I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

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What's the hold up? Does anybody have any information?

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

up to where?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I still listen to old LPs. Are the currently in print CD versions that horrible (and, if so, why not just buy them on vinyl)?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link

it's paul's fault. bless him.

but yeah you're right it takes the fckng p-ss doesn't it?

latest word is that magical mystery tour is coming out on dvd with all sorts of extra stuff. as if the actual movie isn't like 1 big 'extra' already.


piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

"it's paul's fault"

What isn't, really?

OK, why is it Paul's fault?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

well i mean it must be paul/ EMI's dithering and arsing around that's to blame, the other fabs are either
a) dead or b) couldnt *really* care less.

maybe it's a question of who's up to the job, george martin sure as heck isn't. god don't let them get ELO=guy in again.

meanwhile, this ere beatles 10-dvd anthology unofficial bootleg edition can be yours for $150 :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-BEATLES-Anthology-Directors-Cut-Real-10-DVDs_W0QQitemZ6430061859QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

must say i'm tempted

piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, there was that first-five-American-Beatles-albums-before-the-band-demanded-UK-US-consistency-in-the-tracklistings box set which was some sort of start...although the purist in me rather just have proper remasters/issues of the original British albums/track listings w/ the surrounding singles as bonus tracks.

That said, Macca, Ono, the Harrison family, and Da Ringosta can take their time settling this. I plan to finally digitize and sell off the CDs while I can get 'em for at least $4+ each back.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Looks like it's coming:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,70658-0.html?tw=rss.index

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Vague but sort of promising, I guess. The catalog does need CD remastering, badly, as the in-print CDs (except Let It Be Naked, and maybe that Yellow Submarine "songtrack" from a few years ago?) are all from that late-80s batch of early-generation CDs that gave CDs such a bad name. Mind you, I do think it's a wasted opportunity if they don't take the chance to delete Past Masters and Anthology, and just put all the singles and bonus stuff on second discs packed with the remasters...

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link

"I think it would be wrong to offer downloads of the old masters when I am making new masters," he said in a written statement submitted to the High Court in London earlier this month.

But it's not wrong to continue to sell them on cd?

Agree re Past Masters/Anthology but they're such cash cows that they're not going to do it.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link

god remember the whole "anthology" phenomenon? those were awful.

amateurist0, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the Past Masters CDs. Don't like the idea of Beatle albums being treated as mere collections of electronic data stuffed onto a compact disc. The problem, of course, is that CDs are too expensive. (Solution: buy old LPs.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I kind of like the anthologies sets, too, especially the first one.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, the anthologies are great. Second one for me, though.

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link

A good thing about the "anthologies" is they are a good depository for the alternate mixes/takes etc., which--let's be realistic here--most people really don't want to hear (or have piggy-backed onto pricey new editions).

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

George isn't around to veto the inclusion of 'Carnival of Light' this time round.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link

there is no reason to put the singles and alternate takes on the albums. if they just follow the capitol box model and do mono and stereo mixes of the albums (with better packaging of course) that will suffice.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I vote for Badmotorscooter.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

How in the hell...Am I wasted?

Ah yes, the Beatles. I say buy the albums.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

The Past Masters comps on their own are fine - I think I'd rather listen to the first one than anything up to Revolver at least. If they are to re-issue the lot, The White Album is going to need a box set all to itself.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 13 April 2006 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm sure Paul will get it out all again eventually so he can ramp the price up to another ridiculous extreme. And turn himself up in the remastering process.

It would be nice if they released the red and blue anthologies so that they were in modern slimline 2CD cases rather than the FUCKING MASSIVE and HORRIBLE ones that they are in now.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

And in the case of the Red album, compiled on to a single, less overpriced, CD - the total running time of the 2CD set is just over 60mins. The asking price of £20-£30 is a piss take.

Michael Lambert (Michael Lambert), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link

which--let's be realistic here--most people really don't want to hear (or have piggy-backed onto pricey new editions)

Are the people not interested in paying for pricey new editions of things really the target market for remastered versions of CDs that are available in droves in used CD stores the world over?

Seriously, I don't see what's so much better (and less cash-cow-ish) about retaining Past Masters and Anthology. OK, so it's kind of cool to have all the singles in one place, but it also robs them of context AND presents a somewhat confusing picture for buyers, who can't figure out which album it is that has "I Want To Hold Your Hand" on it. The PM sets are also really oddly-balanced, anyway - not quite a greatest hits, not quite an odds-and-sods. The Anthologies are just plain obnoxious, especially the first one with all the talky-talky bits.

