I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

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What's the hold up? Does anybody have any information?

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

up to where?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I still listen to old LPs. Are the currently in print CD versions that horrible (and, if so, why not just buy them on vinyl)?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

it's paul's fault. bless him.

but yeah you're right it takes the fckng p-ss doesn't it?

latest word is that magical mystery tour is coming out on dvd with all sorts of extra stuff. as if the actual movie isn't like 1 big 'extra' already.


piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"it's paul's fault"

What isn't, really?

OK, why is it Paul's fault?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

well i mean it must be paul/ EMI's dithering and arsing around that's to blame, the other fabs are either
a) dead or b) couldnt *really* care less.

maybe it's a question of who's up to the job, george martin sure as heck isn't. god don't let them get ELO=guy in again.

meanwhile, this ere beatles 10-dvd anthology unofficial bootleg edition can be yours for $150 :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-BEATLES-Anthology-Directors-Cut-Real-10-DVDs_W0QQitemZ6430061859QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

must say i'm tempted

piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, there was that first-five-American-Beatles-albums-before-the-band-demanded-UK-US-consistency-in-the-tracklistings box set which was some sort of start...although the purist in me rather just have proper remasters/issues of the original British albums/track listings w/ the surrounding singles as bonus tracks.

That said, Macca, Ono, the Harrison family, and Da Ringosta can take their time settling this. I plan to finally digitize and sell off the CDs while I can get 'em for at least $4+ each back.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Looks like it's coming:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,70658-0.html?tw=rss.index

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Vague but sort of promising, I guess. The catalog does need CD remastering, badly, as the in-print CDs (except Let It Be Naked, and maybe that Yellow Submarine "songtrack" from a few years ago?) are all from that late-80s batch of early-generation CDs that gave CDs such a bad name. Mind you, I do think it's a wasted opportunity if they don't take the chance to delete Past Masters and Anthology, and just put all the singles and bonus stuff on second discs packed with the remasters...

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link

"I think it would be wrong to offer downloads of the old masters when I am making new masters," he said in a written statement submitted to the High Court in London earlier this month.

But it's not wrong to continue to sell them on cd?

Agree re Past Masters/Anthology but they're such cash cows that they're not going to do it.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link

god remember the whole "anthology" phenomenon? those were awful.

amateurist0, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the Past Masters CDs. Don't like the idea of Beatle albums being treated as mere collections of electronic data stuffed onto a compact disc. The problem, of course, is that CDs are too expensive. (Solution: buy old LPs.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I kind of like the anthologies sets, too, especially the first one.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, the anthologies are great. Second one for me, though.

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

A good thing about the "anthologies" is they are a good depository for the alternate mixes/takes etc., which--let's be realistic here--most people really don't want to hear (or have piggy-backed onto pricey new editions).

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

George isn't around to veto the inclusion of 'Carnival of Light' this time round.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link

there is no reason to put the singles and alternate takes on the albums. if they just follow the capitol box model and do mono and stereo mixes of the albums (with better packaging of course) that will suffice.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I vote for Badmotorscooter.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

How in the hell...Am I wasted?

Ah yes, the Beatles. I say buy the albums.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

The Past Masters comps on their own are fine - I think I'd rather listen to the first one than anything up to Revolver at least. If they are to re-issue the lot, The White Album is going to need a box set all to itself.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 13 April 2006 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm sure Paul will get it out all again eventually so he can ramp the price up to another ridiculous extreme. And turn himself up in the remastering process.

It would be nice if they released the red and blue anthologies so that they were in modern slimline 2CD cases rather than the FUCKING MASSIVE and HORRIBLE ones that they are in now.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

And in the case of the Red album, compiled on to a single, less overpriced, CD - the total running time of the 2CD set is just over 60mins. The asking price of £20-£30 is a piss take.

