songs/bands that john peel did not turn you on to

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We've heard the claims that Peel was a gatekeeper: but which notable artists didn't he play?

debden, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Stone Roses - didn't 'get' them
Spacemen 3 - not happy with the drug references, apparently
U2 - went out of his way to slag them at every opportunity, even before their 'custodians of rock' ubiquity
Momus - by the man's own account, couldn't deal with the glamour and danger

any more?

debden, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Oasis. Suede.

Didn't play Blur, Belle & Sebastian or the Manic St Preachers until late into their careers.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link

(of course there were billions of other notable artists. I'm just talking indieish ones)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link

R.E.M.

Often brought up his 'not getting' Bruce Springsteen too, usually in connection with Andy Kershaw (a big fan).

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link

The funny thing is, it's like Peel music is a genre in itself to me, despite its extraordinary eclecticism.

I could guess whether he would like something or not if you played it to me, no matter what the genre. It's odd. I was too influenced by him for many years, I think. Or maybe I just meshed with him in some way.

It's only in recent years that I've started to properly love all the genres of music he *didn't* play, without distinguishing them in my mind from the things he did. Chart pop, disco, soul-jazz, modern R&B...

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Did he ever play The Magnetic Fields? I certainly don't remember him playing them back in the days when I was a regular listener. I somehow would guess that they wouldn't be for him, but maybe I'm wrong.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:33 (fifteen years ago) link

IIRC Mark Radcliffe played the Magnetic Fields (and the 6ths and the Future Bible Heroes) considerably more than Peel did.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Tom Waits.

Ludo (Ludo), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link

PWEI - 'Beaver Patrol'

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link

did The Franz Ferdinands get much of a look in on his show?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't remember Peel ever playing Franz and his Ferdinands.

But then he never played anything by Tory Busted either.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link

The Strokes.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:55 (fifteen years ago) link

they got in the Festive 50 tho?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:07 (fifteen years ago) link

So did the Sisters of Mercy, and Peel never played them either.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought he never played the Sisters of Mercy either, but was surprised to hear Lamacq play a Peel session track of theirs last night.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link

The Sisters did a peel session in 1982.. Lamacq played a track on last nights tribute show

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link

just googled... 2 sessions for Peel. 1 in 1982 and another in 1984.

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Bands Peel went off:

Simple Minds
The Sisters Of Mercy
The Cure

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Simple Minds - he played "Speed Your Love To Me" when it was a new release and commented: "That's the new one from the Hollies."

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't think he ever liked Throwing Muses.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:27 (fifteen years ago) link

After the first ever radio play of "White Man In Hammersmith Palais"...

"Well, it's tempting to say that there go The Clash, turning rebellion into money..."

Don't think he ever got back into them after that.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Curiously enough, I was gonna post this exact question tonight as I was kinda thinking: yes, he was a demi-god to many and did open people's ears up to much, but... did he ever champion anything remotely disco, funk, modern R&B, acid jazz, etc, as all these era/genres threw/throw up quality somewhere down the track?

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

No because that was Tony Blackburn's territory.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:41 (fifteen years ago) link

> funk

he did 'go-go' i seem to remember. i only know his shows from the early nineties onwards but occasionally he played one some go-go track from the 80ies.

(jg) ((jg)), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link

it seemed to me that Peel was only interested in championing 'punk' as he defined it - movements born out of a genuine furious drive reflected in the music and ethos - so jungle and techno and soca & dancehall were in but modern smooth RnB and Kylie (punk according to Pete Waterman) were apparently not

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link

this is not a criticism i hasten to add - and indeed it may be incorrect in any case

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I did often wonder how much of a disparity there was between 'music Peel liked' and 'music Peel played'. Was there much stuff that he liked, but just thought was well covered elsewhere on R1, do you think?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember him getting to like the PSBs' 'Rent' on a family holiday driving tape.

