Raphael Saadiq - The Way I See It

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Legit album of the year contender.

The moment Carrie made cupcakes cool, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/user/RaphaelSaadiqTV

The moment Carrie made cupcakes cool, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

legit your an idiot contender

DZL (deeznuts), Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

u dom, doggie?

The Referee (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

(sorry if you aren't, I'm just guessing based on shittiness of user name)

The Referee (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Definitely one of the best of the year. It has potential to be a blockbuster...the songwriting is so good, and he has that sound down.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 10 October 2008 14:35 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, this is a fantastic album, I do worry it's gonna get taken up by the chinstroke crowd but fuck it it's pretty much a 9/10er.

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Friday, 10 October 2008 14:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah...this is pretty damn good, and i'm generally kind of averse to modern attempts at retro soul, but the songwriting is spot-on and there are these little production touches like the vocal distortion that aren't really era-appropriate but sound great anyway.

some dude, Friday, 10 October 2008 14:50 (ten years ago) link

big waste of rebirth brass band on here :(

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 14:59 (ten years ago) link

i mean i guess i'm happy that he features my favorite trumpet player in the world for four bars, but you can barely hear it

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:02 (ten years ago) link

ok maybe they're underused on that song but "Big Easy" is so so great

some dude, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:03 (ten years ago) link

but anyway i hope he makes tons of $$$ on this

xp yeah, it's a good tune

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:03 (ten years ago) link

the CJ Hilton guy who sings lead on the song that also has Stevie on it is a 19 year old kid from Baltimore, I've been trying to hunt him down for an interview.

some dude, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:04 (ten years ago) link

seriously a fantastic record. all his stuff is amazing.

KyleKyle, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:10 (ten years ago) link

i wish i knew more of Saadiq's stuff, someone with the knowledge should do a search/destroy.

some dude, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:14 (ten years ago) link

i'm no expert but i love instant vintage and some of those old toni tony tone jams

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:23 (ten years ago) link

and he wrote "how does it feel" on voodoo

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:24 (ten years ago) link

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) link

Jordan, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:29 (ten years ago) link

yeah I think I said this on a D'Angelo thread recently but I got a lot less interested in that dude when I realized my three favorite songs he's ever done (Untitled, Lady and Be Here) were all co-written by Saadiq.

some dude, Friday, 10 October 2008 15:49 (ten years ago) link

In the 90s he was in a band called Tony Toni Tone. Robert Christgau is a huge fan of their 96 album, House Of Music...

House of Music [Mercury, 1996]
Launched by a hilariously gutsy Al Green hommage that knows the great man's every moue and off-beat, Raphael Saadiq and his henchmen give the r&b revival what for, constructing a generous original style from a varied history they know inside out--Tempts, Sly, Blue Magic, Kurtis Blow. And for almost every sound they provide a sharp song, which is more than Holland-Dozier-Holland and Gamble-Huff could manage when they were compelled to stick to one. Defeating second-half trail-off and a CD-age windiness the band isn't beatwise enough to beat, Saadiq's flexible, sensitive, slightly nasal tenor, spelled by the grain of D'Wayne Wiggins's workaday baritone, recasts the tradition in its image. Wasn't sampling supposed to strangle this sort of virtuosity at the root? A

kornrulez6969, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:47 (ten years ago) link

yeah i know tony toni tone, the hits at least, but i mean he's had a ton of albums out w/ different projects, it'd be interesting for someone who's heard a lot of it to sort it all out.

some dude, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:47 (ten years ago) link

house of music>>>>this (as far as retro soul).

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 10 October 2008 16:50 (ten years ago) link

tthe last 2 TTT albums are mostly brilliant

First Dude (The Reverend), Saturday, 11 October 2008 01:03 (ten years ago) link

(xpost) agree. A little Motown Emulation goes a long way with me so this is my - thus far - least favorite of Saadiq's albums. And I love the cat.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 11 October 2008 02:02 (ten years ago) link

This is my album of the year.

Joseph McCombs, Saturday, 11 October 2008 16:06 (ten years ago) link

Keep meaning to check this cd out. I shoulda gone to see one of Saadiq's several recent shows at the Black Cat in DC. I saw Tony Toni Tone open for Prince a long time ago at the Capital Centre and they were great.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 October 2008 19:31 (ten years ago) link

just bought House of Music for $1.75 at amazon. There's another one out there for $2.

