Raphael Saadiq - Jimmy Lee- "He Was My Mama's Son"

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From prior thread:

Interview about new album Jimmy Lee (out today):

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/raphael_saadiq_i_didnt_think_id_ever_make_a_record_like_jimmy_lee
― Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:05 PM

Jeezus:
**Jimmy Lee, who was only 42 when he passed away in 1998, isn't the only one of Saadiq's 13 siblings who died young or struggled with drugs. There was another brother, Desmond, who died by suicide trying to escape the clutches of his own addiction. Saadiq's brother Alvie was murdered over a drug-related dispute. One of Saadiq's sisters was a bystander in a police chase — her car was hit during the pursuit and she later died from her injuries. Saadiq learned about her death while recording the 1990 classic "It Never Rains (In Southern California)." There was yet another sister who survived her bout with drugs, but Saadiq says her life was "never quite the same" after getting sober.**
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:10 PM

Anyway, on first listen the album sounds fantastic. The rhythm section cooks -- kudos to the engineer. I'm still getting a hold of the songs.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:11 PM

This is pretty great.
― BlackIronPrison, Friday, August 23, 2019 2:27 PM

I read the profile of him in the nytimes recently and yeah, the body count in his story is gut wrenching
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:37 PM

Did he play all the instruments again?
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:39 PM

this pops on a first spin.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:42 PM

That NY Times piece has me looking forward to this
― curmudgeon, Friday, August 23, 2019 3:45 PM

This is a JAM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDOtGrjSlzs
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 3:50 PM

dude has put out a protest album with an honest to god unadorned downtempo guitar gospel track stuck in the middle of it and it works. this album should maybe have a devoted thread if anybody feels inclined?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 3:57 PM

there is a lot here to unpack for sure
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, August 23, 2019 4:00 PM

i had actually just been beating myself up as basic for thinking the most obvious comparison here is To Pimp a Butterfly when i finally got around to the uncredited Kendrick feature
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 4:40 PM

that's a fair comparison
ok second time through. This is damn good!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, August 23, 2019 4:43 PM

Riker's Island tho
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 5:16 PM

Awesome album. The bass playing throughout is quite something. Looking forward to spending more time with it.
― kitchen person, Friday, August 23, 2019 5:36 PM

the production on 'so ready' is elite
― big city slam (Spottie), Friday, August 23, 2019 5:52 PM

Saadiq is one of the quiet minor geniuses of modern music of the last 25 years (TTT, D'Angelo, Solange).
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 6:01 PM

had a beer and a couple vape hits at lunch, this album is fucking me up so much! god damn he killed it
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, August 23, 2019 7:12 PM

Truly looking forward to listening. "Instant Vintage" is a peerless classic for me.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, August 23, 2019 7:30 PM

wow @ "Kings Fall". Incredible performance and production
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, August 23, 2019 7:43 PM

Pretty sure this is going to be one of my faves of the year.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:46 (four months ago) link

checked this out last night and yeah, it's awesome. ran it back right away.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:48 (four months ago) link

magnificent record

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:09 (four months ago) link

Really nice to hear him funneling his live analog production thing back into beatmaking, in parts. Great record.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:22 (four months ago) link

the channel-changing transitions between tracks are actually all really awesome

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:28 (four months ago) link

feels sorta like saadiq's own (very modern but also drawing expansively on tradition) version of the first side of what's going on, all these different grievances and frustrations and deep-hearted beliefs bleeding into each other

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:31 (four months ago) link

it's immensely personal but also absolutely of its moment; definitely a quantum leap forward past the retro-soul stuff. beyond TPaB, I'm also reminded of Yusef Lateef's radio-dial switching album 'Part of the Search'

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:50 (four months ago) link

Yeah, this is the rare album whose autobiographical elements add ballast and pathos, and, like Gaye or Hathaway, the rhythm section's a mother.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2019 19:25 (four months ago) link

there's some clear black messiah dna in here too, if we're not done referencing excellent albums from 2014-2015.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Monday, 26 August 2019 19:31 (four months ago) link

such a thoughtful and brilliant album on so many levels. he makes it looks so easy.

gman59, Monday, 26 August 2019 20:44 (four months ago) link

Any credits floating around somewhere?

