Is Bob Dylan overrated?

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Atomic Clock, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

No, but some of his songs may be.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's another case of this:
Most Underrated Overrated Band?

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

dylan: no
dylan's lyrics: OH GOD YES!! A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I tried to give ol' Bobby D. another chance yesterday and listened to Dilate, which was highly recommended. Booooooring.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

there'll be puke by sundown

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

No he aint. However some people analyze some portions of his ouevre too much. I don't think there's any point close reading the lyric of 'I'll Be Your Baby Tonight'. Possibly Bob sometimes wishes his songs were enjoyed in the same way people enjoyed the big country hits that used to fill up the Billboard charts in the 50s and 60s.

pete s, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

If anything, most of his '70s stuff is underappreciated.

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

mei (mei), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I think of it more like framing a guy who's actually guilty. He really (really really) is great, but 95 percent of everything you read praising him gets the essence of why he's great wrong. Classic blind men/elephant scenario: You can describe the words, the music, the jokes, the viciousness, the blues and country and gospel and rock, you can even try to describe the voice although almost nobody ever gets that right...but trying to add it all up is a fool's game. It's like complexity theory, where once reach a certain density of interconnectivity, with information flowing in multiple, almost untrackable directions simultaneously, you get emergence: new things arise from the system that couldn't be predicted from any single element of the system. Dylan's like a whole complex system all unto himself.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

spittle just proved it

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been listening to the Dylan/Band basement tapes recently, and it's just quality "rock," loose and fun... I don't really listen to lyrics anyway.

andy, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

When's that Todd Haynes movie come out?

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the song he did for Wonder Boys, what's it called, "Things Have Changed." I like that one pretty good.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked when he did it at the Oscars except he wasn't really there, he was in Australia or something and he played live on the huge Oscar screen, and when they did closeups it was like the giant Bob head coming to visit the little people of Hollywood. With a riverboat gambler mustache.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, after thinking for a minute, I think the problem is that all the embarrassing, chin-stroking praise and analysis heaped upon '60s Dylan (and especially his "poetic" lyrics, blah blah) by olde-tyme critics (Dave Marsh et. al.) makes for an overrated air, and makes it understandable that people have a hard time just digging Dylan's rockin' music, as Andy suggests.

I bet if people (rock 'n' roll fans) heard "Planet Waves" with no preconceptions about **DYLAN,** most of them would have to love it!!

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I can certainly understand people being turned off to the whole Dylan thing, due to the overbaked Boomer mythos. (But they shouldn't be!)

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually if you listen to "The Times They Are A-Changin'" back to back with "Things Have Changed," you learn a lot about the difference between being 22 years old and 60 years old.

mr. man, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

well you can't overrate his influence, which is staggeringly huge.
maybe he's the joyce of rock?

pete s, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

62-69 -- no
70 on -- a rollercoast that sometimes dips so deep into the sewers you think it will never come back up again.

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

for some reason, when I was in my early 20s (as I was in 2000 when I listened to "Things Have Changed") I was really into songs about being over the hill or whatever. Personal apocalypses. Now I'm into songs about revenge.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

dylan's worst albums still aren't as bad as U2's worst albums, and dylan's discography is at least three times as large.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I'd say if he's "overrated" it's in the way that great artists tend to be -- past a point, their "greatness" gets taken as a given and cited as such by people who would be hard-pressed to actually tell you what's great about it. (See: Picasso, Louis Armstrong, Orson Welles, etc. etc.)

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

not that Dylan doesn't have his share of shitty songs though

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"Street Legal" is a great, underrated album. Total spiritual crisis album.

