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the greatest band ever
the worst band ever
are ok
overrated
overplayed
overrated and overplayed
wouldnt be so legendary without john
wouldnt be so legendary withour paul
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Zeno, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link

The most important band ever although a few of their followers were even better. :)

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link

this was supposed to be a poll...

Zeno, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link

i like it better as a normal thread. because all of those things are true.

funny farm, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:49 (fifteen years ago) link

now you can choose poll/thread

Zeno, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link

No, they are one of the greatest bands ever, and neither underrated nor overrated.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

googlism, which is very smart about these things, says:

beatles is dood
beatles is here
beatles is in your mind
beatles is back
beatles is worth clinging to by andrew_hicks
beatles is in a 3
beatles is better then them
beatles is incidental
beatles is coming
beatles is not easy unless you "search" for it
beatles is a difficult task
beatles is still alive
beatles is an excellent site and well worth a visit
beatles is
beatles is connected to the following things
beatles is connected to because
beatles is beatles
beatles is a sequel of the highest order
beatles is perfect for the collector
beatles is dead man

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

gotta know how to have reach nirvana through music.. and beatles can do that.

jahanzeb mir, Monday, 22 December 2008 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link

gotta hear how vina beach vana thru music beatles norwegian burn my house down

Matt P, Monday, 22 December 2008 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link

gotta know how to have reach nirvana through music.. and beatles can do that.

Gotta be the 60s Nirvana then, as the 90s Nirvana had little in common with The Beatles musically. :)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 22 December 2008 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link

turn me on, dead man.

Pain don't hurt. (Pillbox), Monday, 22 December 2008 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link

not sure i know this band, anyone got any info?

Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 22 December 2008 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

The Beatles

arular (unregistered), Monday, 22 December 2008 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link

whoever they are, i think it's cute how they spell their name :D

Lingbert, Monday, 22 December 2008 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link

i only really liked the early 7 inches when sutcliffe and best were still in the band

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 22 December 2008 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

(xxpost) oh FFS whatta shit band, their name is just a take off of Buddy Holly & The Crickets...

snoball, Monday, 22 December 2008 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I was listening to Please Please Me in my car today, and goddamn, I never noticed just how fucking AWFUL that CD sounds. "Do You Want To Know A Secret?" is nearly unlistenable, despite being a great song. Are there any rumours that new editions are being worked on?

And also, does Please Please Me sound better on vinyl?

өөө (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 22 December 2008 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck yes! It sounds brilliant on vinyl. It practically leaps outta the speakers. Sounds like there's a band playing right in front of you.

everything, Monday, 22 December 2008 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

intercourse

Giorgio Moderator (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 22 December 2008 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link

This sounds great

Jazzbo, Monday, 22 December 2008 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Where's Steve Hoffman when you need him?

arular (unregistered), Monday, 22 December 2008 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I was listening to Please Please Me in my car today, and goddamn, I never noticed just how fucking AWFUL that CD sounds.

The 1986 mono mix is horrible. Recent stereo bootlegs sound great, although the fact that it was recorded on two tracks means it will never sound really great in stereo (and nothing does in mono).

Geir Hongro, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Where is the goddamn Naked thread?

GET BACK

Bimble's Got A Brand New Bag of Goth (Bimble), Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link

For some California grass

Bimble's Got A Brand New Bag of Goth (Bimble), Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Geir rules the day. I'm not even going to stand in his way.

Bimble's Got A Brand New Bag of Goth (Bimble), Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I like a lot of the new groups- The Beatles, The Beards and the whoever.

ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 January 2009 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Get back
to where you once belonged

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 23 March 2009 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Don't let me down

don't you know it's gonna last
it's a love that lasts forever
it's a love that has no past

wow, a love that has no past! Lennon lovers take note.

Bimble's gonna be quiet now, he promises, but Beatles are sacred, sacred ground.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 23 March 2009 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I for one welcome our new Liverpudlian overlords.

moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 March 2009 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

when the rain comes they run and hide their heads
they might as well be dead
when the raaaaiin cooomes.....
when the raaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnn cooooooooooommmmees....

