Raphael Saadiq - Jimmy Lee- "He Was My Mama's Son"

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From prior thread:

Interview about new album Jimmy Lee (out today):

http://exclaim.ca/music/article/raphael_saadiq_i_didnt_think_id_ever_make_a_record_like_jimmy_lee
― Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:05 PM

Jeezus:
**Jimmy Lee, who was only 42 when he passed away in 1998, isn't the only one of Saadiq's 13 siblings who died young or struggled with drugs. There was another brother, Desmond, who died by suicide trying to escape the clutches of his own addiction. Saadiq's brother Alvie was murdered over a drug-related dispute. One of Saadiq's sisters was a bystander in a police chase — her car was hit during the pursuit and she later died from her injuries. Saadiq learned about her death while recording the 1990 classic "It Never Rains (In Southern California)." There was yet another sister who survived her bout with drugs, but Saadiq says her life was "never quite the same" after getting sober.**
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:10 PM

Anyway, on first listen the album sounds fantastic. The rhythm section cooks -- kudos to the engineer. I'm still getting a hold of the songs.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:11 PM

This is pretty great.
― BlackIronPrison, Friday, August 23, 2019 2:27 PM

I read the profile of him in the nytimes recently and yeah, the body count in his story is gut wrenching
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:37 PM

Did he play all the instruments again?
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:39 PM

this pops on a first spin.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 2:42 PM

That NY Times piece has me looking forward to this
― curmudgeon, Friday, August 23, 2019 3:45 PM

This is a JAM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDOtGrjSlzs
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 3:50 PM

dude has put out a protest album with an honest to god unadorned downtempo guitar gospel track stuck in the middle of it and it works. this album should maybe have a devoted thread if anybody feels inclined?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 3:57 PM

there is a lot here to unpack for sure
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, August 23, 2019 4:00 PM

i had actually just been beating myself up as basic for thinking the most obvious comparison here is To Pimp a Butterfly when i finally got around to the uncredited Kendrick feature
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 4:40 PM

that's a fair comparison
ok second time through. This is damn good!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, August 23, 2019 4:43 PM

Riker's Island tho
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, August 23, 2019 5:16 PM

Awesome album. The bass playing throughout is quite something. Looking forward to spending more time with it.
― kitchen person, Friday, August 23, 2019 5:36 PM

the production on 'so ready' is elite
― big city slam (Spottie), Friday, August 23, 2019 5:52 PM

Saadiq is one of the quiet minor geniuses of modern music of the last 25 years (TTT, D'Angelo, Solange).
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, August 23, 2019 6:01 PM

had a beer and a couple vape hits at lunch, this album is fucking me up so much! god damn he killed it
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, August 23, 2019 7:12 PM

Truly looking forward to listening. "Instant Vintage" is a peerless classic for me.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, August 23, 2019 7:30 PM

wow @ "Kings Fall". Incredible performance and production
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, August 23, 2019 7:43 PM

Pretty sure this is going to be one of my faves of the year.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

checked this out last night and yeah, it's awesome. ran it back right away.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:48 (two weeks ago) link

magnificent record

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:09 (two weeks ago) link

Really nice to hear him funneling his live analog production thing back into beatmaking, in parts. Great record.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

the channel-changing transitions between tracks are actually all really awesome

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

feels sorta like saadiq's own (very modern but also drawing expansively on tradition) version of the first side of what's going on, all these different grievances and frustrations and deep-hearted beliefs bleeding into each other

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:31 (two weeks ago) link

it's immensely personal but also absolutely of its moment; definitely a quantum leap forward past the retro-soul stuff. beyond TPaB, I'm also reminded of Yusef Lateef's radio-dial switching album 'Part of the Search'

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, this is the rare album whose autobiographical elements add ballast and pathos, and, like Gaye or Hathaway, the rhythm section's a mother.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2019 19:25 (two weeks ago) link

there's some clear black messiah dna in here too, if we're not done referencing excellent albums from 2014-2015.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Monday, 26 August 2019 19:31 (two weeks ago) link

such a thoughtful and brilliant album on so many levels. he makes it looks so easy.

gman59, Monday, 26 August 2019 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

Any credits floating around somewhere?