Mr. Man, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

not that Dylan doesn't have his share of shitty songs though

anyone with a career like that surely has to phone it in sometimes.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel for the Edge there because having that fucking glare in your eye can't have made him happy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

nevermind that that twit Bono is always around him

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, but the edge had his revenge against the boner ... like, the boner directs him, "edge, play the blues!" and edge cuts in with a guitar solo that is so NOT the blues.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

It's always bugged me that there's an overwhelming consensus, not just commonly held opinion but something teetering perilously close to universal FACT, that certain Dylan albums are AWFUL AWFUL SHIT SHIT SHIT -- and it's a consensus that's built mostly on reputation, guesswork, fear of '80s production values, fear of the earnestness of someone wrestling with his spirituality. I wonder how many people who "hate" Knocked Out Loaded have heard it at all, or more than that one time 17 years ago or whatever.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

my answer to this thread: no, he's not overrated. i don't especially LIKE much of his music or his musical legacy, but bob dylan isn't overrated.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

my Dad is a big Dylan fan and has most of the "good" stuff on vinyl, but had the "not-so-good" stuff on tape, so that's the Dylan I mostly listened to as a kid with my dorky walkman, and I sorta like it.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I think his legacy is underrated -- to this day I constantly hear little Dylanisms pop up all over the place (not just lyric steals but little melodic tendencies, phrasings, etc), and critics very seldom point these out, because they're too busy hearing the goddamn BEATLES in everything.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, isn't it interesting how critics and fans cream all over Bob Marley's spiritual quest (rightly so) yet shit all over Dylan's Christian conversion? Both were honest, both had a lot of intolerance built in (check out Rasta anti-semitism and major sexism), but they both informed some very passionate music.

Tab25, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Dylan is overrated in general. Though undoubtedly there are fans out there who overrate him. And I think he still tends to get off easy on certain things, since he's Dylan. For instance, his voice is really shot to hell these days, but that seldom gets more than a passing mention in his reviews. I'm one of the people who thinks that he used to have a great voice, but really, these days, it's so bad that it gets in the way. Especially when he still feels the need to write songs with like 20 verses.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I never hear anyone even mention Dylan's '80s albums, except for people who are Dylan fans... it seems like most people's casual knowledge of Dylan stops around Desire. (Maybe picking up briefly again for Empire Burlesque/Infidels... then jump-starting again with Time Out of Mind.)

morris pavilion (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I think his voice is better than ever. And I don't think his wicked guitar playing gets enough credit.
And he has nice eyes.

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

Self-Portrait might be the most underrated album of all time.

And I agree with Tab. Dylan as fundamentalist spitfire preacher is definitely underrated. That phase of his might be the most dramatic remove from an established image anyone's ever accomplished. It's interesting how Neil Young did his schizo albums right after, which maybe's another example of Dylan's huge sway over everybody else.

otto, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I like his voice these days -- it has a lot of character. One of my pet peeves is people who hate Dylan's singing (full-stop), because there's so much going on in his voice, always.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I own some Bob Dylan stuff, I hardly ever listen to it, and if I never hear him again I'm not gonna get all weepy. However I don't think he's overrated.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Character?! It sounds like his vocal cords have been through a cheese grater.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

a cheese grater from heaven!

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It sounds like his vocal cords have been through a cheese grater.

This is bad why?

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorta annoyed with the valuing of his voice as mystic signifier...but at base, I just don't like it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I listen to Dylan more than i listen to the Beatles and i think i always will.

NOT overrated -- and go ahead and strike up another vote for Self Portrait.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I think his voice is better than ever.

Yeah buddy. I've seen him several times over the past 17 years (first in '87, most recently in '02), and the most recent show was the best hands down. His singing was so sharp and (OK, in its own way) *rich*. But the "mystic signifier" thing is true, I guess, because I think loving Dylan's singing vs. appreciating him as a songwriter or "important influence" or whatever is kind of the dividing line on really digging him or not.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

mystic signifier

I wouldn't call it that. I just think his delivery is really funny! He has a great sense of comedic timing (even when he's being serious) and almost everything he sings is pregnant with some kind of... I don't wanna say "meaning," it's more like "presence of mind." Like you know he wrote the line to be sung a certain way and the fun of getting to sing it justifies the labor of writing it.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it was John Lennon who said you don't need to hear Dylan's words, just the way he sings them.

I mean, I'd put him with Sinatra and Ella and Billie and ... not many others, maybe Elvis? Bing? Howlin' Wolf? Hank Williams? ... as great American singers of the recorded era.

