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I liked what Red house painters did. Kotzelek's solo work was as good as RHP. Haven't heard the new album of his yet, the Sun kil Moon project. What is it like? Has his music undergone any change?

Rush Rhees (Rush Rhees), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

pretty much the same only slightly less downcast & strangely more consistent.worth getting

evan chronister (evan chronister), Saturday, 20 March 2004 01:20 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...


BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 23 March 2008 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

y'mean the new one, or just in general?

dell, Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

Sun Kil Moon S/D?

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

That thread is weird. I've never seen him play a dud show.

Also: Sun Kil Moon -- April

dell, Sunday, 23 March 2008 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

No love for Admiral Fell Promises? That album is just gorgeous.

John Lennon, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Its good, but less gorgeous than the two preceeding it.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:15 (eight years ago) link

I'm really enjoying the sound of nylon strings, and the classical and spanish influences on this album. It's a little shift in direction for him.

John Lennon, Monday, 8 August 2011 20:45 (eight years ago) link

Alesund is so gorgeous.

streetball technician in the flesh (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 8 August 2011 21:04 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

lol at song titles for next record due out in May:

I Know It’s Pathetic But That Was The Greatest Night Of My Life
Sunshine In Chicago
The Moderately Talented Yet Attractive Young Woman vs. The Exceptionally Talented Yet Not So Attractive Middle Aged Man
That Bird Has A Broken Wing
The Winery
Young Love
Song For Richard Collopy
Among The Leaves
Red Poison
Track Number 8
Not Much Rhymes With Everything’s Awesome At All Times
King Fish
Lonely Mountain
UK Blues
UK Blues 2
Black Kite

so what do you guys think of the desertshore record?? i like it. it's like "old ramon" but less lugubrious

dell (del), Saturday, 11 February 2012 16:01 (seven years ago) link

Those titles read like an article in The Onion!

Lugubrious, good word that. Saying something from Mark Kozelak is "less lugubrious" is like saying knife wounds hurt less than gunshot wounds, though.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 11 February 2012 17:27 (seven years ago) link

yeah. turtle pond and mercy are not exactly "party songs"

dell (del), Saturday, 11 February 2012 17:43 (seven years ago) link

i think (hope) kozelek is taking the piss with those titles -- or at least the three longest ones

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 February 2012 23:33 (seven years ago) link

Skip to 5:40 to hear / watch Sunshine In Chicago...

"Sunshine in Chicago makes me feel pretty sad / My band played here a lot in the nineties when we had / lots of female fans and fuck they all were cute / now I just sign posters for guys in tennis shoes"

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Sunday, 12 February 2012 00:37 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 23:56 (seven years ago) link

This one might be something else from grumpy ol' Mark.

Mule, Friday, 25 May 2012 20:42 (seven years ago) link

sounds like the record AFTER this one might be all time great

Iago Galdston, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:01 (seven years ago) link

I'd like to hear the full-band again sometime, but it seems he has to grow tired of the nylon strings first. Song weren't bad, but I'm only semi-excited for this one, though I'm a big fan.

Mule, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:07 (seven years ago) link

i like this album a whole lot, certainly more than admiral fells promises; the immediacy and almost tossed-off-edness of the lyrics is a nice change. it's a much more eitzel-like record (long song titles, more tongue in cheek).

akm, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:48 (seven years ago) link

out today. some creepy lyrics!

caek, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 15:22 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

what about the new one, "among the leaves"? the cover art is horrid but the samples sound good.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 June 2013 15:45 (six years ago) link

it's pretty okay. mark kozelek getting more literally creepy in his lyrics was a development i could've done without

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 7 June 2013 15:50 (six years ago) link

I love it. "Young Love" was one of my favorite songs of the year.

Evan, Friday, 7 June 2013 15:51 (six years ago) link

I dig it. It's definitely a change from his previous stuff... At least lyrically. He's much more matter of fact, self-deprecating and just plain assholish but it ends up being affecting as an album. Esp if you couple it w his new one w jimmy Lavalle

Heez, Friday, 7 June 2013 15:54 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

Loving this

tarping, Friday, 17 January 2014 18:56 (five years ago) link

Lovely stuff.

djh, Friday, 17 January 2014 20:11 (five years ago) link

normally i'm not a fan of lyrics that read like you've flipped open someone's daily-diary. a lot of teenpop lyrics read like this; it's okay, but i kinda think it's a little "artless," maybe? but mark kozelek absolutely, positively does this lyrical-style right.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 17 January 2014 20:13 (five years ago) link

lol i really really can't follow him down this road unfortunately, though i love the sax solo

his voice has deteriorated terribly

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:15 (five years ago) link

i can dig the destroyer-style arrangement, but i'm not into the rapping that he's doing or whatever. maybe i'm boring but i prefer serious koz to the post-admiral fell promises goofy koz.

