Teenage Fanclub - Bandwagonesque poll

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This spring/summer I have been doing mega hit rock albums from the 90s. I'm going to do nine albums from the 90s, one every other week. Have been alternating between American and British bands but this week I break that string as I was surprised that this album has never been polled on ILM.

One's that I have done so far:
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream poll
I get up when I want except on Wednesdays when I get rudely awakened by the dustmen: Blur - Parklife poll
Built to Spill - Perfect from Now On. poll
The Elastica debut album poll
NEVERMIND poll
Supergrass - I Should Coco poll

Poll Results

OptionVotes
10. Alcoholiday 22
1. The Concept 16
6. Star Sign 13
12. Is This Music? 6
3. December 4
5. I Don't Know 3
4. What You Do to Me 3
9. Sidewinder 2
7. Metal Baby 2
8. Pet Rock 0
2. Satan 0
11. Guiding Star 0


Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

great album, but the concept all the way

mizzell, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i actually saw the Bandwagonesque tour and they played at Fairfax High School in the Hollywood area. the only show i ever saw there and still wonder to this day why they played at a High School in Los Angeles?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alcoholiday for me. Starsign, The Concept and Is This Music? are all great too.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alcoholiday 4EVA!!!!!!!

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think

I think I like December the best

i ;ike

life in jenna bush's america. (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

i actually saw the Bandwagonesque tour and they played at Fairfax High School in the Hollywood area. the only show i ever saw there and still wonder to this day why they played at a High School in Los Angeles?

― Bee OK, Tuesday, July 19, 2011 5:14 PM (29 minutes ago)

Afghan Whigs opened up.

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 00:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Afghan Whigs really? it was a Friday Night show and was coming from the O.C., with traffic and everything else we only made a headliner. the show was OK as the sound pretty much sucked. looking at ticket stubs of other shows i saw that month in 1992. Saw Lush on April 12, Teenage Fanclub the 24, Charlatans UK the next night or 25 and then caped it off with seeing the Suarcubes on April 28, 1992. what a month for shows! following month i saw Blur/Pulp, man i use to live!

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 02:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

SuarcubesSugarcubes

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 02:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

intended to vote for alcoholiday, but think i inadvertently voted for sidewinder.

great album. one of the best of that decade.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 20 July 2011 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

wasn't this done already

billstevejim, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

alcoholiday

billstevejim, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 03:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

wasn't this done already

nope. at least it doesn't come up under Teenage Fanclub or Bandwagonesque.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 04:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

December.

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 09:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

i actually saw the Bandwagonesque tour and they played at Fairfax High School in the Hollywood area. the only show i ever saw there and still wonder to this day why they played at a High School in Los Angeles?

That wasn't a totally unheard of venue, at least as late as '94 (there was a Green Day/Jawbox show booked there sometime in the Fall that moved to The Palace when it became clear that Green Day were exploding and they could sell a lot more tickets)

Anyway, for me it's The Concept, which I first heard on the Jason Priestly-hosted episode of SNL they played. Then Spin called it the best album of the year, "shocking everyone." Great album, totally holds up today.

She Got the Shakes, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 09:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

would it be wrong to choose Is This Music? Love the guitar line.

skip, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

nope. at least it doesn't come up under Teenage Fanclub or Bandwagonesque.

― Bee OK, Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:01 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

Did you check like, "Went to bed, but I'm not ready. Baby, I've been POLLed already."?

grit of ad hominem (kkvgz), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

great album, but the concept all the way

Yup

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

the Jason Priestly-hosted episode of SNL they played
when i was 11 or so, this was the first episode of SNL i ever stayed up to watch. saw teenage fanclub and thought, so this is the cool new music. and then i didn't hear teenage fanclub for another four years or something.
(voted "the concept")

tylerw, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alcoholiday is the best though - as instantly memorable a verse/chorus as anything in their later bubblegummy albums, with a more interesting backing track/guitar solo and a vocal performance that matches the grungy feel of the instrumentals.

