Prog Rock

not really prog, more jazz-fusion

He certainly plays a lot of beats on those albums, ha ha.

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I've always wished someone would sample Bill Bruford's china-boy extravaganza on "One More Red Nightmare".

and the devi influenced tracks by brian auger's oblivian express.

http://www.suckadelic.com/main.html

I have the lotr one, which is only a little bit funny, unfortunately...

South Side Of the Sky
Going For The One
Ritual (!!)
OOALH
Long Distance Runaround
Soon

Vitalski: It's an obvious answer but do you have Yes' Fragile? The second side is a goldmine. Side 2 opens with the first drum and bass track evah! Also check out the intro to "Heart of the Sunrise" and "The Fish" and the basslines to "Long Distance Runaround" and "Roundabout". Neil Peart is another obvious choice.

I find Inner Mounting Flame more or less unlistenable once I got past how virtuosic it is.

Return to Forever (w/diMeola), for ex., sounds more like emotionless showmanship to me. Fun in some ways, in no way deep like Mahavishnu.

I saw them in Lowell at the Paul Tsongas Arena last weekend (the last gig of this leg of their tour; I think the one right after MSG), which they were videotaping I believe for a PBS special and later a DVD release. They played The Beatles' "Every Little Thing" (an early cover of theirs, but very much revamped) as an encore instead of "Soon", plus "Starship Trooper" as the final closer. Great versions of "And You and I", "Ritual", "Turn of the Century"...

Minuses: They did a shuffle-blues acoustic version of "Roundabout" (like Clapton did for "Layla" on his Unplugged)--sounds too cheezy to me. Dean's inflatable set looked very (ahem) Stonehenge like.

That aside, I continue to be amazed at what a great show these guys still put on, since they're all like 55-60 years old. Plus, the a/c that night was non-existent, so it was like 85-90 degrees on stage the entire time for them.

it actually exists. it's actually pretty good.

From Adrenalinepr:
Avant garde progressive rock band DOCTOR NERVE has released its heaviest and most hard-hitting release to date in the form of a new four-song EP entitled LOUD.

Mixed by Nik Chinboukas (Testament, Metal Allegiance) and mastered for maximum impact by Thomas Dimuzio, LOUD is as aggressive as it is intricate. LOUD features a whopping 11 bonus tracks made up of alternate versions of the EP’s four original tunes, featuring guest appearances by Mike Keneally, Henry Kaiser, Robert Musso, Kevin Hufnagel (Dysrhythmia), René Lussier, Andrew Hawkins (Baring Teeth), Matt Hollenberg (Cleric, John Zorn) and Shawn Persinger is Prester John.

A freaky video for the song “If You Were Me Right Now I'd Be Dead,” which debuted last month via Metal Injection, was filmed half speed backwards and flipped to sync with the track. Watch the video at https://youtu.be/TfAvIW9MLGw. The site also gave listeners a taste of LOUD through the song “Painting with Bullets,” featuring a guitar solo by Mike Keneally. Check out “Painting with Bullets” here: https://metalinjection.net/av/new-music/doctor-nerve-release-wild-new-track-painting-with-bullets-feat-mike-keneally.

LOUD track listing:
1. If You Were Me Right Now I'd Be Dead
2. Painting With Bullets
3. Meta 04
4. Uses Probe Form

Adorned with explosive cover art by “violent artist” Masato Okano, LOUD is available in a variety of editions, including CD, streaming, 12” limited edition vinyl, spinning at a mind-numbing 45 rpm, and a Deluxe Package featuring hand-numbered, autographed, heavyweight colored vinyl + CD + download, with poster by Masato Okano and insert art autographed by Tom Marsan. LOUD is available at www.punosmusic.com/doctornerve/loud.

DOCTOR NERVE has been annihilating the boundaries between rock, metal, improvisation, jazz and experimental music since 1983. Emerging out of the downtown NYC/Knitting Factory scene, the band evolved quickly from a punky electric jazz hybrid into a completely original, quirky, progressive ensemble. Led by guitarist Nick Didkovsky (Vomit Fist, Fred Frith, Alice Cooper), DOCTOR NERVE features some of the hottest musicians on the NYC scene.

DOCTOR NERVE is:
Leo Ciesa – drums
Nick Didkovsky - electric guitar, composition
Yves Duboin - soprano sax
Rob Henke - trumpet
Benjamin Herrington – trombone
Jesse Krakow - electric bass
Michael Lytle - bass clarinet
Kathleen Supové – piano

DOCTOR NERVE online:
www.facebook.com/DoctorNerve
www.doctornerve.bandcamp.com
www.twitter.com/DoctorNerve

nice!! I didn't know there were Japanese prog acts active as early as '73 (when their debut came out according to RYM). I guess Mandrake was formed in '74 but they never actually released anything. This is really good

― frogbs

i think mops went a little prog in their later career... there's also a live album by the Peanuts where they do a pretty straight cover of "Epitaph"...