But then, that's the kind of statement that makes people say he's overrated. Can't win.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Like you know he wrote the line to be sung a certain way and the fun of getting to sing it justifies the labor of writing it.

And this is important because so many "clever" singer-songwriters have no idea how to emote comedically and their jokes just don't translate well to being sung.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Reminds that somehow I came across this the other day?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkP4G1LzNI

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:15 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

Veeps will present Bob Dylan in an exclusive broadcast performance, Shadow Kingdom, which will showcase the artist in an intimate setting as he presents renditions of songs from his extensive body of work created especially for this event.
Tickets are on sale now for his show on Sunday, July 18 at BobDylan.veeps.com.

dow, Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:54 (one month ago) link

an intimate setting

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 June 2021 12:55 (one month ago) link

"Purchase your tickets for this virtual performance below. “Shadow Kingdom” will remain available to view until 11:59PM PT on July 20, 2021."

I wonder if we can buy tickets AFTER the show and watch it in that two-day window, i.e. wait for fans to say whether it was a good or less-than-good show.

birdistheword, Thursday, 17 June 2021 16:52 (one month ago) link

if i know anything about bob dylan fans, there is *not* going to be a consensus on that

tylerw, Thursday, 17 June 2021 16:56 (one month ago) link

Hah, good point!

My favorite take from someone I know who attended Bob Dylan shows throughout his life: "I've seen him a dozen times. One of them was one of the greatest shows I've EVER seen...and for the rest of them, he was fucking terrible."

birdistheword, Thursday, 17 June 2021 18:55 (one month ago) link

lol the first time I saw him (around 2010) I thought he was incredible. I talked to someone else later who was at the same show; they were amazed I enjoyed it, they thought his voice was awful lol

Second time in 2014 I had a closer seat and it was just so overwhelming and awesome that I barely remember individual moments. Totally sober at the time!

brimstead, Thursday, 17 June 2021 18:59 (one month ago) link

One of the few shows I've ever seen that put me to sleep, back when he had two fiddle players. At least I got to see Merle Haggard open up. Other times I've seen him he was absolutely great. After the time I fell asleep I kind of swore him off, but I know someone that saw him the last time he came through town and said it was pretty solid, especially when he did the crooner stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:06 (one month ago) link

The best shows I've seen him do were the two that happened in the last few years, the first one opening for Mavis Staples (who was great). I think I know why - in both cases, he played the same exact setlist for the entire leg of the tour, so by the time I saw him, it was like a smooth, running machine where there was no guesswork. (And even two years apart, both shows I saw still had a LOT of overlap in the setlist, maybe 3/4.) Worst show was unfortunately the one time I was close-up, like in the GA section and close to the edge of the stage. The excitement of being that close really wears off when he's not only messing up the words but doing it so bad that someone in the band reacts in horror.

FWIW, once I became very familiar with Charley Patton, it kind of struck me that Dylan's approach to performing comes from him, especially since Dylan has name-checked him quite a few times in the few interviews he's given in his later years. Read Robert Palmer's classic Deep Blues where he discusses how one of Patton's own peers complained that they couldn't understand Patton - once you make that connection, a lot of the same elements apply, where singing becomes more about rhythmic vocalizing rather than enunciating words. On the one hand, that sounds odd when it's artist who made his name with songwriting, especially the lyrics, but it also makes perfect sense given his connection (especially the musical elements of his songs) to traditional folk music, which also encompasses deep Mississippi blues (and many other things, to be fair).

birdistheword, Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:19 (one month ago) link

Also, it looks like my second paragraph may conflict with the anecdote about the worst show I ever saw, but even when Dylan's enunciation isn't crystal clear, it's not the same as forgetting the words altogether. In that show I mentioned, he got clearly forgot an entire line when he got ready to sing, drew a blank, and then very late in that space where the line should be, he dropped a random glob of gibberish like it was a piece of food falling out of his mouth. That ain't Patton.

birdistheword, Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:24 (one month ago) link

*he clearly forgot

birdistheword, Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:25 (one month ago) link

On the one hand, that sounds odd when it's artist who made his name with songwriting, especially the lyrics, but it also makes perfect sense

