Techno/House Bobbins of the past

Oh for fuck's sake, Can a moderator move this to ILM.

Excellent idea. Both ideas are excellent.

i've recently picked up some 12"s on the old forcetracks label. this one in particular is pretty good. any recommendations for other forcetracks stuff (besides luomo)?

I'm quite enjoying John Beltran lately, that very mid-90's Detroity ambient techno sound.

Also, Agaric - Virke (liebe Detail 10 from 2006) is killing me right now.

which John Beltran are you listening too? Placid Angles is awesome.

love 'Decembers Tragedy' by Beltran, mehlt's description being the reason

I think Decembers Tragedy was used in the HBO series Six Feet Under.. It was cool hearing as a soundtrack.

Dub Taylor had a couple good/great LP's + 12"s on Force Tracks.

also check the label Raum...Musik for other pre-bobbins sounds.

Beltran's Ten Days of Blue LP on Peacefrog is classic from the first sound to the last.

In terms of Force Tracks MRI's All That Glitters is one I come back to cos it's pure pop. "Tied to the 80's" is from a an 80's TV theme and the dub Aaliyah cover is soo cool.

Heh, I was playing All That Glitters a moment ago - first Vinyl I ever owned.

I've been listening to the Beltran Stuff of Stryax Leaves, which is a really great label by the way, which are rereleases from older stuff. 'Anticipation' is wonderful, and "vienna" is beautiful little piece of classical string sampling.

Heh, I was playing All That Glitters a moment ago - first Vinyl I ever owned.

jesus.

In my defense, I'm only 19.

All That Glitters, I still come back to that one too. Esp. side 1 and YEA the aaliyah tribute!

Speaking of Force, I want to rep for the Star You Star Me album (esp. "Perfect Day" and "Sweet Things", which are mighty swoonful).

Akufen tunes on force tracks are belters.

Akufen! That guy disappeared off the grid for the last couple years as far as releases have gone, right?

He's apparently putting out an album this year!

I don't know why, but I found the MRI album to be really irritating with a few exceptions. I still need to hear the Mathias Schaffhäuser and Crank AK stuff on FT.

In my defense, I'm only 19.

heh i wasn't zinging , you just made me feel old and useless. i have and love the 'all that glitters' double vinyl btw, esp the title track.

Tied To The 80s is a gorgeous track - I heard it via gareth via spencer chow but I'm not sure I heard any other MRI.

Crane A.K.'s Pink Eyed Pony seems fairly typical of the Force Tracks roster to me. Deep, dubby, bouncy, clicky. More minimal than Dub Taylor, a bit too polite?

a couple of v old classics i recently encountered:

Jesse Saunders - On And On
good electro-boogie/house crossover but you could make a good case for this as first house track ever maybe (released in 84 but maybe first recorded in 83)

Farley Jackmaster Funk - Jackin The Trax
to hear it you'd believe hercules & love affair have been basing much of their sound on this one track. great house with that macabre synth hook seemingly taking its cue from italo and electro from a few years earlier.

second one is m4a btw

i also put this on the prescription thread: http://www.sendspace.com/file/85v4yg

romanthony - the wanderer (journeyman thump)

I saw the Ladomat 100 compilation in a charity shop today, listening to it now the pre-Kompakt quirkyness seems so great. I think I should hunt down more of this stuff.

the only thing on Ladomat 2000 i've heard is this, which i like. what else is worth checking for?

this is all-time top 10 luv 4eva material: http://www.discogs.com/release/49178

This Ladomat 2000 is all-time top 10 too - http://www.discogs.com/release/17353

Bobbins galore: http://www.youtube.com/user/HouseMasterz

hardwax appears to have copies of moodymann's ultra-classic 'dem young sconies' 12". a repress, perhaps?? in any case, can't rate this one highly enough.

I would be real surprised if Dem Young Sconies was an OP. That record makes you wonder what would have happened if KDJ had decided to concentrate on techno. That record hasn't left my crate in years.

Model 500 'Starlight' is still a favorite of mine. Play doubles of that late at night. The recent Echospace/Deepchord remixes are alright, but the original holds up just fine. Others I still love, Ken Iishi 'Overlap (Mark Broom mix)', Joey Beltram 'Energy Flash', Burger/Ink 'Las Vegas', Axis' lp on Guidance, Moodyman 'Forevermore', Jay Dee 'Plastic Dreams' must still be making them money, i see new remixes of that every year. Then, play Irresistable Force's 'Flying High' over some djax to kick out the jams.

Yeah that's weird about "Dem Young Sconies" appearing at Hardwax. Do they sell bootleg stuff? I mean there is always the chance that Planet E re-pressed it I suppose, but I would think they would've used one of the Planet E Classics labels or something rather than the original label like they're showing on the Hardwax site.

hardwax sold the sharevari repress, which was rumored to be a bootleg, so who knows?

i'm all for bootlegs of shit that never gets repressed, though (like sharevari).