I guess I'm just coming from a perspective where, if they just remaster the CDs I'll take a pass because I have the LPs already. But if they sweeten the deal I just might think it over, at least for a couple, assuming they went ahead and added more outtake/live stuff. Granted, they would still be kind of weirdly-sequenced albums with one or two singles at the front followed by a bunch of obscurities.... okay, maybe keep Past Masters after all. But I REALLY think it makes more sense to get the unreleased and live material wedded on to the appropriate albums - if nothing else, it means getting MORE of it, right?

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

"turn himself up in the remastering process"

What is an example where he has ever done this?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Firstly, as any fule kno, Beatles CDs are not very common 2nd hand, except for the Anthologies and the BBC thing.

Secondly, Paul has little need to turn himself up anyway. He took a lot of care, recording his bass lines on a single track and spent ages getting the sound right. Why not? It's his friggin songs for fuxake!

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

wow I had no idea the Anthologies were so hated. I only have the 2nd and 3rd ones and think they're fantastic - where else would I hear this stuff? Surely its the highest quality source for "What's the New Mary Jane" or "You Know My Name Look Up the Number" and a host of other rarities.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't understand it either. Maybe it's just too much Beatles for some people? I've only got a couple of tiny quibbles with them and it's usually just those times when it gets a bit self-indulgent, like those different version of the Fool On The Hill. Paul is obviously so proud of them but I just can't take it.

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

ppl just like to complain about the beatles, i guess.

anthology 2 is the best, what with the stoned cracking-up version of and your bird can sing and the gorgeous demos of strawberry fields. 3 is good for the white album stuff, and 1 is probably the only time any americans (me included) will ever hear any morecambe and wise.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link

"as any fule kno, Beatles CDs are not very common 2nd hand, except for the Anthologies and the BBC thing."

Well, they are getting slightly more plentiful. In fact, I got most of my collection used. But, then again, I've been lucky. The worst thing about used Beatle cds is that stores priced higher than average (i.e. in the US 10-12 dollars vs. 7-9). Shopping around helps, and the prices have leveled off (and no doubt will continue)

I will concur regarding the Anthologies and the BBC, but--to cite my earlier post--alot of the people who bought them probably realized that they didn't listen to them as much as the regular LPs.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:40 (fifteen years ago) link

The live stuff at the end of disc 1 and the beginning of disc 2 of Anthology 1 is really cool.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

it's paul's fault. bless him.

Neil Aspinall is probably the one to blame.

Anyway, seems like some good news is finally coming up.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Man, I'm not hating on any of the contents of the Anthologies (aside from, again, the talky stuff on Anth1) - I LOVE the music on those discs, the glimpses into the recording studio, etc. And when I was 16 me and my Beatle buddy developed a substantial secret language out of the miscellaneous bits of studio chatter. "Sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy..."

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Vague but sort of promising, I guess. The catalog does need CD remastering, badly, as the in-print CDs (except Let It Be Naked, and maybe that Yellow Submarine "songtrack" from a few years ago?) are all from that late-80s batch of early-generation CDs that gave CDs such a bad name.

While I agree that they need remastering, I don't neccessarily agree with your version of what they sounded like. The first four, sure, but the rest, particularly from "Sgt. Pepper" onwards, used state of the art remastering technology at the time, and sounded really impressive back then.

Only this is 20 years ago and a lot has happened since then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link

the Pepper cd sounds horrible against the vinyl version. The White Album stacks up ok but I got the 30th anniversary reissue not the original cd.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

abby road still sounds really good. I'm sure a remastering will make it sound better but I listened to it yesterday carefully with headphones and was pretty blown away by how good it sounded.

I think the Anthologies are a pretty good distillation of the best stuff that makes up the two major bootleg series (ultra rare trax and, uh, whatever the other one is called; they have most of the same stuff on them). I could do w/out the talking on the first cd.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link

The Beatles are really smart to make people wait for every new issue. Keeps the interest up. When they are finally remastered it'll probably be on the cover of Time.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I assumed it was just a question of having to sort out all manner of legalities before anything happened in the Beatle world.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

What was interesting about the Anthology releases/phenomenon is that a lot of kids who were first getting into the band around that time all bought the Anthologies as if they were Greatest Hits Collections. I often see volumes of the Anthologies in people's collection as the only Beatles representation. "Just the b-sides, demos, and alternative takes for you eh?" They were hoodwinked!

ryan_w, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

coincidentally (or perhaps not), michael jackson is also giving up his ownership of the publishing rights to sony this week, I think, to deal with some of his debt.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah i can imagine people getting suckered into the anthologies as some kind of definitive look at the beatles... that bluesy version of helter skelter is really wonderful. and the acoustic "across the universe".

xpost

dave k, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure The White Album will always sound best on vinyl.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Are there any Beatle albums that don't?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay, so in that case, why does there need to be such a rush to get them remastered?