I am Robertson Speedo (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 23 March 2009 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

"A Butt in the Life" by the Buttles

I read the news today oh butt
About a lucky man who made the butt
And though the butt was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph
He blew his butt out in a car
He didn't notice that the lights had butts
A crowd of butts stood and stared
They'd seen his butt before
No butt was really sure
If he was from the House of Butts.

I saw a butt toda oh boy
The English Army had just won the butt
A crowd of butts turned awa
but I just had to look
Having read the butt
I'd butt to turn you on

Woke butt, fell out of butt,
Dragged a butt across my butt
Found my way downstairs and drank a butt
And looking up I noticed I was butt
Found my butt and grabbed my butt
Made the butt in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a butt,
and somebody spoke and I went into a butt

I read the news today oh butt
Four thousand butts in Blackbutt, Lancashire
And though the butts were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many butts it takes to fill the Albert Hall

LL Coolna (absolutely clean glasses), Thursday, 2 June 2011 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Beatles1.gif

neat

iatee, Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:14 (ten years ago) link

Not sure how they're making those determinations, though. Ringo came up with a line or two for "Eleanor Rigby," and suggested "look at all the lonely people" as the chorus.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:24 (ten years ago) link

who is the "outside contributor" for "Julia", Yoko...?

The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:32 (ten years ago) link

Also, were George Martin's arrangements not "contributions"?

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:35 (ten years ago) link

Nice. If accurate, more collaboration that I thought--at some point, I think I internalized the idea that, with prominent exceptions like "A Day in the Life," Lennon/McCartney almost always meant Lennon or McCartney.

clemenza, Thursday, 5 January 2012 00:37 (ten years ago) link

Lol at "Flying" and "Dig It." Never realized before that John had written almost all of A Hard Day's Night

WATERMELON MAYNE aka the seed driver (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 January 2012 20:28 (ten years ago) link

yeah that was my main take from it. I guess that explain's the albums v. consistent style.

iatee, Thursday, 5 January 2012 20:31 (ten years ago) link

Show how much George would have been pretty frickin major had he been in any other band. (Ignoring all the usual alternate-universe shit about how in another band he might not have been inspired to write, and maybe had he been in another band he would caused a butterfly to flapped his wings and make Borneo disappear, or Bono disappear, or something.)

Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 6 January 2012 02:04 (ten years ago) link

Um, "shows," and "flap," sorry, but you get the idea.

Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 6 January 2012 02:05 (ten years ago) link

I doubt George would have been anything than a decent guitarist in any other band whose two leaders inspired his best playing and writing.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 January 2012 02:06 (ten years ago) link

um yeah, that's the usual alternate-universe shit

we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 02:19 (ten years ago) link

Go through the looking-glass.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 January 2012 02:26 (ten years ago) link

love george but he didn't really have enuff swag to be a guitar hero in a non-beatles band IMO

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 January 2012 02:34 (ten years ago) link

Sorry to be all markers/frogman henry reposting the same non-sequitur embed but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAX7E34zkg&feature=related

WATERMELON MAYNE aka the seed driver (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2012 02:41 (ten years ago) link

Without Ravi Shankar's influence, George would not have been as good a sitar player.

timellison, Friday, 6 January 2012 02:48 (ten years ago) link

I doubt George would have been anything than a decent guitarist in any other band whose two leaders inspired his best playing and writing.

man, you need to re-listen the early stuff to realize how massive of a player george was in terms of his contributions to the band sound. he was uniquely creative right from the beginning, in fact i would say his licks were pretty much unparalleled at the time (say, 62-64). the guy virtually invented a whole guitar vocabulary all by himself and i'm only taking into account the pre-psych beatles shit.

cock chirea, Friday, 6 January 2012 03:00 (ten years ago) link

Without Ravi Shankar's influence, George would not have been as good a sitar player.

