be) callow

and this is the entire problem with the third record

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:42 (six years ago) link

incidentally i listened to the first one the other day and i think i prefer this one now, almost willing to argue that the songs are stronger on this one but maybe i just find the hooks more commanding and machine-perfected

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:44 (six years ago) link

Huh these are extremely bizarre results to me - phone skipped to the posts about two obvious winners, I was like yeah duh Push It and Dumb, then scrolled to the top and my jaw dropped

Relistening to the debut now: rtc otm about both the blackout connexion (esp in Queer, but how had I never noticed that Shirley shares a bit of Britney's weird frog machine thing?) and the drums on the incredible As Heaven Is Wide

A Stroke Of Luck is gorgeous too

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:29 (six years ago) link

I'm listening to the debut right now as well!

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:33 (six years ago) link

But only up to "Stupid Girl" so I'm not able to offer any sharp re-evaluative thoughts on underrated album tracks yet.

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:33 (six years ago) link

This was actually one of the first albums I bought back in 1995, and at the time the drum loops and the like seemed excellent but not especially remarkable, in some ways almost like a more satisfyingly fleshed out and grunty version of the production on Jagged Little Pill.

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:36 (six years ago) link

My Lover's Box >>>

Really I'm mostly reminded how powerful those anguished, self-loathing lyrics delivered as if they were threats and as if the singer was the most powerful being in the world were

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:42 (six years ago) link

Production-wise I don't think I made the JLP connection then or now: it's like a heavier Sneaker Pimps (and the template Tori took REALLY out there on Venus/Choirgirl) (and PJ on Desire?), and was like my token rock-because-it-sounds-like-trip-hop album

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:44 (six years ago) link

It's also weird how the Britney thing is inescapable when listening to the debut but NOT Version 2.0

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:45 (six years ago) link

Oh sorry I meant to say: I think that's what i thought at the time but not now. But yeah it also fit in with Portishead and Bjork and etc. that I was listening to, to some extent at least (the other stuff you mentioned obv coming afterwards).

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:54 (six years ago) link

Re Britney, that's the ennervated quality, yeah?

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:54 (six years ago) link

"A Stroke of Luck" SO GOOD.

There's a kind of bleary quality to the production which is very trip hop (and which actually not many major label people had picked up on circa 1995 - but it was everywhere by the following year) - whereas the second album is too pristine to give that vibe.

(also Depeche Mode's Songs of Faith & Devotion - I'd expect that was a big reference point for Butch going into this?)

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:56 (six years ago) link

"Stupid Girl" really stood out as the most perfectly realised of the singles on this listen.

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 10:25 (six years ago) link

It sure is! "Queer" has worn the worst imo.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:13 (six years ago) link

Possibly. It was my favourite at the time.

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:19 (six years ago) link

nah Queer totally held up this morning, it's def the one Britney should cover

I was never a huge fan of Stupid Girl and I think Only Happy When It Rains should probably be relegated to karaoke fun status

Milk is still incredible

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:31 (six years ago) link

og or tricky mix

r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:36 (six years ago) link

(well both obv but i have never decided which i prefer)

r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:37 (six years ago) link

both, and same

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:40 (six years ago) link

maybe the tricky mix just for the added angle?

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:41 (six years ago) link

Tricky remix was some of dude's prettiest work.

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:43 (six years ago) link

his single with creep and alejandra deheza last year reminded me of "milk" (though not as good)

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 12:45 (six years ago) link

Good point about SOFAD and the electro-goth/trip hop nexus. Put the Portishead remix of In Your Room next to the Tricky and Massive Attack mixes of Milk and it makes total sense.

Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:48 (six years ago) link

wookie might have made a good garbage remixer, always so well attuned to goth vengeance

r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:15 (six years ago) link

Yeah his remix of "Bulletproof" would have been a classic if it was a remix of Garbage rather than La Roux.

Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:22 (six years ago) link

finally a proper soundtrack for evading goblins while out shopping

r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:33 (six years ago) link

"stupid girl" is one of those cases of "obvious sample makes song kind of surprising forever" re: the "train in vain" drums

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:39 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

THIS IS THE NOISE THAT KEEPS ME AWAKE
MY HEAD EXPLODES AND MY BODY ACHES
LET THE BEATS GO WILD

lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 20:01 (three years ago) link

Or whatever she hisses

lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 20:01 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

I bet you wish you could let it go
You'll never COME
sucking your THUMB
Better off DUMB

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:30 (three years ago) link

why are all the best ilx posts about garbage

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:41 (three years ago) link

anyway i don't admit this on the thread but i heard version 2.0 first which is probably actually why i prefer it to the debut, beyond tim's point about its embrace of bubblegum upthread

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:42 (three years ago) link

some A+ posts here

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 19:48 (three years ago) link

Meritricious vajazzling!

Tim F, Monday, 15 February 2016 20:25 (three years ago) link

for the tautologous thot

r|t|c, Monday, 15 February 2016 20:46 (three years ago) link

the guitar solo in "supervixen" sounds like my cat

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 20:57 (three years ago) link

the feline star that you cannot live without

r|t|c, Monday, 15 February 2016 21:06 (three years ago) link

The bass in "Temptation Waits" sounds like my boyfriend a few years ago when we broke up.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:10 (three years ago) link

I understand at last: the Pumpkins leave me cold because Garbage's plastic gothic overstatement exists.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:17 (three years ago) link

lol my roommate was just telling me about when she saw garbage open for sp

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:19 (three years ago) link

"shirley manson tended to stick her hands in her armpits a lot"

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:20 (three years ago) link

alfred you can sing "shattered dreams" over "vow"

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:21 (three years ago) link

I tried. So much for your promises.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:25 (three years ago) link

lol i was only imagining it

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:26 (three years ago) link

*exegesis about how this is the sophistipop evolution of grunge*

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:26 (three years ago) link

wouldn't that be STP

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:29 (three years ago) link

gross

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 21:29 (three years ago) link

sweat it all out

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Monday, 15 February 2016 22:10 (three years ago) link

god, Garbage. this brings back so many warm feelings. I was a huge fan after seeing "Vow" on 120 Minutes one night, got the s/t as a Christmas present. Even emailed the band a few times using an email address I had on this shitty BBS, always disappointed that it was Steve Marker and not Shirley that replied.

recall being uber excited for the sequel and loving "Push It" when it came out, loved that it managed to get more firmly entrenched in pop than its predecessor. still prefer the s/t I think, but choosing a fav on this album is tough.

"Special" was one I always loved, "The Trick is to Keep Breathing", "Temptation"....I haven't listened to this album since probably the 90s and yet the songs are still seared into my head.

gaz coombes? yo he don't got NUTHIN ta prove! (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 February 2016 23:24 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

'The Trick is to Keep Breathing'

Still holds up well, although I prefer the debut.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 9 May 2019 15:35 (two months ago) link

(and I speak as someone who thought they sucked in the '90s)

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 9 May 2019 15:44 (two months ago) link


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