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sorry if there has already been a thread on this, i couldnt find one. ive had the 'tired sounds of' for a while, and think its very pretty, and deserty, and empty.

but this weekend, i went and got their first album, music for nitrous oxide, and, it feels somehow darker, and forested

with both, i have the sort of sensation of being in a porcelain bath, on the dry flats of the aral sea.

i havent heard anything in between these 2 records, so how does the rest of it pan out, and what do you think of these 2

and also, i think i might have dismissed them, subconsiously, for a long time without hearing them, as being 'another kranky band', which is fine and all, i guess. but, from what i've heard, these stand some way above that, and dont really seem particurlarly connected to the kranky sound?

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the preacher samples on 'down' strike me as unneccessary, cheapening it somehow. having said that, i suppose its a tried and tested postrock trick to do that now, maybe less so in 94, and before all those boring gybe bands started doing it

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They're a band who I enjoy very much without ever having them immediately leap to mind as obvious favorites. Like the good folks of Windy and Carl, who also made a move to Kranky after initial releases, there's beauty in the soothing minimalism but W&C are notably much more lush and, for lack of a better term, cascading, while Stars aim more for a continuous extension of mood. In that Kranky made its initial name with Labradford there's something of a connection to the label ethos as vaguely considered.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I heart SotL big time.

For some reason Jessica Balliff comes to mind as a kindred soul on Kranky. Both are great choices for long lonely road trips, I think.

harshaw (jube), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For me, everything I found affecting and great about W&C was rendered in a lifeless and pointless way by SOTL. I've grown to appreciate them a little more over time, but I could listen to CDs eight hours a day for the rest of my life and still not think to take anything by them off the shelf

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 7 June 2004 08:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The first album is probably still my favorite. I like the cheapness of it, the mixed in radio, etc. The albums in between the ones you have sound more like each other than the ones you have. That is, your two are the furtherest apart in terms of sound of any of their records. I say go for The Ballasted Orchestra next, which I believe is 4-track like the first one.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Both are great choices for long lonely road trips, I think.

stars of the lid on a road trip? i would fall asleep in 10 minutes.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no one ever talks about that labradford/stars of the lid split 12". and it's pretty nice.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 7 June 2004 12:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

strangely, cutty, putting ambient on while driving focuses my mind and generates lots to think about, which keeps me awake.

i suggest you try it (with a passager in case you go under)

harshaw (jube), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
has there been anything since tired sounds?

what it like?

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmm...I'm not sure! *checks CDs* Tired is definitely the last of the four I have.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 April 2005 23:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Dead Texan !! (beautiful stuff, also on cranky, i think)

pod thai, Monday, 18 April 2005 00:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one of the best live shows i've ever seen.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 18 April 2005 01:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Avec Laudenum came out after the Tired Sounds on Kranky, but was
released before it on some other label. I know they have a new
one coming out pretty soon. An upcoming track was included on Kranky's new "Kompilation". Dead Texan is good, as mentioned,
but I find myself going back to Tired Sounds and Ballasted Orchestra
more.

Zach S, Monday, 18 April 2005 02:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ahhh, i would love a new SOTL album.

fucking geniuses.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 18 April 2005 02:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have not come around on Ballasted Orchestra yet. Not as obviously gorgeous as Tired or Gravitational. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Is this a phase that everyone goes though on that album, like puberty?

Lukas (lukas), Monday, 18 April 2005 02:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what do you think of the dead texan record, should i get it? i like the one track ive heard, aegena airlines? its quite different, a little more, er, forceful is the wrong word, but it seems more focussed/traditional, less vague (this doesnt make it better or worse). how is the rest of the lp?

has mcbride done anything since tired sounds (other than playing upfront for fulham thati s. actually, isnt that mcbride a texan too?)

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 24 April 2005 10:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
ive been going back to music for nitrous oxide again recently, and its much more abrasive than i'd remembered, i love the live lid track!

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Brian McBride is releasing an album at the end of the month, "When the Details Lost Their Freedom". This page has mp3s and a little bit about his divorce.

http://www.brainwashed.com/common/htdocs/discog/krank088.html

Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wait sorry i think they're partial mp3s.

Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Was wondering about him! Dug Wiltzie's Dead Texan thing but was definitely curious about the other half

Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

new album plz.

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Revive, please. I saw Dead Texan on Tuesday, quite by accident, as they were supporting Final Fantasy. What incredible sounding music! I bought the CD/DVD afterwards, I was so impressed.

Are Stars of the Lid like that as well? If Gareth likes them, chances are I would, as well.

Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 07:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
so good!

requiem for dying mothers part two is filling my room right now and sounds amazing

perhaps i am revealing my innocence, but i do not know what the name, "stars of the lid" refers to. do you?

terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 1 January 2006 10:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

kate, yes stars of the lid are like dead texan, but less...resolved?

i love the aegena airlines track from that (http://www.brainwashed.com/common/video/mov/the_dead_texan-aegina_airlines.mov), rest is good, but not essential

terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 1 January 2006 10:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the brian mcbride album might be better than the dead texan.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 1 January 2006 16:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
while waiting for new record:

adam pacione 'sisyphus' (elevator bath)

very similar vary good

andrewc, Friday, 3 February 2006 06:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
Any word on a new album? As I posted back in April 2005, they had a track on the Kranky Kompilation album that was listed as a song from their "forthcoming" album. Dead Texan, half of Stars of the Lid, put out an excellent solo album, as did Brian McBride, the other half. Where's the new album, dammit!?

I thought of them yesterday when I heard Harold Budd & Eno's "The Pearl" for the first time, and it struck me as Dead Texan-esque.

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Still no news... *taps fingers*

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dead Texan is nice but not a solo album, it's a group (a duo).

sylvie and babs (sylvie and babs), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dead Texan is nice but not a solo album, it's a group (a duo).

Oh, really? Whoops. I knew that someone else did the artwork and the videos for the accompanying DVD, but I didn't know there was a musical collaborator.

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Okay, I e-mailed Stars of the Lid to inquire about the new album, and received this in response:

"don't worry chief,
there is news and a new 2xcd 3xlp to come.


should be availible in march/april at the latest..."

I'm putting "Stars of the Lid Chief" on my business card, if I ever get one.

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

It's just plain odd, and quite possibly counterproductive, seeing SOTL at the top of the Metacritic list of albums of 2007. Kind of counter to their whole ethos.

Mister Craig, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it produces some pretty funny backlash comments though so i'm all for it

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Robin C. gave it a 2:
This is a joke,right? These critics have such a wacky sense of humour.

Chris C gave it a 3:
Indie kids decided that the new vogue was a bunch of random tones slowly fading in and out? Why didn't they send me a memo?!

Hehheh.

Mister Craig, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Best:

Matt A. gave it a1:
This album licks my balls. It's even worse than The Field and so I guess it makes sense in an ironic way that it beats out that atrocity of an album for best of the year on this web site. The critics need to get a clue that they aren't proving anything by raving about this crap. It's aimless electronic nonsense and anyone with ears and half-decent taste in music can tell you that.

Mister Craig, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Interesting that this was revived, I finally got around to hearing this today. It was pleasant enough. Good ambient music. But top of the list?

xpost
Those comments are hilarious indeed.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't understand why it would be counter to their ethos? Unless you mean it's odd to rate it competitively. But it's always fun to read idiot comments.

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ironically, this is probably their most "pop" record though in that there are clear melodies/passages in almost every track that stick out in my head and work as hooks, which didn't happen for me with most of tired sounds

it's a bit less minimal and more cinematic than any of their previous albums but i didn't really see anyone touch on this in any of the reviews linked from the metacritic page

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I noticed those comments earlier. And chuckled briefly.

Just got offed, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ironically, this is probably their most "pop" record though in that there are clear melodies/passages in almost every track that stick out in my head and work as hooks, which didn't happen for me with most of tired sounds

it's a bit less minimal and more cinematic than any of their previous albums but i didn't really see anyone touch on this in any of the reviews linked from the metacritic page

-- ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:18

I'd partially agree with that.. certainly the occasional track like 'Even If You're Never Awake (Deuxieme)' is markedly hooky by their standards.

Mister Craig, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think my favorite part of that metacritic page is
GENRE(S): Rock, Electronic

ciderpress, Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So, it's become imperative that I buy either "Tired Sounds. . ." or "And Their Refinement of the Decline." Either way, Is there any consensus on which is better to get first? From what I gather the consensus says Tired sounds is more so, and I'm not too familiar with, and don't want to burden myself with the arduous task of actually deciding for myself. Or, is there not much difference?

mehlt, Sunday, 25 November 2007 00:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

start with tired sounds, yes.

cutty, Sunday, 25 November 2007 00:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

*Should say "Not too familiar with "And Their Refinement. . ." I have, in fact, made my own decisions before.

mehlt, Sunday, 25 November 2007 00:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

tired sounds is more singular in tone to atrotd; atrotd goes for full-on widescreen euphoria, where tired sounds culminates with a series of endless blissed out drones. kinda like the difference between inner and outer space. both are some of the best music ever recorded imo so you need both really. even if you only start with one you'll get the other eventually.

going to watch them live on monday. gonna be sick.

r1o natsume, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I agree with the post above re: the singular tone vs widesceen thing, and that if you like the one you'll want the other eventually. Still, I'd say start with Tired Sounds, as it contains perhaps the greatest consecutive 15 minutes of music they've ever made - Requiem for Dying Mothers, Pts 1 and 2, which somehow manages to evoke the feeling of drifting around in North Atlantic coastal waves, or some impossibly long descent from the top of a tree as a falling leaf, or maybe just peaceful last breaths before dying, all without sounding nearly as gay as I just made it sound. And the rest of the album is nearly as good. Refinement goes for a more varied blissed out feeling, and succeeds, mostly, but if you dig the melancholy mood of Tired Sounds, you'll be obsessed.