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:30 (five years ago) link

he's pretty goofy on old ramon but it's a goofy i can get with

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:51 (five years ago) link

more songs about your cat

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:51 (five years ago) link

He has a knack for punctuating his new, more relaxed style with really devastating lines and songs here and there - or merging the style with super depressing vignettes (see Perils From the Sea).

Simon H., Friday, 17 January 2014 22:11 (five years ago) link

Overall, I agree with monotony but I do enjoy this style too.

But yeah, it's like he became so fascinated with the serious guitar virtuoso/Andres Segovia and intricate/delicate melody approach on Admiral Fell Promises that he burnt himself out and has been doing something with an opposite vibe and approach since then.

And while I do enjoy this stuff so much (and it is often WAY more captivating live) either way, when I come back to AFP I'm knocked off my feet in comparison.

Evan, Friday, 17 January 2014 23:25 (five years ago) link

Yup, this is pretty far from the stunning brilliance of the first Sun Kil Moon album. Props for following his muse and all...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:40 (five years ago) link

what is wrong with yall this shit owns

adam, Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:53 (five years ago) link

It's great! It just is much less great than the AFP style to me.

Evan, Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:58 (five years ago) link

(Just noticed, having ordered from Caldo Verde for the 2 disc version and bonus live album, that Amazon are claiming to be stocking the limited 2-disc version in the UK, for a tenner anyway).

djh, Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:20 (five years ago) link

i still hate nils cline

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 30 January 2014 18:49 (five years ago) link

and nels lofgren too

doug watson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:00 (five years ago) link

For an admitted fanboy of RHP, I had a fairly pronounced dropoff with Koz circa the first SKM record. Sadly, this doesn't restore much interest for me.

doug watson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:03 (five years ago) link

somehow the wonder of life prevails

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:05 (five years ago) link

Admiral Fell Promises may be a top 3 favorite album ever (so far) for me. Young Love was my favorite song off of the last one, which is arguably closest to AFP. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new one a lot but I don't think it'll compare ultimately.

Evan, Thursday, 30 January 2014 20:06 (five years ago) link

he doesn't practice as much as nils cline.

djh, Thursday, 30 January 2014 21:10 (five years ago) link

lmao what the heck

this kind of rules though

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 00:45 (five years ago) link

i still hate nils cline

oh, c'mon. he's awesome, especially when deployed as the secret-weapon in someone's pop or rock act (e.g., wilco and, on their last album, the equally-awesome tinariwen).

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 31 January 2014 00:51 (five years ago) link

I don't think it was intended as a personal attack, rather just a (misspelled) lyrical reference.

doug watson, Friday, 31 January 2014 13:24 (five years ago) link

i can play circles around jay farrar

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 31 January 2014 13:56 (five years ago) link

I don't know, I think this is his best album by a distance. Songwriting is just incredible. So much detail to get lost in. Anyone know how much of his writing is based on actual people vs. invented characters?

Position Position, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:23 (five years ago) link

this article makes it sound like a lot of it comes from actual people

Heez, Friday, 31 January 2014 15:38 (five years ago) link

is this an SKM album or the new "Mark Kozelek" album (s/t)? because I started listening to this yesterday and I actually liked the first song, which is the first thing I've liked since Among the Leaves.

akm, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:37 (nine months ago) link

oh I guess there is an SKM album ('this is my dinner'). I know a few people who are really into these albums, they find them immensely interesting. I find them mind-numbingly dull. i don't know what he's thinking.

akm, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:38 (nine months ago) link

I gave it another go, skipping 'Linda Blair' this time. Some of the music's not too bad, better than the last few records. I even quite enjoyed 'Candles'. And there's nothing here quite as obnoxious as him corpsing while reading out earnest fan letters in the middle of a song.

No desire to listen to it ever again though.

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Friday, 9 November 2018 16:20 (nine months ago) link

"SKM used to be the all-time favourite band of a friend of mine, but not anymore - I think since Among The Leaves"

Mark would have made things much easier if he had retired the Sun Kil Moon moniker after that album came out. It's annoying to have to bookend any discussion/recommendation with a big loud disclaimer given half of his releases are the antithesis of the other half under SKM.

