Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band's "Trout Mask Replica"

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Okay, there is no middle ground on this one. You either love this album or you hate it. I, for one will probably always consider it a favorite and one of the most different sounding things ever. I've never met anybody in person who can stand more than a few minutes of it though and am curious as to what you all think out there.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Lol! What a ridiculous band name!!

Are you making this stuff up?

Masked Gazza, Friday, 13 January 2006 08:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Is it as good as Clear Spot?

disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I really WANT to like Trout Mask Replica...
Taking Sides : Trout Mask Replica vs Clear Spot
gravitys rainbow: the trout mask replica of books?
Trout Mask Replica?
Trout Mask Replica C/D
TS: Trout Mask Replica vs. Philosophy of the World

At least ONE of those threads finds me pronouncing TMR one of my Top 5 of all time. (Clear Spot = Greatest "accessible" Beefheart LP)


Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:20 (sixteen years ago) link

ah they are both great, but for different reasons. xpost

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I left Trout Mask out of my Top 10 albums yesterday. D'oh.

Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Clear Spot is definitely the more accessable. But TMR takes the cake-not for everybody though!Ha, Ha I can only imagine Masked Gazza's reaction upon actually HEARING the band!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:42 (sixteen years ago) link

While you're at it, imagine the possibility that Masked Gazza was making a little joke.

lamewad, Friday, 13 January 2006 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

GEEEZZ!!!! So it just so turns out that not only am I NOT the first to put forth the topic of "Trout Mask Replica", but I am also not the first to take the name "lamewad"??IN ALL LOWERCASE LETTERS NONETHELESS!!!???

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link

oh snap

oh, Friday, 13 January 2006 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I've never met anybody in person who can stand more than a few minutes of it though

Where do you live? Have you been to the big city yet?

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh man!You just reminded me of ONE person I met who liked the album!!Whom I never saw again. Well speaking of BIG cities, I guess Los Angeles should be considered big, no? Ah, but the part where I live(East L.A.) you'll only find yourself hearing the same slow thudding repetative bass of rap/hip hop/whatever it's called now- NOTHING FAST AND BULBOUS! GOT ME? (but does this mean if I were to venture forth into a big city, then I would suddenly find myself surrounded by enthusiastic listeners of this stuff??)

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:37 (sixteen years ago) link

cruise up to Topanga canyon to hear the echoes of the Mascara Snake

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I was introduced to TMR by a friend's DAD! So maybe hang out with old hippies.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I was introduced to CB by watching old SNL re-runs (where he performed Hothead). I wanted to to find the album with that song on it but could only find TMR at my local store. The rest, as they say, is history

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link

First album I heard was "Doc at the Radar Station", which I got out of the local library because I'd heard "Hothead" (funnily enough) on John Peel and thought it sounded a bit like The Fall, then this guy's dad made me a tape of TMR and the rest, as you've just said, is history.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm sorry, but nothing beats "Tropical Hot Dog Night"...and I don't care if it's wrong or right.

LoneNut, Friday, 13 January 2006 11:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Eh. I think TMR is overrated, but I do like it. Of course, I like Strictly Personal too, so I'm already apostate.

js (honestengine), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Lots of people like "Strictly Personal", its "Unconditionally Guaranteed" (and "Bluejeans and Moonbeams") you're not supposed to like

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

y'know...i've been a Beefheart fan since I first heard him around 1968 or so. And having seen him play many times from 69 through about 73, I always liked the stuff that was more like him & the Magic Band in concert. TMR is one of those records that always gets named so that people can claim cred for liking it. But shortly after it came out in 1969, I found myself heavily influenced by sonic explorations like "Reese and the Smooth Ones" or "A Jackson in Your House" by the Art Ensemble. With that as a backdrop, I found Beefheart's explorations on the soprano sax tedious, tendentious, and bottom line, crap. And Zappa's production ministrations on TMR always bugged me, too.