Granny Dainger, Saturday, 11 October 2008 21:56 (ten years ago) link

digging this more than i thought i would

Jordan, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:51 (ten years ago) link

i bet geir would like it (since he only likes black people when they write good melodies)

Jordan, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:52 (ten years ago) link

does he like white people when they don't?

Granny Dainger, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:12 (ten years ago) link

well, he's pretty into Blur.

some dude, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:13 (ten years ago) link

pretty solid album all around. definitely captures the era nicely.....

Life Begins at Death (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 04:54 (ten years ago) link

The album is aight. "100 Yard Dash" and "Big Easy" and "Oh Girl" are jams. This kind of stuff lives and dies by the songwriting, though.

fifth from the b (The Reverend), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 07:58 (ten years ago) link

The album starts rockily, however, with "Sure Hope You Mean It", a clever rewrite of "How Sweet It Is" that suffers from a bad mix. Against Saadiq's exuberant delivery (he's a superlatively smooth vocalist), the percussion sounds slightly off-beat: The tambourine shakes before hitting on the beat, creating an audio illusion of being too fast, while the snare rolls into the verses sound too slow, like they've been manipulated from a faster performance.

^^^this is dumb

Jordan, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:08 (ten years ago) link

yeah i read that graph a couple times before i gave up on trying to understand it

some dude, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:20 (ten years ago) link

can you imagine if every indie record with a shaky rhythm track got evaluated that way on PF?

some dude, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:21 (ten years ago) link

Against Saadiq's exuberant delivery (he's a superlatively smooth vocalist), the percussion sounds slightly off-beat: The tambourine shakes before hitting on the beat, creating an audio illusion of being too fast, while the snare rolls into the verses sound too slow, like they've been manipulated from a faster performance.

This sounds awesome

Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:22 (ten years ago) link

I got to do some work in the old Toni!Tony!Tone!/En Vogue studio and it was awesome. love this guy, have yet to hear the album PF reviewer as usual doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:24 (ten years ago) link

I mean lolz what does he think of all the weirdo syncopation on Voodoo fr instance

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:24 (ten years ago) link

yeah, the track feels good and it's intentional. great laid-back shuffle on the drums and some nice raw tambourine.

still loving this record btw.

Jordan, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 18:26 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

good convo between me, Bozelka, and Crutis about this here album (with some tangents)