But at the same time, he had a bet with Steve Wright that he'd only play the Pet Shop Boys if Wright played Extreme Noise Terror. Wright called his bluff, and Peel somewhat cheatingly chose to play Electronic's 'Getting Away With It' in return.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

John Peel didn't turn me on to anything, at all. Probably because the genres I've always been into were exactly the ones he didn't bother with. And at my most 'indie', I veered towards angsty female types like Tori Amos, and as I remember he just ignored her for the most part. So I ignored him.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:57 (fifteen years ago) link

but you wouldn't really expect peel to play kylie any more than simon bates to play beefheart.

i just wondered about the anomalies within the broadly indie stuff he was always going to play: throwing muses, spacemen 3. It's weird he didn't like them.

it was interesting that peel would sound off about bands he didn't like so much. i remember a bizarre radio 1 thing he narrated around 1993 offering a chance to win tickets to a U2 concert. it was played all day on other people's shows and started 'never liked them much myself, but u2 are playing tonight..." etc and ended with "and now your friendly radio one DJ will play something by the fall.... one day!" i remember steve wright switching the end bit off in disgust!

debden, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:58 (fifteen years ago) link

it seemed to me that Peel was only interested in championing 'punk' as he defined it - movements born out of a genuine furious drive reflected in the music and ethos - so jungle and techno and soca & dancehall were in but modern smooth RnB and Kylie (punk according to Pete Waterman) were apparently not

-- Freelance Hiveminder (stevem7...), October 27th, 2004.

Seems a reasonable enough summary. Also, of course modern R&B and Kylie could/can be heard in abundance elsewhere on R1 so he wouldn't have felt any need to duplicate that. He liked the music that he cared for, so good luck to him and also to us as listeners, as his frames of reference, by contemporary radio standards, were so wide.

I don't think this the time or place to start criticising Peel posthumously for not liking the same music that you like.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think anyone's really criticising. It's just interesting, away from the RIP threads, to examine what he stood for.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:04 (fifteen years ago) link

x-posting a bit

I seem to recall, in 1985's Festive Fifty Peel said before the first Sisters Of Mercy track ('Some Kind Of Stranger' at #43) that it was a record he hadn't played before (I think for the first time). He then said before #36 "Keen listeners may recall I said earlier that there were two records in this year's Festive Fifty that I hadn't played before. The first was the Sisters Of Mercy at #43 with 'Some Kind Of Stranger'. The second, oddly enough, is this..." < 'Marian' plays > "Rum tum tum. Sisters Of Mercy there. Marian."

So the change of heart over the Sisters must have been between October 84 (the release of 'Walk Away', #8 in the 1984 Festive Fifty) and March 85 (the release of 'First And Last And Always').

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link

did Peel play much Sarah Records stuff?

debden, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh yes.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:08 (fifteen years ago) link

In terms of what he stood for and how he stood it, Peel could be considered the now missing link between Tim Westwood and Desmond Carrington.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link

The thing about him not playing modern R&B and pop cause it was dealt with elsewhere. Well yeah - but he carried on playing hiphop despite it being played elsewhere. And jazz and folk and country (maybe not on R1, but..)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

On the contrary, he noticeably went off mainstream hip hop some time ago because he didn't like the misogyny, although kept on playing the left-field Anticon/Company Flow stuff (which Westwood noticeably avoids). Jazz and folk not so much, but country or country-derived music certainly...Laura Cantrell, Neko Case, Nina Nastasia, etc.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, that's true about hiphop.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

As I say, I'm just trying to get at what it was that he didn't like and what it was that he thought wasn't his job to play.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link

he noticeably went off mainstream hip hop some time ago because he didn't like the misogyny

I'm restraining myself from making some really inappropriate, Burchill-esque comment here.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:17 (fifteen years ago) link

"I'm just trying to get at what it was that he didn't like and what it was that he thought wasn't his job to play"

I think he though it was his job to at least try to give everything which wasn't getting played anywhere else at least a chance of getting played.

Unless he didn't like it.

Well, given how predictable and pedestrian the music played by most of his colleagues and competitors was / is, the amount of stuff that left for him to play was collossally huge that he had to have some sort of system for deciding what did get played and what didn't - and what better system than whether he liked it or not?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link

In my view, "what it was that he didn't like" = "what it was that he thought it wasn't his job to play."

Or as Robbie Vincent once put it: "Sitting in a glorified cubicle playing records you hate. What's the worst job you've ever had?"

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Didn't play Blur, Belle & Sebastian or the Manic St Preachers until late into their careers.

He certainly did play Belle & Sebastion reasonably early on - the first time I heard them was when he played "The Stars Of Track & Field" on its release.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link

This is indeed true.