Not odd at all, imo. Dylan's lyrics have always prized rhythm and sound over meaning or the words themselves.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:36 (one month ago) link

The first time I saw him was on a late 70s tour that started (in Japan?) with pix of him in makeup, careful coiff, white scarf,Neil Diamond-Elivs-type glittery outfit, and stage patter: "We;;, as my friend Jerry Garcia says, I must be getting down the road." in Birmingham, his recombinat orchestra swarmed the stage, and then he came out kind of hunched over, blinking, hair flattened on one side, in what looked like a wrinkled Cisco Kind outfit (little black jacket and matching pants, w white fringe and brocade around the inset jewelry, also dirty white tennis shoes (in the 80s, I had a table at a record show across from a dealer who kept showiing excerpts from that whole tour, always with the same outfit clearly visible, unless he had 20 of 'em).
All the performers were standing in small groups, and he would beckon over either a whole subset, maybe put two or more of those together, or some from combo A, some from B, maybe order off-menu from the wings as well, like a guy whom he introduced as having played sax on some famous record of the early 60s or 50s, new providing flute for a verra nice trio "Blowin' In The Wind." Then a pre-speed metal big band "Masters of War." The female black gospel-style group sang all of "Rainy Day Women." I don't remember his own voice that well, but wotta showman.

dow, Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:51 (one month ago) link

Sscond time I saw him was in the early 90s, also in North Alabama, this time at Oak Mountain (now or more recently Verizon) Ampitheater. Smaller group, very hot, the Never-Ending Tour band of that era, natch. Vocals were mostly low-key, okay, main thing with him was excellent guitar, rocking out and fingerpicking the acoustica. "Watchtower" was diabolical, galloping up and then by, fading out, then coming back, the Roadrunner bee-beep, screwing with Wile E. Coyote and the folks in the Tower and the Ampitheater too. Eventually the middle of something else swallowed it along the way to "Highway 61," with steel (and maybe slide) guitar as very extended siren call.

dow, Thursday, 17 June 2021 22:59 (one month ago) link

"Well, as my friend Jerry" etc that should be

dow, Thursday, 17 June 2021 23:02 (one month ago) link

There's some kind of new doc out today: https://www.sonypictures.com/movies/bobdylanoddsandends

search term: buttrock (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 23:14 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Has anyone watched the Shadow Kingdom thing? Just learned that Buck Meek of Big Thief was in his band, which is cool.

(apparently the answer to birdistheword’s question below is “yes”; it’s still available to watch for 2 days. I can see a live performance being handled that way, but a concert film? if I pay $25 to watch something on a computer screen, I’d like at least to “own” it and be able to rewatch it at my leisure…)

I wonder if we can buy tickets AFTER the show and watch it in that two-day window, i.e. wait for fans to say whether it was a good or less-than-good show.

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Sunday, 18 July 2021 23:21 (one week ago) link

Nice to see "What Was It You Wanted?" on the Shadow Kingdom setlist.

... (Eazy), Monday, 19 July 2021 00:46 (one week ago) link

watched it, really really great. he's singing so we'll, band was fantastic. definitely odd almost twin peaks staging, really worked well overall

Yeah, I could have sworn I saw someone post that this band and some of their versions are better than any previous versions, period. Did I hear that Dylan played some guitar again, or did I misread?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 July 2021 11:49 (one week ago) link

He did a bit, sometimes played but sometimes just hanging around his neck, mostly just singing without guitar

His voice is really good, the version of "Forever Young" was really something

I guess not touring for the last year or so has helped Dylan's voice

Ward Fowler, Monday, 19 July 2021 13:14 (one week ago) link

It was really good, Dylan was in great voice and the band, arrangements, and song selections were all great. It was a little short, but the show's subtitle "the Early Songs of Bob Dylan" has me hoping there will be another installment

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 19 July 2021 13:49 (one week ago) link

his vocals have actually been in great shape the past couple years — seems like those sinatra records gave him a new approach that was less growl / bark.