Don't get me wrong, I've got TMR on cd and had it on vinyl way back, too. But when I reach for the Cap'n more likely I'll put on Safe as Milk, Lick My Decals Off, Mirror Man, Strictly Personal, and, yes, the Clear Spot/Spotlight Kid twofer before I put on TMR.

np: Michael Blake, Kingdom of Champa

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think TMR can be overrated, there is little if nothing to rate it against. It polarises opinions for sure, but it's hard to doubt it's uniqueness and complete disregard for almost all albums that had come before it. 'If you got ears, you gotta listen, but that don't necessarily mean you're going to hear' - I would go so far as to say that I felt sorry for people who did not love this record, even if they hate it.

Growfins, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Love it to death but yeah, I think it's the most overrated one in his oeuvre - some of the others seem obviously better to me so it's kind of curious that TMR became king of the mountain. That might have to do w/ the fact that it was break from the previous efforts and the one which announced the arrival of something pretty unique.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Lick My Decals is more consistent but Trout Mask is the bigger achievement. TMR is so weirdly stringent it can be an exhausting listen front to back, but if you pick out individual songs - "Ella Guru", "Moonlight On Vermont", "My Human Gets Me Blues", "Sugar n Spikes" - wow, that's great stuff.

As far as pop culture bizarro bombs go, nothing really matches it until PiL's Second Edition.

You might re-read James Joyce's Dubliners more frequently, but Ulysses is clearly his (more difficult, less frequently accessed) masterwork. I feel the same way about TMR in relation to the rest of Beefheart's output.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I have the occasioanl drunken argument with my friend David 'cos he insists that Decals is totally inaccessible whereas he can't understand why anyone would find TMR to be difficult to listen to - I think he's lying personally. FWIW I much prefer TMR to Decals anyway.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, Well, lest we not forget the circumstances in which it was recorded. I mean, how many albums are made like that?

Growfins, Friday, 13 January 2006 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link

You might re-read James Joyce's Dubliners more frequently, but Ulysses is clearly his (more difficult, less frequently accessed) masterwork. I feel the same way about TMR in relation to the rest of Beefheart's output.

Funny, I used Joyce in a similar but different way in explaining it for the Beefheart tribute in Perfect Sound Forever several years back.

Though I grew up with the album and it obviously made an impact on me, I currently rate it my third favorite after Lick My Decals and Doc at the Radar Station. It barely beats out Clear Spot and Shiny Beast. It's just too bad that TMR is the only token Beefheart album that gets attention in album polls.

For those interested, here's the real story on how Mr. Van Vliet got his nickname and came up with the "fast 'n' bulbous" joke.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Woah, when I thought about asking this question about TMR, I had no idea that it was so close to friday the 13th! What's the significance? Well the first time I heard ever heard TMR was on a friday the 13th! The album made such an impression on me that I decided to eliminate the whole "bad luck" paranoia that surrounds the day, and decided to make it TMR day! Of course I listened to the album so much that the only time I will listen to it now is on friday the 13th.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

TMR is the best. I was initially confused - it was my first realy taste of Beefheart, aside from the track "Gimme dat Harp Boy" which I found on a blues compilation that my dad owned. At first it sounded like a racket, but you have probably have to listen more closely to really appreciate the genius of it if you're not yet accustomed. Each time I hear it I hear something new - a new riff, a new piece of skewed American poetry, a new twisted reference to an all but forgotten blues song. It's a joy to listen to. Better than anything that hack Zappa did.

Rombald, Friday, 13 January 2006 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

"Safe As Milk" will always be my favourite Beefheart record. It's just sucha great blues album. I also really like "Clear Spot", but have never been a fan of his "Crazier" stuff. I really like what I like by him, and him as a musician, so it's a weird circumstance.

Also, I think "Party of Special Things to Do" (off "Bluejeans and Moonbeams", and previously covered by the White Stripes) is one of his best tracks. So fuckin bluesy.