kjb (11:09:58 PM): treat yourself to RAPHAEL SAADIQ!!!!
rev (11:10:41 PM): love saadiq but his new album is so worthy and boring
kjb (11:10:56 PM): worthy? what do u mean?
crut (11:10:56 PM): worthy and boring
rev (11:11:41 PM): it's a well-made but boring and formalism
rev (11:11:56 PM): haha that barely made sense at all
rev (11:12:37 PM): basically, fine craft but no excellence
crut (11:12:43 PM): yeah
kjb (11:12:50 PM): gotcha but I love the shit out of it
crut (11:12:53 PM): that's a good description
kjb (11:13:05 PM): u don't dig it either, crut?
crut (11:13:06 PM): it's not funky enough
rev (11:13:26 PM): "Still Ray" >>>>> The Way I See It
crut (11:13:59 PM): it's prob better than sharon jones
crut (11:14:05 PM): I need to listen to it again
kjb (11:14:13 PM): oh big time even though I love her...amazing live!
rev (11:14:26 PM): sharon jones: much better live than on record
rev (11:14:35 PM): actually, prob best live show I've ever seen
kjb (11:14:36 PM): it's the truth
kjb (11:14:46 PM): just brilliant
crut (11:14:47 PM): awesome
rev (11:14:49 PM): ^^^
rev (11:15:28 PM): when I saw her, she covered "There Was a Time" which is my favorite JB song
rev (11:15:32 PM): XD
kjb (11:15:50 PM): when I saw her, she was critizing Bush/Iraq and this dude came up to her (small club) and said something like "I"m an Irish-American and I fought for this country and I hate what you're saying!"
kjb (11:16:05 PM): and she just stared this fucker down and started ripping him a new one
rev (11:16:17 PM): hahaha
kjb (11:16:23 PM): and the band started to hold her back and she was "no I"m all right"
kjb (11:17:28 PM): "hey that's all well and good 4 u but I have every right to say my piece and tons of African-Americans fought for this country and got no parade, etc."
kjb (11:17:41 PM): intense shit but i loved it
rev (11:18:14 PM): v awes
kjb (11:18:28 PM): what I LOVE about The Way I See It is now short it is....it's almost scandlous.....the 2-minute songs make me guffaw at the end
kjb (11:18:38 PM): scandalous too
kjb (11:19:13 PM): one of the many things I love about it, that is
rev (11:19:42 PM): another problem is I kinda feel like he subsumed his personality to the period pieces
rev (11:20:38 PM): like, he could write better, more personal songs, but he felt it wouldn't be in line with the concept
kjb (11:21:45 PM): true but I'm a sucker for hooks and songs and I guess craft
rev (11:23:06 PM): I don't really feel like the hooks and songs are there tho
rev (11:23:23 PM): they are, but they're so perfunctory
crut (11:24:01 PM): it's not raw enuff
kjb (11:24:28 PM): well it IS a Motown (not even Stax) simulation
kjb (11:24:53 PM): what did u thnk of TTT's House of Music?
crut (11:25:38 PM): it's not catchy/hooky enough to live up to the Motown sound
rev (11:25:38 PM): the fact that it IS a Motown sim is reason #1 it has no excuse for weak tunage!
crut (11:25:44 PM): ^^^^ rev otmm
rev (11:26:04 PM): HoM: v good, but prefer Sons of Soul
rev (11:26:31 PM): "Let's Get Down" and "Thinking of You" are prob my fave TTT singles tho
kjb (11:28:04 PM): well there ya have it...as a hooks/song guy, I can't stop playing the thing
rev (11:28:44 PM): it prob has more in common with northern soul obscurities than the sound of young america
kjb (11:29:19 PM): true
kjb (11:30:15 PM): speaking of which, Bimble told em today that Joy Division stole a riff from (northern?) soul obscurity Nolan Porter!!!
kjb (11:30:19 PM): em = me
rev (11:30:58 PM): wouldn't surprise me that much

beggin-ass keith (The Reverend), Monday, 15 December 2008 07:50 (ten years ago) link

love the sound, performances and production of this album but the songwriting is pretty weak, as are the lyrics. its motown lite, for duffy fans.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 15 December 2008 16:34 (ten years ago) link

i forgot about bozelka, is he still on the board or is he just under some unrecognizable username now?

pipey longcocking (some dude), Monday, 15 December 2008 16:37 (ten years ago) link

he actually sounds bored tbh, like it was a rote exercise in retroism, and he had to hold back while making it. not that thats a bad thing - some of his lyrics and songwriting has really gone downhill since leaving TTT (dwayne needs to come back) but saadiq sounds like he just went down this road cos there was no other option for a guy like him these days, so he took the starbucks soul route.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 15 December 2008 16:38 (ten years ago) link

i like this album and the songs sounded very good live, but really the 2 at the end that kind of break out of the production aesthetic a little ("Never Give You Up" and "Sometimes," not the terrible Jay-Z remix), totally destroy the rest.

pipey longcocking (some dude), Monday, 15 December 2008 16:38 (ten years ago) link

im surprised its not being promoted more. youd think theyd sell him as the 'authentic' retro soul artist.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 15 December 2008 16:41 (ten years ago) link

you're thinking way too fucking hard about the motives and marketing behind this album. guy's been paying tribute to the same music for 20 years, he's just doing it a lil more overtly and slavishly now, for better or worse.

Mansquito Bay (some dude), Monday, 15 December 2008 16:43 (ten years ago) link

errrr that overtness/slavishness is precisely what makes it so different to anything hes done before. before it was always balanced with a bit of modernity.