Michael Lambert (Michael Lambert), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:01 (sixteen years ago) link

which--let's be realistic here--most people really don't want to hear (or have piggy-backed onto pricey new editions)

Are the people not interested in paying for pricey new editions of things really the target market for remastered versions of CDs that are available in droves in used CD stores the world over?

Seriously, I don't see what's so much better (and less cash-cow-ish) about retaining Past Masters and Anthology. OK, so it's kind of cool to have all the singles in one place, but it also robs them of context AND presents a somewhat confusing picture for buyers, who can't figure out which album it is that has "I Want To Hold Your Hand" on it. The PM sets are also really oddly-balanced, anyway - not quite a greatest hits, not quite an odds-and-sods. The Anthologies are just plain obnoxious, especially the first one with all the talky-talky bits.

I guess I'm just coming from a perspective where, if they just remaster the CDs I'll take a pass because I have the LPs already. But if they sweeten the deal I just might think it over, at least for a couple, assuming they went ahead and added more outtake/live stuff. Granted, they would still be kind of weirdly-sequenced albums with one or two singles at the front followed by a bunch of obscurities.... okay, maybe keep Past Masters after all. But I REALLY think it makes more sense to get the unreleased and live material wedded on to the appropriate albums - if nothing else, it means getting MORE of it, right?

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

"turn himself up in the remastering process"

What is an example where he has ever done this?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Firstly, as any fule kno, Beatles CDs are not very common 2nd hand, except for the Anthologies and the BBC thing.

Secondly, Paul has little need to turn himself up anyway. He took a lot of care, recording his bass lines on a single track and spent ages getting the sound right. Why not? It's his friggin songs for fuxake!

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link

wow I had no idea the Anthologies were so hated. I only have the 2nd and 3rd ones and think they're fantastic - where else would I hear this stuff? Surely its the highest quality source for "What's the New Mary Jane" or "You Know My Name Look Up the Number" and a host of other rarities.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't understand it either. Maybe it's just too much Beatles for some people? I've only got a couple of tiny quibbles with them and it's usually just those times when it gets a bit self-indulgent, like those different version of the Fool On The Hill. Paul is obviously so proud of them but I just can't take it.

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

ppl just like to complain about the beatles, i guess.

anthology 2 is the best, what with the stoned cracking-up version of and your bird can sing and the gorgeous demos of strawberry fields. 3 is good for the white album stuff, and 1 is probably the only time any americans (me included) will ever hear any morecambe and wise.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

"as any fule kno, Beatles CDs are not very common 2nd hand, except for the Anthologies and the BBC thing."

Well, they are getting slightly more plentiful. In fact, I got most of my collection used. But, then again, I've been lucky. The worst thing about used Beatle cds is that stores priced higher than average (i.e. in the US 10-12 dollars vs. 7-9). Shopping around helps, and the prices have leveled off (and no doubt will continue)

I will concur regarding the Anthologies and the BBC, but--to cite my earlier post--alot of the people who bought them probably realized that they didn't listen to them as much as the regular LPs.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

The live stuff at the end of disc 1 and the beginning of disc 2 of Anthology 1 is really cool.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

it's paul's fault. bless him.

Neil Aspinall is probably the one to blame.

Anyway, seems like some good news is finally coming up.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Man, I'm not hating on any of the contents of the Anthologies (aside from, again, the talky stuff on Anth1) - I LOVE the music on those discs, the glimpses into the recording studio, etc. And when I was 16 me and my Beatle buddy developed a substantial secret language out of the miscellaneous bits of studio chatter. "Sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy..."

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Vague but sort of promising, I guess. The catalog does need CD remastering, badly, as the in-print CDs (except Let It Be Naked, and maybe that Yellow Submarine "songtrack" from a few years ago?) are all from that late-80s batch of early-generation CDs that gave CDs such a bad name.

While I agree that they need remastering, I don't neccessarily agree with your version of what they sounded like. The first four, sure, but the rest, particularly from "Sgt. Pepper" onwards, used state of the art remastering technology at the time, and sounded really impressive back then.