Z S, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was really upset by those metacritic posts.

cutty, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Of the next 5-10 cd's I buy, there's a good chance both will be included. It's honestly sometimes hard to fathom how much of an affect they can get out of so little, it's some of the most viscerally captivating and straightforward music I've heard in so long.

mehlt, Sunday, 25 November 2007 02:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

woohoo, live in Seattle at the Triple Door 4/18!!!
(with Christopher Willits and Lusine)

Mackro Mackro, Friday, 29 February 2008 21:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

ha, yeah, it sort of seems like it wouldn't be toooooo hard to do, but it is! i was trying to do some ambient-y kinda things recently and couldn't get a grip on it.
anyone check out this? might scratch the stars of the lid itch: https://scissortail.bandcamp.com/album/diminished-composition

tylerw, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:30 (two years ago) Permalink

i wish i could make music like this but i wouldn't even know how to start

― na (NA), Monday, November 28, 2016 4:07 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seems to me a volume pedal + analog delay + knowledge of basic guitar chords and voila but what do I know

Wimmels, Monday, 28 November 2016 23:42 (two years ago) Permalink

There's a new AWVFTS out on Erased Tapes... a film soundtrack. Haven't spent enough time with it but, perhaps unsurprisingly, it didn't seem at the level of Atomos. Felt a little more generic.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:36 (two years ago) Permalink

Adam Bryanbaum Wiltzie has the "Salero" soundtrack at Erased Tapes, while AWVFTS have the "Iris" soundtrack available at the usual electronic haunts now (look for the bonus version w/ 2 tracks from ABW's EP), as well as the cd/vinyl versions for pre-order at Erased Tapes.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 03:25 (two years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

New material from Brian McBride (from 25 mins in): https://www.mixcloud.com/NTSRadio/kranky-w-brian-mcbride-5th-july-2017/

toby, Friday, 7 July 2017 05:26 (one year ago) Permalink

jesus, it's been 10 years since the last one

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 July 2017 05:28 (one year ago) Permalink

stars of the lid, that is. every time this thread is revived i'm literally crossing my fingers

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 July 2017 05:28 (one year ago) Permalink

me too :(

flappy bird, Friday, 7 July 2017 05:32 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

https://soundcloud.com/adambryanbaumwiltzie/sotl_twin-plotkin_v2

"For fans of SOTL's earlier minimal drone era. This Lost recording from 1997 of a remix of Stars of the Lid's Twin Peaks Episide # 30 Part 1, by James Plotkin. (Commissioned for $100USD)During this particular moment, the glory days of pre-file sharing, we had been considering and gathering remixes via the post for a potential release but as many things go in the world of Lid, the idea became a bit stale. Mostly due to our own boredom. We are not sure if this thing is of any decent quality, but if you listen at low levels then the effect could possibly lead to a good nap at the very least...."

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:09 (one year ago) Permalink

damn

In a slipshod style (Ross), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:45 (one year ago) Permalink

every time this thread is revived i'm literally crossing my fingers

Simon H., Wednesday, 20 December 2017 18:47 (one year ago) Permalink

same

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:01 (one year ago) Permalink

wait, i said that
still the same, i guess

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:02 (one year ago) Permalink

the tired sound of this thread revival

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:00 (one year ago) Permalink

it's kind of weird to introduce a remix by someone else with "we are not sure if this thing is of any decent quality"

i like it though!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:04 (one year ago) Permalink

I get the sense that SotL have a case of crippling perfectionism and truly cannot tell if anything they do is good.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 21:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Hence the self deprecating song titles :)

In a slipshod style (Ross), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 21:29 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm seeing them live for the first time at the Sigur Ros thing next week.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:02 (one year ago) Permalink

those recent shows they did in some church in NYC looked transcendent, would love to see them :/

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 23:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I saw them in LA 2.5 years ago and they were phenomenal.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:41 (one year ago) Permalink

how hard is it to stay awake during their sets, just curious

In a slipshod style (Ross), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:47 (one year ago) Permalink

not hard, it's an enthralling experience.

