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okay - who was the best? really?!

(plus i say the beach boys, although the beatles were my first love!

doglatin, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

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electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

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jess, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What? GG Allin?

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry. i got a bit carried away. it also would have been better if it got in before jim's post.

jess, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

who was the best? really?!

There is the theory of the Moebius. A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop. Whatever happens will happen again.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The beach boys win by default because they have the only talented one still alive (boom boom)

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

and a Theremin.

petra jane, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yo, it's all about "Kokomo."

Andy, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the answer depends on how you feel about Geogaddi: Classic or Dud?

I say classic, not to take anything away from Pet Sounds, mind you.

Curt, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Beach Boys had the better tunes, lyrics, production, singles and albums. The Beatles made better movies.

Listen to 'God Only Knows' - as beautiful as anything ever recorded, and Brian Wilson starts a love song with "I may not always love you" - that's nerve.

Martin Skidmore, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Beach Boys also had falsettos. BIG negative.

Dave225, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait a minute...the Beach Boys had better lyrics? Pet Sounds is great and all, and Smile is good in its twisted word-impressionistic way, but aside from that...?

Justyn Dillingham, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Taking Sides - Being friendly with Charles Manson vs. inspiring Charles Manson

Damian, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

beatles in hamburg. beach boys where ever brian wilson was.

olly 360, Saturday, 9 March 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Also compare how many more #1 singles the Beatles had, and in The Beach Boys' home turf (Billboard Charts).
The Beach boys had a Theremin... but the Beatles had the first MOOG.
The Beach Boys made the sixties sound like a fifties echo. The Beatles turned the world psychedelically and paved MANY more paths.

James Thompson, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Shit you're right. Well that settles it. beach boys then.

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:03 (sixteen years ago) link

What?

Though the Beatles had an occasional sideman, the Beach Boys employed them regularly. In the end, though, I give them both a lot of credit for their originalities and many thanks for much listening pleasure.

A little more of a Beatles fan here.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't mean to walk all over your irony Bumfluff.

jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Harrumph.

Anyways I do hate it when people justify the Beatles on historical grounds, it's all true but it makes them boring.
It's all about the music, which is terribly exciting (till boring PepperAbbeyRoad)

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:11 (sixteen years ago) link

(i like his fifties echo thought though. interesting)

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

One appealing aspect of the Beatles is the amount of creativity coming from all members.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link

All?

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, you know, like how Ringo goes "O-U-T spells 'out'" in "Christmastime Is Here Again?" Or how great he was in A Hard Day's Night???

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 05:15 (sixteen years ago) link

where is beatles band?

purple patch (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 05:33 (sixteen years ago) link

The Beach Boys were boys. The Beatles were bugs. Boys like to squish bugs. So there.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 06:14 (sixteen years ago) link

The Beach Boys ate more food = they were better.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 07:32 (sixteen years ago) link

food! did you get a malt? whatdja get me? ooo a pickle! there's onions on this! there's a kosher pickle!

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Really this whole topic is for personal preference.. You can't even compare the two bands.. Beatles had 20 #1 songs in 6 years, Beach boys had how many? Beatles had 11 #1 in two years. I could go on for days, but i won't.. Talent wise it's a joke , during there solo years all members had at least 2 #1's even ringo. What did the Beach Boys do after 1967? Not much.. It's ok for everyone to have there personal favorite-that's cool but everybody knows that the beatles were the best and always will be.

forrest price, Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Beatles are obviously bigger. They released 5-6 albums that are in every single "Best albums of all time" poll, plus about 20-30 of their songs are included in more or less every songbook being made.

Beach Boys released "Pet Sounds" though, which is IMO better than any of the Beatles albums. But other than that, they only released 3-4 other really good album, while The Beatles were perfect more or less everytime around (even their underrated early works, where at least the original compositions were just as great as their later material)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 5 February 2006 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Beatles all the way. If only because of Mike Love.

The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Since when has the number of #1s been a really valid measure of an act's quality? Hall & Oates had more number ones than the Beach Boys, if you want to play those cards.

Of course for me it's still Beatles >>>> Beach Boys, but I love them both.

musically (musically), Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link

pet sounds is boring.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

In my humble opinion, Smiley Smile pwns Pet Sounds.

Vintage Latin (dog latin), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Since when has the number of #1s been a really valid measure of an act's quality?

