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PLASTICMAN - the safest entry into UKG for IDM geeks?

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re: melodys (the soft orchestral menace at the start of 'venom' sounds a little like aphex twin) and rhythms mostly. his tunes are really industrial and heavy (as in weight not appraisal (though they are HEAVY!)) which i think appeals to idm geeks MORE than people like jammer, youngster or wiley would because their music contains remnants of turn of the century wookie and even mj cole in melody (well maybe not wiley but def jammer). 'shox waves' is full of detroit-y blips and glitches and is more 'difficult' than say 'eskimo' or 'pulse x'. there's lots of twists and turns, it's like 6 or 7 different bars of 8 in one song! it's more obviously computer music, whereas i think some of the above mentioned producers imply a kind of organic aesthetic. also, (and this may be most important) you can listen to it without mcs and not get bored.

― sean g, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

was only a matter of time, wasn't it?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

but i wouldn't write it off as UKG-goes-IDM, or as a self-conscious attempt to complexify (is that a word?) UKG... i don't necessarily hear more squiggles and rhythmic busy-ness than in zed bias, say. if anything it might turn off the IDM kidz because it's too close to techno. whatever, i'm just thinking aloud. i do think his tracks are sick, though. (and i know a couple of windsor, ontario residents who are REALLY curious to know who he is!)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

is it not richie hawtin?
or is this someone else altogether

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no, don't get me wrong i'm not saying plasticman is idm (apparantly he's dj slimzees go-to man for the heaviest of the heavy dubs so he's def garagegaragegarage) but there's something in these tunes that feels very far removed from the RUDENESS, the BADNESS of say musical mobbs new one (bongo behaviour, yes same pulse x beat but bwoy that bassline is DUTTY!). they're not as mc friendly; even scratchy of rolldeep tripped over the breakdown of 'venom' (that BRRRRGHHH-BRRRGGGHHHH beatless bass pulse) last time i listened to deja vu! i mean, when you listen to them it's not as obvious where or how the mc can ride it. maybe they're more song based opposed to just 4 minutes of a 4 then 8 beat?? ?

― sean g, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

richie hawtin?

― sean g, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i see... richie hawtin is a guy called plastiKman right? plasticman is a guy from croydon

― sean g, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Woah woah woah, hold on a second. Surely the ABSOLUTE safest entry into UKG is Manitoba's "If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would be an Airport" E.P. or Squarepusher's "My Red Hot Car". Though I suppose it's not ACTUAL UKG (one is made by a Canadian, the other is simply taking the piss) but the key to understanding UKG is understanding the syncopation of the kick drum. If you don't get that first, you're lost.

I think Plasticman would be the second foot into the wading pool (as it were).

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I can see Plasticman acting as a bridge between the dubstep gang (Forward, Zed Bias, Horsepower style)and the grime, 8-bar set (roll deep, musical mob). It's dutty enough to get mc'd over by the latter, but sonically surprising enough for the former.

― Philippe, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

why would this guy call himself plasti>ck

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

that's fuggin weird.
what i meant to say was – why would this guy cal himself "plasticman" when there's already been a notewrothy "plastikman"¿ do you think one never heard of the other¿

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.beautifulwallpapers.com/wallpapers/fantasy/unicorn.jpg

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

geir?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

My God! It's beautiful! And completely irrelevant!

― Michael Dieter, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit this thread is so 2 months ago, The IDM Kids having been
shoveling UR & Planet E records into there Kitschy yet stylish record bags ever since Autechre gave permission for them to like techno

Is there still some debate over Plastikman = Richie Hawtin?

― my bonsai bush is dead (Hayden), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

um plastiCman hayden get yr blush on

― minna (minna), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 06:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect that plasticman has either i) not heard of plastikman or ii) doesn't give a shit.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:27 (twenty-two years ago)

plasticman is a 21 yr old from manchester.
he went to uni in sheffield and hung out with oris jay

read last months deuce for a profile thingy.