Erock LAzron, Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link

i love "observatory crest" off "bluejeans".

zappi (joni), Sunday, 15 January 2006 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link

plenty o' other threads that talk about this. I think the general consensus is that "Decals" and "Doc" are the most fully realized Beef LPs, altho Xgau thinks "Shiny Beast" is the best. I never thought "Shiny" was really very good outside the two instrumentals, "Tropical Hot Dog" and "Owed T' Alex." anyway, I agree that Van V.'s sax shit is pretty horrible and probably shoulda been toned down. but at its best, "Trout Mask" opens the door pretty wide, I'll take its flaws over a lot of music that is far more coherent, fully realized and sane, any day. and I do think that the "Ayler Meets Chester A. Burnett" tag that lazy writers put on Beef is off-base; some sax squiggling does not free jazz make.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Decals is great but I don't see how it's more "realized" than Trout Mask.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Don turns 64 today, incidentally. Happy Birthday, Don!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link

It's got to be Shiny Beast for me. I can't listen to Trout Mask, but not because I think it's bad.
I prefer Spotlight Kid to Clear Spot.

Wax Cat (Wax Cat), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Does anyone have the 180 gram reissue of this? I can get a fairly good deal on it through today, but it's still rather pricey. I know a couple of my vinyl reissues suck as far as sound goes (as discussed on other threads), but I wanted to check on this one since it's basically my favorite album of all time.

Reatards Unite, Sunday, 20 April 2008 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't, but I *can* tell you that the original vinyl sounds *miles* better than the CD....

Stewart Osborne, Monday, 21 April 2008 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Blimey, does notifications still work on threads?

Mark G, Monday, 21 April 2008 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link

...and yet the "Clear Spot/Spotlight Kid" CD is still FAR worse!

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 21 April 2008 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot's remastering is way too low and a disgrace. Even at his mildest the Cap was pretty commanding. For some reason, a lot of those Reprise records from around that time are the same way, like Randy Newman's 12 Songs is mastered way too dimly.

whisperineddhurt, Monday, 21 April 2008 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

So any road up, I play a bit of "Trout Mask Replica" to Amber and Alice (Alice's middle name is Ella..) just to see what they think..

A few days later, Alice comes in with a set of fridge magnets, front and back halves of animals.

She picks the front of the elephant and the back of the kangaroo, puts them on the fridge, and says "EleGaroo!"

Damn.

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

The Captain would love that

E Poxy Thee Thule (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link

It seems so obvious now!

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link

The men don't know but the little girl understands...

E Poxy Thee Thule (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

It's a play on "allegory" though, isn't it?

E Poxy Thee Thule (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link

lol that's brilliant

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/MarkGrout/elegaroo.jpg

Mark G, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 09:58 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha "Alice in Blunderland!"

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link

So any road up, I play a bit of "Trout Mask Replica" to Amber and Alice (Alice's middle name is Ella..) just to see what they think..

A few days later, Alice comes in with a set of fridge magnets, front and back halves of animals.

She picks the front of the elephant and the back of the kangaroo, puts them on the fridge, and says "EleGaroo!"

Damn.

― Mark G, Tuesday, December 1, 2009 1:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

mind=blown

tectonic p (latebloomer), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

holy shit that is the greatest mark g post ever

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

and that jpg...i will never be able to listen to that song again without seeing it

a. cole, u thic (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah my top 3 are Clear Spot, Doc at the Radar Station, and Safe as Milk

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:44 (two years ago) link

Can't argue with those choices!

