― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:04 (twenty years ago) link
I'm not sure agree with the exclusion of pleasure thing either. It's not a happy-happy-joy-joy record but there's more emotional drive to it than the bludgeoning mess of the last record.
― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link
anyway, yeah, i don't think it's a perfect record by any means and certainly not even a top 10 release this year (maybe 2 or 3 months ago it might have been, when there were just fewer records period.) but i think everyone is wrong about it being "bad dancehall" becuz it's NOT REAL DANCEHALL. (didn't you yrself thomas use the "does PiL get slammed for not being real dub, then?" argument on ilm not too long ago?) it's an art-rock appropriation of "third-world rhythms", plain and simple, and should be judged accordingly. i think it succeeds pretty well on those merits, while never hitting the heighs of metal box or remain in light or whatever "classic" you want to throw around. (oddly enuff the spoken tracks with roger robinson remind me oddly of the last 1/3 of remain in light.) certain a damn sight better than kid606's latest "cut ups".
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 17:02 (twenty years ago) link
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
certain a damn sight better than kid606's latest "cut ups"
that's saying absolutely nothing though!
― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:59 (twenty years ago) link
sure it is toby: it's saying that in the race for art-rock (i am avoiding using racial terms here, tho i don't know why since obv it's right out there) circa 2003's use of "third-world rhythms", one practtioner is better than another. anyone who bigs up PiL or The Slits or the Contortions or The Pop Group and then gets down on any modern vision/version of same automatically is using some pretty selective logic.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link
PLASTICMAN - the safest entry into UKG for IDM geeks?
― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
ha ha the bill laswell comparisons are probably wholly accurate, but martin only releases a record every two years rather than 35 every six months, so his batting average his higher.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:21 (twenty years ago) link
For me it's a tone problem: it all just comes across as very, very humorless.
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:36 (twenty years ago) link
hmmmm. what is real?
that's akin to saying that any techno with compression on the 909 (ie any techno made outside detroit) isn't "real" techno. i totally disagree, to me it is still dancehall. listen to some of lenky's productions - he has loads of that mid-frequency distortion.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:39 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
ben is jazz sattelites worth tracking down?
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link
also ambient 4: isolationism!
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:27 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:31 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:42 (twenty years ago) link
It's mostly early 70s fusion, mixed up with a bit of 23 Skidoo, early Kraftwerk (when they were The Organization), Pop Group etc. I wouldn't necessarily say that every track is "good," but it has a lot of cool obscure stuff and the general sound hasn't really been recycled yet... even tho it does have all the hip names. I dunno, haven't listened to it in ages, but I always liked it. It's out there.
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
bens right. the thing i didn't like about jazz sats was the seemingly incongruous more recent stuff martin worked in.
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 23:56 (twenty years ago) link
Some of the slow jams just sound like b-sides from Mezzanine, but not as good...
― Michael Dieter, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 02:08 (twenty years ago) link
I think you're right in that maybe I'm just bored with 'electronic noise' and you're not! It's not a bad record, better than I expected, but I think Anna's inference is right and there's something drearily macho about it - more so even than 'proper' dancehall which is the most ridiculously hypermacho music there is most of the time.
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 09:02 (twenty years ago) link
so, it was sort of good, but not that good really.
havent heard the record though yet.
i don't like the idea of him though (for most of the reasons mentioned upthread). whatever that means. that makes me not like it and dismiss it out of hand. good idea, huh.
― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:35 (twenty years ago) link
― another opinion, Thursday, 17 July 2003 06:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:26 (twenty years ago) link
if martin thought to use a handclap just once it would be more significant than all his entire recorded output to date
― Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link
and i can't be a proto-trendoid, because i'm always behind the curve.
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
btw, like i blogged yesterday, anyone who loves doomy sludge must own the toadliquor CD on southern lord, reprising their 1994 record. oh my.
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:32 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
― disco stu (disco stu), Sunday, 26 October 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
I didn't expect to enjoy myself but I did, his schtick makes so much more sense boomin' live. He also played a DJ set for the warm up, incl. Fuck U Sign, Pass That Dutch and Flat Beat! I danced my ass (and a coupla other things too) off, and if you get the chance to catch him live I say definitely go for it. Even if ur a hater, like I was.
― Mind Taker, Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
man if there were handclaps on this...nice nice nice
― disco stu (disco stu), Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:17 (twenty years ago) link
― mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link
― quadro, Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link
is there a thread on the new album? ive heard bits and pieces and it sounds amazing.
― Michael B, Monday, 3 November 2008 10:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Trust me - nothing begins at home.
― Nothing has transpired (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 November 2008 10:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I almost started a thread and then didn't. The album is awesome.
― HOOS HOOS HOOS on the autosteen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 November 2008 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link
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― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link
TOP SHOTTA!tell dem idiot bwoy the warrior queen a TOP SHOTTA!
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Did Tom ever get anything right?
― Do they mean us? They surely do! It's Ray Conniff! (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 3 November 2008 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i didn't think pressure was particularly amazing at the time, i loved the bug singles (esp w/warrior queen) but it seemed a bit monotonous over a whole album. might dig it out to listen w/new ears, but i'm pretty sure that in terms of the album format (if not nec the bug's skillz), london zoo (which i've started rinsing again w/the advent of freezing weather) is a gigantic and awesome leap fwd.
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
warrior queen remains one of the most thrilling live MCs i have ever seen btw. fierce and righteous and never less than 100% captivating
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
oh god i just remembered where i first saw her! NYE 04/05, house party where she and the bug were playing, i got v drunk and babbled to her for ages afterwards about how great she was :(
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
TO ALL THEM FUCKING PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME, LOOK PON THE STATE OF YOUR HOME.
The album is immense. The argument at the top of this thread seems kind of quaint now as London Zoo slots in perfectly alongside grime and dubstep. I actually wish there was more grime that sounded as DEEP as the Flo Dan tracks on here. I'm glad he found a new home for his verse on Bounce as well.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link
matt have u heard plastician/skepta 'intensive snare'??? u absolutely must!
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link
that's akin to saying that any techno with compression on the 909 (ie any techno made outside detroit) isn't "real" techno.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:39 (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Thank goodness no-one on ILM would be that dumb
― The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 November 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
ARE YOU STUPID IN THE NOSE, BASSLINE IN THE NOSTRIL
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link
boy better know thismy name's josephmy name's skeptamy name's juniorsee in school i used to hit boys with a rulerthe english teacher tried to make me hooverbut i'm a bad boy from nigerianot st luciajoseph junior adenugabig lips african hootergo on then go on then!!
― lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link
"mostly untried British MCs"
Oh Tom.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
He did put an '(I think)' just before that, dude.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah you're right. Back in the days before the internet it would have been hard to check that sort of thing.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link
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― BIG HOOS aka the someduder (The Reverend), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:18 (fifteen years ago) link
ah, dubstepforum.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link