I will look this up.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
What should you go by? Personal Preference.. You name it - the Beatles beat the Beach Boys in every way. Rubber Soul-Revolver-SGT. Peppers-White album-Abbey Road-Let it be???? That says it all.. Lennon/Mccartney----- Wilson/Love???????????

forrest price, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

This is a bit like choosing between Martin Luther King and Gandhi.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link

"This is a bit like choosing between Martin Luther King and Gandhi"

a bit, but not very much at all

whatever (boglogger), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

uh yeah terrible analogy.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Brian Wilson arranged, sung, produced, and wrote 99% of all the Beach Boys. So we have to give him some kudos for that. the Beatles were different, George Martin produced and arranged, and Lennon, McCartney and Harrison sung and wrote. Without Martin or the Beach Boys, the Beatles would be nothing. I think i might have to give the crown to the Beach Boys

Kilgore Trout, Saturday, 8 April 2006 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Whoever said - 4 years ago - that the Beach Boys don't have amazing lyrics needs to listen to Pet Sounds again. There's so much fucking anxiety on that record it's ridiculous! Also, whoever mentioned "God Only Knows" being started with "I may not always love you" was very much OTM.

regular roundups (Dave M), Saturday, 8 April 2006 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link

"As long as there are stars above you" is close enough to "always" for me. A year earlier Bob Dylan had written "I don't even mind who you'll be waking with tomorrow" -- far more of a jolt IMO.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 8 April 2006 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

That's the whole point. All the lyrics to "God Only Know" go back and forth between statements of uncertainty and "forever" type promises. It's brilliant, a perfect capture of the actual feeling of being with someone.

regular roundups (Dave M), Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

pet sounds is boring.
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 6 February 2006 09:24 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
In my humble opinion, Smiley Smile pwns Pet Sounds.
― Vintage Latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 01:57 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yuh i've been listening to the beach boys a lot lately and i'd much rather listen to any of their other mid-to-late 60s albums than to Pet Sounds.

fREETIME (wilter), Monday, 22 September 2008 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

..also i would much rather listen to the beach boys than the beatles. Beach Boys schmaltzy >>>Beatles schmaltzy imo.

fREETIME (wilter), Monday, 22 September 2008 06:30 (twelve years ago) link

Beach Boys!

Tape Store, Monday, 22 September 2008 06:35 (twelve years ago) link

This is a bit like choosing between Martin Luther King and Gandhi.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:16 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
"This is a bit like choosing between Martin Luther King and Gandhi"
a bit, but not very much at all

― whatever (boglogger), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:47 (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

fREETIME (wilter), Monday, 22 September 2008 06:38 (twelve years ago) link

Actually quite a bit. We're speaking of perhaps the two musical geniuses of the 20th century, named Wilson and McCartney.

The Beatles wins because they had two more excellent songwriters besides the genius.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 22 September 2008 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

twelve years pass...

The Beatles had a 5 year span of 64-69, not counting their 2 first years with no original material. The Beach Boys from 62-72 or Surfin Safari thru Holland had more consistently of killer classic albums than Anyone Ever! Not just Pet Sounds but Surfer Girl, All Summer Long, Today, Summer days, Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Sunflower, Surfs up, Holland & lastly Love you in 77. Disregard the bulk of their output post-77 but there were Still killer tunes in the 80s...BEACH BOYS #1 FOREVER. RAMONES #2

Jadams85, Monday, 29 March 2021 20:53 (two weeks ago) link

BEACH BOYS #1 FOREVER. RAMONES #2

maelin, Monday, 29 March 2021 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

i've always enjoyed the countless retellings of the time brian was driving down pch or sunset or mulholland and heard strawberry fields on the radio for the first time. had to pull over and cry and was screming "they did it! they did it" and he was with danny hutton or jack nance or donovan in the car or something.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 2 April 2021 16:59 (one week ago) link

Oh I hadn't heard that. That happened to me when I Heard "Yo!" yesterday.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:02 (one week ago) link

That happens to Greil Marcus every time he turns on the car radio.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 April 2021 17:08 (one week ago) link

I have a suspicion that no one has ever pulled over to the side of the road to listen to an amazing song. It seems like a counterintuitive thing to do. Music is better with speed! How could Brian Wilson ever have gotten from point A to point B in the '60s with all the times he had to pull over?

Josefa, Friday, 2 April 2021 17:27 (one week ago) link

i've always enjoyed the countless retellings of the time brian was driving down pch or sunset or mulholland and heard strawberry fields on the radio for the first time. had to pull over and cry and was screming "they did it! they did it" and he was with danny hutton or jack nance or donovan in the car or something.


Cut to Grizzled Rock Veteran in TV studio: “And that inspired him to write ‘Watch Johnny Carson’.”

In on the killfile (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:29 (one week ago) link

I have a suspicion that no one has ever pulled over to the side of the road to listen to an amazing song.

It's such a cliche.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:31 (one week ago) link

lol it even has its own section in the sff wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Fields_Forever#Reactions_from_contemporary_musicians

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 2 April 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

The Beatles had a 5 year span of 64-69, not counting their 2 first years with no original material.
This isn't correct at all. All of their UK LP's, even the two LP's they released in 1963, were mostly original songs. Covers never outnumbered or even equaled the originals on any of those LP's, and their UK singles were all originals.