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 August 2019 20:47 (four months ago) link

this isn't an exact comparison but i feel like new amerykah should be part of the discussion here

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 18:25 (four months ago) link

This is *fantastic*, what a lovingly sequenced and arranged thing this is

Simon H., Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:40 (four months ago) link

this is really great, the bass is incredible. also impeccably produced, every sound is so good

ufo, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:44 (four months ago) link

huh I don't really hear the comparisons to Kendrick, Black Messiah or Badu (love all those) but this feels more pristine and precisely arranged, those all feel more loose and gritty....this makes me think of Maxwell more

in any case this is very good

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:25 (four months ago) link

that's a fair point ums

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:30 (four months ago) link

i almost feel like saadiq is approaching the more diffuse quality of those records from his mode of formal precision but idk

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:30 (four months ago) link

yeah it feels like a midpoint between those two to me

ufo, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:38 (four months ago) link

This is much too linear for Kendrick or Badu, and Saadiq's embrace of gospel is not theirs at all.

As usual he knows his own mind. Stone Rollin' didn't sound much like anyone else either.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:41 (four months ago) link

I can't wait to hear this. If it's as good as it seems, that's 4 classic albums in a row.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:43 (four months ago) link

this makes me think of Maxwell more

Definitely hear this comparison in the vocals, but it’s definitely more taut and message-oriented than Maxwell usually is

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:26 (four months ago) link

this seems deeply personal and sounds like a classic ALBUM album, simon otm about the sequencing.

Come look into my mind
Can someone heal my soul?
I'm losing all control
My love will never change

what a tease cutting it off after that!

something keeps calling is still the best standalone song on here imo. sounds so quik-ish even down to using rob bacon. i think he and quik must use similar equipment and recording techniques.

listening loudly opens this whole thing up even more. jordan here is what i was able to find on production credits:
https://istandardproducers.com/jimmy-lee-credits-and-streams/
not sure how accurate.

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:04 (four months ago) link

Reverend Elijah Baker appears to be Saadiq's uncle.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:09 (four months ago) link

Heh, I assumed that the drums on the first track were programmed or played on a sampler, since they're so tight and unlike RS's drumming. But it's totally believable that it's Chris Dave instead.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:26 (four months ago) link

video for something keeps calling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOrZgRJ88kc

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 23:46 (four months ago) link

little documentary from his youtube page too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSqT1BOc_-0

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 23:54 (four months ago) link

Liking this and I see that Maxwell tweeted approvingly of it in August. Old guy me saw Saadiq as part of Tony! Toni! Tone! open for Prince way back when and was impressed then, and still am.

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 September 2019 20:02 (four months ago) link

Seeing a Saadiq-less (but very fun) Tony! Toni! Tone! at the fair reminded me to pick this up. Already as great as any adjective above suggested.

geoffreyess, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:31 (four months ago) link

loving this album

omar little, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:41 (four months ago) link

Seems like critics are really sleeping on this record. It currently has just four ratings on here https://www.albumoftheyear.org/album/171012-raphael-saadiq-jimmy-lee.php

kitchen person, Saturday, 7 September 2019 01:23 (four months ago) link

It's a good album, not as eye-opening as Stone Rollin'. My problem with Saadiq is my suspicion that he's hiding something -- about himself, sexuality, something. This hedging smothers some good songs.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 September 2019 01:39 (four months ago) link

What an odd take.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:32 (four months ago) link

is it?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:36 (four months ago) link

i see no hedging here

Heez, Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:39 (four months ago) link

yeah idk that's how Saadiq has coded to me for years: his prodigiousness has masked a reluctance to fully engage his own material. These barriers aren't enough to occlude his many good to great moments.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:49 (four months ago) link

Tour dates:

Tour Dates:
01.23.2020 – San Diego, CA – House of Blues
01.24.2020 – Las Vegas, NV – Brooklyn Bowl
01.25.2020 – Phoenix, AZ – The Van Buren
01.27.2020 – Dallas, TX – House of Blues
01.28.2020 – New Orleans, LA – Tipitina's
01.30.2020 – Fort Lauderdale, FL – Parker Playhouse
01.31.2020 – Orlando, FL – The Plaza Live
02.01.2020 – Atlanta, GA – The Tabernacle
02.03.2020 – Asheville, NC – The Orange Peel
02.04.2020 – Nashville, TN – Marathon Music Works
02.05.2020 – Charlotte, NC – The Fillmore Charlotte
02.07.2020 – Norfolk, VA – The NorVa
02.08.2020 – Washington, DC – 9:30 Club
02.12.2020 – Philadelphia, PA – The Fillmore
02.13.2020 – New York, NY – Terminal 5
02.14.2020 – Newark, NJ – Prudential Hall
02.15.2020 – Boston, MA – Big Night Live
02.17.2020 – Louisville, KY – Old Forester's Paristown Hall
02.18.2020 – Royal Oak MI – Royal Oak Music Theatre
02.19.2020 – St. Louis, MO – The Pageant
02.21.2020 – Chicago, IL – Vic Theatre
02.22.2020 – Minneapolis, MN – First Avenue
02.25.2020 – Seattle, WA – Neptune
02.27.2020 – Portland, OR – Crystal Ballroom
02.28.2020 – Oakland, CA – Fox Theater
02.29.2020 – Los Angeles, CA – The Wiltern

maura, Monday, 16 September 2019 17:43 (four months ago) link

terminal 5?????