He could never have played that Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins stuff as well as he did if they hadn't played it first.

My youtube meandering ultimately led me to some Beatle bloopers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nPtbbO0c98&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2R4_jL1-Ts&feature=endscreen&NR=1

WATERMELON MAYNE aka the seed driver (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2012 03:03 (ten years ago) link

I like ELO, but I'm not Billy Joel fan, yet in "My Life" it's about as blatantly Beatles-y as it gets.

xposts Yeah, for sure, lots of example of Lennon backing vox, but I'm thinking not of general Lennon vox but very specifically of the kind of sliding answer vocal Lynne resorts to all the time in ELO. Is its root ultimately mostly just in "Because?"

To post another example I alluded to earlier, Aimee Mann. Take a (lovely) song like "Save Me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72fDsC2kX7g

About as "Beatlesesque" as it gets, for lots of reasons: Mellotron, that bass, the chords, the guitar solo/electric lead part. But also those same sneering Lennon answer vocals in the chorus at around the two minute mark.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:34 (one year ago) link

Funny, I never thought about it, but I guess a lot of Billy Joel owes a lot to Macca.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:36 (one year ago) link

What about the backing vox in the last verse of "Hello Goodbye"?

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:48 (one year ago) link

Two blatantly Beatlesque songs come to mind: In My Own Time by the Bee Gees and What in the World by Dukes of Stratosphear.

Both definitely seem like they're aping Lennon's style with the vocal melodies, while also trying emulate Paul's bass playing.

JRN, Sunday, 31 January 2021 08:02 (one year ago) link

There is an AI generated “Beatles” album. It is not good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZu24pddzwk

29 facepalms, Sunday, 31 January 2021 09:44 (one year ago) link

Paging "Sowing the Seeds of Love" to thread

Copybara / pasteybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 January 2021 12:30 (one year ago) link

The Bee Gees were even better at this than ELO. If only Shakey was still around to disagree with me.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 January 2021 12:52 (one year ago) link

"Hello Goodbye" for sure has some of those backing vocal stylings, but it's kind of subtle compared to what Jeff Lynne does. Then again, most things are.

"In My Own Time" definitely sounds like the Beatles, as do a lot of Bee Gees songs, but it's more overt, in that I know exactly what it sounds like (Taxman, mostly).

"Sowing the Seeds of Love" is an interesting one, because it's such a hodgepodge. Some of the most overt Beatles-y stuff - like the lead trumpet - comes off as direct callback, but the rest of it is more generalized psychedelic '60s pop pastiche, kind of.

Traveling Wilburys is an interesting example, especially a song like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VarURT-pH8o

Which is of course literally a fusion of George Harrison and Jeff Lynne.

Speaking of Lynne and the Wilburys, Tom Petty's "Into the Great Wide Open" is an interesting example, because he's a guy who generally *doesn't* sound like the Beatles, but this song totally does, from the chord progression, to the Ringo-y drums, to a few of those backing vocals.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 14:31 (one year ago) link

Off the top of my head, "Marley Purt Drive" off 'Odessa' made me think of "Let it be" with every chance that it predates the Beatles song

Mark G, Sunday, 31 January 2021 14:44 (one year ago) link

I was just doing some googling, and I think it was a Steve Hoffman thread that made a few good points. One thing that makes Jeff Lynne's Beatles cops a little elusive is that, as the person said, he writes melodies like McCartney but *sings* them like Lennon, which provides a bit of cognitive dissonance. Then there's also the almost exclusive focus on the 6 month period of The Beatles' "mature psychedelia," which the thread pegged to between A Day In The Life and I Am The Walrus; that stuff is so dense with ideas it doesn't take much to recall it (sometimes just a Mellotron is enough). Another person kind of sagely suggested, re: Beatles references in ELO, that "there's as many as you want there to be." Someone else noted specific ELO songs that sounded like the Beatles, but pointed to "Telephone Line" as them sounding like the Bee Gees sounding like the Beatles.