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:46 (two years ago) link

Andreyev asks him about the Trout Mask guitar sound here at 43:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgfVVbK4bA&t=3484s

timellison, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:53 (two years ago) link

ha I was just going to say - if a 30 minute compositional analysis of frownland by a man in a suit&tie sounds like fun to you then hoo boy does samuel andreyev have a treat for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhhB9teHqU&

ogmor, Monday, 30 March 2020 19:54 (two years ago) link

He's awesome and it's cool that Harkleroad and French were both appreciative. The MIDI transcriptions he does of the parts are so spot on.

timellison, Monday, 30 March 2020 20:04 (two years ago) link

I think the guitars were distorting somewhat on the Zappa sessions, Οὖτις. You can certainly hear it on "Dali's Car."

timellison, Monday, 30 March 2020 21:00 (two years ago) link

Guitars sound great on TMR, in fact the production is perfect because it's so straightforward and unadorned.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:07 (two years ago) link

Trying toi think my chronology with beefheart.
Maybe it was Decals first after hearing the birthday party compared to them. Got it in a not brilliant state on vinyl in mid to late 83. Probably a few of the earlier late 60s lps after that then got given TMR for my 18th Birthday. So I think I had Strictly personal before it.
Odd very untimely stuff but still somewhat rooted in teh late 60s I guess.

Haven't heard the version that the zappa estate released a couple of years ago , is it very different?

Stevolende, Monday, 30 March 2020 21:08 (two years ago) link

OH & it was a record taht had started turning up on lists of the weirdest lps ever recorded by some time in the mid 80s. Which might be a lure in itself.

Stevolende, Monday, 30 March 2020 21:09 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I can't listen to music from the 60's anymore, it's too old.

Deflatormouse, Friday, 17 April 2020 04:40 (two years ago) link

it’s not the music that grew old

budo jeru, Friday, 17 April 2020 04:42 (two years ago) link

I meant that very broadly, but it's true that the captain's Richard Brautigan shtick has not aged well.

Deflatormouse, Friday, 17 April 2020 04:55 (two years ago) link

Whatever floats your boat, but I only came to love the Captain in my 40s and his mutant blues still thrills me.

Now, if you mean you've simply heard it too many times, sure, I can understand that. Not everything can move us in perpetuity.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 17 April 2020 13:38 (two years ago) link

what's wrong with richard brautigan? i mean as a writer, not the crippling depression and alcoholism.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 April 2020 14:13 (two years ago) link

His reputation has fallen far, don't know how high it ever was, but I still have a soft spot for Dreaming of Babyon. Seem to remember something interesting about it being translated into Norwegian by the author off Naïve. Super about a decade ago. Also maybe the guy who wrote the book Angel Heart was based on wrote a biography.

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 April 2020 14:21 (two years ago) link

And what exactly does he have to do with Captain Beefheart?

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Friday, 17 April 2020 14:23 (two years ago) link

Richard Brautigan is still good, dunno about the 60s stuff, but So The Wind Won't Blow It All Away is devastating.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 17 April 2020 14:52 (two years ago) link

xpost
"B" last names and the word "trout"

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 17 April 2020 14:54 (two years ago) link

“you either love or hate this album” no you don’t. it’s ok

fuck it (Left), Friday, 17 April 2020 15:02 (two years ago) link

Yes, I hate that 'love or hate' thing. Or maybe I love it.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Friday, 17 April 2020 15:09 (two years ago) link

So The Wind Won't Blow It All Away is devastating.

so otm.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 17 April 2020 15:44 (two years ago) link

fuck it, i'm in a rambling mood today so i just made my latest response to this thread into a blog post

https://weirdthingsonbetamax.blogspot.com/2020/04/on-richard-brautigan.html

doesn't have shit to do with "trout mask replica" anyway. which is a good record i think. a little overlong, a little uneven, but some good songs on it.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 April 2020 16:26 (two years ago) link

xpost
"B" last names and the word "trout"

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, April 17, 2020 10:54 AM (one hour ago


lol otm

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 April 2020 16:27 (two years ago) link

rushomancy, that's great, I agree with you almost completely, the other novel I was going to list was The Abortion, only thing tou didn't mention which I love about it is like half the book is just their walk from the library to the car. If I share something it will usually be that or Hawkline Monster, which has dated a bit but is the most fun to read. IWS and TFIA are odd choices and I think put a lot of people off. From a biography I read I remember Brautigan was actively anti-Hippie, there's a short story or a chapter in one of his books about telling a girl not to go to Haight-Ashbury (of course she doesn't care)