This album is a pinnacle of power pop V-I resolutions. I also like "I Don't Know" (if just for the way the guitar hook crunches up), "The Concept" (if a bit long), "Star Sign", "Pet Rock", "December", even "Sidewinder" and "Guiding Star" - so pretty much the whole thing.

skip, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

December = probably my favourite TFC song

kraudive, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

Went with Star Sign - they were pretty awesome when they played Chicago this past year.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

The Concept is sullied by that never ending coda. Was always better live when they'd do Satan as the coda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qmwre-FeEg

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

so weird to me that this was ever remotely popular in America (lol SPIN). amazing record. voted Alcoholiday

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

forever associated with my first girlfriend

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is such a great album, one of the best of the 90's for sure. I'll probably pick Alcoholiday, but I could also go with any one of about six other songs depending on the day.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

what's weird to me about this album is how all the reviews that you read of it were like "big star big star big star this sounds exactly like big star". and while i get the reference (teenage fanclub encouraged it, i suppose), it really doesn't sound *exactly* like big star. does it?

tylerw, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

I didn't listen to any big star until after alex chilton died, when I finally did I thought "holy crap, teenage fanclub really did sound exactly like them".

ledge, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

ha, really, i don't hear it so much? i mean there are elements, but ...

tylerw, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

I know it's probably heresy or whatever, but I prefer Teenage Fanclub to Big Star.

grit of ad hominem (kkvgz), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

(jk, that is fine. like i said, i think they're pretty different!)

tylerw, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah the Big Star comparisons always irked me too because a) Big Star NEVER used TFCs level of distortion, which serves as the sonic center of the record, and b) there is zero R&B in TFC. At the time I remember TFC saying they really loved 3rd/Sister Lovers, but that album really bears no resemblance to their own material. None of TFCs stuff has that wasted, spectral SPACE of 3rd/Sister Lovers.

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

a) Big Star NEVER used TFCs level of distortion, which serves as the sonic center of the record, and b) there is zero R&B in TFC.

Good points.

skip, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah and big star's rhythm section was so unusual, whereas tfc was always straightforward (at least for the most part).

tylerw, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Eh, what's all that noise on 'Kanga Roo' then?

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

well, there's feedback, but it's not really TFC-style distortion is it?

tylerw, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 15:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Eh, what's all that noise on 'Kanga Roo' then?

mostly mellotron, space echo, and some guitar feedback. which yeah is not distortion.

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

"I wanted to assassinate December" - sounds a bit like "get me out here, get me out of here" line in 'Nighttime'

'Song To The Cynic' - verse resembles 'Septmber Gurls' (or 'Strange' by Galaxie 500)

But TFC have never been an overtly Big Star-derived band. On their second and third (proper) albums they appeared to lift from other songs a little, a few of these were by Big Star. I think as the press at large latched on to Big Star in the early 90s, TFC were singled out.

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

the connections between Big Star and the Replacements seems more direct/clear to me

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

y'know, sloppy R&B goofball jam followed by heartbroken 12-string ballad etc

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

December is great, the lyrics have always puzzled me. it sounds like he sings "I wanted to/assassin you" cuz he couldn't fit all the syllables in there or something

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

also the song nicks from the Beatles, which I guess is kind of a Big Star thing to do haha

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

my favorite tidbit about this album

The cover is designed by Sharon Fitzgerald. When Kiss member Gene Simmons (who had trademarked the logo of a moneybag with dollar symbol) was made aware of the record he sent a letter to Geffen Records - who in turn gave in and sent Simmons a cheque, according to Simmons's book Sex Money Kiss.

mizzell, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

December was an answer song to September Gurls, wasn't it? Sure I read Gerry Love saying that somewhere. "I wanted to assassinate December" - December is the December boy of September Gurls.

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I agree with thinking that this album doesn't sound like Big Star, though like lots of others, it was that hype around this album that got me to buy that fab Big Star 2-fer back in the day.

I voted "Alcoholiday".

Euler, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Isn't there one song on this that nicks one song by Big Star. I can't be bothered to double check. Other than that, never heard much similarity. Spin got it right in calling this better than Nevermind, which I'd gladly never hear again...

dlp9001, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah I never listen to Nevermind

No Broehner (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Star Sign" sounds uncannily like a song (don't know the title) by Ride, almost exactly the same tune.

Both on Creation, both out around the same time...

Mark G, Thursday, 21 July 2011 08:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

star sign

cave duel (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 July 2011 17:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

i might

monogalomaniacal (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 25 July 2011 21:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorta surprised by the Alcoholiday love. I don't recall ever hearing anyone single out that song.