Evan, Friday, 9 November 2018 16:53 (nine months ago) link

Benji is the kind of album you can only make once. I don't really know what to do with most of the stuff he's released since, and also his frequent pissiness is kind of insufferable.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 9 November 2018 17:38 (nine months ago) link

lol what the fuck is this

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 November 2018 17:52 (nine months ago) link

Has it been established whether he's actually ill or not? Fucking weird behaviour, if not.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Friday, 9 November 2018 17:57 (nine months ago) link

Is it possible that J.D. Salinger wrote my favorite novel?
Yes, this is possible

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 9 November 2018 18:02 (nine months ago) link

one of the worst musicians in the world atm

imago, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:02 (nine months ago) link

He needs an editor. A fucking brutal one. And a friend.

djh, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:06 (nine months ago) link

Exactly my point. AFP showed that at the time he was arguably among one of the best.


Evan, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:19 (nine months ago) link

i did see a video clip of him attempting to do an RHP song at an SKM show in Europe a few weeks ago and he didn't remember anhy of the words. the band though was able to play it. I was surprised he even attempted it.

I dunno, he releases stuff on his own now and it seems to sell consistently enough that he's not rethinking his approach to what he puts out. I've stopped buying it and I stopped seeing him live, but obv other people don't, so it's not like he has a label saying "LOL WTF OMG NO"

akm, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:45 (nine months ago) link

That confirms its an imposter! Real Mark went missing in 2013.

Evan, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:50 (nine months ago) link

ok lol at the gurgling noises on 'linda blair'

what's funny is that it suddenly dawned on me that he would do it, just before he started doing it. i'm only a minute and a half in. and also, i can just tell he's going to do it again. this song is almost 12 minutes long!

Karl Malone, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:53 (nine months ago) link

loooooool it's happening again.

Karl Malone, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:53 (nine months ago) link

I got a lot of love for you, all you people here in Warsaw, Poland
If I gotta be honest, there's only one thing I’ll tell you that I don't love at all
It's the music of Steely Dan, it makes my skin crawl

ok a line has been crossed, fuck you MK

Karl Malone, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:59 (nine months ago) link

Oh man This Is Not Possible was on my Spotify list today, it’s just horrendous. There is no case to be made for it whatsoever on any level.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 11 November 2018 02:39 (nine months ago) link

so is he trolling or just losing it?

rip van wanko, Sunday, 11 November 2018 02:54 (nine months ago) link

Even the most die hard Kozelek fan I'm friends with hates it

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 11 November 2018 03:08 (nine months ago) link

this is very possible

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 11 November 2018 05:15 (nine months ago) link

why did he write a song called "The Moderately Talented Yet Attractive Young Woman vs. The Exceptionally Talented Yet Not So Attractive Middle Aged Man"

niels, Sunday, 11 November 2018 12:22 (nine months ago) link

that was one of his last good songs

akm, Sunday, 11 November 2018 17:42 (nine months ago) link

haha, well I'm surprised

I really like the Benji album, as did a bunch of lurkers iirc

niels, Sunday, 11 November 2018 22:11 (nine months ago) link

I liked 'Benji' too; I like 'Perils from the Sea' even more. Pretty much everything I've heard since has been appalling.

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Sunday, 11 November 2018 22:21 (nine months ago) link

I remember liking benji when it was released

F# A# (∞), Monday, 12 November 2018 02:17 (nine months ago) link

Benji and Perils both good. Bridgers cover even better.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 November 2018 03:42 (nine months ago) link

Kozelek & Desertshore is my favorite of the albums he did in his new style before totally going off the deep end.

Evan, Monday, 12 November 2018 04:46 (nine months ago) link

The weirdest thing here (having only listened to Linda Blair) is how intricate and interesting the music in the background is. It's baffling that that level of musicianship has that vocal and those lyrics. How must those musicians feel?

brokenshire (jed_), Monday, 12 November 2018 05:09 (nine months ago) link

To be honest the last song I loved was "Katy Song". After that everything he released got paler and paler. The collab with Desertshore was the last thing I purchased but only listened to once.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:24 (nine months ago) link

How must those musicians feel?

He's been working with the same folks a lot and they're probably very happy for the steady studio work.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:30 (nine months ago) link

half of the sun kil moon albums are pretty good. I'd still be having a good time. sometimes feels like he's in the "Everybody's Rockin'" phase of a Neil Young trajectory, but where rockabilly is modest mouse and the asshole record executive is himself. if he has a Weld or Harvest Moon later, the sum of his output will still be amazing? I think?