Only this is 20 years ago and a lot has happened since then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

the Pepper cd sounds horrible against the vinyl version. The White Album stacks up ok but I got the 30th anniversary reissue not the original cd.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link

abby road still sounds really good. I'm sure a remastering will make it sound better but I listened to it yesterday carefully with headphones and was pretty blown away by how good it sounded.

I think the Anthologies are a pretty good distillation of the best stuff that makes up the two major bootleg series (ultra rare trax and, uh, whatever the other one is called; they have most of the same stuff on them). I could do w/out the talking on the first cd.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

The Beatles are really smart to make people wait for every new issue. Keeps the interest up. When they are finally remastered it'll probably be on the cover of Time.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I assumed it was just a question of having to sort out all manner of legalities before anything happened in the Beatle world.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

What was interesting about the Anthology releases/phenomenon is that a lot of kids who were first getting into the band around that time all bought the Anthologies as if they were Greatest Hits Collections. I often see volumes of the Anthologies in people's collection as the only Beatles representation. "Just the b-sides, demos, and alternative takes for you eh?" They were hoodwinked!

ryan_w, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link

coincidentally (or perhaps not), michael jackson is also giving up his ownership of the publishing rights to sony this week, I think, to deal with some of his debt.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah i can imagine people getting suckered into the anthologies as some kind of definitive look at the beatles... that bluesy version of helter skelter is really wonderful. and the acoustic "across the universe".

xpost

dave k, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure The White Album will always sound best on vinyl.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Are there any Beatle albums that don't?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay, so in that case, why does there need to be such a rush to get them remastered?

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I for one hear absolutely no difference.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i mean it does take the piss doesn't it?

pisces, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link

lo-lo-lo-looooots of piss, sir! :(

t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I bought Help for £1 in a charity shop the other week. It was cheap because the cover was ripped (and taped up again) and the vinyl's a bit crackly, but it's not scratched at all. Even with the crackles it sounds great - a lot better than the CD versions, The Night Before especially gaining an awful lot of character and energy. I too am amazed there's no proper CD remaster, I guess because people are still buying the current shonky versions.

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

This footage
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=compleat+beatles
of 'The Compleat Beatles' (snappy 1984 cheaply-made proto-ANTHOLOGY movie, shot on film and narrated by Malcolm Mcdowell) is
making me anticipate this happening all the more.

pisces, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link

It will happen before or since, but apparently at still takes time.

I expected they'd at least do "Sgt. Pepper" in June this year to coincide with its 40th anniversary, but they did't.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:06 (fifteen years ago) link

But at least, with the current trend for remasters, the ultimate edition will be better. I hope they will do like The Bee Gees and Monkees remasters, and put out 2CDs with the stereo version + bonus tracks in stereo on one and the mono version + bonus tracks in mono on the other one.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link

so I am inclined to extrapolate that maybe she did help edit or inspire or contribute to Ray’s songwriting in general but yeah, how to be sure.

As Hickey points out, much of the evidence is circumstantial...but Ray's songwriting, in Hickey's words, "fell off a cliff" after Rasa left him. I can think of a total of 10 post-'71 Kinks songs -- and that's stretching it -- that could stand alongside his peak '60s output.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 31 October 2022 20:59 (three months ago) link

re. "I Feel Fine" I don't know if this is how the recording goes, but in at least one of the live performances in the "Anthology" video it's John playing the opening riff (on acoustic guitar, too).

three of the doctor's valuable bats are now dead (broom air), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 15:23 (three months ago) link

So I’m among the people who like this new mix a lot, with the exception of SSSS which sounds like sonic sabotage basically BUT I had been listening to it only on headphones until now and listening to it on a (good) sound system I must say that 1) SSSS is not problematic that way and 2) the remixes album sounds HUGE : I danced to it !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 18:56 (three months ago) link