Bandwagonesque is definitely one of my fave albums from the 90s, even though Grand Prix and Songs From Northern Britain are technically better albums, imo.

I always found Bandwagonesque super top heavy - side one is golden, and it slips down a few notches on side two - hence my non-appreciation for Alcoholiday.

Pet Rock deserved at least one vote.

Brooker T Buckingham, Monday, 25 July 2011 21:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure I bought Bandwagonesque and Loveless on the same day. I was working in a record store and was going nutty waiting for the shipment to arrive.

Brooker T Buckingham, Monday, 25 July 2011 22:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

damn the guitars on this album sound nice.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i also remember being pretty knocked out (at age 13) by their SNL performance.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure I bought Bandwagonesque and Loveless on the same day.

WTF the hugest release date ever. And both are on the same label.

billstevejim, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

also wtf this album is 20 years old???????

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

20 years is nothing these days.

billstevejim, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

also re big star it's all about the coda in the concept which sounds like daisy glaze

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Alcoholiday is one of the great Teenage Fanclub 'Fuck' songs - see also Everybody's Fool, Weird Houses, Fear of Flying, Verisimilitude, and of course Some People Try to Fuck with You.

ledge, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

(Everybody's Fool maybe not that great. Weird Houses, Fear of Flying and SPTTFWY are blinders tho.)

ledge, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

star sign single is pretty much _exactly_ 20 yrs old this week

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

sorry that is throwing me for a bit of a loop

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Maybe i've been fucked already" makes me kinda pensive

I love Everybody's Fool.

billstevejim, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's 'baby' not 'maybe', ain't it? maybe, baby.

ledge, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's baby.

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

and yeah alcoholiday is the pinnacle of this record

by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 August 2011 23:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Google search says it's "baby." no fair.

billstevejim, Friday, 12 August 2011 23:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oddly, TFC rarely play anything beyond 'The Concept' off this album these days. They did an unplanned encore of Starsign in Glasgow last year though

Colin Allstations (PaulTMA), Saturday, 13 August 2011 16:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

This album is distinctly inferior to Grand Prix. I really don't get the love for it; it seems sort of middling, and also as other have stated, this bears only a passing resemblance to Big Star, mostly in the vocal harmonies,

Poliopolice, Friday, 13 February 2015 09:06 (four years ago) Permalink

i like grand prix AND bandwagonesque. but i prefer bandwagonesque as it is dirtier, noisier, as it is more like a perfect marriage of distortion and melody. grand prix is a little too clean and slick and therefore boring for my likes. and of course the year 1991 was much more life-shattering than 1994 or whenever grand prix was released.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 16 February 2015 19:13 (four years ago) Permalink

The songs on Bandwagonesque seem unfinished to me... like they could have done more with them but just decided to be lazy.

Poliopolice, Monday, 16 February 2015 21:44 (four years ago) Permalink

normally, I'd agree that dirtier would be better, but in this case, it doesn't really work for me.

Poliopolice, Monday, 16 February 2015 21:44 (four years ago) Permalink

I would take the point about the messier elements of Bandwagon, but to me there are 4 or maybe 5 tunes on there that destroy everything else they did, before or since.

That's what 'saves' it for me - that, and the fuzz

Master of Treacle, Monday, 16 February 2015 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Songs from Northern Britain tops 'em all, imo

alpine static, Monday, 16 February 2015 22:26 (four years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

listening to these dudes a lot lately. i had never heard grand prix until recently. i don't know if it's better than bandwagonesque but it sure sounds nice.

dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 19:04 (three years ago) Permalink

would not have guessed back in the day that they would have such a consistent, solid catalog 20 years later but here we are

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 19:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Only one (lacklustre) album in the last 10 years though. Every album they knocked a few edges off until eventually there's nothing left.

everything, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 19:41 (three years ago) Permalink

I missed the fuzz...part of that trend of indie bands who really turned the distortion down as the decade progressed

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 20:25 (three years ago) Permalink

I like the last album a lot fwiw

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 21:15 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

A place in teh semi - finals now up for grabs.

Mark G, Monday, 22 February 2016 16:39 (three years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Listening to this now, it's so obvious now that Supergrass were "inspired" by the riff on 'Satan' when writing 'Richard III' ...