Thought Shadow Kingdom was great, totally unique arrangements ... maybe the settings were occasionally a little cornball, but it was fun nonetheless. Some mystery about what exactly was going on — the band (at least the electric guitarist) was definitely miming, he didn't match up with what was being played. Not sure if they were all playing along to pre-recorded tracks or if there were overdubs etc.

tylerw, Monday, 19 July 2021 14:50 (one week ago) link

I can't find the tweet now, but I saw someone mentioning that there was one song where Bob fumbled the lyrics a little at the start (and it was left in), but that it appeared to be dubbed in vocals later on in the same song. I haven't watched this yet (probably won't tbh, given all that I have to do in the next few days).

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:54 (one week ago) link

yes definitely noticed that, esp the guitarist on acoustic was doing stuff that wasn't in the track

I appreciate this approach

In his new WTF interview, Rick Rubin tells a story where Bob Dylan, George Harrison, and Tom Petty are writing a Traveling Wilburys' song together. Harrison leaves for a minute, and Dylan leans over to Petty and whispers, completely seriously, "You know, he was in the Beatles."

— Luke Epplin (@LukeEpplin) July 19, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 July 2021 16:23 (one week ago) link

^That belongs in the "great Dylan stories" thread

My dad hooked me up with his username/pw for the Shadow Kingdom stream... I agree with the above posts, both Dylan and his band sound great!

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Monday, 19 July 2021 16:29 (one week ago) link

Hey look it's TylerW in the post Shadow Kingdom livestream!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxL7xKQ7VyM

StanM, Monday, 19 July 2021 17:33 (one week ago) link

One of the two EPs is named "Max Ice"... I'm gonna assume that's a Dylan pseudonym (like "Jack Frost").

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Monday, 19 July 2021 17:39 (one week ago) link

(EPs = Executive Producers. watchin' the credits roll)

aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Monday, 19 July 2021 17:40 (one week ago) link

watching it now, he makes a lot of significant lyric changes to "When I Paint My Masterpiece"

Still going toward his masterpiece!
completely seriously B-but can we be completely sure of that, or anything? Bob Dylan the Original Andy Kaufman

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Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Monday, 19 July 2021 22:16 (one week ago) link

"All the cold beer cans in the sun...

Mark G, Monday, 19 July 2021 23:05 (one week ago) link

Wonder if this is not unlike Paul Simon’s last album, re-recording songs for posterity and to fix details (like lyrics).

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 00:05 (one week ago) link

Part 1 of the livestream is on youtube now but I can't imagine it will stay up for long, part 2 has already been pulled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJXDZyITIog

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 12:28 (one week ago) link

he sounds good!

is the audience vaccinated

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 12:45 (one week ago) link

this is good as hell

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 13:29 (one week ago) link

xp I raised that q to my dad (why is only the band masked?) – he thinks it’s for Dylan-y artistic reasons, not safety.

Max Ice (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 13:59 (one week ago) link

watching again, "Forever Young" is so gorgeous, goosebumps

video unavailable, ugh

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 14:32 (one week ago) link

My hope is that there is indeed another tranche of these songs (as theorized above), and that the whole thing is released as an album.

Max Ice (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 14:35 (one week ago) link

Yes, I hope this is going to be properly released at some point, like Nick Cave's "streaming only" Alexandra Palace solo show that ended up as a regular release after a few months.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 18:04 (one week ago) link

stay tuned

Just like the Nick Cave thing, so much obvious effort and expense went into to producing it that I would be shocked* if it wasn't released as an able

*at this point I would like to invoke the Bob Dylan Caveat Clause being that I would in no way shape or form be shocked if it was never released because Dylan is going to Dylan

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 19:16 (one week ago) link

"album"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 19:17 (one week ago) link

They've extended Shadow Kingdom for a week.

What's the limit on streaming? If I buy a ticket, can I stream it only once, or do I have a window (like 24 hours) and an IP address limit where I can stream it multiple times?

birdistheword, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 18:06 (one week ago) link

I've streamed it several times, using login/pw that originated on my dad's computer.

Max Ice (morrisp), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 18:08 (one week ago) link

Got it. Thanks morrisp

birdistheword, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 18:19 (one week ago) link


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