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

he's v cool and v short (as in shorter than me, so i like him). yup, his music's pretty clever and idm bods may well like it, but what the hell's wrong w/ that? incidentally, he played the last forward>> and rocked the spot. he took the opening 2hrs before my man youngsta (traditionally a bullshit slot where everyone mills about, buys drinks and pays little mind to what's going on behind the decks), but had the place absolutely bouncing, so his music works in both home-listening and dancefloor contexts, and is both intricate enough to satisfy autechre fans and instinctive enough to please the massive. i know some people hate the idea of ukg going "intelligent", but hear this in its proper place and you'll soon recognise it's still garage and solid, solid music.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha dieter can you be my fulltime straight man, that was perfect

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

it seems a bit odd that someone operating in a similar field as plastikman would call themselves plasticman
i mean,look at the confusion here,it'd be even worse in spoken conversation

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

what differnce does that make and it's hardly a similar field - most people who like this plasticman prob don't know much abt the other and does it really mmatter anyway... his music's good, the name aint v important...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

robin, i'm sure it's intentional. it's not like electronic music has ever shied away from obfuscation, right? frankly, to me his choice of the name "plasticman" is just further proof of the way that UKG is taking on more and more strains of acid techno. of course, i could be wrong, and maybe the kid's just never heard of mr hawtin. but my reading fits with my totalizing worldview better.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"plasticman is a 21 yr old from manchester.
he went to uni in sheffield and hung out with oris jay
read last months deuce for a profile thingy."

oops im getting confused with virus syndicate.
ignore (although im sure y'all did anyway)

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

btw what the fuck does this mean?
"UKMW: What do you think of the new “Urban” sound that has branched off of UK Garage ?
Plasticman: It’s shit. If these people wanted to make R&B music then why do Garage in the first place? They all went into the charts. When asked why they decided to move onto R&B, most of them replied “We’ve always been a Hip Hop related group, and we’ve always loved Hip Hop from day one”. This just backs up the fact that they used the Garage scene to big themselves up to the mainstream, only to fuck it off when they could smell the aroma of money coming from the ludicrous “Urban” genre. Greed – that’s what has fucked the scene up most. "

?????? 'urban'?

who is he talking about? (this taken from an interview at ukmusicworldwide.com)

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

So Solid Spinoffs presumably.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah i didn't understand what they meant by urban either. And why didn;t they name so solid when that's clearly who he's talking about?

Incidentally, has anyone heard about the ministry of sound comp with dj slimzee and god's gift?

― sean g, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Presumably not just So Solid but also Craig David, Ms. Dynamite, Mis-Teeq, Blazing Squad etc.

Actually the producer that strikes me as really IDM-friendly (or, more accurately, as Philip noted, the point where everyone who likes dubstep jumps onto 8-bar) is Target (as in Danny Weed and...) - his stuff is so intricate and precious-sounding, it's like the entire point of Musical Mob's evil minimalism has now been washed away from the 8-bar orthodoxy (blog post forthcoming).

I agree though that this sort of stuff isn't necessarily a dead end at all - one shouldn't assume that just because these scenes generally suffer from self-conscious appeals to "intelligence", that therefore the best stuff in the scene doesn't itself demonstrate that intelligence in abundance (I'm not saying anyone here *is* assuming that, y'all smarter than that I know!). The most rhythmically intricate and exciting tracks 2-step produced to my mind were David Howard's "U & I" and James Lavonz's "Mash Up Da Venue" - ie. from producers who were firmly on the r&b/speed garage side of the equation. It doesn't surprise me at all that the most intricate/intelligent producers of 8-bar are likewise coming from within the crews themselves.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 17 July 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

While I'm equally wary of the 'intelligent'/'dancefloor' divide - I mean, there's always been a substantial crossover of sonic innovation entering and escaping clubland, since forever - but at the moment, is it possible that something of all that 'LAPTOP IS NEW PUNK' hype from a coupla years back is legitimately taking ground?

Considering the Dizzee record, even Vice observed that his beats sound like a ghetto Squarepusher...

Further, I can't actually remember Horsepower Productions ever citing Basic Channel/Chain Reaction as conscious influences, despite the inevitable comparisons. Without getting all deterministic - I wonder how much of this IDM sided soundscaping is related computer technology at the production level more generally? Maybe even the software now being used?

― Michael Dieter, Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

tim-
you'll be interested to hear that james lavonz is producing "urban house" now as championed by the dreem team. this stuff is basically like pre-98 4-on-the-floor UKG with a little bit of skippy 2-step-ness and lavonz's stuff isn't /too/ bad. i bet the crowds are positively geriatric at this point, though - simon reynolds' "working post-raver," now complete with preteen family. new comp. by dreem team "this is urban house" is, as you would expect, rather definitive.

dieter - that's an interesting idea. what did basic channel etc. work in? i know benny ill does all his work on an old atari running cubase. on the other hand, arthur from d'n'd/menta/artwerk runs a big digital rig with pro tools.