I don't think Peel really got into Blur until they stopped being Johnny Vaughan and started being Pavement.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I stand corrected. I only ever heard them on the Mark Radcliffe show, where they did their first two sessions. I wonder why Peel didn't book them.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Sorry, not 'ever' - I know 'The State I Am In' made the 1996 Festive 50 and they recorded Peel Sessions later on.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:40 (fifteen years ago) link

If he didn't touch any modern R&B, did he ever play more leftfield R&B production acts such as N*E*R*D for instance, who have easily bridged the divide by being "indie-cool" and "in" with the hip-hop crowd?

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Westwood played/plays all the Neptunes stuff, N*E*R*D first and second albums included. As did/do other DJs on Radio 1 and elsewhere.

Again, I find it baffling that Peel seems to be getting criticised on this thread for not playing music that other DJs were playing.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link

No criticisms, just that I'm from the other side of the globe and only got to hear Peelie's shows through very limited means.

I just would have thought Peel would've championed NERD first as they sound very much of the stuff he might have found something in? :-)

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link

No one, apart from maybe Lex, is bashing him, I don't think. We're just curious.

My Bobby 'O' question, anyone?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

(xpost)

NERD probably a bit too smooth for Peel's tastes, I would have thought (bear in mind he played things like Alec Empire and I-Sound, so "smooth" is an extremely relative term here).

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link

can't see Peel playing N.E.R.D. - more likely the really heavy Neptunes stuff ala Westwood

xpost

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm fairly sure he played kaleidoscope era kelis...

a, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Re: miles up there - it was him, wasn't it, that famously played Spacemen 3's 'Revolution' and mixed in two or three other tracks during its, er, duration. Whether that was meant as a tart observation I have no idea. I always thought it quite funny though

DJ Mencap0))), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

All you Kylie nay-sayers:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/04/entertainment_john_peel/html/5.stm

and see my question on the RIP thread about Wham!

slim_cop, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh - my post got stopped because of x-posts before. No wonder no one answered it:

OK, a specific, illustrative question: who, if anyone, was playing Bobby Orlando records on R1 in the 80s?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

No one was playing Bobby O records on Radio 1 in the '80s.

They were, however, played quite extensively on Radio Clyde and Radio Forth in the early-mid '80s. The Fire Island club in Tollcross and all that.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link

ha, i did have this feeling i was wrong to give Kylie as an example. everybody likes her after all...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link

How about Ze Records stuff?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Curiously, I remember Mike Read playing a lot of James Chance and Cristina when he had the early evening slot on R1.

Even more curiously, the R1 DJ who was the first to play both Kid Creole and Was (Not Was) was - DLT.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Interesting.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

(I think Peel's daughter Flossie got him involved with Kylie, originally)

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

"Even more curiously, the R1 DJ who was the first to play both Kid Creole and Was (Not Was) was - DLT"

Really? I'm almost inclined to send my Showaddywaddy picture disc signed by DLT back in disgust.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:57 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost:
did he ever champion anything remotely disco, funk, modern R&B, acid jazz, etc

He used to play a lot of Parliament/Funkadelic, as well as Johnny "Guitar" Watson; then there was Stanley Winston's "No Ghettos In America" of course.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think 'funk' (certainly earlyish funk) is the odd one out there.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I get the sense that for Peel, pop music pretty much stopped in the 60s, and soul in the early 70s, though.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

Curiously enough, I was gonna post this exact question tonight as I was kinda thinking: yes, he was a demi-god to many and did open people's ears up to much, but... did he ever champion anything remotely disco, funk, modern R&B, acid jazz, etc, as all these era/genres threw/throw up quality somewhere down the track?

-- herbalizer12 (sherbert1...) (webmail), October 27th, 2004 2:38 PM.

No because that was Tony Blackburn's territory.

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...) (webmail), October 27th, 2004 2:41 PM.

He was certainly a champion of old school funk (Kool & the Gang etc) and would playe more left field dance/disco stuff in the early 80's (Konk, Peech Boys etc) but modern r &b, acid jazz etc he left to Blackburn, Dreem Teem and Giles Peterson. He was also massively into go-go, indeed playing some of the newer stuff a couple of years ago.

massive xpost

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Do you think he disliked it, or just left it to them, Billy?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I suspect like a lot of things it wasn't a case of disliking them, it just didn't excite him the same way as other stuff.

