Slits vs Raincoats

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Please tell me this hasn't been done.

So....whuch and why? Please.

Venga, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

WHICH and why, I mean. Obviously. Nu-answers.

Venga, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Some people like the Raincoats for the songs but the quavering singing always puts me off. The Slits - well Cut is just wonderfull from beginning to end.

philT, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The Raincoats, who totally challenged themselves and their _own_ preconceptions of what kind of sounds they could make every step of the way. And never made a bad record, though the reunion album has some shaky spots. _Return of the Giant Slits_ is actively not-so-hotso.

It _is_ a pretty tough fight if we limit it to the Raincoats' "Lola" vs. the Slits' "I Heard It Through the Grapevine," though--two of the greatest "no, actually, this song belongs to _us_ now" gestures ever.

Douglas, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

...but 'Return' was a bit more broader, even industrial sounding. Give it that much at least. I wouldn't want to pit/compare the two groups tho' - I think they both covered alot of welcome ground at the same time.

jason, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Both magical, but "Cut" is better than any Raincoats album, and "Typical Girls" better than any Raincoats track. I wish someone would re-release "Return Of...".

Dr. C, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

What Dr. C said. I tend to listen to Cut all the way through when I play it. With the Raincoats' records, I do a lot of skipping around. Haven't heard the Slits' Return, though.

Andy, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'd go with the Slits given their more frantic, shambolic energy than the comparitively conventional Raincoats (not slighting them, mind you). Being nude and slathered in mud on yer album cover never hurts either. Haha.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I prefer 'Odyshape' to 'Cut', but the '96 Raincoats reunion LP was a bit of a stinker. A score-draw, extra time being played.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...
Raincoats Rule, Slits Drewl!!!

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 19:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Raincoats don't really do it for me. I have to go with the Slits, because the sound is somehow heavier, more energy etc.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Slits all the way. It took me a few listens to get into the Raincoats, but I like them, too. SO TOUGH!

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Some people like the Raincoats for the songs but the quavering singing always puts me off

SOOOOTM. Listening to them distresses me greatly -- which in a way is neat that it makes me react that way (as no other music has ever given me near panic attacks like theirs), but it's just too harrowing to listen to for very personal reasons. So Slits by a country mile.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i can't make the decision. i think the slits probably made the better album with 'cut', but 'dancing in my head' is my fav song from either, so its a tie.

chris andrews (fraew), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Impossible. So completely different, not really a reasonable competition. Love them both.

I.M. (I.M.), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

raincoats

peter smith (plsmith), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Slits.

latebloomer: the Clonus Horror (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 July 2005 23:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Cut is unfuckwithable. Slits win by a nose.

Will(14/\/\), Monday, 11 July 2005 00:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

vs. Kleenex/LiLipUt...

'Fairytale in the Supermarket' is great, and so is Odyshape. After Cut though, the Slits didn't do much for me. Tough call. Slits covers are probably better, what with 'Man Who Lives Next Door'.

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 11 July 2005 01:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kleenex/Lilliput doesn't come close.

Ludus is closer, but still not there. Neonbabies may come closest of all.

I.M. (I.M.), Monday, 11 July 2005 02:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Slits.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 08:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've changed my mind since 2001. Raincoats - for Odyshape as much as anything else, although I have been reappreciating Moving recently. Two great bands though, and maybe too close to call.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 11 July 2005 10:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Are they just being compared because both groups were comprised of female?

Similar reasoning leads you to compare Siouxsie and Debbie Harry?

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, there are legitimate links between the Slits and Raincoats - they shared drummers, for one (Palmolive, and I think Richard Dudanski played in both), and Gina Birch is on record as being influenced by the Slits.

That said, I pick the Raincoats over the Slits - but if you narrow it to the Slits Peel Sessions v. the first Raincoats album, it's a tie.

mike a, Monday, 11 July 2005 11:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Are they just being compared because both groups were comprised of female?"

Palmolive was in The Slits before joining / forming The Raincoats (hence both bands recorded "Adventures Close To Home"), came from the same scene and frequently gigged together.

(x-post)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

vs Kangaroo era Red Krayola

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(x-post)

OK - it's just that I find them completely different.

Sexist posting monitoring police called off - but Alex in NYC gets a mild warning for:

Being nude and slathered in mud on yer album cover never hurts either. Haha.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Raincoats were great, but that slits peel sessions rekkid is ROCKING, so slits win.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

THERE IS NO DEDICATED THREAD FOR CUT

so I am putting this OMG new release here:

The Slits, "Cut" deluxe 2CD edition

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002J8LVNQ/ref=pd_re_dt_x1

still no goddamn interview track from that 7" though.

sleeve, Thursday, 17 February 2011 20:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

polls don't count :D

sleeve, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll side with the Raincoats.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 17 February 2011 21:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Eh, the bonus disc wasn't all that. "Cut" is insanely great, though, and stomps over all of the Raincoats output, as good as it is.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I wonder if anyone will ever reissue "Retrospective" aka Y3

also there's some thread around here where dee extrovert notes that there are numerous 80-81 era singles not yet on CD.

sleeve, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

TS: nu-Slits vs. nu-Raincoats, gotta go with Raincoats there.

sleeve, Thursday, 17 February 2011 22:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

isn't the Cut/Uncut 2CD remastered edition old news, or is that something else? I remember asking my mom for it for Christmas 09 and catching major hell for it...

kingkongvsbasedgodzilla (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, what planet are you people on? The 2xCD "Cut" has been out for a while. It doesn't feature the interview track from that 7" because that was part of "Return Of The Giant Slits" - and guess what . . . it is on that 2xCD reissue!