― cooper (cooper), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The most IDMish garage track I've heard is an instrumental by Dizzee. It's played 15 minutes into a Sidewinder set with Flow Dan. It's got a slow lumbering boom bash boom boom bash electro beat with lots of squiggles and twiddles, and one of those Afx/Autechre-ish reverberated synths like a delicate flame in an icy future world. Useless for rapping and dancing, but great for atmosphere.

― Keith McD (Keith McD), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Cooper, I think that's *always* been Lavonz's gig - as far as I can tell "Mash Up Da Venue" was a totally inspired one-off. The same applies to David Howard too... so many of the great tracks the scene has produced has come from the oddest places, either from producers working totally outside their comfort zones for one time only or from producers with a large degree of patchiness...

eg. Dubaholics will live on forever for "Do Me Baby" and their dub mix of Matt Darey's "Beautiful" but I can't remember liking anything else they've done; likewise TJ Cases redeemed his glut of conservative r&b fluff (even if "Dedicated To Love" is quite nice) with the phenomenal "One By One" and "I Like To Cut... I Like To Play".

It amuses me that "urban house" is this big new name for what is essentially "speed garage" - who would have thought that the oldies would be the first to snap and change their name?

Nice to have you back by the way!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 18 July 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

having seen benny ill's "studio" when interviewing horsepower productions round at his house (all of us trying to keep track of the cricket at the same time) i have to say i nearly pissed myself laughing... hearing all the intricacy and clarity of in fine style and its preceding singles i expected some walloping great star-trek style set-up with banks of flashing lights and complicated widgets all over the shop (as you can see i'm quite a stunning technology writer) but it's positively prehistoric... props to the man for proving all you need is good ideas and the most rudimentary kit to make good music...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm i picked up this free rag that says you have something to do with stelfox, it's like a little 7" magazine anyway it has steve goodman giving his usual unbiased, balanced dubstep reviews for which i have gleaned:

benga is 16. blimey. sampling talvin singh tunes at 16 must be some sort of teeming thyroid complaint. it sez he is 'mentored' by:

big apple records (dubstep locus) is run by a john kennedy who is a resident at lost. (blimey) and arthur smith who records techno as grain

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

is that the grain on fatcat perchance?

oh for the days of milesahead eh dave!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

richie hawtin has been seen with HAIR recently so maybe there has been an ol' switcheroo somewhere along the line

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

hey of course absolutely everyone knows those things...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:51 (twenty-two years ago)

you remember milesahed yr one of the few...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

also do i know you chip?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah man milesahead was nang for jazzy 16 year old me! i still think of the smell of atlas records and fiending for hefner records sometimes

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

no you don't. will you promise to be my friend?

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you actually liked it?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and steve's a good mate of mine...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

well back then if it had 2 good reviews in an issue it was ok. too much jazzanova stuff for my liking. and the free 7"s were arse. i was a big kodwo eshun phreek then too so goodman's stuff is a bit ehhh to me now but fair do's.

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

oh well, do you write chip? if so best to start yr own mag chip and show everyone how it's done, that's why we did it - you'll prob be glad to hear that it was a pretty spectacular failure in financial/career/generally getting anywhere terms and you can probably hope for same, but it was fun for a while...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

and when i say that's why we did it i don't mean to "show everyone how it's done", i'm not that much of an arse. i mean there wasn't anything really addressing anything we liked so we went out and had a bloody good go at doing it ourselves

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah ok dave i aint hating!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

ps. 'showing everyone how it's done' is all anything should be!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

well if i was doing it now i'd definitely go abt it differently (although i remain proud to have been involved with a magazine that made a conscious decision to put only put dead people on the cover for 6 months) mainly because i wasn't the editor and know much, much, much better writers than i did then, would have some semblance of a business plan, have made a point of covering more garage etc (regardless of our lunatic editor's feelings on the matter) and all-round perked up the writing and done it more professionally... still, the whole shebang was worth being involved in and some of the best times i've had in my life so i recommend having a crack if there's nothing out there that you like - who knows, you may be the one in 1,000 little mags that actually gets somewhere. and on the steve/kodwo thing, steve's got a hell of a theoretical background knows his stuff and is also a good friend of the talented mr eshun. i don't really see much of a point in setting them off against one another. also steve writes abt what he likes so it works for me...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

why so defensive! again, goodman is ok it's just a personal thing. i'm not really a fan of k-punk guy either, it's all a bit 1993 x-files cyberspace unfun! like i say it was all way cool when i was 16. it'd be nice if goodman wrote about some other stuff, he comes across as a bit of a PR man and thus hard to trust

er i hadn't really planned on making a little magazine but i guess if it's the only way i'm entitled to have an opinion then i guess it's off to the printers for me