I have only listened on phones as well — looking forward to getting back home where I can blast it through my stereo. What you say is very welcome news (and also lines up with what others have said)

an incomprehensible borefest full of elves (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 19:07 (three months ago) link

at some point last year, I read somewhere (can't remember, but it was reputable) that "She Said She Said" is the only recording where the Threetles are J, G and R: Paul wasn't there and George played bass…otherwise, Paul was said to be the only one who was present for every single session in which the four were recording as a band…but that sounds like him on the two "she said" session cuts on CD 3…

the story according to paul is that he walked out during recording after an argument and he thinks george ended up playing bass on the final version, but he did at least play on some earlier takes. whether or not it is george on the final version is a bit disputed too, as it apparently doesn't match up with the recording logs or something so there's all sorts of weird theories and arguments over whether it sounds like paul or george on the final version.

ufo, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 05:28 (three months ago) link

Have we got a general songwriting royalties/publishing thread?

piscesx, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 13:08 (three months ago) link

George also claims it was his idea to change the rhythm for the "When I was a boy" section.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 13:11 (three months ago) link

four weeks pass...

I can kind of, just about, get my head around them being able to isolate drums, guitar, bass and vocals - although obviously I have no idea how it's possibly done - but to go so far as to isolate finger clicks in amongst the harmony vocals is just absolutely astonishing. Pure witchcraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsYxTuX5wC4

nate woolls, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:29 (two months ago) link

witchcraft you can carry in your pocket:
the Moises app let's you isolate drum tracks from any song... can we use its power for good?

corrs unplugged, Saturday, 3 December 2022 09:01 (two months ago) link

Looking forward to the next evolution of this in a decade’s time: all the Beatles albums re-issued yet again to great fanfare, but this time you can create your own AI supported mix.

Die-hard purists will still stan for the mono mixes.

Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 3 December 2022 10:58 (two months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEvGRsvZOxA

MaresNest, Sunday, 4 December 2022 15:47 (two months ago) link

I like Parlogram Auctions - usually I can't stand any music YouTubers especially those who put themselves in the thumbnails, but fortunately he really knows his stuff and has a good presenting style

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 4 December 2022 21:35 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

"There's a Place", i think, is the most underrated song on Please Please Me. facebook sucks badly but at least it knows enough to show me beatles trivia about 40x a day, and today i saw lennon's open letter to todd rundgren, responding to the latter's harsh words about him in a recent issue. in it, he compliments Rundgren's "I Saw the Light" while suggesting that it borrows a bit, melodically, from "There's a Place". eh, maybe a bit, but no more so than the beatles bit any number of songs throughout their career.

anyway, some days i'll take "There's a Place" over anything else off the debut

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 04:27 (three weeks ago) link

open letter *in melody maker*, i meant to add

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 04:27 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah 'There's a Place' is one of my favourite early Beatles tunes, just loads of great little melodic bits in there.

Am assuming Lennon was referring to the "In your eyes" at the end of the chorus in 'I Saw the Light' sounding like the "And it's my mind" part of TAP? There is a similarity but yeah it doesn't strike me as particularly egregious.

Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 10:43 (three weeks ago) link

Harsh words?

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 10:45 (three weeks ago) link

“I Saw The Light” always reminded me of “You Won’t See Me” (“It was late last night” / “When I call you up”)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 11:38 (three weeks ago) link

xpost as usual, he only "berated" people he cared about - see also his letter to Linda Mac.

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 14:36 (three weeks ago) link

("only" is doing some heavy lifting there, I should clarify "by post/letter")

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 14:37 (three weeks ago) link

there's a place is like not a second time; exquisite, sad little minor key songs tucked away at the ends of these albums, underappreciated.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 15:54 (three weeks ago) link

That horrible middle-register piano solo in "Not A Second Time" sounds like the Muzak version of the song. It may be my least favorite moment in the entire Beatles oeuvre, mainly because it happens in an otherwise great song.

I always loved "There's A Place," though.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:09 (three weeks ago) link

Harsh words?

yeah. i'm getting all this from this quora.com post:

Rundgren, Melody Maker, sometime in 1974:

"John Lennon ain't no revolutionary. He's a fucking idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an ass. It just makes people feel uncomfortable."