He said much the same about Oasis and the Manics and expressed bafflement that people must assume that if he didn't play them he must dislike them.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

"it seemed to me that Peel was only interested in championing 'punk' as he defined it - movements born out of a genuine furious drive reflected in the music and ethos"

"I get the sense that for Peel, pop music pretty much stopped in the 60s, and soul in the early 70s, though"

Well, he certainly did know his stuff.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link

ha, i did have this feeling i was wrong to give Kylie as an example. everybody likes her after all...

many people hate Kylie and all she stands for.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Someone up there mentioned "Beaver Patrol" by PWEI. It's possible he thought it was shit but he did play it - they did it on a session.

He never "got" the Cardiacs, though.

everything, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

He disliked 'Beaver Patrol' because of what he saw as its sexist lyrics. I'm pretty sure he didn't play the record. Maybe when it was a session track he still thought it was about wildlife.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I just dug out the tape of that PWEI session. After "Beaver Patrol" he says "Pop Will Eat Itself at their most fatuous I think. They only do it 'cos they know it teases. Misquote there I suspect".

everything, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Schubert.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

did he ever play any grime?

Michael B, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link

john peel - 'grime' night - live comment and analysis

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

since the thread has veolved quite a bit from the original q I'll put this here:

The show (from what I remember) was eclectic and then after a while you got used to it so it became predictable - a bit of thrash metal, jangly indie pop, dance-based stuff, electronica and looking back I think the reason it became predictable is that I didn't believe he liked everything he played - I read/heard about that and wondered whether that was true or not bcz it was odd.

This is pretty much the reason why I spent at most a few months with it and then never heard it again, and don't regret for having stopped listening to it.

The one thing he introduced me to was Beefheart - and it wasn't by playing it on the radio - only recall hearing him play it once, actually - but with his TV doc on him, which I watched again today. Once I got to that I had to go and find where it came from and found all these other things to like that he never played.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm fairly sure he played kaleidoscope era kelis...

Not just played, but Kelis, in November 2000, recorded a Peel session. Between Ten Benson and Dick Dale.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link

i think the reformed Incredible String Band's Peel session (their first for him, or indeed anyone, for about 26 years, although of course they'd been among his favourites in the Top Gear era) was in that same month. blimey.

GB05? (robin carmody), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link

BBC hits back at claim that Peel died of overwork

By Adam Sherwin, Media Reporter

THE BBC has rejected claims from one of its DJs that John Peel was “worn out” and felt marginalised by the corporation before his death from a heart attack.

Andy Kershaw, a close friend of Peel who presents a world music show on Radio 3, said that changes to Peel’s schedule at Radio 1 had affected his health. “The last time I saw him he looked absolutely worn out,” Kershaw said. “We went to a café near Radio 1 and I said, ‘John, you look terrible.’

“He said: ‘They’ve moved me to 11pm to one at night and the combination of that and Home Truths (his Radio 4 show) is killing me.’ He felt he had been marginalised.”

Peel, acclaimed for discovering fresh musical talent over four decades, died aged 65 on Monday after suffering a heart attack during a working holiday in Peru.

Peel broadcast on Radio 1 three times a week in the 10pm-midnight slot until July, when he was moved to the 11pm-1am slot.

The change was made to give a wider audience to new specialist music shows. Critics suggested that Peel’s more “awkward” music was being shunted to the early hours in a push to secure younger listeners. However Peel had agreed to the changes after a meeting with Andy Parfitt, the controller of Radio 1.

The Times understands that Mr Parfitt was so concerned at the allegations made by Kershaw that Peel’s studio producers were asked yesterday if he had made any complaints to them. They said that he had not. BBC executives were furious with Kershaw, a former Radio 1 DJ who considered Peel his mentor. One said: “It is extremely distressing that Andy should say this. John was fully supportive of the changes — he even said that the late finish meant clearer roads when he drove back to East Anglia.”

Peel rejected the option to pre-record his Radio 1 shows, broadcasting two programmes a week live from London and the Thursday programme from a studio at his home.

Radio 1 limited its official response to a statement that read: “Everyone at the BBC is shocked and upset by John’s sudden death. At a time when his family are still in deep mourning — out of respect for them — this is not the time to make remarks or to comment.”

But Radio 1 could not guarantee that the eclectic Peel musical mix, which ranged from African pop to drum and bass, would survive. Presenters Steve Lamacq and Mary Anne Hobbs will fill in until a decision is taken on replacement.

A Radio 1 spokesman said: “John is irreplaceable. Radio 1’s commitment to new music will be reflected in late-night programmes which are a fitting tribute to him.”

Thousands of listeners have left tributes on the website, and the BBC will consult on plans for a memorial with his family.

