ECM: C/D, S&D

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Manfred Eicher's retirement home for clapped-out fusioneers, where ScandBland new-age is the only game in town and every bloody record somehow manages to sounds the same (whether its bandoneon, sax or 12-string acoustic) and every cover is an Athena knock-off.

Or a label with an admirably consistent aesthetic, constantly evolving and innovating, serenity served up in audiophilic nuggets, wrapped in beautiful sleeves.

Peaks? Troughs? Feel free to included ECM New Series and (if you're Mark S) tell us how ECM fell so far from favour with The Wire...

Judging by the listening list at the back of 'Nothing', Paul Morley's a bit of a fan.

Michael Jones, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm surprised they haven't signed Sigur Ros.

dave q, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

HUGE dud: Jan Garbarek (or "Janny G" as he's often nicknamed on the ECM list). Smooooth!

Classics: Jarrett's maniacal virtuoso piano-bashing, Charlie Haden (esp. the "Ornette's band without Ornette" Old and New Dreams), Puntin/Gunnarsdottir, Abercrombie (esp. Gateway), Rypdal, Surman. I can't say I have any ambition to investigate the whole catalogue (one Stephan Micus album is enough, thanks), but there's more to ECM than proto-new-age.

Andrew Norman, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

are you the same Andrew Norman that used to do reviews of Wurlitzer Jukebox 7"s?

gareth, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taking sides - Keith Jarrett v. Keith Emerson

dave q, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Morley's always been a Jarrett fan. Search: my JanG wire review which kicked off w. a discussion of Noggin the Nog!!

Speaking as one who has now contributed for (tho not to) VERY NEARLY 200 ISSUES K- BLIMEY, I think Wire attitude to ECM has ALWAYS been very ambivalent. R.Cook was probably super-diplomatic — sometimes his genius, sometimes his crime — but the sense was that their success as a label actually somewhat occluded bettah-favoured Euro- indies like eg Black Saint or hat HUT...

mark s, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just once I'd like to limit Eicher to using ONE ambient mic in the studio and see what would happen.

dave q, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't have that much on ECM. But the Keith Jarrett and Dave Holland albums I have are nice.

Josh, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

They put out Arvo Part recordings, that's good enough for me.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classics: The Keith Jarrett, Dave Holland, and Art Ensemble of Chicago ('Nice Guys' especially, seems like a rather weird fit for ECM) records that they have put out. I wouldn't mind checking out some of their Jack deJohnette or old John Abercrombie stuff either.

Duds: Most of the mannered and Third Stream records that constitute the so-called "ECM sound" (not like I've listened extensively to them, though).

Jordan, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Conclusive case for the prosecution.

Compare and contrast "Song for Someone" by the Kenny Wheeler big band on Incus with "Music for Large and Small Ensembles" by more or less the same line-up on ECM. The latter sounds like all the life has been bled out of it.

Most atypical, and therefore best, ECM release: "Afternoon of a Georgia Fawn" by Marion Brown; the missing link between "Bitches Brew" and Braxton.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Classic: As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 12 January 2003 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Jack DeJohnette Special Edition with Blythe and Murray. Just listened to it a couple of days ago. Fantastic album.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 12 January 2003 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone heard julian priester's 'love, love'? saw it kicking about in a rec shop, know it has a reputation, imagine it is hideous

zemko (bob), Sunday, 12 January 2003 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

(i like sextant obv)

zemko (bob), Sunday, 12 January 2003 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I just saw a Meredith Monk record ("Dolemn music"?) on ECM used for three bucks. Should I run back and get it?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 13 January 2003 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes you should.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 13 January 2003 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

C: Marion Brown 'Afternoon of a Georgia Faun', Philipp Wachsmann/Paul Lytton 'Some Other Season', both Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble dics, and Robin Williamson's 'The Seed-at-Zero'.

the first two are as beautiful as abstract music ever gets. the Parker discs are remarkable examples of e-a improv, provided that you can get past Eicher's inappropriately spacious production. and Williamson's tribute to Dylan Thomas is rather atypical, both for the musician and for ECM, with nary a hint of ISB's psychotropic excess (or Eicher's cathedral-ceiling echo) to be heard in its solemn, skeletal settings of Thomas' poems.

summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Monday, 13 January 2003 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Both Love, Love and Dolmen Music are urgent and key. Also the Paris Concert by Circle (Braxton, Corea, Holland, Altschul). And of course ECM distribute WattWorks in Europe, i.e. all the Carla Bley/Michael Mantler stuff.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 January 2003 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to pick up a copy of Doleman Music myself. That sounds like a good buy. (I forgot that was on ECM.) There's also some Steve Reich on ECM, but some of it might be superseded by more current recordings. (I still haven't heard the new recording of Tehilim.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 13 January 2003 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the legendary "first 30" releases (cat. nos. 1001-1030) which some jazzheads pontificated about on rec.music.jazz years ago. the aforementioned "georgia faun" by marion brown is part of this group, and there are some surprisingly dense, iconoclast euro-free titles by artists who later used ECM as a nice soft pillow to lay down upon.

the hal russell NRG ensemble "the hal russell story".

there are a few others but it's too early and I haven't cared enough about jazz lately to remember.

mosurock (mosurock), Monday, 13 January 2003 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

have always been into keith jarrett "standards vol 1" (awsome cover of "god bless the child") and "koln concert".

other good stuff includes gateway, feat. john abercrombie (sp?) who is somewhat similar to bill frisell's at points. also the early, pre-lame, pre-midi pat metheney.

marcg (marcg), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I've enjoyed: Circle, Paris-Concert; Metheny, Bright Size Life and Watercolors; Dave Holland, Conference of the Birds and Extensions; Chick Corea and Gary Burton, Crystal Silence; Eberhard Weber, Silent Feet, Little Movements, Yellow Fields, and The Colours of Chloe; Art Ensemble of Chicago, Urban Bushmen; Carla Bley, Night-Glo; the Gateway album; Marc Johnson, Bass Desires; and lots of other stuff. I've been disappointed by: Dave Holland, Life Cycle; Carla Bley, Heavy Heart; Eberhard Weber, Fluid Rustle; most of Jan Garbarek's stuff, especially that wildly misconceived album with the Hilliard Ensemble.

Phil (phil), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

One of these days I'll figure out why my line breaks keep disappearing.

Phil (phil), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I stopped buying Garbarek albums about ten years ago. But the late released live Personal Mountain with Keith Jarrett is a keeper. Nude Ants from the same time is another must. His tenor sax sound is something special. Very clear and fjordian. But thee ECM release to own is Keith Jarrett's Sun Bear Concerts. The summit of Jarrett's solo improvisations. Lots of ecstatic moaning, lots of free jazz, lots of climaxes, lots of incredible beauty. Ten records.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, Personal Mountains was the name of the Jarrett/Garbarek album.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...
Revive, if you please.

ECM: Found huddled outside a Starbucks beneath the much-maligned umbrella of "NPR Music," or a still-relevant home to transcendent, spacious music with a minimum of fuss? Are they only as good as their classic back-catalogue? Does the New Series wave of innocuous and "tasteful" artistry leave a bad taste in your mouth (or no taste whatsoever)?

IMHO, their Steve Reich issues are some of the finest Reich extant, including the definitive renditions of Music for 18 Musicians, Violin Phase, Octet, etc. I love Anouar Brahem, enjoy Tomasz Stanko, and admire their volume of Silvestrov/Shevchenko's Silent Songs.

That said, I'm not sold on 100% (or even 75%) of what I hear on ECM, but it's one of the few labels that I routinely give the benefit of the doubt if I'm on the fence about wasting $20 from time to time. I'm entirely in favor of their leanings towards artsy European starkness, but I wish Manfred Eicher would learn to get by on less reverb.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:56 (sixteen years ago) link

wow, i've never seen an ecm record for more than 8$

team jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I've been really liking the four Gary Burton ECM albums that I have picked up in the past few months: "Passengers", "Dreams So Real", "The New Quartet" and "Ring".

I have also been suprised how much parts of Eberhardt Weber albums from the 70s sound like Tortoise.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking as one who has now contributed for (tho not to) VERY NEARLY 200 ISSUES K- BLIMEY, I think Wire attitude to ECM has ALWAYS been very ambivalent. R.Cook was probably super-diplomatic — sometimes his genius, sometimes his crime — but the sense was that their success as a label actually somewhat occluded bettah-favoured Euro- indies like eg Black Saint or hat HUT...

