Space Music : Shultze, Kitaro, Jonn Serrie, etc.

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This sounds like it might be incredible:

Has anyone heard it or any of the names dropped above? It might suck, but it sounds like it would be great!

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, space music...I went through a real phase of it once as a teenager. There was a particular DJ on the local college radio station that just had this knack of making you think you were really drifting through interstellar space whenever he was on. He'd play Jean Michel Jarre and that's where I first heard Moebius & Plank, and he played Tangerine Dream of course...can't think who else just now. He probably played Klaus Schulze too - I do know that I heard several good things by Schulze on that station. Kitaro I don't believe he played but I did hear one song in '97 or so - I think it was called "Oasis"? I tend to think of Kitaro more as 'new age' than 'space music', but perhaps that is just my own misinformed perception.

I'm tempted to check out this Serrie thing. It always seems to me I need more quiet music in my life. I was a lot more open to that kind of thing when I was younger.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i was just in the store listening to a bunch of this stuff thinking i wanted to explore it a bit further.

is E2-E4 in this vein? i'd like to find that somewhere

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

can we make this thread into a search and destroy?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

It is completely new to me, but man it sounds like a good idea. I've always loved space-y music. It seems like it would be the ultimate spacey music. It's called friggin' space music afterall. those tiny sound samples on iTunes sound quite cool and kind of make me feel instantly stoned or something like it.

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link

in the early 80's Music From The Hearts of Space actually played a lot of very weird, very deep stuff

perhaps the show got a bit mild & topheavy as the genre exploded / fuzzied into New Age in the mid-eighties but I do my impression of Stephen Hill doing his backannouncements from the heart.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost - i didn't listen to those clips, but from what little i've heard, it's sorta like euro dudes playing with synths and making gurgly noises, lots of arpegios, sometimes minor beats. sorta like Switched On minus the kitch? or the later end of krautrock? but it veers very close to new age (that cover of the album you linked to screams new age).

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:41 (fourteen years ago) link

milton/jon, you're actually the reason for me wanting to check out this stuff more. when you said you're band (sagan) was like vangelis and tomita and jarre, i said to myself, hmmmm, could this stuff actually be cool.

what are some of yr faves?

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, I'm just happy to even hear people speaking about "space music" again. I don't think I've even heard anyone use that term since that radio show. And that was, what almost 20 years ago?

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 3 June 2005 06:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Hill founded his show in 1973... I hope archives turn up someday

jaxon: a lot of the pleasure in this stuff is that it is ludicrously over the top... jarre in particular, the fortress of cheese, but the plus side to a fearless lack of shame is that occasionally all their ambitions are realized... when they're good they're good, it's just that it's such a fine line.

Jarre, if you like Oxygene or Equinoxe, then proceed through 1984's Zoolook and then for god's sake Stop...

Vangelis does many different things... side 2 of L'apocalypse Des Animaux is grade A space / ambient. Blade Runner, thumbs up. Heaven and Hell... tastelessly extreme, full orchestra and choir, one track named "Intestinal Bat", Autechre sampled the main theme at the beginning of their Coachella set. Beauborg & Invisible Connections are the abstract records & they're good. I wish Erkin Koray sounded anywhere near as good as Vangelis' Earth. See You Later is a bizarre concept album, side 1 is about an electronic musician who has become bored with his equipment and recording, side 2 is about life after the apocalypse and then Jon Anderson shows up to sing "Where is my friend? Ha ha ha ha!" in his high voice. Not that it's good, it just is.

Tomita's Bermuda Triangle has weird moments, but have had trouble warming to his stuff overall. I definitely hate Kitaro.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 June 2005 07:53 (fourteen years ago) link

none of this stuff is really space music though (apart from side 2 of L'apocalypse Des Animaux... it's more straight up melodic electronic music. those John Serrie samples remind me of a lot of the stuff Hill would play on his show... I like it.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 3 June 2005 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Best space music for me = Kevin Braheny. Seek ye "the way home", "lullaby for the hearts of space. Also Michael Stearns' "planetary unfolding", "chronos", "m'ocean". "Planetary unfolding" is fucking awesome!!

A lot of this stuff is way, way under-appreciated. there's no "hook" to hang any kind of magazine article or promotional thing on, most of these guys are just quiet, often vaguely hippyish fellows, who make a living out of unobtrusively composing soundtrack music, and experiment w/weird combinations of acoustic & electronic sound, esoteric synthesiser controllers "space" music, unusual music venues and performances etc. The best of these guys desreve a lot more props than they get, and really, any more props that they're getting would be a "lot" more in percentage terms. There's a whole thing about the way yer electronica/idm laptop act presents himself - you know, a direct line leading through stockhausen, henry, subotnick yadda yadda to my baldy hunched over his powermac, fucking about w/max/msp. I think people like braheny, serrie, stearns, robert rich are a way better candidate to actually be that.