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 15 December 2008 16:45 (ten years ago) link

ha by 'this fucking album' i meant Stone Rollin. i hate being confused/confusing about what thread a record's about.

some dude, Saturday, 12 November 2011 06:34 (seven years ago) link

the way I see it, The Way I See It has more blatant genre workout stuff.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 November 2011 12:33 (seven years ago) link

TWISI sounded embalmed in spots. This one has all kinds of unexpected touches: mellotron, drum flourishes, etc. It's R&B prog in spots!

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:57 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark

yeah you were otm about this

some dude, Saturday, 12 November 2011 12:58 (seven years ago) link

it's more in the spirit of Instant Vintage than The Way I See It, really

some dude, Saturday, 12 November 2011 12:59 (seven years ago) link

it just hasnt grabbed me like tee dubz did. i'll give it another chance

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 13 November 2011 01:40 (seven years ago) link

Love it, of course, but hoping the next one brings more Mellotron prog-soul a la

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFUr66Xk1c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwRA-mfsoiQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooTEU9fyTuo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSz_wE8aAAc

AARP Rocky (Andy K), Monday, 14 November 2011 14:33 (seven years ago) link

("East" has no Mellotron but might as well.)

AARP Rocky (Andy K), Monday, 14 November 2011 14:35 (seven years ago) link

And a blatant Charles Stepney homage (which would likely destroy the Stepkids songs I've heard) must be around the corner, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DR_NMtBEj4

AARP Rocky (Andy K), Monday, 14 November 2011 14:39 (seven years ago) link

thanks for the bump shipz! i gave this a spin earlier in the year but i must have been distracted cuz i forgot about it apart from the amazing "good man" - i was wrong to, cuz it's ALL pretty much amazing

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:32 (seven years ago) link

This one has all kinds of unexpected touches: mellotron, drum flourishes, etc. It's R&B prog in spots!

just cribbing from different sources imo. and all the orchestration + double-tracked drums makes me think of motown-era stevie wonder.

this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:39 (seven years ago) link

and i'm not knocking it for that, it's cool, but TWISI just has stronger songs.

this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:41 (seven years ago) link

I love love love Stone Rollin'

Over You could be my favorite song of 2011.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 14 November 2011 18:41 (seven years ago) link

i was just listening to over you-- fantastic. the whole thing is great.

dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Monday, 14 November 2011 19:24 (seven years ago) link

ok im gonna listen to this again YOU GUYS WIN

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 14 November 2011 20:40 (seven years ago) link

The bass line on "Good Man" is fierce.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:01 (seven years ago) link

listening alot to this album again. who can tell me about violin riffs in rnb stuff, because over you and the song that follows both have it? and it is terrific, sinuous and hypnotic.

dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Thursday, 17 November 2011 14:59 (seven years ago) link

The violin on Stone Rollin' reminds me of the violin on 'Miss You.'

righteousmaelstrom, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:30 (seven years ago) link

anyone know what the instrument is on that keyboard part that plays against the strings on the long outro of "just don't"- likin that sound, too.

dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Thursday, 17 November 2011 18:46 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Just saw him singing about the Toyota Prius and playing guitar in a Toyota Prius commercial

curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 November 2012 02:20 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

new song with rob fonksta bacon on the guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvD6fWJsJQ

album drops in august, titled jimmy lee

cant believe its been 8 years since stone rollin

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 18:17 (three months ago) link

Fantastic news. He takes his time, but the results are worth it.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 18:19 (three months ago) link

Ooh I love this song. Not as retro as his other records.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 18:22 (three months ago) link

yeah gives me hope he may scrap the throwback sounds of the last two records. Both are great and all but I'd like to hear him on a more adventurous/modern path.

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:08 (three months ago) link

Nice. Might be making things up, but it sounds like it was influenced by his work with Solange.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:25 (three months ago) link

oh yeah def, that opening vocal melody

here's an interview from months back with some details
https://www.okayplayer.com/originals/raphael-saadiq-interview-jimmy-lee-album.html

Jimmy Lee tracklist:

01 Sinners Prayer
02 So Ready
03 This World Is Drunk
04 Something Keeps Calling
05 Kings Fall
06 I’m Feeling Love
07 My Walk
08 Belongs to God
09 Dottie’s Interlude
10 Glory to the Veins
11 Rikers Island
12 Rikers Island Redux
13 Rearview

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:06 (three months ago) link

yeah gives me hope he may scrap the throwback sounds of the last two records. Both are great and all but I'd like to hear him on a more adventurous/modern path.