I've broken plenty of prog rock records.

― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:50 (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Longest ARP Odyssey solo of all time?

Most conceptual concept album

I need assistance, been listening to Stormwatch a bit recently and it's really bugging me what (and who) the song 'Home' sounds like, my wife reckons it's Wings but I'm not sure, any suggestions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8ZaIYzZlNo

procul harum

*procol

Sounds a bit like Elton John tbh.

... but, yes, Procol Harum.

... or Roy Wood.

anyone picked this up yet?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51dLSpjZvZL._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Yeah it's great. I posted about it in the "good books about music" thread a month ago but got no replies.

looking forward to getting it, hoping it gets stuck into the obscure poop at the bottom of the cage and doesn't just focus on the big birds

Definitely want to read that at some point.

anagram have you read The Show That Never Ends? been curious wondering which of the two is better?

Haven't read that one. What I like about the Barnes book is that it scopes out everything except UK prog of the 70s. So despite its 600-page length it feels very focused.

I have the Barnes one but it's sitting on the shelf, unread, next to The Big Note (Zappa book), also unread, vibrating monolithically.

neo-prog dude (and well-to-do general hospital director) phideaux switched his albums to 'pay what you want' (including $0) for crisis listening

https://phideaux.bandcamp.com/

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2379

snowtorch has an especially prescient record cover

I’m not huge on prog but have been enjoying watching various old live shows on YouTube (crimson, genesis, gentle giant, ars nova (the Japanese one))

i don't know if they're "prog" proper but one of the bands from that era i love seeing are savage rose with annisette

here's a video of theirs from a '73 outdoor festival

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUora1Hj4Fg

there's another video of theirs from '74 that i think i've posted elsewhere

when it comes to brit prog there's some great video off french tv of the canterbury scene. i particularly recommend the episode of "rockenstock" that coupled a strange one-off lineup of caravan with a strange-one off lineup of hatfield and the north, the latter featuring robert wyatt on vocals!

i LOVE the first savage rose album, ty for the link!

is there a chance the new phish album is any good?

I'll bite. Yeah, it's really good - as far as Phish studio albums go. They (thankfully) ditched Bob Ezrin (not a good match for them at all) in favor of Vance Powell and I think he did a great job on this one. It's easily the best studio thing they've ever done, imo. The silliness is pretty much gone, in favor of a more introspective approach to lyrics. Helps that pretty much the entire record has been road tested for years. There are two instances where they jam out on the songs, to really great effect compared to past studio jams ("Everything's Right", "Thread"). There's also a few songs with orchestral touches that gave me a bit of a Beatles vibe for some reason. I'd hesitate to call it "prog" ("Petrichor", from their last album, was the closest they've come to prog in years), but I could see how prog fans might enjoy this far more than their other studio records.

A great recording of Dave Stweart's 'Rapid Eye Movement' went up on D1m3ad0z3n a few days ago and it's a great listen. It's from 1981, kinda like a strange cross between similar era Crimson, Bill Nelson's Red Noise and zippy New Wave Pop du jour. Includes a cover of XTC's Mekanik Dancing.

never was much on rapid eye movement, but i got a pretty nice tape of rick biddulph early '80s demos that often circulate erroneously labelled as being by "rapid eye movement" and "meanwhile" is a nice jam. wonder if that song ever had a complete version released?

two of mike barnes' favorite words appear to be "moot" and "remit"

local shop had 3 Triumvirat LPs - Spartacus, Old Loves Die Hard, and Pompeii (by "NEW TRIUMVIRAT"!!) - god, these records are so much fun

I never saw ELP, but I did see Triumvirat warm up for Fleetwoid Mac. They played the Illusions on a Double Dimple album in its entirety.

Just done a double take on my amazon recommendations because there's a 5 Essential albums collection of Nektar!

I would opine that they don't have 5 essential albums, and I'm a fan; had tix to see the current touring version this year but they cancelled.

There's also a box set of PFM's Manticore albums.

I'm not much of a modern prog connoisseur but I really like Vulkan's Technatura: late Opeth-esque Swedish prog with light shades of alt metal and what (to my ears) sounds like distant Thom Yorke inflections on the vocal front, which is a definite plus in my book.

Any love for Pulsar's Halloween? It's really good but not what the title or cover suggests.

Not an ounce of originality involved (or almost) but Wobbler's Dwellers of the Deep is a damn good pastiche.

Yeah, like a very specific product of 1971-72 (esp. Yes and Gentle Giant). It's pandering as hell, but I kind of love it. They catch the funky side of those bands.

oh damn I have to check that out. I was really excited about it then just forgot about it completely. Well, that's life.