I think that ECM's huge advertising budget may have been a contributory factor to that particular "ambivalence."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:37 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

The NY Times and a Seattle paper love the new ECM label album Arco Iris from Moroccan vocalist Amina Alaoui who performs old Andalusian compositions here. I haven't heard it but I am intrigued. Ilxer Sanpaku liked the Jon Balke & Amina Alaoui album Siwan that came out on ECM a year or 2 back.

I also just mentioned it here:
Arabic music (not elsewhere classified)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

the other ECM thread

ECM s/d.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 July 2011 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

Posted this on the Arabic music thread but its an ECM label album

Some of the Amina Alaoui album is a little too samey--melancholy nearly fado-like vocals and minimalist flamenco guitar strumming, but on other cuts her voice is exquisite and the instrumental work just lively enough.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:12 PM

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 July 2011 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

six years pass...

Is there a comprehensive digital repository for 70s ECM gubbins? Preferably not streaming.

The label has a page on Bandcamp but it's barely a handful of relatively recent releases so far, AFAICT.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 15:10 (five years ago) link

Boringly I think iTunes/Amazon are the most reliable. Qobuz have some lossless stuff but it gets pretty pricey: http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/search?q=ecm&i=boutique&f%5Blabel%5D=ECM+Records#results

ECM stuff rarely turns up on streaming services anyway, the old album shows up for a short while on Apple Music and then disappears again.

I'd definitely pay for some sort of digital ECM subscription, either via Bandcamp or Drip or something - all new releases + curated back catalogue selections.

bamboohouses, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:02 (five years ago) link

there's tons that never made it to digital in the first place, right?

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:28 (five years ago) link

Pandora, oddly enough, has a decent ECM catalog.

Eazy, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 18:59 (five years ago) link

So ECM appears to have popped up on Spotify. So that's nice. Can't find Julian Priester, but Benny Maupin is there, and AEOC.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 10 November 2017 16:47 (five years ago) link

Only one AEOC album so far - Tribute To Lester. None of their 80s stuff yet.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:03 (five years ago) link

Urban Bushmen is there, too.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:30 (five years ago) link

And Full Force!

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:32 (five years ago) link

Not in the US, at least not yet.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:33 (five years ago) link

Well whaddya know, loads of ECM stuff on Apple Music in the UK now too. Hooray!

bamboohouses, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:48 (five years ago) link

I said preferably NOT streaming damnit, Manfred.

Noel Emits, Friday, 10 November 2017 18:04 (five years ago) link

I wish someone would do an exploratory ECM back catalog blog like the Kranky one a from few years back.

MaresNest, Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:12 (five years ago) link

US Spotify now has Nice Guys, Urban Bushmen, and The Third Decade up, as well as Lester Bowie's All The Magic!/The One and Only and Works, and Roscoe Mitchell's Nine to Get Ready, Composition/Improvisation Nos. 1, 2 & 3, Far Side and Bells For the South Side.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 12 November 2017 15:20 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

God dammit, Eberhard Weber's early records are so beautiful, I've had a couple kicking around for years but never afforded them the proper attention, what a fool.

The Colours Of Chloë might just be the most ECM-y record of all.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 23:37 (five years ago) link

good call, I was just thinking of something to stream right now.

calzino, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 23:45 (five years ago) link

I wonder if Joni was paying attention, some of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is very reminiscent of Weber's music.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 November 2017 23:49 (five years ago) link

I started this rather unsuccessful topic some while back.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 00:18 (five years ago) link

That Ezra Feinberg album is great.

Just listened, fucking awesome, thanks. Have you ever heard Ravi Shankar's live thing from the Concert for Bangladesh? Similar vibe to Eternity.

God, this album is so good. Not heard that particular Shankar - will check it out for sure.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 09:52 (one year ago) link

Wow, thanks for that Jamie (and Chinaski), the Feinberg album really is great!

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 09:59 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Tibbetts' Northern Song keeps getting played at our residence, please advise as to how I can keep these low-key heady vibes going please, in the ECm vein...