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 August 2019 20:47 (two weeks ago) link

this isn't an exact comparison but i feel like new amerykah should be part of the discussion here

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

This is *fantastic*, what a lovingly sequenced and arranged thing this is

Simon H., Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:40 (two weeks ago) link

this is really great, the bass is incredible. also impeccably produced, every sound is so good

ufo, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:44 (two weeks ago) link

huh I don't really hear the comparisons to Kendrick, Black Messiah or Badu (love all those) but this feels more pristine and precisely arranged, those all feel more loose and gritty....this makes me think of Maxwell more

in any case this is very good

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:25 (two weeks ago) link

that's a fair point ums

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

i almost feel like saadiq is approaching the more diffuse quality of those records from his mode of formal precision but idk

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

yeah it feels like a midpoint between those two to me

ufo, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:38 (two weeks ago) link

This is much too linear for Kendrick or Badu, and Saadiq's embrace of gospel is not theirs at all.

As usual he knows his own mind. Stone Rollin' didn't sound much like anyone else either.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:41 (two weeks ago) link

I can't wait to hear this. If it's as good as it seems, that's 4 classic albums in a row.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:43 (two weeks ago) link

this makes me think of Maxwell more

Definitely hear this comparison in the vocals, but it’s definitely more taut and message-oriented than Maxwell usually is

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

this seems deeply personal and sounds like a classic ALBUM album, simon otm about the sequencing.

Come look into my mind
Can someone heal my soul?
I'm losing all control
My love will never change

what a tease cutting it off after that!

something keeps calling is still the best standalone song on here imo. sounds so quik-ish even down to using rob bacon. i think he and quik must use similar equipment and recording techniques.

listening loudly opens this whole thing up even more. jordan here is what i was able to find on production credits:
https://istandardproducers.com/jimmy-lee-credits-and-streams/
not sure how accurate.

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:04 (two weeks ago) link

Reverend Elijah Baker appears to be Saadiq's uncle.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

Heh, I assumed that the drums on the first track were programmed or played on a sampler, since they're so tight and unlike RS's drumming. But it's totally believable that it's Chris Dave instead.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

video for something keeps calling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOrZgRJ88kc

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

little documentary from his youtube page too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSqT1BOc_-0

big city slam (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 23:54 (two weeks ago) link

Liking this and I see that Maxwell tweeted approvingly of it in August. Old guy me saw Saadiq as part of Tony! Toni! Tone! open for Prince way back when and was impressed then, and still am.

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 September 2019 20:02 (one week ago) link

Seeing a Saadiq-less (but very fun) Tony! Toni! Tone! at the fair reminded me to pick this up. Already as great as any adjective above suggested.

geoffreyess, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:31 (one week ago) link

loving this album

omar little, Friday, 6 September 2019 20:41 (one week ago) link

Seems like critics are really sleeping on this record. It currently has just four ratings on here https://www.albumoftheyear.org/album/171012-raphael-saadiq-jimmy-lee.php

kitchen person, Saturday, 7 September 2019 01:23 (one week ago) link

It's a good album, not as eye-opening as Stone Rollin'. My problem with Saadiq is my suspicion that he's hiding something -- about himself, sexuality, something. This hedging smothers some good songs.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 September 2019 01:39 (one week ago) link

What an odd take.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:32 (one week ago) link

is it?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:36 (one week ago) link

i see no hedging here

Heez, Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:39 (one week ago) link

yeah idk that's how Saadiq has coded to me for years: his prodigiousness has masked a reluctance to fully engage his own material. These barriers aren't enough to occlude his many good to great moments.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:49 (one week ago) link


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