I don't mind the '72 pastiche thing as long as you do it right. their last album very much sounded to me like it could've been recorded alongside Close to the Edge. it's like 95% as good too. a lotta bands try this but they just don't have the singer for it.

Whoa, thanks for the tip re: Wobbler! Yup, that Dwellers EP is indeed very well-executed in terms of Yes/GG worship.

The final sprint at the end of "Merry Macabre" is great.

I often find new prog albums too polished and sterile, so the vintage approach is at least a way around that. Even if the Hammond organ isn't my favourite sound in the world.

Awhile ago on the Jethro Tull thread I was enthusing about related band Carmen's Fandangos In Space, one of my favorite and most perfectly sequenced albums.

Dancing On A Cold Wind isn't as consistently brilliant but the heights are just as good "The Horseman" in particular. My CD version is the two album pack and this is a flawed vinyl rip, would be nice to hear a remaster. I'm pretty sure it's a concept album, they reuse a couple of bits from the previous album.

Again, I think they're one of the very best prog bands that didn't even attain a Gentle Giant level of fame and they really need a nice high profile reissue someday.

I used to love Fandangos in Space but I haven't played it in years, time for a relisten. I also own their final album, The Gypsies, which isn't anywhere near as good.

The Nektar tour is back on after being cancelled in 2020 and I have repurchased a ticket, fulfilling a "never got to see them back in the day" bucket list. Recent setlists show them doing full sides of classic albums so I'm stoked.

And I've located by misfiled Remember the Future album, now I need to remember if I still have Tab in the Ocean, or if I sold it long ago.

I'm still listening to The Gypsies, the first two are definitely better but I think by the third album they were hitting the start of lots of problems that ended up finishing them, there was troubles with getting a hold of Visconti again.

So I finally saw Nektar last night, a bucket list thing for me ever since I missed them back in the mid-70s. (Then punk happened and I didn't really think about them for decades.) I regained my nostalgia for prog, but also missed them in 2013, Roye Albrighton's last time with them here before he passed.

This could go on the "bands who shouldn't exist without..." thread, because without Roye they're essentially a pretty good Nektar tribute act. (His replacement used to be in Fireballet and also toured with Renaissance, so he's kind of a prog Zelig.) Original bassist and drummer remain, along their famed lightshow guy, with a few new recruits. They did do both side-long suites from Remember the Future, which were okay, the notes were there but something crucial seemed lacking. I'm glad I went, but I think I proved to myself I can't go back in time.

This is from two years ago, but it sounded essentially like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eGVpVm4xyk

it's quite a shame that these bands are really at the end of their line now. Can't think of any core prog bands still functional with a majority of long-term members now that Genesis and Crimson have folded up (VDGG still kicking though even w/o Jackson). I'm glad for the opportunities I've had to see many of them and regret missing the chance for many more.

They can take an idea from Daevid Allen who said Gong is an idea/spirit that can go on after he and all the other originals are gone. From what I've seen of their current tour they do a good job of it. Now if they'd only come to California.

I love this idea but idk how many bands could actually pull something like that off. you'd have to be a continuous unit where turnover is a near constant, where one member doesn't massively overshadow everyone else (so The Fall & Magma are out), plus the new music has to be good (so no to Yes). I guess I can see Hawkwind doing it. Tangerine Dream already is I suppose.

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And I saw Soft Machine about 3 years ago and it was the same situation of no originals, but then I realized three of the four had been in the band since the mid 70s, so it was an original version of that era. Wish they'd played longer (65 min) but they were doing two sets per night.

I watched a 3 hr Grateful Dead show on youtube with John Mayer and though I went in a skeptic he did an admirable job.

Robert John Godfrey also gave The Enid to the younger members with his blessing to continue as long as they want, because he became too ill to keep playing

David Thomas has been talking for a few years about grooming a successor to be the new singer in Pere Ubu. I see he's performing with them tomorrow, though, so not yet.

Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream, and Gong (to an extent) are the three that stick out in my mind. I don't know what will happen with Crimson after Fripp passes on but I would not be surprised to see a re-emergence of the Crimson Projekct with Markus Reuter involved. Stick Men already play several Crimson songs.

I mention Cairo's "Angels And Rage" every now and then on this thread and it must have became one of my favorite songs ever, nothing else on Conflict And Dreams lives up to it at all, though there are great moments scattered throughout it, the vocal harmonies and most dense parts are usually the highlights. Finally bought their other two albums and waiting for them. I believe a death in the band stopped them from going further.
I'm sure some will find them a tad cheesy but "Angels And Rage" is an incredible thing to me and it's been permanently lodged in my head whenever I think of a specific kind of epic science fiction excitement that is difficult to desribe, but it's on a planet rather than outer space.

I'm curious if anyone has experience with the other Magna Carta label bands like Magellan, Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Royal Hunt and Tempest?