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 29 March 2021 15:57 (one year ago) link

more tibbetts.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 29 March 2021 16:46 (one year ago) link

Big Map Ideas is one i really like from him

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 29 March 2021 16:54 (one year ago) link

yes, also very mellow in the vein of northern song. his two more recent ones (natural causes and life of) are probably the most aurally similar to northern song.

but nothing tops northern song.

for similarly sparse ecm / windham hill vibes, i like—

michael hedges — breakfast in the field
william ackerman — it takes a year

i also think one could put together a playlist of 70s leo kottke deep cuts that may be relevant. i might do that later, actually.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 29 March 2021 17:05 (one year ago) link

Excited for the forthcoming Vijay Iyer with Linda May Hahn Oh and Tyshawn Sorey. Iyer's last ECM was very good indeed.

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Monday, 29 March 2021 18:53 (one year ago) link

Swimming with a Hole in My Body (such an oddly mysterious title) is my fave Connors release for ECM.

― pomenitul, Friday, July 31, 2020 9:05 AM (seven months ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is great and fits table's criteria

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:17 (one year ago) link

xp

quite the trio is that, almost guaranteed to be a+. Hafez Modirzadeh's Facets is probably my fave album of the year so far but still it will be nice to hear Sorey back behind a drum kit again.

calzino, Monday, 29 March 2021 19:25 (one year ago) link

love Facets, too. Thanks all.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:31 (one year ago) link

I got to see the Iyer/Oh/Sorey trio at the Jazz Standard about a month before lockdown, playing music from this upcoming album. Based on that and the tracks I've already heard, it's gonna be a pretty forceful album. Looking forward to it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 29 March 2021 22:07 (one year ago) link

Facets is stunning - love Modirzadeh's sound world.

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 11:01 (one year ago) link

Thanks for the recs yesterday, though as much as I love the Connors and Hedges, it's the full instrumental treatment of Northern Song that appeals most to me—

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 15:32 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

some purist was probably quite ruffled at the time, but this is hittin like holy shit this morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmRm8UYTeNw

(gary burton — "las vegas tango")

also, ya i know this isn't on ecm, but either i'm bad at the search function or there isn't a currently existing gary burton topic (!!??!?!).

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:52 (one year ago) link

There was a post two days ago on the thread entitled "jazz" about Gary Burton reissues.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:14 (one year ago) link

yeah, i saw that. it's what prompted my recent dive back into his catalogue.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:17 (one year ago) link

Vijay Iyer's tenure as Pitchfork's favorite jazz artist continues. Long may he reign.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:16 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

This record is really lovely, has heavy ECM vibes on it
https://schlarb.bandcamp.com/album/time-no-changes

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 June 2021 16:16 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

This record moves between WH-ECM-Takoma vibes. Really beautiful record from a promising young musician.

https://yasminwilliams.bandcamp.com/album/urban-driftwood

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 December 2021 17:29 (eleven months ago) link

six months pass...

very nice stock ecm anti-smooth post-bop sounds on dawn by double image from 1979. a quartet fronted by two marimba players! if you like ecm but hate pianos, horns, AND guitars, well friend, do i have recommendation for you. it's actually really good though and worth hearing. especially if you like that melodic mallet sound. kind of leans more towards that introspective thing you expect from ecm, but still some really pretty stuff. the tunes take twists and turns with some passages of absolutely wondrous harmonic conversations between the two ... uh, marimberers? marimbists? marimbobo honkers?

four weeks pass...

The princely Andrew Male did a nice ECM set at Spiritland a couple of weeks ago. Lots new to me: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5cImqc3DCXMyIzJj9oLxwe?si=0d2c8ba34f4e4402

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 25 July 2022 17:51 (four months ago) link

He played records rather than Spotify, obviously.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 25 July 2022 17:52 (four months ago) link

Ooh, I'd love to hear a set like this

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 25 July 2022 17:59 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Digging through the ECM back catalogue has been a welcome relief to my depression at the moment. There's something so uplifting and transcendent about the ECM sound at its best. Doctors should seriously consider prescribing this stuff imo.

Really enjoying The Colours of Chlöe right now. Eberhard Weber really couldn't put a foot wrong during his best run in the '70s.

The Ghost Club, Friday, 14 October 2022 06:01 (one month ago) link

Barre Phillips • Mountainscapes

This is a great album.

