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I liked what Red house painters did. Kotzelek's solo work was as good as RHP. Haven't heard the new album of his yet, the Sun kil Moon project. What is it like? Has his music undergone any change?

Rush Rhees (Rush Rhees), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

pretty much the same only slightly less downcast & strangely more consistent.worth getting

evan chronister (evan chronister), Saturday, 20 March 2004 01:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

awesome

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 23 March 2008 19:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

y'mean the new one, or just in general?

dell, Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

Sun Kil Moon S/D?

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

That thread is weird. I've never seen him play a dud show.

Also: Sun Kil Moon -- April

dell, Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

No love for Admiral Fell Promises? That album is just gorgeous.

John Lennon, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Its good, but less gorgeous than the two preceeding it.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:15 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm really enjoying the sound of nylon strings, and the classical and spanish influences on this album. It's a little shift in direction for him.

John Lennon, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Alesund is so gorgeous.

streetball technician in the flesh (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:04 (six years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

lol at song titles for next record due out in May:

I Know It’s Pathetic But That Was The Greatest Night Of My Life
Sunshine In Chicago
The Moderately Talented Yet Attractive Young Woman vs. The Exceptionally Talented Yet Not So Attractive Middle Aged Man
That Bird Has A Broken Wing
Elaine
The Winery
Young Love
Song For Richard Collopy
Among The Leaves
Red Poison
Track Number 8
Not Much Rhymes With Everything’s Awesome At All Times
King Fish
Lonely Mountain
UK Blues
UK Blues 2
Black Kite

so what do you guys think of the desertshore record?? i like it. it's like "old ramon" but less lugubrious

dell (del), Saturday, 11 February 2012 16:01 (five years ago) Permalink

Those titles read like an article in The Onion!

Lugubrious, good word that. Saying something from Mark Kozelak is "less lugubrious" is like saying knife wounds hurt less than gunshot wounds, though.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 11 February 2012 17:27 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah. turtle pond and mercy are not exactly "party songs"

dell (del), Saturday, 11 February 2012 17:43 (five years ago) Permalink

i think (hope) kozelek is taking the piss with those titles -- or at least the three longest ones

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 February 2012 23:33 (five years ago) Permalink

Skip to 5:40 to hear / watch Sunshine In Chicago...

http://www.southernsouls.ca/mark-kozelek/

"Sunshine in Chicago makes me feel pretty sad / My band played here a lot in the nineties when we had / lots of female fans and fuck they all were cute / now I just sign posters for guys in tennis shoes"

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:37 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

This one might be something else from grumpy ol' Mark.

Mule, Friday, 25 May 2012 20:42 (five years ago) Permalink

sounds like the record AFTER this one might be all time great

Iago Galdston, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:01 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd like to hear the full-band again sometime, but it seems he has to grow tired of the nylon strings first. Song weren't bad, but I'm only semi-excited for this one, though I'm a big fan.

Mule, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

i like this album a whole lot, certainly more than admiral fells promises; the immediacy and almost tossed-off-edness of the lyrics is a nice change. it's a much more eitzel-like record (long song titles, more tongue in cheek).

akm, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:48 (five years ago) Permalink

out today. some creepy lyrics!

caek, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:22 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

what about the new one, "among the leaves"? the cover art is horrid but the samples sound good.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 June 2013 15:45 (four years ago) Permalink

it's pretty okay. mark kozelek getting more literally creepy in his lyrics was a development i could've done without

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 7 June 2013 15:50 (four years ago) Permalink

I love it. "Young Love" was one of my favorite songs of the year.

Evan, Friday, 7 June 2013 15:51 (four years ago) Permalink

I dig it. It's definitely a change from his previous stuff... At least lyrically. He's much more matter of fact, self-deprecating and just plain assholish but it ends up being affecting as an album. Esp if you couple it w his new one w jimmy Lavalle

Heez, Friday, 7 June 2013 15:54 (four years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Loving this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHH-pAYaMEI

tarping, Friday, 17 January 2014 18:56 (three years ago) Permalink

Lovely stuff.

djh, Friday, 17 January 2014 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

normally i'm not a fan of lyrics that read like you've flipped open someone's daily-diary. a lot of teenpop lyrics read like this; it's okay, but i kinda think it's a little "artless," maybe? but mark kozelek absolutely, positively does this lyrical-style right.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 17 January 2014 20:13 (three years ago) Permalink

lol i really really can't follow him down this road unfortunately, though i love the sax solo

his voice has deteriorated terribly

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

i can dig the destroyer-style arrangement, but i'm not into the rapping that he's doing or whatever. maybe i'm boring but i prefer serious koz to the post-admiral fell promises goofy koz.