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 17 April 2020 16:39 (two years ago) link

i could listen to the guitars on “veteran’s day poppy” on a loop for hours. what a way to close a record.

budo jeru, Friday, 17 April 2020 19:15 (two years ago) link

LOL at the turn this has taken, I very nearly wrote "be honest, how old do I look?" in place of the Brautigan remark.
I chose this thread I guess because TMR is purportedly atypical of "60's music", posting that to the Ultimate Spinach thread would have been a bit hollow, way less ridiculous.

last names and the word "trout"

Really tho?

Deflatormouse, Friday, 17 April 2020 20:22 (two years ago) link

xp could you be more clear about you’re trying to say tho ? i’m actually curious to know.

i could see somebody regarding both brautigan and beefheart as being early touchstones for aspiring young intellectuals, later set aside in place of more “mature” pursuits. is that the joke ?

budo jeru, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:09 (two years ago) link

The "joke" was responding to your post as though the implication in it was "it's not the music that grew old (it's the vocals)". I am now considering the horrifying/hilarious possibility that this is what you actually were implying, and this whole thing has been a trainwreck of misinterpretation 😂

Deflatormouse, Friday, 17 April 2020 21:31 (two years ago) link

The statement that I can't listen to 60's music anymore because it's too old wan't humorless, but wasn't entirely insincere either. There's an earthy masculinity about it that feels utterly remote at this point, particularly in earnest and absent of campiness and much of the 'exceptional' music of the period is unexceptional in this regard, etc.

The comparison to Brautigan was basically superficial, along the lines of "reactionary hippie". I've only read TFiA/the pill/IWS and I thought the similarities to Beefheart were apparent enough (zany, surrealist imagery, pastorial utopian idealism/dystopic disharmony) though Brautigan's masculinity is more aggressive.

Am I mistaken? It's been 15 years since I read it and also years since I've listened to TMR in full. When I want to listen to Beefheart I usully go for 'Decals' or 'Grow Fins' and I can't even remember the last time I played either of those.

Deflatormouse, Friday, 17 April 2020 22:58 (two years ago) link

1. brautigan as "reactionary hippie"? he was neither. brautigan's work, particularly his '60s work, is certainly suffused with what we can call the "male gaze", though his perpetuation of it, to my sensibilities, has more similarities to, say, mayo thompson's "corky's debt to his father" than it does to "trout mask replica", and like "corky's debt to his father" there's considerably more to it than paeans to women he would like to fuck.

2. brautigan's '60s work is also, as mentioned upthread, nowhere near to a complete repesentation of his work.

3. lack of camp? i don't even know where to begin with this. i mean, yeah, he's dead serious in "frownland" and "dachau blues", yeah, "hair pie" is a crude and tasteless song title, but "ella guru" sounds to me not terribly far from walk on the wild side, his celebrations of women not terribly far from lou reed's. "pachuco cadaver", "pena", these aren't miniskirted hippie girls with creamy thighs. christ, we're talking about the album where, on one of its iconic tracks, he out and out envisions god as gender non-conforming! if this is what "earthy masculinity" looks like i figure we ought to have more of it.

4. but of course it is also terribly old and remote, he's from that generation of music that's informed by the harry smith anthology, he's got the spirit of hoyt "floyd" ming and his pep-steppers just as much as the holy modal rounders do, and why on earth would that be a reason to not listen to it? not everything has to be contemporary or relevant, you know.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 April 2020 23:37 (two years ago) link

not familiar with Brautigan really (I think I read Venus On The Half Shell decades ago?) but really feeling #3 and #4 there, thanks Kate

this is like my least favorite Beefheart album aside from Bluejeans & Unconditional and uh maybe Decals cuz I do love "Orange Claw Hammer" to death, more than "I Love You You Big Dummy".