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I for one hear absolutely no difference.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i mean it does take the piss doesn't it?

pisces, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link

lo-lo-lo-looooots of piss, sir! :(

t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I bought Help for £1 in a charity shop the other week. It was cheap because the cover was ripped (and taped up again) and the vinyl's a bit crackly, but it's not scratched at all. Even with the crackles it sounds great - a lot better than the CD versions, The Night Before especially gaining an awful lot of character and energy. I too am amazed there's no proper CD remaster, I guess because people are still buying the current shonky versions.

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

This footage
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=compleat+beatles
of 'The Compleat Beatles' (snappy 1984 cheaply-made proto-ANTHOLOGY movie, shot on film and narrated by Malcolm Mcdowell) is
making me anticipate this happening all the more.

pisces, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link

It will happen before or since, but apparently at still takes time.

I expected they'd at least do "Sgt. Pepper" in June this year to coincide with its 40th anniversary, but they did't.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

But at least, with the current trend for remasters, the ultimate edition will be better. I hope they will do like The Bee Gees and Monkees remasters, and put out 2CDs with the stereo version + bonus tracks in stereo on one and the mono version + bonus tracks in mono on the other one.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Thanks, I assumed so since it was all I could find online, but wanted to make sure there wasn't a cheaper version I wasn't finding.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:53 (two months ago) link

I have it as a kindle file

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:02 (two months ago) link

This just popped up on the YouTubes a few hours ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUHdhxwyjjU

Darin, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:26 (two months ago) link

i assume that's on the POB reissue box that is coming out (or came out? lost track).

akm, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 22:43 (two months ago) link

Yes, I assume so. A few of these have dropped over the past few weeks (I think the POB reissue comes out 4/26?). The footage found for this video of "Look at Me" is p cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z3Qu-ZZgPw

Darin, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 22:59 (two months ago) link

That Give Peace.. video has a *5K* setting! Can anyone's PC actually cope with that? Mine struggles going above the 1080.

xxxxxp oh yeah Tune In is a revelation no argument there, i'm very glad it exists.

piscesx, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 23:47 (two months ago) link

Tune In is brilliant. That said, I feel no obligation to read it front to back. I think I just randomly started at some point in the middle, read to the end, then read the bit at the start I skipped over which worked perfectly well, knowing the general Beatles arc well. Felt just fine to go back and examine pre-war Liverpool, Ringo's grandfather's hats, etc after getting through their childhoods.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Monday, 19 April 2021 06:48 (one month ago) link

It def bears reading start to finish imo

The thing that is impressive is it immerses you in their individual upbringings so well that I caught myself wondering IF they would meet, not when lol

its exhaustively long but giving their bios room to breathe is such a gift in terms of learning new info when they’ve seemingly already been done to death

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:47 (one month ago) link

I don't know why I bother asking any more but did Lewisohn ever give a clue as to when volume 2 is coming out? 2054?

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Monday, 19 April 2021 23:15 (one month ago) link

2541, iirc

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 23:22 (one month ago) link

;_;

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 April 2021 23:59 (one month ago) link

XP Definitely not this year but possibly next year was the last i heard.

piscesx, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 00:46 (one month ago) link

When he’s 64

Alba, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:02 (one month ago) link

tbf, he’s focusing his time and energy on interviewing as many sources as possible — for this and future volumes — as a number of potential first-hand sources passed away just prior to, and during, the writing of Tune In (Neil Aspinall and Geoff Emerick, to name two).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:57 (one month ago) link

xpost - I get the joke, but considering he’ll turn 63 in a couple months, I’d be happy with that deadline

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 02:11 (one month ago) link

I know! I couldn’t resist after piscesx said next year.

Alba, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 02:15 (one month ago) link

I think the last interview I heard he said “definitely not 2021 or 2022, possibly 2023 but don’t hold your breath”

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 04:41 (one month ago) link

jfc

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 05:52 (one month ago) link

But it might have been “def not 2020 or 2021, maybe 22 etc”

Time keeps on slippin slippin slippin etc

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 18:07 (one month ago) link

Comprehensive answer;

https://www.marklewisohn.net/volume-2/

piscesx, Friday, 23 April 2021 02:33 (one month ago) link

;_;

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 April 2021 02:47 (one month ago) link

volume 2 is probably just 63-64

brimstead, Friday, 23 April 2021 02:53 (one month ago) link

He's going to skip straight to "Spies Like Us".