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

he's pretty goofy on old ramon but it's a goofy i can get with

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

more songs about your cat

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:51 (three years ago) Permalink

He has a knack for punctuating his new, more relaxed style with really devastating lines and songs here and there - or merging the style with super depressing vignettes (see Perils From the Sea).

Simon H., Friday, 17 January 2014 22:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Overall, I agree with monotony but I do enjoy this style too.

But yeah, it's like he became so fascinated with the serious guitar virtuoso/Andres Segovia and intricate/delicate melody approach on Admiral Fell Promises that he burnt himself out and has been doing something with an opposite vibe and approach since then.

And while I do enjoy this stuff so much (and it is often WAY more captivating live) either way, when I come back to AFP I'm knocked off my feet in comparison.

Evan, Friday, 17 January 2014 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

Yup, this is pretty far from the stunning brilliance of the first Sun Kil Moon album. Props for following his muse and all...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:40 (three years ago) Permalink

what is wrong with yall this shit owns

adam, Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:53 (three years ago) Permalink

It's great! It just is much less great than the AFP style to me.

Evan, Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:58 (three years ago) Permalink

(Just noticed, having ordered from Caldo Verde for the 2 disc version and bonus live album, that Amazon are claiming to be stocking the limited 2-disc version in the UK, for a tenner anyway).

djh, Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:20 (three years ago) Permalink

i still hate nils cline

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:49 (three years ago) Permalink

and nels lofgren too

doug watson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

For an admitted fanboy of RHP, I had a fairly pronounced dropoff with Koz circa the first SKM record. Sadly, this doesn't restore much interest for me.

doug watson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:03 (three years ago) Permalink

somehow the wonder of life prevails

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:05 (three years ago) Permalink

Admiral Fell Promises may be a top 3 favorite album ever (so far) for me. Young Love was my favorite song off of the last one, which is arguably closest to AFP. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new one a lot but I don't think it'll compare ultimately.

Evan, Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:06 (three years ago) Permalink

he doesn't practice as much as nils cline.

djh, Thursday, 30 January 2014 21:10 (three years ago) Permalink

lmao what the heck

this kind of rules though

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 00:45 (three years ago) Permalink

i still hate nils cline

oh, c'mon. he's awesome, especially when deployed as the secret-weapon in someone's pop or rock act (e.g., wilco and, on their last album, the equally-awesome tinariwen).

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 31 January 2014 00:51 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was intended as a personal attack, rather just a (misspelled) lyrical reference.

doug watson, Friday, 31 January 2014 13:24 (three years ago) Permalink

i can play circles around jay farrar

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 31 January 2014 13:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I don't know, I think this is his best album by a distance. Songwriting is just incredible. So much detail to get lost in. Anyone know how much of his writing is based on actual people vs. invented characters?

Position Position, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

this article makes it sound like a lot of it comes from actual people

Heez, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:38 (three years ago) Permalink

^^^^ it really is

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

i wish i could remember this in-depth defense of nü-sun kil moon an acquaintance of mine gave to me.. must not have been very convincing if i can't remember a single thing about it. he had thought about it quite a bit tho

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

I found deep discounted copies of the new Eitzel in two different record stores within 2 weeks of its release :(

I used to defend Koz but his laziness has just gotten to outsides to deny starting w/ Universal Themes and the worst of Benji

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 21:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

He needs a critical friend, doesn't he?

― djh, Wednesday, February 15, 2017 9:33 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Or even a friend?

Seems to be friends with Steve Shelley:
Steve and I first played together on the Benji album. We just go into the studio and make music and eat Mexican food.

john. a resident of chicago., Wednesday, 15 February 2017 22:03 (seven months ago) Permalink

They probably go to Taco Truck in Hoboken. I've seen Steve there. Like Sun Kil Moon, started out great but the quality has gone downhill in the last couple of years.