The Beach Boys from 62-72 or Surfin Safari thru Holland had more consistently of killer classic albums than Anyone Ever! Not just Pet Sounds but Surfer Girl, All Summer Long, Today, Summer days, Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Sunflower, Surfs up, Holland & lastly Love you in 77.
I think a lot of those albums are underrated, but this oversells it. Those early albums were loaded with rote originals that blatantly milked "the formula" just to fill the albums. They didn't have a truly great album until All Summer Long, and by that point they were joined by many others who were making albums just as good if not better (the Stones, Otis Redding, the Who, the Byrds, etc., etc.) Personally I don't think Surf's Up, Holland or Love You are really good albums, but they definitely have their fans. Beyond that, it's really hard to make a case for the wretched music they put out post '70s - it's actually a relief that they focused on touring rather than putting out much new material.

birdistheword, Friday, 2 April 2021 21:40 (one week ago) link

I have this thread bookmarked and keep shaking my head about the quote at the beginning of the last post

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2021 22:27 (one week ago) link

Man, Surf's Up is easily in their top 3 or 4 albums. Perfect if it wasn't for THAT song

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 9 April 2021 00:01 (six days ago) link

Yeah, couldn't they find something newer, to replace the title track?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 00:16 (six days ago) link

It sounds wildly uneven to me. "Long Promised Road," "Disney Girls," "Feel Flows," "'Til I Die" and "Surf's Up" are all good-to-great tracks, and then there's execrable crap like "A Day in the Life of a Tree" and "Student Demonstration Time." The production on "Don't Go Near the Water" and "Take a Load Off Your Feat" (neither a great song) can be pretty irritating, especially "Don't Go Near the Water," and "Lookin' at Tomorrow" does nothing for me.

My five favorite Beach Boys LP's would probably be "All Summer Long," "Today," "Pet Sounds," "Wild Honey" and "Sunflower," and I'd take "Endless Summer" over all of them. (The DCC reissue, which includes "Good Vibrations" and the hit single versions of "Help Me Rhonda" and "Be True to Your School.")

birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 02:07 (six days ago) link

I actually like all of side 2. I find "Disney Girls" at least as bad as "Student Demonstration Time", the only Bruce Johnston-led song I really enjoy is "The Nearest Faraway Place" (his two on Sunflower are OK).
Holland is my favourite record of theirs when Wild Honey isn't.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 02:18 (six days ago) link

I like "Disney Girls" fine, it's middle-of-road corn, but it's also tuneful and modest. Except for "Sail on Sailor," I never liked Holland. It was kind of depressing to hear Rob Fraboni talk about that album - he gets to produce the Beach Boys, and he couldn't even get them all in the same room together to record their harmonies and apparently did it piecemeal. It's like they didn't give a shit, and Dennis pretty much didn't. IIRC, he was supposed to sing lead on "Sail on Sailor," and Fraboni had to grab him and put him in front of the mic - didn't work, he barely sang the song when he literally walked out in mid-take saying he had to go because he had like a new surfboard he wanted to try.

birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 02:35 (six days ago) link

You know, I never really got into "All Summer Long" for some reason. Some killer, iconic singles hammocked by some pretty run-of-the-mill car'n'girl songs the like we'd heard before.

Surf's Up is dusky and Septembral. I find Day In The Life of A Tree and Disney Girls both really touching and I'd consider them for a personal best-of.

Haven't had a Beach Boys day for a while. Think I'll change that, perhaps go through the discog for the first time in years, even

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 9 April 2021 07:15 (six days ago) link

Picking a top 5 is really hard. Ignoring Smile, this is the best I can come up with

1. Smiley Smile
2. Surf's Up
3. Sunflower
4. Surfer Girl
5. Friends

But I feel like I killed a lot of darlings there and was especially contrarian for not including Pet Sounds, which I do love of course

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 9 April 2021 07:23 (six days ago) link

(Beatles)

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Friday, 9 April 2021 14:23 (six days ago) link

I wonder if anyone would change their vote if the Beach Boys had also made their last album in 1970.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 14:33 (six days ago) link

Beatles here too, and in terms of '60s bands, the Velvet Underground and the Stones too for that matter. The Beach Boys would be right behind with the Who, the Kinks, the Byrds and CCR, but honestly ranking like this feels kind of pointless, they're all great bands - I'd rather focus on their best work than nitpick over the faults.