True and the "Sharevari" boot just feels very different from a bootleg of an active label that has even been re-pressing some of it's "Classics." No judgement in these statements (I got both the "Sharevari" and "U Can Dance If U Want 2" bootlegs) just wondering.

i didn't know there was a bootleg of "u can dance"

totally awesome

but i'm still waiting for the "moody trax" boot

"Yeah that's weird about "Dem Young Sconies" appearing at Hardwax. Do they sell bootleg stuff? I mean there is always the chance that Planet E re-pressed it I suppose, but I would think they would've used one of the Planet E Classics labels or something rather than the original label like they're showing on the Hardwax site.

-- matt2"

a bunch of DYS 12" appeared at the Planet E booth at DEMF 06 (i think it was) along with the original Designer Music 4 track EP. DYS was $5, DM was $15. i got em both as each was amongst my most wanted Planet E's.....

All the more proof that it's really unacceptable that I've never made it to DEMF. I keep trying to convince my wife that it would be a great vacation.

is this the right place to ask about forever sweet-- namely, is anything else they did as perfect as "bleed"? does other ladomat stuff sound similar?

"All the more proof that it's really unacceptable that I've never made it to DEMF. I keep trying to convince my wife that it would be a great vacation.

-- matt2"

it is a great vacation. i bring my wife and my younger sister with me every year. at least 20 of my friends go up every year from pittsburgh as well, not even counting all the people i know from around the world who show up. its as good of a time as you can have if you like dance music.

That'd be the problem. Wifey loves dancing but doesn't like "dance music." It only takes about 30 seconds of any synthetic beat of the thump-thump-thump-thump-this-is-going-to-be-a-dance-song variety and my wife gets extreme anxiety. She loves Depeche Mode and plenty of early 90's poppier house stuff but can't stomach a moment of "true" techno, even something as gorgeous as "R-Theme" or "Dominas." I know, it doesn't make sense to me either.

My bf and I went for the first time last year and hope to make it a tradition. He is not into dance music/music in general as much as I am, but he's willing to indulge me and has family in Michigan so it works out. It is our one chance each year to hear this music in its "proper" setting (i.e. not between a pair of headphones or blasting from my car).

Yeah, I'm pretty much asked to keep the beats in my headphones.

I really, really want to go to DEMF again this year but it overlaps with a 2 week Germany trip. I guess that balances out.

Just got this one yesterday: http://www.discogs.com/release/4982

The locked groove on the A side is perfect. I let it play for 10 or 15 minutes yesterday.

"That'd be the problem. Wifey loves dancing but doesn't like "dance music." It only takes about 30 seconds of any synthetic beat of the thump-thump-thump-thump-this-is-going-to-be-a-dance-song variety and my wife gets extreme anxiety. She loves Depeche Mode and plenty of early 90's poppier house stuff but can't stomach a moment of "true" techno, even something as gorgeous as "R-Theme" or "Dominas." I know, it doesn't make sense to me either.

-- matt2"

man, that sucks. get her some good drugs and take her there, maybe she'll have a religious experience and you can all live happily ever after ;)

on the other hand, you could just go by yourself! there are lots of friendly techno nerds there.....

got a few things today. soul center III which is pretty cool, very unique sounding.

also got this psi performer remixes and am just listening to it now. has anyone heard the album?

and should i go back to the shop and pick up Sten - Leaving The Frantic for $6?

Kawabata - "Persuasion (Serafin's Back To New York Re-Interpretation)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidh4GHXRK4

feel like the Mountain People adjacent stuff from that brief post-minimal period of full on Kerri Chandler worship in the late 00s is underrated and sounds remarkably fresh a decade on

Lot of great Mountain People stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0D_1NGwQdI

This Peter Dildo track from I think 2006 is the go to MP MVP

nice. I like this Rozzo tune also on Trackdown, it's kind of funny that he was using multiple pseudonyms at the time for what was more or less the same sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFiPFWTUFY

an obvious choice maybe but I think my fav Mountain People track is Mountain003, the insanely hypnotic latin percussion laden one. the b-side to that record is a p shameless "Bar-a-thym" rip-off/homage but good also

Of the official series releases I go for 007 and 008, but the later period 013 is nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZp8pigSbO4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzEWz41zWCU

Oh, and 004, though I prefer this edit, which I don't think ever got an official release

"Berlin Has No Cows" from 002 is another great one, love the lonely synth pads that come in during the breakdown. Serafin is an under appreciated producer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iBeYhxUvQ8

thanks for the heads up on 013, I completely slept on their later works tbh. not for this thread obvs but now checking out 017 from this year ... they literally just released a new record (018) like last week as well—cool!