Evan, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 22:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

how i feel about this is how i imagine most people on earth feel about lulu

I'm not sure it's that awesome

niels, Thursday, 16 February 2017 13:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

How long until his new song about record shops?

https://www.normanrecords.com/records/163483

djh, Monday, 20 February 2017 21:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

that got me to relisten to the SKM parody EP which really is the fucking best

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 00:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

If only he changed his moniker for this phase, as it's more of its own distinct "project" at this point.

Is there a thread for artists that have released handfuls of albums in clusters that are polar opposites as distinct sets?

Evan, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 00:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

i'm not going to listen to this album

akm, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 15:32 (seven months ago) Permalink

That's wise

Evan, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 16:41 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah but then you'd miss the 12.5-minute song about the young lady found in a hotel rooftop water tank in 2013. it's got a subtle jet fuel/steel beams vibe

adam, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 16:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

a recurring theme--the cover photo appears to be of the tanks

adam, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 16:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

I could just post lyrics of the older material and we can pretend he retired after Benji (given that one and MK & Desertshore were the two arguably successful diary confessional rant albums)

Evan, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 17:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

xp that case has come up before in something i can't recall, i distinctly remember reading about it though

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 17:54 (seven months ago) Permalink

it's got a subtle jet fuel/steel beams vibe

I guess we should all be thankful Koz isn't an 1nfowars type...yet

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:00 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's a fairly big Internet thing ciderpress. Mainly due to the disturbing cctv footage of the deceased just before her death

Number None, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

there is an absolutely huge medium article by some weirdo regarding the death that goes through all the conspiracy theory stuff, and the official coroner verdict, and the writer went and stayed at the hotel and looked around etc. we talked about it on some thread that i will never remember when it happened

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

the young woman was from the metro van area so i def heard about it maybe more than others

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 18:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

I liked "Benji" a lot but man oh man this is hard going. Theres one track (songs doesnt really fit for a description) where he rants "IM NOT A FUCKING PUPPET!" over and over again

pointless rock guitar (Michael B), Thursday, 23 February 2017 19:02 (six months ago) Permalink

"i wish i could remember this in-depth defense of nü-sun kil moon an acquaintance of mine gave to me.. must not have been very convincing if i can't remember a single thing about it. he had thought about it quite a bit tho."

I have to confess that I've come up with arguments about it being impressive that he does different things, uses his voice differently, works with different people and is even prepared to look awkward/clumsy/uncool (as he did performing with Jesu) ... but all that counts for fuck all when you hear one of his dreadful tracks.

djh, Thursday, 23 February 2017 19:55 (six months ago) Permalink

What went wrong with the Jesu performances?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 23 February 2017 20:10 (six months ago) Permalink

Oh, nothing at all "went wrong" ... but in the clips I've seen he looks kind of awkward and exposed. I suppose if you're used to playing a guitar not having that prop must be really difficult. And there is definitely part of me that thinks "Good on him". Then I hear a record where he reads out a fan letter.

djh, Thursday, 23 February 2017 20:22 (six months ago) Permalink

I'm willing to go on record that it's not as terrible as it's being made out to be. I mean, it's unlikely I'll ever wade through it again, but there are some really beautiful moments (in Phildelphia Cop, Window Sash Weights, I Love Portugal, Sarah Lawrence Song) that I'm glad I stuck out to hear.

john. a resident of chicago., Friday, 24 February 2017 18:42 (six months ago) Permalink

where can I buy a perfectly tailored made to order puppet

Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 24 February 2017 19:33 (six months ago) Permalink

Just listened to I Love Portugal which wasn't very good at all. I sort of think Kozelek is smart enough to be up to something, but I'm not sure what that something is. He strikes me as being a bit like late-period Hemingway, where you can almost see the dementia through the bones of the words.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:26 (six months ago) Permalink

perhaps this is the only way out of a bad contract that he signed with himself

Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 27 February 2017 17:52 (six months ago) Permalink

he spends a lot of time alone and builds up a lot of resentment and he drinks a lot so he thinks he's funny and its funny to annoy people.

i dunno though, i kinda enjoyed this record, it's really weird,

Heavy Doors (jed_), Monday, 27 February 2017 17:56 (six months ago) Permalink

It's really just him overcompensating in his attempt to / as a result of:

1. Avoid SKM music just progressively getting safer and more nuanced as he gets older, which happens with many artists as any youthful angst progressively disappears from their new music with time. Most artists seem to kind of fall into a role of feeling like they need to put their sound into a more measured and sophisticated filter as they age. This was his trajectory up until AFP.