Speaking of which, I'd probably drop All Summer Long in favor of SMiLE had it been "finished." Brian Wilson circa 2004 isn't the same as him circa 1967, but what they put out in 2011 based on the 2004 template makes the case that what they had was very close to an album that could be considered finished, even if Brian had envisioned a whole lot more work. Some of the lyrics used to finish it in 2004 didn't feel all that necessary, IMHO - "Blue Hawaii" felt like the only song that needed substantial work, and even in its unfinished state, it sounds like the old recordings had the framework and more.

birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:07 (six days ago) link

And I should add, YES, it does live up to the hype. It was kind of tough to listen when I first heard the bootlegs, but when I heard them put together based on the 2004 album (this was before the definitive 2011 reissue), it was kind of miraculous - like it really needed to be sequenced correctly and pruned of the extraneous bits to make everything come through, and it really is brilliant. I don't know if he'll ever admit this, but I think that's what happened to Christgau. He consistently dumped on that work for decades and then he listens to the 2004 album and suddenly lo and behold it's an A+ work of genius. He says it's mainly due to the new vocals, but I don't find that convincing at all.

birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 15:12 (six days ago) link

"don't worry baby" is better than any beatles songs but i prefer the beatles overall

treeship., Friday, 9 April 2021 16:18 (six days ago) link

That is sort of my take, although at some point I kind of finally burned out on The Beatles. Although I can still listen in moderation, I guess.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 April 2021 16:19 (six days ago) link

"Don't Worry Baby" is probably my favorite Beach Boys track, even before Carl Wilson died. I remember flipping on the oldies station (104 around Chicago) that Sunday while I ate a late breakfast and read the Sunday comics, and then two songs later, they play this while mentioning "you probably heard by now" etc. I hadn't been a Beach Boys fan for that long, but the band felt really gone after that, with two original members dead and Brian far from his former self. "God Only Knows" is right up there too, and Carl sung that.

But "A Day in the Life" is probably my favorite track period, I'm still amazed by it.

birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 16:28 (six days ago) link

the best thing about The Beach Boys was their sweet Pendleton shirts

brimstead, Friday, 9 April 2021 18:46 (six days ago) link

Did the Beatles ever team up with the Fat Boys? No? Case closed, I guess.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 18:48 (six days ago) link

Did the Beatles ever let a tremendously coked up, vacation-wear Jimmy Page rend a hole in the fabric of space and time during a corny bar band version of "Lucille"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpL-eVpgJpY

I've never been a Beatles fan per se but they're still several orders of magnitude better than the Beach Boys, whose music I actively dislike save for 'God Only Knows' and 'Good Vibrations'. Everything else can perish in a fire.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 18:57 (six days ago) link

But have u heard about a little place called Kokomo

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:03 (six days ago) link

Pom do you know “til i die”?

brimstead, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:04 (six days ago) link

it talks about falling onto rocks and ones soul being killed

brimstead, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:05 (six days ago) link

'Kokomo' is hilarious, ergo I don't hate it.

I agree that 'Til I Die' is one of their finer moments.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:08 (six days ago) link

ITT: Tell The Beatles to Fuck Off

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:12 (six days ago) link

So grateful to my parents and older sister that I could grow up in a household uncontaminated by the works of Paul McCartney.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:13 (six days ago) link

Don't have an older sister but cosign.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:14 (six days ago) link

One of my favorite and most underrated Beach Boys songs, in a depresso 'Til I Die' vein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uw

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:14 (six days ago) link

xpost Yes, I will cosign as well. I heard a lot of 'oldies' growing up but weirdly didn't hear hardly any of the post-Help Beatles songs until I was an adult.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:16 (six days ago) link

love it, reminds me of chris bell xp

John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:18 (six days ago) link

Almost certainly my favorite Love vocal.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:21 (six days ago) link

I never thought "All I Wanna Do" was depressing, it's very nice but basically a 1964 ballad with some weird keyboards and phasing on the vocals.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:26 (six days ago) link

In my more provocative moments, I might be inclined to say that Blondie Chaplin's tenure is my favorite BB era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D10_uNfCW4Y

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:26 (six days ago) link

That is an excellent song, and so much better than the two Fataar/Chaplin songs on Carl and the Passions, I'm surprised they came up with it.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:30 (six days ago) link

I would go so far as to say that Holland contains the personal best songs of everyone in the group except Brian:

Dennis - Steamboat
Mike - Big Sur
Al - Beaks of Eagles
Carl - The Trader
Blondie/Ricky - Leaving This Town

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:32 (six days ago) link

"Beaks of Eagles" is terrible though.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:38 (six days ago) link

I love the recitations, and Charles Lloyd's flute.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 19:43 (six days ago) link

Poetry recitation and flutes, I'll pass.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:09 (six days ago) link

'Poetry Recitation and Flutes, I'll Pass' is my favorite Mike Love song.

You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:29 (six days ago) link

Poetry recitation and flutes, I'll pass.

LMAO

birdistheword, Friday, 9 April 2021 20:29 (six days ago) link

It's a prose recitation, really.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 April 2021 20:49 (six days ago) link

I love it. I love the whole "Jardine the eco-lumberjack stuff"

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:53 (six days ago) link

Big Sur is very sweet too.

Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:53 (six days ago) link


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