Mommy...can I go out and VAPE tonight? (voodoo chili), Monday, 16 September 2019 17:46 (four months ago) link

he JUST played new york last week at Webster but I was recovering from surgery.... terminal 5 does NOT sound like a great place to hear this album

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:10 (four months ago) link

it’s a bad place to hear anything

maura, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:54 (four months ago) link

big night live hasn’t even opened yet. but it has a guy fieri restaurant attached

maura, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:55 (four months ago) link

i saw frank ocean at terminal 5 at the height of the channel orange hype and that felt very much like the right place to see him
otherwise i agree with you

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 19:00 (four months ago) link

he JUST played new york last week at Webster but I was recovering from surgery.... terminal 5 does NOT sound like a great place to hear this album

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, September 16, 2019 11:10 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

gotta be real with y'all webster hall sucks ass too

new york, it's bad

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 16 September 2019 19:00 (four months ago) link

haven't been to the new webster yet so not sure what they've done to the layout.
possible places he could conceivably play where i would drop everything to see saadiq in NYC: joe's pub, LPR, BAM, Rough Trade, Bell House, baby's alright, town hall, skirball, the apollo

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 19:04 (four months ago) link

the rosalia show i saw at webster was incredible, but that has a lot more to do with rosalia than webster, which is basically the same as before but without the dinginess that made it charmingly miserable, instead of just miserable.

Mommy...can I go out and VAPE tonight? (voodoo chili), Monday, 16 September 2019 19:06 (four months ago) link

yeah, i liked that the old webster had all these side bars and places to sequester yourself; i imagine they got rid of that to MAXIMIZE SALES in the redesign

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 19:07 (four months ago) link

he JUST played new york last week at Webster

he played last week at music hall of williamsburg. did he play webster, too?

music hall show was him plus 3-piece guitar-bass-drums for most of the show, with other parts on backing tracks, and it was fine and all but i didn't think it did the album justice. hoping full tour means more of a full production.

album is fucking great.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 19 September 2019 05:42 (four months ago) link

Remarkable album but hard for me to listen to on repeat as much as I would like to. It's Saadiq's lament- which is not a complaint on my part- and the fact that parts of it are disguised within upbeat musical arrangements makes it hit it even more.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:18 (four months ago) link

xp i guess i was mistaken and it was MHoW and not Webster; must've misread or they rescheduled

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 19 September 2019 15:54 (four months ago) link

Ha! I posted that before watching the mini-docu above and he basically says "Yeah it may sound upbeat but there's heavy lyrical stuff happening with that fun music"

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 19 September 2019 16:01 (four months ago) link

xxpost "... makes it hit even more."

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 19 September 2019 16:03 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

This album as a whole somehow hasn’t clicked with me yet, but I really really love “This World is Drunk”.

breastcrawl, Monday, 18 November 2019 22:07 (two months ago) link

i'm probably gonna call this my favorite album for 2019

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 18 November 2019 22:34 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

nearly 40 minutes babyyyyyy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KKjBeAfdPg

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:12 (one month ago) link

that version of be here is stunning

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:29 (one month ago) link

also im gonne be needing that tele ... and the pink reversed headstock strat please.

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:29 (one month ago) link

agreed and same

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:30 (one month ago) link

rob bacon bless his heart

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:38 (one month ago) link

niiiiiice

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:06 (one month ago) link

thinking this is the best album of the year

10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:07 (one month ago) link

it's not quite getting the critical end-of-year love that I want to see but i guess that's always been the way with him

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:13 (one month ago) link

ugh so good (the Tiny Desk performance)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:52 (one month ago) link

And it's always bugged me how 'Still Ray' has such a prominent tuba part, and the tuba playing is so bad. This version is better.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 12 December 2019 19:49 (one month ago) link

aw man the tuba part always made the song for me. granted i couldnt really pinpoint the difference between good and bad/mediocre tuba playing

de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Thursday, 12 December 2019 19:54 (one month ago) link

Good set. Especially loved "This World Is Drunk". Wish he'd played more stuff off the new album. Lucky Daye's songs are ok but they're no match.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 13 December 2019 15:42 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

sinners prayer on repeat of late
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngPNDlZNPYA

omg what did you type to find this gif? (Spottie), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 05:37 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1en5ra3632M

whips

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:57 (yesterday) link

Album keeps growing on me.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 25 January 2020 05:12 (two hours ago) link


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