Kitaro fcuking sucks. Imagine the intro to pink floyd's "shine on you crazy diamond" played on general midi instruments. imagine album after album after album of this.

klaus schulze can be very good, but is wildly inconsistent, and jesus, does he go on. Try "X", "Timewind" "moondawn" and if they don't do it for you, go no further. If they do, go through his stuff chronologically, and when it starts to suck, STOP.

tim blake from gong made a pair of very good space/synth albums in the late '70's that might fit in here - "new jerusalem" and "crystal machine". There are - fairly sparse - vocals, which might be off-putting, he has this weird camp intonation and the lyrics are all waterfalls in space and leylines to glastonbury and stuff, eg "faraway in outer space/lighthouse guiding star/it's there to help the human race/&tell you where you are" (from memory), I really like it, b/c he sings it w/this kind of scarily intense conviction, but I can see how it might be really, really annoying to some people.

Vangelis' "Heaven and Hell" is fucking way over the top, but fucking great, and actually quite moving in places in its kitch way.

e2e4 is good, but not remotely spacy to me, it's more like motorway music, it's really good to have on in the car when yer on a long drive.

It's also a piece of piss to make yr own space music w/the right 5 tools:

1/ korg lambda, or better still PE-2000 string machine - for reasons too techy to get into, these are just about the only 2 m/cs to make it. if you set the attack and release parameters to full, the chords you play blur into each other as you play them. Instant space. On other string machine keyboards, chords cut each other off. instant suxi0n. Jean Michel Jarre and Tim Blake both used the PE2000.

run through

2/ moog music "moogerfooger" phaser pedal

run through

3/digital reverb set to "hall" algorithm w/lo-o-o-ong decay time.


4/cheap analogue monosynth or modular synthesiser (wiard, modcan, motm, blacet research etc all currently make these) set to a/vco sine wave modulated by rising or falling sawtooth wave &/or b/white noise through lowpass filter w/slow sine/triangle wave lfo modulation of cutoff.


5/lots and lots and lots of echo

set this lot up, spark up yer chalice, and you can keep yrself amused for hours and hours! Keep the tape rolling while yer at it as well! You might hit "the zone"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 3 June 2005 09:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Pashmina that was awesome

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Friday, 3 June 2005 10:42 (fourteen years ago) link


ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Lots of 3 minute mp3s!

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Please wait a half hour until I'm done downloading :-)

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

this weekend - klaus schulze interview on radio - available on the web

Join the GAGLIARCHIVES, Saturday night at 10pm Eastern
Time, for program 903, as we feature an exclusive
interview with Electronic music pioneer, Klaus
Schulze. Klaus Schulze remains a cult figure
in the United States, where the bulk of his prolific
output has until now been available only through the
import bins. He is widely considered an avant-garde
mainstay as well as a founding father of both the
new-age space music and electronica genres. Klaus will

discuss the new and forthcoming reissues of his back
catalog, his illustrious solo career, and his
captivating performances.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Side B of the first couple Ash Ra Tempel albums. Simple synthesizer drift and hum.

Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

this thread, courtesy of pashmina, has some good stuff on it too:

"New Age Music", search and destroy.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 June 2005 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I downloaded all the Serrie mp3s on that page (2 hours worth of music) and put all the stuff with a beat or recognizable instruments such as flute or guitar onto one mix and all the pure space aimlessness on another. It works out perfectly to 2 hour-long CD-R mixes.

The aimless space stuff I arranged perfectly with iTunes crossfade playback feature of 6 seconds and it sounds like a real, intentionally made album rather than a bunch of 3 minute song samples. It's great! For what it is, I mean.

Here's the order of the pure space ambient one, in case you'd like to do it yourself:

Gentle the night

I basically arranged it so that the song samples ran seemlessly into each other with the crossfade playback feature and it is not discernable that these are incomplete song samples.

I just hope the crossfade feature stays when I burn it to a CD-R and is not simply a feature for iTunes playback!

Oh yeah, and I got zero work done today!

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link

does that crossfade feature work in an iPod also? i fucking hate listening to cut mixes because of the gaps

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Hm, I don't know. But, if it doesn't, the mp3 samples fade out anyway. They don't stop abruptly. It just works better with the crossfade because one "fading-out sound" disappears into the next "starting up" sound and often you wouldn't even know the song has changed at all.

ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Kitaro fcuking sucks. Imagine the intro to pink floyd's "shine on you crazy diamond" played on general midi instruments. imagine album after album after album of this.

this sounds kinda awesome?

Dude's discography is way too tremendous to delve into, though. There are over 100 titles on Discogs alone

Wimmels, Thursday, 18 August 2016 20:22 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Does anyone have anything good to say about Kitaro?

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Monday, 13 May 2019 00:45 (two months ago) link

> Imagine the intro to pink floyd's "shine on you crazy diamond" played on general midi instruments.

^ Sums up about 1/2 of The Kitaro Quintessential, but then there's the string-y soundtrack-y, syrup-y stuff. If there's an album worth listening to, please post it. Gonna head to the new age thread in the meantime.

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:57 (two months ago) link

I simply must post this image again. Actually not a bad album incidentally.

mirostones, Monday, 13 May 2019 02:10 (two months ago) link

he was in far east family band

brimstead, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:08 (two months ago) link

you gotta be in the right mood for Kitaro

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