Years ago I heard a Steve Earle interview where he was making the distinction between bands that sound like the Beatles (like I guess ELO, or XTC, or Badfinger), and bands that sound *like* the Beatles, like Crowded House. There is very little that Neil Finn does that sounds directly linked to the Beatles, but all the same the influence is unmistakable.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 14:46 (one year ago) link

Another Beatles thing that pops up a lot is piano marches. Sometimes that's all it takes to bring the band to mind.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 14:48 (one year ago) link

I've never thought of XTC as that much like the Beatles really

I mean I see the influence but Partridge has such a unique approach to melody and songwriting, certainly nothing like Jeff Lynne

plus they have a whole career and aesthetic before they got more psych

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:04 (one year ago) link

Extreme's "More Than Words" captures an early Beatles vibe through, I guess, slightly unexpected chord changes and close harmony singing and maybe something about the melody as well

Josefa, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:25 (one year ago) link

definitely

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:29 (one year ago) link

I have the perfect answer for this, a mix-tape I made for a friend 20 years ago called, yes, "Beatlesque." I've been searching for the songlist--I used to take copies of such things--but can't locate it. (The friend, meanwhile, barely remembers the tape--thanks!) I did mention it, though, when I wrote about my record collection a few years after making the tape (I'm writing about the Move here):

"Message From the Country" was among the songs I included on "Beatlesque," a mix-tape I once compiled for a teacher (and Beatles lover) who was leaving my school. The idea was pretty self-explanatory, with a fluid enough interpretation of Beatlesque to guide me that, along with obvious things like the Knickerbockers and Big Star and Traffic's "Hole in My Shoe," I had "Take the Skinheads Bowling" and Hüsker Dü's "Books About UFOs"--songs that don't sound like the Beatles at all, but which seem to me to capture something fundamental about what they might have been doing had they existed in a different time and different set of circumstances. "Message From the Country" is more of a straightforward soundalike, although I can't point to any one specific period it aligns itself with--White Album-Beatles would be the closest match, I guess.

I haven't completely given up yet on finding the songlist.

clemenza, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:35 (one year ago) link

Off the top of my head, "Marley Purt Drive" off 'Odessa' made me think of "Let it be" with every chance that it predates the Beatles song

No, it sounds like "The Weight", which it definitely doesn't predate.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:37 (one year ago) link

End of it sounds like The Kinks

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:42 (one year ago) link

clemenza, fingers crossed you find that songlist - it sounds great! also enjoyed JiC's summary of the SH thread, all of that clicks with me.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 31 January 2021 15:53 (one year ago) link

I had "Take the Skinheads Bowling" and Hüsker Dü's "Books About UFOs"--songs that don't sound like the Beatles at all, but which seem to me to capture something fundamental about what they might have been doing had they existed in a different time and different set of circumstances.

Interesting, I appreciate this take! Very "All My Loving" sound/spirit to both.

Googling around, it's kind of wild how many songs people consider "Beatles-esque." Like Big Star is *clearly* very influenced by the Beatles, but I don't think much if anything sounds particularly like the Beatles. Something like "Thank You Friends", maybe? But for example, I think "September Gurls" sounds only loosely like the Beatles to my ears, except for maybe the harmonies? Cheap Trick sort of falls under the same category as Big Star.

Extreme's "More Than Words" captures an early Beatles vibe through, I guess, slightly unexpected chord changes and close harmony singing and maybe something about the melody as well.

Surprisingly otm! Also oddly reminiscent at times (if once again loosely so) of Big Star's "The Ballad of El Goodo," another of the more Beatles-esque Big Star songs.

Man, now I want to listen to Big Star.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:51 (one year ago) link

I'm pretty sure I had Cheap Trick's "Downed" on there, a version of the heavier, late-period Beatles...although maybe "Downed" sounds more like "Message from the Country"--it's very circular and very confusing.

clemenza, Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:00 (one year ago) link

Robin Zander's voice is often compared to Lennon's, and Cheap Trick did "Taxman Mr. Thief", which is almost a direct quote!