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Friday, 14 October 2022 07:54 (one month ago) link

xp

It's really true, that's exactly what got me through the whole lockdown period in the early days of the pandemic (well that and a healthy amount of whiskey), and yes, The Colours of Chlöe got a lot of play during that time.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 14 October 2022 13:05 (one month ago) link

Well I’ve fallen, hard. Just ordered a stack of ECM CDs from Discogs and can't wait for them to arrive:

Keith Jarrett - The Survivors' Suite
Steve Kuhn - Trance
Mike Nock - Ondas
Barre Phillips - Mountainscapes
John Surman - Withholding Pattern
Steve Tibbets - Northern Song
Edward Vesala - Nan Madol
Eberhard Weber - The Colours of Chlöe
Eberhard Weber/Colours - Silent Feet

Guess I'm very into the more atmospheric side of the sound. Need to get some more guitar stuff too... John Abercrombie and David Torn are next on the wishlist.

The Ghost Club, Monday, 17 October 2022 03:00 (one month ago) link

As far as guitar stuff goes, I really got into Ralph Towner's various ECM recordings.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 17 October 2022 04:42 (one month ago) link

Thanks for the recommendation! Any particular place I should start wth Towner?

The Ghost Club, Monday, 17 October 2022 05:10 (one month ago) link

Solstice is my favorite, especially since it features Eberhard Weber. He also has some nice duet albums like Sargasso Sea with John Abercrombie and Matchbook with Gary Burton.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 17 October 2022 05:31 (one month ago) link

That's a great ECM haul, Ghost Club. My favorite guitarist on ECM is Terje Rypdal. All of his 70s records are worth checking out, but I'd prioritize What Comes After (which I hear as an album-length exploration of the sonic world established by Miles Davis on "Yesternow") and Descendre (beautifully spaced-out and synth-heavy masterpiece; some passages are almost Floydian, though this is more futuristic than anything Pink Floyd ever did).

J. Sam, Monday, 17 October 2022 13:27 (one month ago) link

I've listened to a few Rypdal records, very intriguing but he can get a little abstract for me. His classical/jazz crossover pieces, like the title track of Whenever I Seem To Be Far Away, are exceptional.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 17 October 2022 14:53 (one month ago) link

Ghost club let us know what you think of Tibbetts he is IMO a genre unto himself

realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Friday, 21 October 2022 13:06 (one month ago) link

Thanks for all the recommendations! I really liked Sargasso Sea, but I still need to spend more time with Solstice.

Terje Rypdal is an interesting artist. He's incredibly versatile wth his sound, so I find him hard to pin down. I really enjoyed Descendre and his album with Miroslav Vitous and Jack DeJohnette. Spot on that there's Floydian moments, J. Sam, but very much more abstract. I need to check out What Comes After next.

Steve Tibbets, oh my! Northern Song is such a journey. The atmosphere he evokes begs solitude and a darkened room. I don't mean to slight it at all when I say it's very meditative and restorative. Parts of it sound like Fahey on opioids, which I very much like.

The Ghost Club, Friday, 21 October 2022 16:59 (one month ago) link

Steve Tibbets more recent 'Life Of' is fantastic - good article on it here: https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2019/03/04/deep-into-steve-tibbetts-life-of/

and a cool page on his own site i just spotted: https://stevetibbetts.com/my-ecm/

all been mentioned above, but Connors' 'Swimming with a Hole in My Body' and Metheny 'As Falls Wichita...' and David Darling 'Cycles' are my go-to ecm faves.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:08 (one month ago) link

I recently purchased a used vinyl copy of Terje Rypdal's Chaser, which is harder-edged power trio stuff, and I feel compelled to c + p this RYM review of it since I found it amusingly OTT for an ECM record.

"SIDE 1: AMBIGUITY - CRANK
ONCE UPON A TIME - HEROIN
GEYSIR - ANGEL DUST
A CLOSER LOOK - COLUMBIAN RED BUD
SIDE 2: ORNEN - MAI TAI'S
CHASER - JACK DANIELS
TRANSITION - WHITE WINE
IMAGI - BLOTTER ACID
JEFF BECK & STEVE VAI ARE TERJE'S LITTLE BITCHES!!THIS IS AVANT GARDE HEAY METAL JAZZ ROCK FUSION ORGASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!CRANK IT AND SPANK IT!!"