Also, "Retrospective" is on CD now, from Japan, with both sides of the "Man Next Door" 7" and nbon-LP versions of "Animal Space" and Animal Spacier" as bonus tracks. That's been out a couple of years, too. I think everything is on CD now, with the exception of the 12" version of "Man Next Door."

Slits vs Raincoats? The first two Raincoats albums were better than the first Slits albums as cohesive pieces, but of those four albums, "Cut" is probably the best when you add in its utter originality and spirit. "Return Of The Giant Slits" I always perceived as a collection of oddball 12" sides crammed onto an album. In other words, it doesn't really work as an album - and there are a few weak tracks - but as individual pieces, it's pretty great.

I like the Slits' vaguely anti-riot grrrl stance (too unoriginal, too dogmatic, not enough groove), which I think adheres best to the spirit of punk / postpunk. The Raincoats seem more charmed by their influence on riot grrrl type stuff. They're now an out-and-out tribute band to themselves, performing mostly their first album and a couple of other later tunes (like "Shouting Out Loud" and "No One's Little Girl.") I'm disappointed at how they've rewritten history in eliminating a full 1/6 of their pre-reunion stuff from reissues and not releasing a few good things I know they have in their cupboards. The Slits have more than doubled the length of their two "real" studio albums as reissues, added tracks to "Retrospective" and put out a couple of great live albums and a collection of all their Peel sessions. Much more generous!

Both groups' reunion records were pretty lame. The Slits lost a lot in losing Viv (who rightly called it when she said she didn't want to be a part of Ari's backing band) and their reunion album proved that Viv was the only real songwriter (especially lyrically) in the band (save Palmolive in the early days.) The new Viv solo stuff, by the way, is a different kettle of fish and probably truer to the original spirit of both bands than any of their other post-breakup stuff. Sonically, quite different, though. Viv's played guitar with the Raincoats a time or two.

crustaceanrebel, Friday, 18 February 2011 09:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Someone e-mailed me asking about the missing "1/6" of the original Raincoats' oeuvre:

Adventures Close To Home (7" version from "Fairytale In The Supermarket")
Running Away (the other side of the "No One's Little Girl" single)
Honey Mad Woman, Avidoso and Dreaming In The Past (all from the album "Moving")
Honey Mad Woman (Dennis Bovell 12" mix)

Strangely, the Raincoats have just reissued "Moving" on CD in Japan and removed *another* track! ("The Body," in case you're wondering.) But they have added "Running Away," so you can spend $30 for the Japanese CD to get that one track. Are they trying to write Vicky Aspinall and Richard Dudanski out of history? (I know "Avidoso" and "Dreaming In The Past" were his tunes, and I'm pretty sure the other two were Vicky's.) Demented.

crustaceanrebel, Friday, 18 February 2011 10:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Nothing particularly wrong with Here to Be Heard: The Story of the Slits, but I felt like it could have been better. I was there to learn; I bought Cut many years after the fact, but probably only played it once or twice. I'm posting here because I found the two Raincoats videos they played beforehand more compelling.

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 02:55 (three months ago) Permalink

Eh, the bonus disc (with the deluxe version) wasn't all that. "Cut" is insanely great, though, and stomps over all of the Raincoats output, as good as it is.

2011 me is wrong about the first part - the demos offer a different perspective on "Cut" and add greater understanding of where they were coming from and where they were going. But I stand by the second - the Slits take on dub-punk is much more exciting than the folk-punk of the Raincoats (which I quite like, mind!).

I also got the 2CD expanded "Return Of The Giant Slits" for the bonus disc of dub versions, all great.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 13:46 (three months ago) Permalink

Slits movie also mentioned on another Slits thread recently

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 13:20 (three months ago) Permalink

x-post- ah the late 70s... transitional time

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 13:22 (three months ago) Permalink

great photos. would be great if KC didn’t have to be invoked every f-ing time the Raincoats are mentioned.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 13:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Raincoats. Although if either had originally done the Mo-dettes White Mice I would've put my vote there.

Yerac, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 13:52 (three months ago) Permalink

Slits

Incline/decline (Ross), Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:17 (three months ago) Permalink

So the movie doc Here to Be Heard: The Story of the Slits is on Hulu now, but I haven't seen it yet

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:21 (three months ago) Permalink


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