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:17 (one year ago) link

better song than taxman tbh

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:18 (one year ago) link

I find "September Gurls" more Motown-influenced, oddly -- something about the way the guitars lock together reminds me Marv Taplin or Funk Brothers.

Posted this on Alex Chilton and Big Star threads in 2019, quoting myself on Twitter quoting Chilton:

radio interview on @BigStarBand's Live at Lafayette's Music Room: AC worries that forthcoming #1 Record is too much like Rundgren, reminding me not to overemph Beatles influences; also T.Rex v. favorably mentioned; both covered here, as on several other live recordings Way to sell the album, perverse AC, confiding your misgivings about it on the radio.

Of course the Beatles were so hugely present on the airwaves and in the stores in mid-60s 'til breakup, with what from anyone else would have been flooding the market, so how could some of their approach not leak into his headphones head, as young studio rat was trying to escape his fabricated Box Tops roots, at least via Rundgren---but also, as xgau mused back in the day, reviewing Radio City:
...the only pop coup I hear is a reminder of how spare, skew, and sprung the Beatles '65 were, which is a coup because they weren't. So: Big Star are alternate Beatles, whose Radio City is among Albums That Never Were, in this (?) alternate universe.

dow, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:28 (one year ago) link

There is an AI generated “Beatles” album. It is not good

Tracks 7 & 8 not horrible!

pplains, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:38 (one year ago) link

Also on the Alex Chilton thread, clemenza thinks of Rundgren when he hears the 1970 solo sessions, Grisso/McCain is also reminded of Flying Burrito Brothers,, which fits, since Parsons was so into Buck Owens, who frequently in Beatles era seemed to be in creative crosstalk with them, little bit, but persistently.

dow, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:47 (one year ago) link

Well, Parsons was quoted as saying he wanted to go for something between Owens and the Stones, but w Owens you get Beatles, at least to rockhead ears.

dow, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:49 (one year ago) link

Off the top of my head, "Marley Purt Drive" off 'Odessa' made me think of "Let it be" with every chance that it predates the Beatles song

No, it sounds like "The Weight", which it definitely doesn't predate.

― Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, January 31, 2021 3:37 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

It does sound like "The weight", but with the "Let it be" backing rhythm track

Mark G, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:55 (one year ago) link

here's the xpost post:
Chilton might have been aware of the Nazz at the time of those sessions, which were in 1969 & sorta concurrent to the last Box Tops recordings, both preceding the release of Rundgren's solo stuff.

That Chilton album is quite fascinating w/all the directions the material goes. I can hear strands of CCR, Gram Parsons/Flying Burrito Bros./Byrds, Sir Doug, Flamin' Groovies and more. What a different world it would have been had he been able to get that stuff released at the time. For one thing, Big Star probably wouldn't have happened exactly the way they did, or at all.

― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain)
The name and original conception of the Sir Douglas Quintet came from Huey P. Meux, or at least the way he told it, when he realized how well the nascent SDQ's sound fit w early Beatles, who in part drew from Southwestern US hits.

dow, Sunday, 31 January 2021 18:56 (one year ago) link

Wait what 70s solo sessions?

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 January 2021 21:38 (one year ago) link

Cool. Probably on that Big Star thread I also mentioned that John Fry was an early Beatles adapter, having heard the early Vee Jay releases.

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 31 January 2021 22:03 (one year ago) link

A more recent song I'd call Beatlesque--although it's not exactly recent anymore, not unless you're my age--would be Tame Impala's "It Is Not Meant to Be," which I hear as a trippy George-type thing on the order of "It's All Too Much" and "Only a Northern Song."

clemenza, Monday, 1 February 2021 00:42 (one year ago) link

All this talk about "Beatlesque" just made want to post the time New Kids on the Block tried to sound like the Beatles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTo3N73hpPg

That is all.