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not being defensive just saying it was early days and i'd do it differently now - as in have total control of it. yr allowed yr opinions just like anyone else and they're obv pretty strong, therefore yr a good candidate to do something different yrself... think yr being defensive now

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, gotta love ilm. :)

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

why are we all so angry!!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

besides blount

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not angry... nonplussed and vaguely bitter is the best way to describe my current state

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

well I think yr angry, wanna ruck!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

no

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

aha so yr a closet nu-jazzer too then chip?

shraight no chaser still wedging a door open somewhere in yr flat?
come to the darkside and accept the truby trio with their 'frenetic' latin beats...

ps i have 10000000 nu jazz 12"'s cluttering up my room. anyonbe want em?

50p the lot.

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

some of it was good!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

and we were a far better door wedge than straight no chaser... the paper we printed on kinda grips carpets perfectly... guess we always knew what we were destined for...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

wasnt milesahead some sort of box-set/label thing? ed had some of it/her/they/whatever it was.

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

nah was a magazine...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

haha brill nu-jazz thread derailment!

ambrose we need to get together and hug

if release the groove gets mentioned i may leave ilx forever

i swear milesahead had a record label later on post-mag and also like a groovetech internet radio show? with that rev milo speedwagon dude

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 18 July 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

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rev milo speddwagon is my best and oldest mate and you swear wrong we never had a record label, but we did have the radio show and did a comp once

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

and despite being one of the people i love most on earth i still can't spell his idiot dj alias!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the show we had kodwo guesting on a few times you mean

Release the groove ...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 18 July 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

mogwai, moogwai, moguai

― man, Saturday, 19 July 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Steve is a Critic Who Is Also A Scene (dubstep) which is always a difficult position to be in, and I think that while readers have to take this into account the quality of his writing remains v. high. I do think it's a shame that hyperdub ended up coalescing around dubstep (and particularly Forward??) so concretely - it's sort of defined itself into a corner a bit. Although I recently chatted with Steve and he was much more willing to admit to the sub-genre's failings than I expected.

In a lot of ways critical approaches to music are like genres of music - they're at their best when the thoughts, like the music, are all fluxed up. Hyperdub struck me as being on a real upward-curve critically-speaking, but it sort of reached a pinnacle with the simultaneous coinings of the (overlapping) genres-of-the-mind, dubstep, yardcore and nu-dark swing. After that point, the ruling idea of Hyperdub became too clearly defined, which inevitably --> orthdoxy. The challenge for Hyperdub now is to move forward and not continue to carve runes on the same stone. I get the impression that Steve *is* moving forward, but either he or one of the other writers (Dave???) should start getting some fresh ideas out in an article or two.

I hope that doesn't come across as snooty and superior 'cos I really do have massive respect for the site and its writers.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 19 July 2003 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

foxy i am simply dying to hear about more people you know that are more talented than yourself! details!!

ps. chill pops, why are you riding me

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Saturday, 19 July 2003 10:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i love you like an errant and badly behaved son, chip

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That's illegal in most places.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

cheers tim - yeah it's been a thought for a while. i'm tied up with paid things right now but new stuff soon come (as they say in my area of london). you're a funny guy ned :)

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I am? News to me! (Thanks ;-))

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 July 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

chip -
big apple is D'n'D hq - their studio is just above. arthur smith is their engineer, also produces solo as Mad Skillz, Artwerk, Menta. they've definitely brought through several people - notably, Hatcha got started at big apple and is now rather big; Benga and Skream are the new prodigies. D'n'D has made an art out of keeping their ears to the street, though; the two not-arthur guys (andy and dean) run a distribution company i think and are regularly out and about looking for the frest stuff - a large part of why D'n'D always seems to right there in with whatever the micro-fad of the day is, i think.

tim-
see the Dubaholics Ska Mix of Phat Jak - "Gangster, Mobster" from Public Demand 2001; i find it very very redeeming, especially in the possible-alternate-future sense. ska garage!

interestingly enough, the "urban house" stuff is markedly /not/ speed garage. think back before that, even, they seem to have receded almost to Naked Music-like "niceness." grant nelson and todd edwards and a smidge of r'n'b, not, say, 187 lockdown, are the touchpoints here.

also, lavonz had some other more-or-less rewarding releases on locked on - "let me show u" and "feel my dreams" are two, but both were definitely very pre-"mash up da venue" in the sense of having complicated, stuttery, clattery super-2-step sounds. big bass too. "feel my dreams," i think, came with a 4-on-the-floor mix as well which is very skippy and todd-y. he's always been a sporadic producer, though, which makes it hard to construct a timeline for the lavonz sound. he's just done a new remix of "spirit of the sun" which the dreem teem is caning regularly.