Man, the refinement of the decline of this thread and its updates, indeed

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 December 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

was just clowning around tbh

:)

In a slipshod style (Ross), Thursday, 21 December 2017 16:53 (one year ago) Permalink

👊

♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:59 (one year ago) Permalink

They were great tonight in Reykjavik. Beautiful and medative. I did find my eyes closing over a few times, but didn’t fall asleep.

michaellambert, Saturday, 30 December 2017 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

totally fell asleep at a Boston show ~2003, no regrets

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:53 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

“Atomos” will be on TV

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/dance-season?#heading-atomos

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 18 April 2018 11:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

awesome!

dyl, Thursday, 19 April 2018 02:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Pfork article on Adam Wiltzie scoring the new Whitney Houston documentary.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:34 (seven months ago) Permalink

We work on stuff, but I don’t know. We’re weird people, Brian [McBride] and myself. After 2007, we could feel this—I don’t know why I would ever feel like Stars of the Lid was starting to feel hyped—but there was some madness starting to happen at the end of touring that last record [And Their Refinement of the Decline]. If we had just kept going, it would have turned into something else. For me especially, I just thought I should do something different. [Sighs] Like let’s move on and do something else. We come back to it and still enjoy making music together. Hopefully, we’ll try to poop out one more Stars of the Lid record before we pass on.

poop it out! poop it out! poop it out! poop it out!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:18 (seven months ago) Permalink

lol

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

what is with that embarrassing headline

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah, it's awful

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

maybe it'll catch on

hold up a second, you're telling me there's a lost coltrane album featuring his classic quartet?

wope, wope, wope - dave grohl recorded new music and i'm writing about it?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

Whoa whoa whoa, slow down - Elvis Costello? DEAD?? No way

flappy bird, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 18:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

'a guy from stars of the lid' smh

guess i'll be seeing the whitney doc!

dyl, Thursday, 12 July 2018 01:44 (seven months ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

going to see laurie anderson at the Art Institute of Chicago tonight, and afterward i will definitely be making a trip to see the Stars of the Lid installation:


Stars of the Lid ··· “Installation for People with Special Powers on the Run from Government Exploitation” ··· Inspired by the Sculpture Court
Location: Gallery 161

will provide trip report when i get back. also on the docket tonight are site-specific installations by midori takada, visible cloaks, kaitlyn aurelia smith, tashi wada and julia holter, and more.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 17 February 2019 17:52 (three days ago) Permalink

https://midwinter.pitchfork.com/schedule/

i am very excited because i didn't think i would be able to see any of this since i had 0 dollars when the shows were announced, but my partner secretly bought us a ticket and i just found out recently. :)

Karl Malone, Sunday, 17 February 2019 17:53 (three days ago) Permalink

that's awesome. i went on friday night and thought i was going to volunteer/see stuff for free on sat but that fell through. tonight i promised to go to a friend's show BUT it includes another friend playing in the "secret Slowdive side project" (lol) that played last night. it was a pretty engaging enterprise, hope they do it again!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 17 February 2019 17:56 (three days ago) Permalink

did you end up seeing any of the installations on friday night? i'm not sure what to expect

Karl Malone, Sunday, 17 February 2019 17:59 (three days ago) Permalink

they were not well labeled imo -- i also have to admit to having trouble reading the program because it was so tiny BUT you may have an easier time knowing where things are if you have read about where and what it is beforehand? i wanted to see the stars of the lid one but failed to find it. on the upside, haley fohr's performance was amazing and i'm glad i saw it.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 17 February 2019 18:05 (three days ago) Permalink

yeah, i don't want to criticize the roll-out of the entire midwinter thing too harshly because i'm guessing someone i know, here or otherwise, might have worked on it, but on the whole it has been very, very confusing just to figure out what is going on, who is playing and when, how much it costs, and what you will be able to see with a ticket.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 17 February 2019 18:09 (three days ago) Permalink

the sound installations are just some sonos speakers stuck in corners of certain rooms. all the music i heard from them was pretty ambient. the stars of the lid one was probably the most effective because it was in a more open space and was loud enough to hear. the julia holter one was almost inaudible.

na (NA), Sunday, 17 February 2019 20:55 (three days ago) Permalink

Will they remain installed outside of the midwinter fest? Trying to experience a sound installation at a giant party is futile.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 17 February 2019 22:06 (three days ago) Permalink

no but they were all in various gallery rooms of the art institute so it wasn't very party like in there

na (NA), Sunday, 17 February 2019 23:32 (three days ago) Permalink

on the dark side, couldn't really hear the stars of the lid soundscape because of crowds and people talking

on the bright side, accidentally caught a laurie anderson encore performance while i was checking out this butt!

https://i.imgur.com/6iQyVZa.jpg

Karl Malone, Monday, 18 February 2019 04:21 (two days ago) Permalink

That's an amazing photo! How was her show?

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 18 February 2019 08:20 (two days ago) Permalink

it was wonderful! i feel bad posting a long thing about it in the stars of the lid thread (where with every revive i hope it's news about a new album), so i put it here instead: S/D Laurie Anderson

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 03:36 (yesterday) Permalink

sotl are so good at naming things :D

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 03:57 (yesterday) Permalink


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