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 23 April 2021 02:59 (one month ago) link

Working my way through the reviews on Amazon:

https://i.imgur.com/T9viUSt.png

Alba, Friday, 23 April 2021 03:02 (one month ago) link

The Beatles did smoke a lot, it's for authenticity.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 23 April 2021 03:06 (one month ago) link

I love how the working title of abbey road was Everest for the cigarette brand

brimstead, Friday, 23 April 2021 03:53 (one month ago) link

Volume 2 will go up to ‘66 if memory serves. I was thinking Candlestick Park (August ‘66) would be an unbeatable ending for the ‘second act’.

piscesx, Friday, 23 April 2021 04:08 (one month ago) link

Yeah, Lewisohn originally said volume 2 would include '66, but given the unbelievable amount of detail in volume 1 -- a period for the Beatles with relatively minuscule documentation in terms of newspaper stories and such -- I can see volume 2 only going as far as '64 or maybe '65. He has so much more to work with, and sift through, post-'62 in terms of available materials. And that's in addition to the interviews he's conducting; there's a lot more people involved with the Beatles after '62.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 April 2021 15:57 (one month ago) link

Alma Warren for a kick-off

Mark G, Friday, 23 April 2021 16:04 (one month ago) link

He’s said it would be 3 volumes in total, so difficult to see how he could cram 65-70 in one volume based on how he approached their early career.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 23 April 2021 16:05 (one month ago) link

Or even 66-70.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 23 April 2021 16:06 (one month ago) link

That's where I am, if he stops at '64 or '65, that would be an absolute ton for volume 3.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:06 (one month ago) link

volume 2 does come w a wheelbarrow so

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:07 (one month ago) link

iirc volume 3 will come with a lectern to support the weight

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:12 (one month ago) link


He’s said it would be 3 volumes in total, so difficult to see how he could cram 65-70 in one volume based on how he approached their early career.

― Dan Worsley, Friday, April 23, 2021 9:05 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the twist is that he views the Beatles as having ceased to exist in 1966 due to Paul’s death, which takes up the majority of Vol 3.

JoeStork, Friday, 23 April 2021 16:37 (one month ago) link

LOL

He initially projected it at 3 volumes & he hasn’t changed his tune yet but there was an interview somewhere where he floated the possibility that it would end up being 4 volumes to the end of the band... and speculated about a post-breakup volume also

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 23 April 2021 17:34 (one month ago) link

Peter Doggett's You Never Give Me Your Money is a compact exploration of their lives after the split, that conveys a lot of the emotional ties and barriers between the members post-1970. You have to be willing to allow him to refer to Ringo as "Starkey" throughout, however.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 23 April 2021 17:52 (one month ago) link

When I worked in the newsroom of the British Library, Mark Lewisohn was in there all the time, ordering copies of the Bootle News & Journal from March 1963 or whatever.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Friday, 23 April 2021 17:59 (one month ago) link

You Never Give Me Your Money is great - but also kind of a bummer.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:26 (one month ago) link

Yes, exactly.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:53 (one month ago) link

There's a wee sub-genre of respectable books about the post-1970 years

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41NSZ8YTH5L._SX309_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

piscesx, Friday, 23 April 2021 21:29 (one month ago) link

Kind of ultimately depressing to read about and yet since we already knew something was up might as well get the unvarnished truth.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 April 2021 21:41 (one month ago) link

Who's that on the cover, Bud Cort?

pplains, Friday, 23 April 2021 21:59 (one month ago) link

:D

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 23 April 2021 22:09 (one month ago) link

Lol

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 April 2021 22:21 (one month ago) link

*imagegoogle*

lol

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 24 April 2021 23:33 (one month ago) link

It's because the copyright has lapsed. They still have to pay publishing charges though.

Something like that, anyway

Mark G, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 14:58 (one month ago) link

Track 1 - Original Version Ringo Starr on Drums,

Ringo Starr 1.0!

Alba, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 15:15 (one month ago) link

what a weird hodgepodge of stuff. most of that is, I'm quite certain, already available. I wish there's be a really comprehensive set of lapsed copyright releases that make sense and don't make a jumble of their contents.

akm, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 17:31 (one month ago) link


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