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh, and this is 'Alcoholiday' all the way. At one point I wouldn't have hesitated to claim Grand Prix was the superior record, but right now I'm not completely sure.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:23 (one week ago) Permalink

that's because Bandwagonesque, Grand Prix and Songs From Northern Britain are three of the greatest rock albums of all time and differentiating between them is basically impossible and oh by the way they were all written and recorded by three core fookin' geniuses and thank god they met each other and formed a band many many years ago.

alpine static, Thursday, 11 April 2019 07:50 (one week ago) Permalink

wot no thirteen?

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Thursday, 11 April 2019 09:49 (one week ago) Permalink

that's because Bandwagonesque, Grand Prix and Songs From Northern Britain are three of the greatest rock albums of all time and differentiating between them is basically impossible and oh by the way they were all written and recorded by three core fookin' geniuses and thank god they met each other and formed a band many many years ago.
OTM

dorsalstop, Thursday, 11 April 2019 12:02 (one week ago) Permalink

I agree. I don't think they would have had a hope in hell of being as big as Oasis in the mid '90s, but they should at least have been as big as Suede.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:13 (one week ago) Permalink

In hindsight, I think they picked the wrong singles from Grand Prix, or in the wrong order. Creation had this 'come back with a slow burner' for lead single angle at times and they probably should have just gone for Sparky's Dream from the getgo. Don't Look Back (electric) should have been a proper single as well. The album did well but they should have managed a proper hit or two at the time.

Ain't That Enough of course went top 20, but I think by then that was off the back of it being new material following a relatively successful album. Did it even get much airplay? After then, their top 40 days were over entirely.

PaulTMA, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, absolutely. How 'Sparky's Dream' wasn't a huge hit in 1995 is beyond me. I mean, if The Boo Radleys were managing to have hits, then surely Teenage Fanclub should've had them as well. 'Mellow Doubt' is a beautiful song, but not something that screams out "lead single" ...

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 April 2019 17:59 (one week ago) Permalink

to be fair they had one hit

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:02 (one week ago) Permalink

xxxxxpost Thirteen is terrific, but it is not on the level of the other three. (Then again, I don't really think Bandwagonesque is *quite* on the level of GP / SFNB, myself.)

But like if you're a band and Thirteen is not one of your three best albums, you're doing pretty darn good. It's terrific! (I said that already.)

alpine static, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:04 (one week ago) Permalink

I think it gets a lot of unwarranted criticism simply as a result of being the follow-up to Bandwagonesque.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Re-listening to Thirteen now and, yeah, this doesn't deserve half the shit it's had over the years.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:02 (five days ago) Permalink

Gene Clark would be in the running for my all time #1 fannies track.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:28 (five days ago) Permalink

I will say, I was lucky enough to see one of the Creation Tour 3-night runs (Band/13, then GP/NB, then Howdy/b-sides) and the best song of the whole thing was probably "Radio"

alpine static, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:13 (five days ago) Permalink

Thirteen starts and ends well, just sags a bit in the middle imo

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 22:40 (five days ago) Permalink

Funny, I think some of the stronger songs are the middle ones, but overall the main issue is the somewhat murky/lacklustre production (but yes, "Radio" really leaps out at you). The idea that the album was "savaged [...] upon its initial release" (I'm quoting AllMusic) doesn't seem to square with the actual contemporary reviews that I can find linked on Wikipedia (A- from EW, 4/5 from Q, 7/10 from NME, 3.5/5 from RS). They're much the same as the retrospective reviews, like the one Pitchfork did last year (7.2), which I think is exactly right - solid album, just no comparison to the 8.5-9 level of Bw/GP/SfNB.

dorsalstop, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 10:09 (four days ago) Permalink

Select panned Thirteen for definite. Remember MOJO was positive. It was years before I heard anything about it being a 'disappointing' album. Always sounded like the bridge between Bandwagonesque and Grand Prix to me.

Of course the band did at least one interview (NME cover) where they said they didn't enjoy making the album and Gerry is fairly dismissive about the lead single, his own Radio, so I guess it's not wise to give the press free reign to pan your new album by talking it down

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:35 (four days ago) Permalink

as a gerryhead ive got to agree with this judgement there

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:37 (four days ago) Permalink


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