MarkoP, Monday, 1 February 2021 05:03 (one year ago) link

Something that signals Beatles to me is the descending chromatic bassline ("Dear Prudence," "Lucy in the Sky," "While my guitar..."), which apparently is called lament bass. John also plays it on "Look at Me" from Plastic Ono Band, which could be a White Album castoff.

dinnerboat, Monday, 1 February 2021 14:54 (one year ago) link

It’s very Julia-esque, innit?

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 1 February 2021 17:13 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Another act that does a pretty good job sounding Beatles-esque is Elvis Costello. Songs like "And In Every Home" (of course), and the later Macca co-writes, but also stuff like "This is Hell" from Brutal Youth.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 February 2021 21:34 (one year ago) link

one year passes...
one month passes...

I kind of turned my back on Beatles fandom and left it to everyone else in the world, but Sean Lennon's cover on FB for Paul McCartney's birthday really got to me.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:04 (two days ago) link

A few years ago, Sean was doing some kind of virtual chat with Paul, and IIRC a lot of it focused on personal questions that only Paul could answer. For example, he wanted to know what his paternal grandmother was like, because he had absolutely no idea.

birdistheword, Monday, 27 June 2022 16:03 (two days ago) link

Chris Charlesworth just posted this anecdote about the McCartneys. Nothing big or earthshaking, but it's charming just to see Paul and Linda McCartney trying to raise their kid right and also be good parents despite their enormous celebrity status. It's also highly commendable because it doesn't always work out - I knew almost nothing of Tom Hanks's family life until this past year, and it's pretty sad how things have played out for one of his kids despite his efforts at trying to do the same.

birdistheword, Monday, 27 June 2022 16:27 (two days ago) link

Been making my way through this, which was just posted yesterday:

https://500songs.com/podcast/episode-150-all-you-need-is-love-by-the-beatles/

Every episode of the series has been brilliant, and this one -- at nearly 4 hours -- is no exception. Among (many) other things, it provides the definitive account of the "bigger than Jesus" uproar in the US. The standard narrative -- "they were misquoted in some teen magazine" -- is patently false.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:32 (two days ago) link

Oh, that guy's Monkees book is very good, so that sounds intriguing.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:56 (two days ago) link

His podcast is fairly mindblowing. Rarely does he focus solely on the song in question, and sometimes the song isn't taken up until near the end of an episode. There's also many unexpected, but necessary and welcome, detours: the one on "Eight Miles High" started out talking mostly about Dexter Gordon, and part of the "Love Is Strange" episode dealt with Iannis Xenakis.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:10 (two days ago) link

It's a really great podcast

JRN, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:24 (two days ago) link

Among (many) other things, it provides the definitive account of the "bigger than Jesus" uproar in the US. The standard narrative -- "they were misquoted in some teen magazine" -- is patently false.

Haven't ever heard anything about a teen magazine before. The standard narrative is that the quote came from this John interview with Maureen Cleave for the Evening Standard.

If Andrew Hickey has a new twist on this that would be a real scoop. I do enjoy his podcast, but I started from the beginning and diligently try to follow the whole thing episode by episode. Up to about episode 30, which is a long way off getting to Beatles and stuff.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:51 (two days ago) link

I've never heard that standard narrative before either!

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:53 (two days ago) link

The Lennon interview didn’t ruffle any feathers in the UK, nor in the US when it was published by (among others) the Detroit Free Press and Newsweek (Hickey mistakenly refers to “Detroit Magazine,” but posted a correction on his site). The standard narrative is from — among other sources — the Beatles Anthology series. Brian Epstein is seen at a press conference saying Lennon was quoted, in Datebook magazine, “entirely out of context.” (Prior to that, The Compleat Beatles said he was “misquoted by an American teen magazine.”)

Except, Datebook published the Cleave interview in full, and in fact the magazine tried to piss off southern racists with a McCartney quote, but the bigots instead latched onto Lennon.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:17 (two days ago) link

god dammit why did i read the transcript of that podcast about spade cooley, i should know better than to do that sort of thing

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 03:35 (yesterday) link


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