"All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he'll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that?"

"He's an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation's John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all."

"Like the Beatles had no style other than being the Beatles. So the Nazz used to do, like heavy rock, and also these light, pretty ballads with complex ballads."

and then lennon's response:

AN OPENED LETTUCE TO SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE. (from dr. winston o'boogie)

Couldn't resist adding a few "islands of truth" of my own, in answer to Turd Runtgreen's howl of hate (pain.)

Dear Todd,

I like you, and some of your work, including "I Saw The Light", which is not unlike "There's A Place" (Beatles), melody wise.

1) I have never claimed to be a revolutionary. But I am allowed to sing about anything I want! Right?

2) I never hit a waitress in the Troubador, I did act like an ass, I was too drunk. So shoot me!

3) I guess we're all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don't know how to get it, without "revolution?" I could dye my hair green and pink for a start!

4) I don't represent anyone but my SELF. It sounds like I represented something to you, or you wouldn't be so violent towards me. (Your dad perhaps?)

5) Yes Dodd, violence comes in mysterious ways its wonders to perform, including verbal. But you'd know that kind of mind game, wouldn't you? Of course you would.

6) So the Nazz used to do "like heavy rock" then SUDDENLY a "light pretty ballad". How original!

7) Which gets me to the Beatles, "who had no other style than being the Beatles"!! That covers a lot of style man, including your own, TO DATE.....

Yes Godd, the one thing those Beatles did was to affect PEOPLES' MINDS. Maybe you need another fix?

Somebody played me your rock and roll pussy song, but I never noticed anything. I think that the real reason you're mad at me is cause I didn't know who you were at the Rainbow (L.A.) Remember that time you came in with Wolfman Jack? When I found out later, I was cursing cause I wanted to tell you how good you were. (I'd heard you on the radio.)

Anyway, However much you hurt me darling; I'll always love you,

J. L.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:25 (three weeks ago) link

So shoot me!

Oof.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:33 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, that's our John!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:35 (three weeks ago) link

it's something else. "AN OPENED LETTUCE TO SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE. (from dr. winston o'boogie)" is an extremely disarming way to start a letter

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:37 (three weeks ago) link

However much you hurt me darling; I'll always love you,
Oof.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:37 (three weeks ago) link

standard way to start a salad

Evan, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:38 (three weeks ago) link

“I Saw The Light” always reminded me of “You Won’t See Me” (“It was late last night” / “When I call you up”)

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 11:38 (four hours ago) link

Same here -- this seems to me like such an obvious similarity to call out that that bit of Lennon's letter read kind of like "I like you, and some of your work, including 'Ice Ice Baby', which is not unlike 'We Will Rock You' (Queen)"

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:43 (three weeks ago) link

some context to this, in 1976 Todd's Faithful album contained renditions of "Rain" and "Strawberry Fields" which are so note perfect that you could easily mistake them for the originals. so Todd clearly got what made the Beatles tick better than most people did and I guess he may have considered there to be a rivalry there. he made a whole album with Utopia mocking them a few years after that. but deep down you know he loved them.

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:46 (three weeks ago) link

this was also happening in late 1974, which i believe was near the end of the Lost Weekend period, which might explain a lot

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:48 (three weeks ago) link

I love There's A Place. The lyric stands apart from the Lennon/McCartney songbook of the time: too "There's a place where I can go … and it's my mind". I don't want to overstate things and say it's one step from Tomorrow Never Knows or something, but that inward focus has always stuck out for me.

Alba, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:56 (three weeks ago) link

DId he happen to say anything about Harry Nilsson?

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:58 (three weeks ago) link

A few months later, Brian Wilson would record In My Room, a sort of cousin.

X-post

Alba, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:59 (three weeks ago) link

There's a place where I can go … and it's my mind".