― big city slam (Spottie)

i don't know, he really set the prog world on fire with all that mellotron all over "stone rollin", not sure he'd want to let that important fanbase down

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:45 (three months ago) link

stone rollin is really good i undersold it in my post. the production on it is great for sure, I'm just reading up on it now (had no idea what a mellotron was until today). i guess i'd just like the new record to groove/swing a little differently than the last two, altho i'd be perfectly happy with another record in the same vein.

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:56 (three months ago) link

He was a well-intentioned bore at Pitchfork last year, but I love Stone Rollin'.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 00:10 (three months ago) link

Really excited for this! Stone Rollin' is such a brilliant record. Agree that it would be nice if he mixed things up this time round.

kitchen person, Thursday, 13 June 2019 01:52 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Interview about new album Jimmy Lee (out today):

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/raphael_saadiq_i_didnt_think_id_ever_make_a_record_like_jimmy_lee

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 23 August 2019 14:05 (three weeks ago) link

Jeezus:

Jimmy Lee, who was only 42 when he passed away in 1998, isn't the only one of Saadiq's 13 siblings who died young or struggled with drugs. There was another brother, Desmond, who died by suicide trying to escape the clutches of his own addiction. Saadiq's brother Alvie was murdered over a drug-related dispute. One of Saadiq's sisters was a bystander in a police chase — her car was hit during the pursuit and she later died from her injuries. Saadiq learned about her death while recording the 1990 classic "It Never Rains (In Southern California)." There was yet another sister who survived her bout with drugs, but Saadiq says her life was "never quite the same" after getting sober.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2019 14:10 (three weeks ago) link

Anyway, on first listen the album sounds fantastic. The rhythm section cooks -- kudos to the engineer. I'm still getting a hold of the songs.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2019 14:11 (three weeks ago) link

This is pretty great.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 23 August 2019 14:27 (three weeks ago) link

I read the profile of him in the nytimes recently and yeah, the body count in his story is gut wrenching

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 23 August 2019 14:37 (three weeks ago) link

Did he play all the instruments again?

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 23 August 2019 14:39 (three weeks ago) link

this pops on a first spin.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 23 August 2019 14:42 (three weeks ago) link

That NY Times piece has me looking forward to this

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 August 2019 15:45 (three weeks ago) link

This is a JAM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDOtGrjSlzs

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2019 15:50 (three weeks ago) link

dude has put out a protest album with an honest to god unadorned downtempo guitar gospel track stuck in the middle of it and it works. this album should maybe have a devoted thread if anybody feels inclined?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 23 August 2019 15:57 (three weeks ago) link

there is a lot here to unpack for sure

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 23 August 2019 16:00 (three weeks ago) link

i had actually just been beating myself up as basic for thinking the most obvious comparison here is To Pimp a Butterfly when i finally got around to the uncredited Kendrick feature

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 23 August 2019 16:40 (three weeks ago) link

that's a fair comparison

ok second time through. This is damn good!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 23 August 2019 16:43 (three weeks ago) link

Riker's Island tho

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 23 August 2019 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

Awesome album. The bass playing throughout is quite something. Looking forward to spending more time with it.

kitchen person, Friday, 23 August 2019 17:36 (three weeks ago) link

the production on 'so ready' is elite

big city slam (Spottie), Friday, 23 August 2019 17:52 (three weeks ago) link

Saadiq is one of the quiet minor geniuses of modern music of the last 25 years (TTT, D'Angelo, Solange).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 August 2019 18:01 (three weeks ago) link

had a beer and a couple vape hits at lunch, this album is fucking me up so much! god damn he killed it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 23 August 2019 19:12 (three weeks ago) link

Truly looking forward to listening. "Instant Vintage" is a peerless classic for me.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 23 August 2019 19:30 (three weeks ago) link

wow @ "Kings Fall". Incredible performance and production

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 23 August 2019 19:43 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, i've been listening to this all weekend; time for a dedicated thread
Raphael Saadiq - Jimmy Lee- "He Was My Mama's Son"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:47 (three weeks ago) link


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