This album inspired a lot of proggy Euro nonsense that I have zero time for, as well as informing the least memorable aspects of the RIO movement. Fight me.

zoomer death circus (sleeve), Friday, 17 April 2020 23:51 (two years ago) link

When I want to listen to Beefheart I usully go for 'Decals' or 'Grow Fins''

Really avoiding the TMR soundworld altogether there I must say.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Friday, 17 April 2020 23:51 (two years ago) link

lol

plz also note that by "least favorite" I mean something more akin to "least amazing"

zoomer death circus (sleeve), Friday, 17 April 2020 23:54 (two years ago) link

not everything has to be contemporary or relevant, you know.

streaming has sort of flattened and destroyed time for me wrt music, I start to just flip around through history and nothing seems really fixed

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 18 April 2020 00:00 (two years ago) link

I think I read Venus On The Half Shell decades ago?

too much trout itt as it is, sleeve

budo jeru, Saturday, 18 April 2020 00:01 (two years ago) link

Lol

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 April 2020 00:24 (two years ago) link

I'm reading through the TMR lyrics booklet now with Kate's post in mind.

First thing I notice: "Well, I put down my bush. And I took off my pants and felt free. The breeze blowin' up me and up the canyon. Far as I could see. It's night now and the moon looks like a dandelion" would not sound at all out of place in TFIA or IWS.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 00:31 (two years ago) link

ella guru" sounds to me not terribly far from walk on the wild side

This might be a stretch, but I think it's quite perceptive.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 00:38 (two years ago) link

It's tempting to read the moon in "moonlight on vermont" as a symbol of the (divine) feminine. He says "gimme that old time religion" over and over again, Lifebuoy's pistol showin, etc. I think this is comparing female attractiveness to the Transylvania effect.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:05 (two years ago) link

Point definitely taken about Paucho cadaver

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:09 (two years ago) link

This album inspired a lot of proggy Euro nonsense that I have zero time for, as well as informing the least memorable aspects of the RIO movement. Fight me.

― zoomer death circus (sleeve)

you talking like etron fou leloublan? i always thought of them as being distinctly gallic. i don't know how much prog music there is that i'd classify as being genuinely inspired by trout mask replica. Michael Maksymenko if you want to count that, and honestly i think he's pretty alright, particularly the tunes about ice hockey.

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:21 (two years ago) link

The line about God dressing you because he never had a doll is wonderful.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 02:00 (two years ago) link

...it's also quite heavy. I'm not going to finish all of this tonight, it's heady and dense, and i'm not sure i find it campy (is he Lou Reed or PT Barnum on Pachuco Cadaver? I can't tell, this is walking some inimate/sensation tightrope) but it's been rewarding to read through it slowly and carefully.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 02:32 (two years ago) link

*sensational

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 18 April 2020 02:32 (two years ago) link

xps nah I can hang with Etron Fou, I was specifically thinking of Dunaj and related Czech stuff like Uz Jsme Doma and even carrying through to Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, the kind of hammering relentlessness that I find overwhelming, even the Art Bears sometimes.

zoomer death circus (sleeve), Saturday, 18 April 2020 03:20 (two years ago) link

Kate, great post above. (:

timellison, Saturday, 18 April 2020 05:36 (two years ago) link

an earthy masculinity about it that feels utterly remote at this point...and much of the 'exceptional' music of the period is unexceptional in this regard

What kind of exceptionality are we looking for? Obviously, something greater than "Under My Thumb," and I know there are plenty of other problems. But I will say that, growing up in the '70s/'80s, an awareness of rock music going back to the '60s was a significant thing for me in seeing suggestions of a more feminine way of being for those born male.

timellison, Saturday, 18 April 2020 05:50 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

All I'll say is they know how to do breakfast TV in Sweden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-kH_aNnNiA

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Friday, 18 November 2022 13:35 (two weeks ago) link

I wasn't aware of that iteration of the Magic Band. Who needs coffee when you have music like that?

o. nate, Friday, 18 November 2022 17:25 (two weeks ago) link


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