2. Capture in his own music his renewed love for early Modest Mouse records

3. Exhaustion after putting all of his virtuosic try-hard into AFP (as well as everything leading up to that point), and just feeling more comfortable talking candidly about his experiences and observations through song (Among the Leaves results).

4. After experiencing some grief in his life, he gets very confessional and the style finally resonates better with audiences. (Perils, MK & Desertshore and Benji result).

5. Combine the above while also attempting to more desperately rebel against the first point but probably telling himself he's doing something super unique and interesting and pretending it isn't just giving up at trying to actually "write" music or words like he was once capable of motivating himself to do.

Evan, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:58 (six months ago) Permalink

I don't think I could have formatted that any more confusingly, sorry. Just writing thoughts quickly.

Evan, Monday, 27 February 2017 18:59 (six months ago) Permalink

In early Sun Kil Moon days he was saying his lyrics had become more ambiguous as opposed to RHP's diary style but that seems to have reversed in an extreme fashion.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 February 2017 20:31 (six months ago) Permalink

Exhaustion after putting all of his virtuosic try-hard into AFP

Yeah there's just no way in hell he's putting in anywhere near as much time and effort these days as he did on the first three SKM records, why bother when he can get plenty of attention without bothering to actually compose

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 20:36 (six months ago) Permalink

I mean, we run the risk of pretending that art is measured strictly by a show of objective proficiency in composition and execution, but there are plenty of context clues on a overall timeline to indicate that in his case he is probably killing 2 or 3 birds by taking the easy route AND satisfying some of those other points/theories I listed at once.

Evan, Monday, 27 February 2017 21:12 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah I almost added for clarity that "effort" is obviously not a good yardstick of quality generally, I just think it's instructive/useful in this case

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 27 February 2017 21:13 (six months ago) Permalink

I wonder what he's 'working through'? He feels like a late Roth creation at times, stubbornly raging against the dying of the light. And, like Roth, sometimes maybe it just needs an editor to stand up and say 'edit, ffs'.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 27 February 2017 21:21 (six months ago) Permalink

In short I think it's that he's sick of being a musician but is enjoying the newness of being a beat poet instead.

Evan, Monday, 27 February 2017 21:35 (six months ago) Permalink

> Just listened to I Love Portugal which wasn't very good at all.

I dunno, the first three and a half minutes or so reminded me of mid-period Red House Painters, which I'm alright with. Wish it faded out after four minutes or so.

john. a resident of chicago., Monday, 27 February 2017 23:37 (six months ago) Permalink

> I wonder what he's 'working through'?

Maybe he's working through making a living. He's putting these out himself, right? I wonder what his profit margin and sales are on something like this. Geez, he's also got an EP coming out in April and another Jesu collaboration in May.

john. a resident of chicago., Monday, 27 February 2017 23:41 (six months ago) Permalink

this album is like someone took a bunch of Marc Maron's podcast intros, slowed them down and strumming a guitar over them.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 February 2017 13:59 (six months ago) Permalink

This is one weird record.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:37 (six months ago) Permalink

To my horror, this is the most I've ever liked Mark Kozelek. It helps to really not listen to the lyrics, and just take it as weird repetitive synth-loops.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 16:45 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
four weeks pass...

Jesu / Sun Kil Moon "30 Seconds to the Decline of Planet Earth" now streaming here: http://www.sunkilmoon.com/30seconds/

Hoping he's grown tired of reading fan letters out mid song!

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:57 (four months ago) Permalink

Quite enjoyed much of that.

djh, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 20:06 (four months ago) Permalink

anyone who gets through all of "wheat bread" deserves a medal imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 April 2017 23:56 (four months ago) Permalink

I gave up 4 (5?) songs in, when he started bragging about his humility and how many mates he's got. He may have been in character or just taking the piss, I'd lost track by then.

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 06:23 (four months ago) Permalink

Weird. Played this last night, listening while ironing, and genuinely enjoyed it (to the point of pre-ordering it) but playing it again ... my god, there are some awful bits alongside the beautiful bits. He reads another fan letter.

djh, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 22:12 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Apparently, he's about to release his 4th album this year.

djh, Monday, 11 September 2017 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

must have received more mail

President Keyes, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:55 (one week ago) Permalink

That "Ben's My Friend" track was all right. Sports bar shiiiittt...

yesca, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 14:29 (one week ago) Permalink


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