Yep. A lyric replete with casual wisdom.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:01 (three weeks ago) link

DId he happen to say anything about Harry Nilsson?

― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs),

"Pass me another brandy sour, Harry."

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:01 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, "There's a Place" is similar in content to "In My Room," I guess. I like the singing on it, kind of harsh-sounding harmonies, the kind John Cale was hearing after he did his daily drone and sat down to listen to Tony Conrad's Everly Brothers records.
(xpost!)

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:02 (three weeks ago) link

There's a scene in Bob Balaban's 1989 Parents in which a smiling and completely scary-looking Randy Quaid tells his young sleepless child that the only dark place he should be scared of is his mind, which is what this discussion just made me think of.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:05 (three weeks ago) link

A few months later, Brian Wilson would record In My Room, a sort of cousin.

X-post

― Alba

ha, i read your first post, calling out the lyric, and thought the same thing! did some quick wikipedia confirming about the timing of the recording sessions and was very excited to come back and here and say exactly what you said :)

however, one additional thing i did learn on wikipedia is that "there's a place" was the first song recorded for the session (the fucking LEGENDARY session in my book), at 10am, while lennon was recovering from a cold with throat lozenges

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:07 (three weeks ago) link

it strikes me as the most modern sounding track on the album. it might be that harmonica serving as the denouement for each section, it's just perfect.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:09 (three weeks ago) link

DId he happen to say anything about Harry Nilsson?

Lennon, Schmennon

everybody was tofu fighting (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:11 (three weeks ago) link

while lennon was recovering from a cold with throat lozenges

hey, Zubes

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:37 (three weeks ago) link

a smiling and completely scary-looking Randy Quaid tells his young sleepless child that the only dark place he should be scared of is his mind

something Randy Quaid has since terrifyingly demonstrated with the rest of his life

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:56 (three weeks ago) link

there are quite a few run throughs of 'there's a place' floating around, probably easiest to find on that bootleg-beating copyright dump release from several years ago

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:57 (three weeks ago) link

Ha, akm, I was trying to thing of how to say that but gave up so thanks for nailing it.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:47 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, had a few of them on those "Ultra Rare Tracks" CDs from back in the corblimey days

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 22:19 (three weeks ago) link

A few months later, Brian Wilson would record In My Room, a sort of cousin.

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― Alba, Wednesday, January 11, 2023 11:59 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

But "There's A Place" wasn't released in the US until July 22, 1963, on Introducing The Beatles. "In My Room" was recorded on July 16. It's technically possible that Wilson could have heard an import copy of Please Please Me, but 1) import records were pretty hard to obtain in the US in the early '60s, and b) how would Wilson have heard of them in the spring or summer of 1963? (the latter not meant rhetorically -- did he know people who'd hipped him to the Beatles? It likely wouldn't have been anyone at Capitol, since the guy in charge, Dave Dexter, hated the Beatles.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:43 (three weeks ago) link

Oh yeah I didn't mean to say it was influenced by it.

Alba, Thursday, 12 January 2023 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, i probably was the one who seemed to suggest that, because i was talking about the timing of the recording dates. at the time i was thinking more of "who did it first?", "it" being including a melancholy kind of introspective statement in a pop song. when you read beach boys biogs there's always a section about "in my room" and how groundbreaking it was for that reason. but i'm sure a million other artists did that before both the beatles and the beach boys. i'm not a sinatra-head but i imagine he sang about something similar many times

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 January 2023 18:03 (three weeks ago) link

but the beach boys were the first to do it while then whip-snapping back to an earnest singalong about how amazing surfing is

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 January 2023 18:04 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Prof Stoned guy that someone linked to upthread has now got to Help! and Rubber Soul on his remixing project. I'm on a bit of a Beatles break at the moment so haven't listened to them much, but if you can't wait for Giles Martin to give us a stereo Michelle that isn't hard panned, here you go:

http://www.profstoned.com/search/label/The%20Beatles

Alba, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:32 (four days ago) link


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