― cooper (cooper), Sunday, 20 July 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

that phat jak remix is one of my favorite garage songs ever! i never read anything about it anywhere until right now! "are you hot like a pepper or soft like cheddar?" (ha ha does this make dizzee pepperjack?)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 20 July 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

yo chip i got mad love for that guy from release the groove who was in amalgamation of soundz.

ha! amalgamation of sounds! wtf??????

nowadays i go in there and go downstairs.

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 21 July 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

that guy from release the groove who was in amalgamation of soundz.

oh you mean jc thompson. i used to love annoying him - he was the biggest tit i have ever met in my life and wore loafers. i always used to pretend not to know he was in AoS and always make him give me a selection of records off the wall including his own and say i thought they were shite!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 July 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Jean Claude. just how bad is amalgamation of soundz?

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 21 July 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

not that bad - he was just the rudest record shop bod i've ever met...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

haha that was the test! oh man JC ("dont call me jean claude") was a stern father but i think i made him secretly love me after a year... i couldnt see him again tho, even if the garage is just downstairs. he nearly threw me out when i listened to an amalgamationz record and said "it's quite good, i need a new coffee table as it goes". AoS are amazingly lame

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

he wasn't a bad record shop dude, not like that pikey scally bastard on the uptown ground floor

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

just had to get that off my chest

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

dont call me jean claude

other way round chip, old chum... he hated being called jc so i always did... you cldn't see him again coz they fired him abt 18 months ago 4 being a spaz... best moment was sending a friend ofg mine in there on his own to see just how rude jc was to him and then going in and saying "hi jc meet my friend XXXXX who's the editor of XXXXX magazine in the us and best mates w/ xxxxxxxxx who runs the record label that releases yr stuff. be nice to him. nice loafers btw, the new?"

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

JC NOOOOOOO!!

hey just that's like this friend i know he once shook a vaguely famous music industry sleb's hand, anyway he got fired once too. hoo boy it's hard being so well connected!

― Chip Morningstar (bob), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i neglected to mention that in my absence jc was true to form incredibly obnoxious... the look on his face was funny

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
revive!

― Here's to admitting it wuz actually a Plasticman set that turned me on to proper, Friday, 27 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

When is the Plasticman album due?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

*slowly gaining confidence that this is not a misspelled thread about Richie Hawtin*

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 28 October 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
he's on every 4 weeks as part of the 'In New DJs We Trust' thing. this week was his week (so it's listenagainable until friday)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/innewdjswetrust/tracklistingarchive.shtml?20061118

(it's Plastician now btw)

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

plastic ian?

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

if you like.

new Skream track two songs in. talked / played jingles all over it though. arsebiscuits.

he's also just used the phrase 'it was absolutely fire'. oh well.

― Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

new album from him due soon

apart from a few naff-ish 'world music'-meets-dubstep tracks, its very good.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 21 June 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

This is Beg 2 Differ, yes? I am excited to heat it.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

he said on his Radio 1 show on friday that it'd been put back again.

― koogs, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

is standing in for mary anne hobbs for a week or two. seems pretty much identical to his monthly show (which has now finished) but then i am only two tracks in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

― koogs, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

My husband is seeing him tonight in Singapore.

― stevienixed, Friday, 25 July 2008 12:30 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

ok i never realised beg to differ actually came out - 'japan' and 'intensive snare' are both incredible, what's the rest like?

― lex pretend, Saturday, 1 November 2008 00:49 (seventeen years ago)

Dull.

― Alex in SF, Saturday, 1 November 2008 03:21 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

dubstep ruined this guy.

this whole album was pretty boring.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:41 (seventeen years ago)

I have no memories of it whatsoever which is not a good sign.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)

it was all really dull... intensive snare was ok despite the awful chorus but even the one with all the mcs just so-so, despite the heavy lineup. only good (great, actually) track i can remember is the cha refix.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:49 (seventeen years ago)

eh, the chorus to intensive snare is not awful.

― what U cry 4 (jim), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:57 (seventeen years ago)

true. its just leaden.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 10:52 (seventeen years ago)


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