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:48 (nine months ago) link

Benji is Tonight's the Night, and aerosol can explosions are the heroin btw.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:50 (nine months ago) link

he's a million miles away
from that beer-commercial guitar day

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:51 (nine months ago) link

— Ryley walker (@ryleywalker) November 12, 2018

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:21 (nine months ago) link

the 'Fork finally gives up, a couple releases after most of the rest of us:

Kozelek isn’t the only songwriter who has had success with this mode of exhibitionist expression, of course, where the tiniest detail or circumstance plucked from day-to-day activity can offer an unexpected insight about life, loss, or emotion at large. After the death of his wife, Geneviève Castrée, Phil Elverum turned the act of taking out the day’s garbage into a moment of quiet desolation—and a jolting reminder as to why he had to keep going. Last year, Julie Byrne used the image of crossing the western United States to express a core of existential restlessness. Vivid songwriting, whether hip-hop or country, can hinge on these lived-in details. But during This Is My Dinner, Kozelek treats his songs like status updates on a Facebook account he again tells us he does not have. You often hear about bands leaving room for the singer, building up the lyrics rather than blocking them out. In this case, you wish that Kozelek had left any space at all for what sounds like a subtle, sophisticated backing crew, anchored by the expressive drumming of the Dirty Three’s Jim White. But, no: This is about Kozelek.

Recent themes return—Kozelek’s travels of Portugal and Norway, his anxiety over mass shootings, his subservience to his moods, how he understands pain better than the rest of us, his issues with his dad, how much meaning he extracts from boxers. What’s different here, though, is just how much we learn about Kozelek’s former virility and how losing it seems more bitter than sweet. He tells us about the time a promoter called him indie rock’s Wilt Chamberlain, the basketball star who claims to have slept with 20,000 women. He tries to dazzle with bygone tales of all the ménages à trois he’s had in Copenhagen and how he just doesn’t need them anymore. He vividly recounts escaping down frigid Oslo streets after a fan’s boyfriend caught her giving him a handjob and sucking his thumb. “When you’re in your 20s, in my opinion, nothing should be off limits,” Kozelek, 51, sings. Listening to This Is My Dinner is like going to a 25-year-high-school reunion and sitting beside the sad, divorced, and bloated former jock who tells you a dozen times about his game-winning touchdown at homecoming, then winks every time a pretty classmate walks by.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:11 (nine months ago) link

haha, nice one

niels, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:19 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

Really liking the demos/live disc of Red House Painters - Retrospective. "Waterkill" is great and I'll have to listen to other demos on youtube to see if they should have included any other unreleased songs.

Hope I find another band that either equals or tops pre-Ocean Beach RHP for this kind of sad music.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 9 February 2019 12:16 (six months ago) link

A+ seagull singing on live version of "Mistress".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 9 February 2019 15:32 (six months ago) link

Idk what’s with that falsetto voice he used to do. He doesn’t realize how much it sounds like that or a cat. Like you might think he’s doing a silly muppet voice on purpose but it appears he was always dead serious.

Evan, Saturday, 9 February 2019 15:40 (six months ago) link

It works for me.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 9 February 2019 16:37 (six months ago) link

I'm not necessarily always put off by it, it's just so odd to me because if anyone else did it faithfully they'd sound like they're making fun of it.

But his singing voice was always weird. Especially by the time he got to the SKM phase, his voice sounds perpetually like he's got a jawbreaker in his cheek when he sings/talks. Or like he's extremely congested? I don't know; it's clearly outside of his control. It could be that it was less of a thing in the earlier RHP days because at that time his style was to really enunciate everything. I probably wrote this exact post at some point upthread.

Evan, Saturday, 9 February 2019 17:22 (six months ago) link

I'm just glad to have opened this thread and not found that he has said/done something stupid.

djh, Saturday, 9 February 2019 17:57 (six months ago) link

Is he on social media?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 9 February 2019 20:41 (six months ago) link

No, thank christ

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Saturday, 9 February 2019 20:42 (six months ago) link

counterpoint: if he was on social media he'd have probably put all his bullshit there instead

imago, Saturday, 9 February 2019 21:20 (six months ago) link

he doesn't write songs anymore he writes feeds

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 February 2019 21:43 (six months ago) link

"thanks but i would've preferred this with no music and as a twitter thread"

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 February 2019 21:44 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

"Funhouse" is just so gutting

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 23 February 2019 22:44 (five months ago) link

I'm just glad to have opened this thread and not found that he has said/done something stupid.

― djh, Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:57 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ otm

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Sunday, 24 February 2019 05:11 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Early demo "The Bridge" sounds so much like "Cemetery Gates" by Smiths. I've read that Kozelek really didn't know much alternative/college rock back then but maybe the other members did.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 March 2019 17:14 (four months ago) link

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