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:17 (one month ago) link

see thats the sort of thing i want to see on RYM, not a thousand little wannabe fantano's telling me about angular riffs and polyrhythms

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:21 (one month ago) link

Now I want a record filled with polyriffs and angular rhythms.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:29 (one month ago) link

i'm not really that into ecm. what you might call beat digger culture / reissue culture / balearic dj culture has certainly given it a boost, and i totally get the urge to reevaluate genres like smooth jazz, fusion and new age. seems like ecm sits comfortably at the intersection of those, they put out a million records so you can always find something in decent shape, plus they have a clean and minimal aesthetic that avoids being clinical by incorporating nature, fits nicely with the clean nature-incorporating minimal aesthetic in favor w/ hip boutiques, trendy record stores and instagrammers

anyway even though i find the label boring in general, i think everyone should check out john abercrombie / dabve holland / jack dejohnette "gateway" and abercrombie / jan hammer / dejohnette "timeless". the covers look as sedate as anything else on ecm, but it's pure jazz-rock fusion shredding, maybe comparable to mahavishnu orchestra but less triumphant in mood, instead it has a more abstracted, cerebral vibe that reminds me of certain mwandishi stuff ("crossings" maybe)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QDr-atV0Nw

the late great, Friday, 21 October 2022 17:52 (one month ago) link

well shit, I have to check out this one

xxp

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 21 October 2022 17:55 (one month ago) link

it's not a surprise to me that Michael Mann is into Terje Rypdal. A lot of his sound is perfectly in line with noirish existential moodiness, in the best sense.

omar little, Friday, 21 October 2022 17:56 (one month ago) link

abercrombie / jan hammer / dejohnette "timeless"

I adore the title track to this but it's probably the least "shready" and most ECMesque thing on the record.

I'm a bit like Goldilocks when it comes to ECM releases; I like a few tracks on each but much of the rest I find either too astringent or too smooth. I've listened to about 40 and maybe my favourites are Bennie Maupin's Jewel in the Lotus and the Annette Peacock record.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 21 October 2022 19:06 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

xps speaking of Gateway and Timeless, my favorite recent ECM discovery is Colin Walcott's Cloud Dance which features John Abercrombie, Jack DeJohnette, and Dave Holland. So it's basically a Gateway record with Walcott as leader on sitar and tabla. Pensively tripped-out space fusion with a "world music" flavor, all done as tastefully as possible. A proper journey through space and time.

Abercrombie's Timeless is an album I want to like more than I do, mainly because I'm not a huge fan timbrally of the organ Jan Hammer uses on it. I get ELP vibes, which is not what I'm looking for on an ECM record. But I can tolerate it for Abercrombie's shredding, and the synths and piano are cool. Also the title track is a total masterpiece.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 02:12 (one week ago) link

and a cool page on his own site i just spotted: https://stevetibbetts.com/my-ecm

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, October 21, 2022 10:08 AM

a month late, but that's a swell link. thank you for sharing.

here's the playlist btw.

ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 03:00 (one week ago) link

there are a grip is sweet late 70s early 80s Ebehard Weber shows on youtube!!

this one it tite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP8_STIT0lE

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 07:16 (one week ago) link

My difficult in appreciating <i>Timeless</i> is John Abercrombie’s slightly disparaging view of the 1970s fusion portion of his career. This style seemed to be a problem that he only solved at the end of the decade with his more traditional quartet.

Melomane, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 09:29 (one week ago) link

xp that's an amazing set, thanks for posting! The Later That Evening band is one of his best combos. I'm also psyched to hear the Colours quartet live in San Francisco 1979.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 18:29 (one week ago) link

that SF show is off the chain unbelievable

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:43 (one week ago) link

haven't heard Cloud Dance yet, but I recently fell under the spell of Walcott's Grazing Dreams from around the same time, which has Abercrombie, Don Cherry, Palle Danielsson, etc on it. really amazing, surprised I hadn't heard it, since i love those Codona records ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:46 (one week ago) link

saw an amazing Jan Garbarek group show last week at London Jazz Festival - Rainer Brüninghaus on piano (features on all those Eberhard W. lps i love) and Trilok Gurtu on drums/percussion/tons of other things - he in particular being one of the most mindblowing musicians i've ever seen...

perfect sound, 2 hours of non stop goodness. catch them if you can.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:13 (one week ago) link


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