The Glastonbury Festival, Britain’s biggest open-air music event, will honour Peel by naming its new bands’ tent after him.

Peel’s widow, Sheila, will be consulted over publication of an unfinished autobiography which Transworld Books had paid £1.2 million to acquire.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:20 (fifteen years ago) link

We've heard the claims that Peel was a gatekeeper: but which notable artists didn't he play?

Throbbing Gristle

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Are you sure? I could have sworn I went out and bought "United" after hearing Peely play it.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Before my time to be honest but I always got the impression he didn't approve of them

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:28 (fifteen years ago) link

The first DJ I remember playing "United" was Brian Ford on Radio Clyde's Street Sounds programme. Wednesdays, 8-10 pm.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Brian Ford was Glasgow's answer to John Peel - and what did he end up doing, reading traffic reports or sumthin'?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Regarding Kelis - yes, he did play her and received a letter from someone along the clichéd lines of "why are you playing this pop/r'n'b shit?" to which he seemed to get rather audibly annoyed and sternly pointed out it was his show and he would play whatever he wanted to if he liked it. And then proceeded to play a Kelis track.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:40 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost: Peel might not have been overly fond of TG, but Stewart's right - he did play "United".

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm guessing that if bands didn't get seesions for Peel it generally meant that he (or John Walters) didn't like them.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:00 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost: I also remember him playing three tracks in a row from Yes Going For The One, as "an awful warning" (direct quote).

The same thing applied when he played several tracks in a row from the Rolling Stones Love You Live, directly segued into Slaughter & The Dog's "You're A Bore", followed by an almost-but-not-quite apology for the "cheap link".

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember him announcing that he was going to spend more than half of a forthcoming show playing (IIRC) the first Penetration album and then the first Sham 69 album - both of which had just been, or were just about to be, released - right the way through, in their entireties, with absolutely no talking inbetween tracks or any other interruptions; adding something along the lines of "I'm only telling you this now so that you can all be absolutely sure not to have blank tapes ready to record them".

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Re : Spacemen 3

He did play them initially at least, my first exposure the band was hearing the 12" (rockier) version of 'Walking with Jesus' on his show. One of countless reasons I have to be very grateful to the man.

stevo (stevo), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link

After the first ever radio play of "White Man In Hammersmith Palais"...

"Well, it's tempting to say that there go The Clash, turning rebellion into money..."

*dies laughing*

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

mike t-diva: "we also play the Yeses and Pink Floyds of this world, although with a disgraceful lack of enthusiasm on my part, as part of a general review function" - Peel (probably slightly paraphrased) in the Radio Times for Radio 1's 10th anniversary, October 1977

GB05? (robin carmody), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link

U2 - went out of his way to slag them at every opportunity, even before their 'custodians of rock' ubiquity
...

-- debden (debdenherringbon...), October 27th, 2004.

Good on him!

As for me, I guess the answer to the thread is "none of them". Never heard a Peel session in my life.

Sasha on a different PC, Friday, 29 October 2004 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link

You're missing out.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 00:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"As for me, I guess the answer to the thread is "none of them". Never heard a Peel session in my life."

All that actually means is that he never turned you onto anything directly.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link

> I didn't believe he liked everything he played

at times there were way too many of those '1 live in {somewhere}' type shows full of bands that were better suited to lamacq but which happened during peel's timeslot so he was pretty much unable to avoid participating, and which i, personally, hated. would much rather have listened to him play records. more recently there were a lot of other djs doing hour long guest slots, people from 1xtra etc.

the one thing that made me angry over the last couple of days was tony fucking blair sticking his oar in.

oh, and he had Kelis in session sometime in the last few years so he's not completely anti that stuff.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 29 October 2004 10:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I think Peel played Throbbing Gristle's 'Hot on the Heels of Love' one night, and I think that's why I went out and bought '20 Jazz Funk Greats' the next day.

As far as I recall, he never played anything on the el label at all, although to the extent that Vic Godard and ex-members of the Monochrome Set were on el, he played it. But certainly no sessions for the likes of King of Luxembourg, Always, Anthony Adverse, Gol Gappas, Hunky Dory, Louis Philippe, Marden Hill, Momus... A decision was made, and the label was, in some way, stillborn in the UK, just hanging there suspended, like a foetus in a jar. Not that my move to Creation (partly the result of this suspension) changed matters much.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 29 October 2004 10:32 (fifteen years ago) link


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