fuck sorry last one but this Serafin remix is sicker than the first one I posted, unrelenting microkerri giddiness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhnocDhYt9A

It's so funny, I find all of this stuff really bland!

yeah I can see people reacting like that for sure, I mean much of this stuff is very clean and clinical and tool-y by design ... I guess it's partly a case of being intentionally very functional music and p much invariant in terms of mood, almost like a kind of "meta house" in the way in which it takes a resolutely singular approach to groove and harmony and just presents it via these subtle, hypnotic structural permutations ... I think it's all p genius tbh but I have awful taste anyway

this 12” by shadowrun on mountain people from last year I like a lot

https://www.discogs.com/release/15451168-Shadowdrum-Matin-Bleu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzgBLOqsSQ

Double Helix - Witness, from 2003

Not heard this Ypsilanti duo before, releasing here on Tom Churchills label

This was always my preferred Mountain People jam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWhK4xPSwJE

not to belabour the point but I honestly think 001-006 (the ones I'm most familiar with lol) are among some of the purest expressions of house music qua house music ever put to vinyl ... I guess I find that hyper-focussed reductive approach eternally appealing, it really feels like the perfect late morning / early afternoon after-party music, just neutral and beautiful and unthinking like an Agnes Martin canvas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJzFEZmWEw

If we're still in the mountains, lets make room for the silliness of 007

Absolutely appreciating the Mountain People love on this thread. Thanks for your recommendations. They do all sound very similar but then I think that’s the point of this music.

It all reminds me of good Herbert.

not to belabour the point but I honestly think 001-006 (the ones I'm most familiar with lol) are among some of the purest expressions of house music qua house music ever put to vinyl ... I guess I find that hyper-focussed reductive approach eternally appealing, it really feels like the perfect late morning / early afternoon after-party music, just neutral and beautiful and unthinking like an Agnes Martin canvas

― missingNO, Friday, October 8, 2021 10:33 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is definitely belaboring the point. "Purest expressions of house music qua house music"? You and I are listening to very different house music.

I know that sometimes when I've pushed back on Bobbins threads in recent memory, it's been read as being "an asshole," but I'm really not trying to be a jerk— I just don't hear what y'all are hearing, at all.

(Also these sorts of friendly disagreements used to happen all the time on ILM Bobbins threads when I first joined, so I'm truly posting in that spirit)

I do miss the days of 100 post arguments over villalobos remixes, which are the purest expression of ilm house discourse, but also feel like there’s not much to “argue” about re: Mountan People and that style. It just kind of does what it does in that “neutral, unthinking” way, but I don’t see that as resulting only in positive experiences. Very easy to see how it comes across as just “neutral and thinking” (read: “boring”) but it’s a quality I’ve developed a taste for, as in similar stuff by Cab Drivers, and perfected by people like Thomas Melchior. It’s very “ordinary” and routinized but in a way that has enough quirks and subtleties to do “ordinary” differently.

Yeah, I think I just find most Mountain People stuff really boring— "neutral" is perhaps the best descriptor for it, and while I like a fair amount of music (and even house) that might be described this way, I find most MP records to be completely lacking in affect or color. Not for me...

I guess that part of the reason why I push back, perhaps, is that it seems so diametrically opposed to some of the West End stuff that was being praised on this thread a few posts prior, which I also found awfully dull— a lot of West End stuff is kind of by-the-numbers deep house or disco-inflected NY house, and the tracks that were posted weren't anything special...

But I think my tastes are really different than a lot of others around here, it seems, which is fine. Just makes for some bafflement on my part, at times.

i don't have a horse in this race but tbh i don't even know what house music is anymore.

i do have some ... possibly boring ... thoughts on what constitutes boring dance music, for me, personally. i'm still working out how to explain it, but it's basically any track with static, loop-based construction with no musical phrasing happening. where you can hear the ableton layout, basically. i don't mind very simple or reduced musicality, a slowly evolving filter over some jittery effect for example, but when there's just 32-bar loops stacked on top of each other it sounds completely dead to me, actually makes me irrationally angry. there's a lot of stuff out there like this! i'm always listening for musical phrasing and if it goes somewhere interesting or unexpected-but-perfect then even better.

I feel that, too. A decade ago I interviewed Rolando and he said, "it's all just techno to me man," and while that's a truism at this point, it really is all just techno or house to me— even when I'm listening to something that's more like drum'n'bass or trance or whatever, my reference points always go back to house or techno.

