OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

From this week's R&R (Reviewed & Rated) section of Exeter University Guild Of Students' magnificent student paper, Exeposé...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screengrabs/onsellingoutexepose.jpg

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Argh, nu-ilx has shrunk it slightly past readable; here's a direct link - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screengrabs/onsellingoutexepose.jpg

I just boggled at this over my lunch.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link

"Jonny" is a name for gaywads

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link

This only proves again that editors and writers are two different professions. Hence the two names.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link

You are actually posting a scan of an article from a student newspaper as the basis for a thread, aren't you? Good lord.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link

It's a screengrab from the pdf off the website! They didn't have a normal text version...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:28 (thirteen years ago) link

can you link to the website? photobucket seems to be banned here.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.exepose.ex.ac.uk

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

goes from strength to strength -- feeder mention is possibly the high point.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link

System of a Down's top 20 single was six and a half years ago, fact fans.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:32 (thirteen years ago) link

"Recent developments in music have given Architechs a top 5 single"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link

surely this can't be THE jonny garrett?

http://www.myspace.com/chasingfaces

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link

(yeah, they have a myspace already, the sellouts)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I suspect it must be, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I assume, from their name that they like Snow Patrol and The Small Faces.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link

um, holding up articles by students as examples of 'bad music writing'? talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Matt DC OTM.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Following in the footsteps of West Country acts like Muse and Thirteen Senses by already winning over interest from various major and independent record labels, things are definitely looking good for the boys. Having recently been asked to support New Zealand favourites The Checks who have just finished touring with the likes of JET and Oasis.

"I know someone who knows someone who knows the guy from Young Heart Attack quite well"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Even in the realm of student media this is BAAAAAAAAD though, Steve - I flick through Exepose every week and this is BY FAR the worst thing I've ever seen in it; hence not starting a thread every week.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha I used to write for that paper. I wonder how long before he Googles his own name and finds it.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link

It would be so wonderful if he googled this thread and responded. What an utterly thrilling discussion and exchange of views that could lead to.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link

(my question: is the article motivated by his own band possibly signing to a major soon?)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe I should unleash the views of Chris Erasmus at you all?

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha, yeah, I'd imagine so, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Hello Jonny's mom! No, he hasn't posted about his sex life yet. Try again later. Bye, ILX.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (11 minutes ago) Link

Dom is entirely correct here. I mean, the chuckle factor is diminished by him being a student, but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

sanskrit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Nobody knows how to sub-edit when they're 21, that's why.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link

^^not unrelated to why writers in the say, New York Times tend to sound the same. for that matter, ever read Blender? Despite the bylines it seems to be written by one many-armed poprockbot.

m coleman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link

that really is quite incredible.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link

New York Times doesn't have sub-editors? That's crazy!

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey Jonny, your band fucking suck.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Jonny Garrett of Exeter University, that is.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I think you mean <a href="OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?;>Jonny Garrett</a> of Exeter University.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link

BOO HTML

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University. Those bastards have had it their own way for too long.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Westlife even exist anymore?

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link

highlights:

"...bands like westlife who can, quite frankly, go screw themselves with a rusty spoon and get tetanus"

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard one of the most influential artists of our time and dave grohl may have never founded the foo fighters."

the pathos!

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

democratization of criticism = people slagging this shit off just because they can rather than for any constructive cause. it's just easy target practice, who gives a shit? no-one/nothing is ever going to stop under-grads inheriting these absurd ideas about 'how things should be' in the music industry. surely we've all read this same article many times in the past.

i'm just more relieved than ever my music writing from college days was too soon for blog-era internet heh.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.

NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.

and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!

ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag

or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

what is NRX? In my line of work "Whig history" is definitely something people talk about.

Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:43 (two months ago) link

Whig history is a standard designation in historiography ime

rob, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:43 (two months ago) link

NRX = dark enlightenment

rob, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:44 (two months ago) link

i.e., neo-reactionary

rob, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:44 (two months ago) link

(I am also today literally working on Whig history, as in, history of the Whigs (well, of one prominent Whig in particularly, and of his Whigness, fwiw))

Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:44 (two months ago) link

dark enlightenment? think I will stay away.

Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:45 (two months ago) link

I feel like Mordy started a thread on it at some point, but maybe it was just a strand within the alt-right one?

rob, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:48 (two months ago) link

yeah I don't touch that stuff

Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:49 (two months ago) link

I also don't get the premise of the crate-digging revelation. Maybe he's not finding a lot of Hendrix records because everyone's hanging onto them(?)

Get your filthy hands off my asp (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:51 (two months ago) link

Oh cool, thanks, genuinely didn't know it was a mainstream historical term. Yeah, you're fine staying away from NRx.

magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:58 (two months ago) link

yeah I'm not a chart nerd, but this whole list seems like a solid refutation of the claim: https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1968-10-19

rob, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:00 (two months ago) link

It's a shame about Land amidst other NRx stuff, because some of his earlier thought is really insightful. He allowed me to feel like I really understood Kant for the first time. The turn toward fascism, while not totally surprising in retrospect, is very disappointing.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:13 (two months ago) link

"whig interpretation of history" is absolutely a milquetoast idea in the political analysis history, not something invented by or a gateway drug for the nrx

this is the classic text:
https://cdn.waterstones.com/bookjackets/large/9780/4137/9780413772701.jpg

mark s, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:07 (two months ago) link

correct

budo jeru, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:11 (two months ago) link

Yeah, completely believe it, not contesting that at all. Just a testament to my ignorance of political history scholarship that I came across it in the context of NRx guys who wanted to redpill the Whig version of history.

magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:13 (two months ago) link

which tbf is what the easy listening guy wants to do

magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:21 (two months ago) link

it's not actually a very good way to think about history!

ps i am not a nazi

mark s, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:32 (two months ago) link

mark s confirmed nazi, just as I suspected.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:34 (two months ago) link

lots of questions already answered by mark s’s “i am not a nazi” t-shirt

solo scampito (mh), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:46 (two months ago) link

mark s is the lead singer of Laibach.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:47 (two months ago) link

eighteen thirty four, i took the whig party to war,

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 18:53 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.theringer.com/music/2020/10/1/21494313/radiohead-best-songs-ranked

Radiohead is immune to hyperbole. Many will say “Radiohead is the soundtrack to my life,” and those people aren’t wrong. Others will say “Radiohead is so boring. I don’t get it,” like Kid Rock did in 2001, and … well, who is going to argue Radiohead with the guy who wrote “Bawitdaba”? The fact is Radiohead is Radiohead, existing in its own musical world. Similar to predecessors like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and R.E.M., Radiohead has legions of fans, and endless cycles of rereleased, remastered, and reappraised albums. It’s with good reason. For the past 25 years, these five creeps have defined alternative rock.

The fact is Radiohead is Radiohead

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:06 (one month ago) link

For the past 25 years, these five creeps have defined alternative rock.

For the past 25 years, these five creeps have defined alternative rock.

For the past 25 years, these five creeps have defined alternative rock.

For the past 25 years, these five creeps have defined alternative rock.

For the past 25 years, these five creeps have defined alternative rock.

pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:14 (one month ago) link

Christian suburbanites

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

The fact is Radiohead is Radiohead

where is the lie???

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:21 (one month ago) link

… well, who is going to argue Radiohead with the guy who wrote “Bawitdaba”?

pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

Furthermore, I am me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

Anticipation for the OK Computer follow-up built a comparable head of buzz to Britney Spears doing it again, Eminem threatening moms, and Mystikal yelling, “Shake ya ass, but watch yourself.”

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:23 (one month ago) link

Just saw the author's name. What if this is all a ploy by the similarly named Icelandic band of Ágætis byrjun fame to dislodge their direct competitors in the annals?

pomenitul, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:25 (one month ago) link

https://www.cjnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Burning-Bush-Moses-Ten-Commandments-Movie.jpg

Radiohead is that Radiohead is

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:25 (one month ago) link

head of buzz to Britney Spears

i see what you did there and i hate it

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:27 (one month ago) link

gonna start a radiohead / cure mashup cover band and call it "these five imaginary creeps." we need a singer and a bass player, who's in?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:30 (one month ago) link

The fact is Radiohead is Radiohead

He uses the same, um, rhetorical device just a few paragraphs later

Radiohead released their seventh album straight to fans, famously using a pay-what-you-want model. The move pissed off Trent Reznor, who then realized he was Trent Reznor and used a similar tactic for his next two Nine Inch Nails albums.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:37 (one month ago) link

Similar to predecessors like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and R.E.M.,

Where "predecessors" = "groups of white dudes who released records in the 20th Century," I guess?