It's funny, this discussion has made me think of artists I like that *do* use really repetitive musical gestures and make "workmanlike" tracks, and one is the ever-elusive POM POM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvfUx2NhT2c

My first thoughts as to why I like a track like the above but don't like Mountain People is mostly one of timing and "vibes"— I tend toward more minimal, late-night, industrial sounds, particularly in my techno. Polite loopy stuff to "come down" to rarely moves me, probably because in my raving days I was very much into ambient music or silence for those moments. My tastes in house are more traditional, maybe, in that I tend to dig the more "organic" sounds of people like Theo Parrish and that whole wheelhouse.

I can see why these Mountain People tracks seem boring, but I can also imagine it being 6am and lost in the groove in a warehouse and feeling those warm chords wash over me. They're not obvious hits or thrilling moments but I'm listening to 007.1 as posted upthread and there's a hi-hat coming in that's made me quicken up. I'm not sure I'd love a whole night of this but dance music singles never exist in a vacuum.

Totally. Those MP tracks are nice grooves to slide into a set of diverse house tracks.

Lol, it makes sense I’ve never got, and often straight up disliked, Pom Pom. But all that means to me is, when you’re dealing with fairly stripped down and repetitive tracks, a minor inclination to certain moods and sonic flavours really makes or breaks the track. I mean, there’s SO much bad late 00s deep house, and a lot of that comes down to that “you can see the abelton arrangements” quality (lol, remember when Oslo and mobilee were hot shit?), and listening to MP today, it hear something that’s outlived it’s contemporaries.

just sampling the mp tracks they sounded very good to me, i like the reduced kerri chandler thing going on, plus enough happening to keep me entranced and moving.

but honestly, and i find this more and more, i have to listen to a whole track from beginning to end at least once to know if i like it or not, and lately i feel like i can only devote that time to certain things. i do need to make a project out of listening to everything posted in these threads without an agenda before the end of the year.

I'm not sure I'd love a whole night of this

Thats a fault of a DJ not the fault of any particular record!

Well yes, I didn't want to hit out with a cheesy cliche but a good DJ can make a decent record sound phenomenal in context and these are the kind of things I can imagine work really well as bridge-building moments in a set.

I didn't mean that exactly! More that however great a record might be you still want ebb and flow with other records, and for things to go around the corner and find pockets of space too

Break SL on philpot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Abhply77Fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thv38Yp4PF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qduy_1cRi78

Daryl Bryant - Under My Spell (1998) fitting that early afternoon vibe

Like that.

Wish one of my fave Philpot records were available on YouTube but alas

the samples on the Clone website give a good idea. sick record, think i picked it up at Halcyon the year it came out

https://clone.nl/item6947.html

more limpid Zürich reductionism, this time from Canson on Morris Audio Citysport Edition (2003)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrxVsTdTv1c

One of Dave Clarke's first releases and now 30 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGLbp5veVgs

Satoshi Fumi presents Owl - "Do It The Music" (Italic, 2005), jazzy astrodynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utT3Z3wUrNY

Nitzer Ebb - "Fun To Be Had (Steve Masters 12" Mix)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xu3uNPiX-0

(p sure that's a re-edit of the Dust Brothers' mix from this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAoaDOOa7c

Queen Factory - Good Year

Came across this understated Wednesday morning bus stop dreamer from 2002 recently. Incongruously, its the flip side of a remix of Queen's Another One Bites The Dust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0nRl0m-CTM

Daff - Reversal (2000)

Wondered about this mysterious escapade for some time! Looks like the only release by the artist, and the only release on the label

sick live set by Cabanne from 2004! I miss this quirky, funky, irreverent style of 00s minimal house music, labels like Telegraph, Musique Risque, Circus Company, Karat, Minibar, et al. ... who in 2021 is making stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCthwpo4q3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoIni8mhq8

Malcolm Moore - Nomad Mood (2010).

One from the sea bed, could never find on yt before but its up there now, surveying the steppe

missingNO, I don't know who is making music like that anymore. That style seems to have really fallen off in a huge way.

I also think, tho, that some of that kind of thing became subsumed by the more minimal ends of tech-house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PosOz9j13uE

Fresh & Low ‎– Funky Daze (1997)

Didn't realize this was an F&L track, might be the best one too

Love that "quirky, funky, irreverent style of 00s minimal house" but can't think of many artist doing it now that aren't the artists doing it 15 years ago, though one example that comes to mind is Digby. My sense is a lot of quirky/funky/irreverent house is coming out, but it's has this bold sound that's unlike the microhouse style of Cabanne/that mix, while the microhousey stuff tends to be more serious.

Should go in the bobbins 21 thread but this seems relevant here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRBNUItM1g

Nitzer Ebb - "Fun To Be Had (Steve Masters 12" Mix)"

<3 <3 <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s_rRvFIRvc