Because I am not sure in what precise ways Radiohead is the successor to those bands.

And, if the criterion is simply "people who made music before Radiohead did," well, that's a pretty broad category that would, presumably, also include Mozart, Percy Faith, and GWAR.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 October 2020 17:46 (one month ago) link

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mathonan/radiohead-kid-a-20th-anniversary

As you might expect, because I am a white Gen X’er bro in my late forties who was not cool enough to be familiar with Aphex Twin but was hip enough to shit all over U2, I really like Radiohead’s Kid Awhich came out 20 years ago this week.

It’s easy to forget just how good things seemed back in October 2000. The prevailing mood was one of optimism. The Cold War was over. The Supreme Court had not yet handed a contested election to George W. Bush. The 9/11 attacks were a year away. Climate change still seemed like a distant concern. The economy was in the midst of the dot-com boom/bubble. The internet was going to bring us all together in a marketplace of ideas, make the world a better place. Handjobs all around. And in the middle of all that, Radiohead rolled out Kid A.

(...)

The planet is dying, there’s a pandemic that’s killed a million people and counting, cops are still killing Black people, the country is being rent apart by racism and hate, it’s red state versus blue state, California is literally on fire, and did you even see the fucking debate? Did you see it? Jesus. Talk about “Idioteque.”

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Friday, 2 October 2020 00:40 (four weeks ago) link

Radiohead’s Kid A — which came out 20 years ago this week

just staring at this realizing I’ve lived more post-Kid A than pre-Kid A life and drafting my thinkpiece on what that means

mh, Friday, 2 October 2020 00:51 (four weeks ago) link

not cool enough to be familiar with Aphex Twin but was hip enough to shit all over U2


lol who’s this guy he sucks

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 2 October 2020 00:58 (four weeks ago) link

He's the "BuzzFeed News San Francisco Bureau Chief"

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Friday, 2 October 2020 01:03 (four weeks ago) link

I’ve been a chief, this guy ain’t no chief of nothin

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 2 October 2020 01:10 (four weeks ago) link

Tombot knew Jack Kennedy. Tomboy served with Jack Kennedy.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 2 October 2020 01:12 (four weeks ago) link

Crud, Tombot, sorry

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 2 October 2020 01:13 (four weeks ago) link

It’s easy to forget just how good things seemed back in October 2000. The prevailing mood was one of optimism.

Ha ha what the fuck

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 2 October 2020 02:40 (four weeks ago) link

i remember my October 2000 "Everything's Going Great!" party well

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 2 October 2020 03:27 (four weeks ago) link

Hahahaha @ “The Cold War was over”

That happened like a decade earlier. You might as well say people were excited about Madchester bands

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 2 October 2020 04:15 (four weeks ago) link

In addition to his music career, Van Halen will forever be remembered by fans for his contributions to pop culture and film, including cameos in series such as Frasier and Two and a Half Men and being one of the titular characters’ driving forces in Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure.

Frozen CD, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 03:25 (three weeks ago) link

hahaha

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 07:32 (three weeks ago) link

was that written by billy eilish?

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 07:32 (three weeks ago) link

Entirely correct though.

chap, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 21:01 (three weeks ago) link

From Scaruffi

(I capitalized all the song titles because Autechre's lower-case habit is misleading. It may lead to confuse the music with the design: the lower-case titles are part of the design, and the design has indeed remained high-class; but that doesn't translate into an appreciation of the music, although one could claim that the "content" includes both the design and the music).

Yes, I understand things better now that the titles are capitalized!

Pataphysician, Friday, 16 October 2020 03:12 (two weeks ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.