Nina Hagen vs Dagmar Krause

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grinding another new lens to view Karen O thru

dave q, Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing to do w/ anything but if one visualises one's own taste as a three dimensional structure that one is INSIDE, w/ walls that might be flexible if you push them rilly hard but they're still 'walls', and I think one of the walls is Henry Cow ie I've never been able to get past the first 30 seconds of each track even w/ my trusty everything-always-on-random-play mode, what am I missing?

dave q, Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

(also re Karen O - name's been linked with Wendy O lately in these environs, anybody remember NH's "TV-Glotzer" hint it's a cover of "White Punks on Dope", who's a 'real punk'?)

dave q, Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the same problem with all that Henry Cow/Slapp Happy/Art Bears stuff. Every time I try to listen it makes me feel intellectually tiny, and I have to turn it off and put on J Geils or something. I still harbor some kind of abstract fascination with Dagmar, though.

Also, I have the Nina Hagen Band 10" single from 1980 (w/ "TV Glotzer" on it). :-)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 1 May 2003 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Henry Cow sounds very clinical and passionless to me, though I've only heard a handful of albums. Slapp Happy fare considerably better, though Blegvad/Moore often get indulgent. Haven't yet heard the Art Bears.

Dagmar is the element I like the most. Moore's Flying Doesn't Help is a great album, too.

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Not a particularly big fan of Henry Cow myself, and generally only like them when they sound like Art Bears. The Slapp Happy I've heard isn't really the same kind of music, though maybe I missed the really dry stuff. I think Dagmar tends to split opinions because she literally has two ways of singing: the extreme, "off-putting" way and the lyrical, pretty way.

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 1 May 2003 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen to Slapp Happy's "Casablanca Moon" album - it's pop music, pure and simple.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't quite compare them. Nina Hagen's 'nunsexmonkrock' produced by Mike Thorne and 'Fearless' produced by Giorgio Moroder are outstandingly bizarre tuneful records. Nina comes out of classical opera and got strange somewhere along the way.

Many people say Henry Cow sounds clinical to them but it just makes me feel lonely, to me there's little music that sounds more passionate, uncompromising, committed, I dunno.

milton, Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Nina licks Dagmar's shoes.

If you get a chance, download (or buy, if you can find) 'Tank Battles'. It's nearly life-changing.

J (Jay), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Sorry to bump up an old thread, but I'm listening to Nunsexmonkrock and figured I'd honk through the archives...

I'm not sure which of the two I prefer, as Nina Hagen I only know "Nunsexmonkrock" plus the "Nina Hagen Band" Ep from, the latter I frankly find to be pretty boring, while NSMR is incredibly fascinating, AND heaps of fun.
Krause is a pretty different affair, IMO, much more human, I guess, through poppypop melodies in Slapp Happy to some quite odd and great ones in Art Bears and Henry Cow, I don't really think I can pick one or the other, particularly considering my lack of knowledge in all things Hagen (does she have albums where she actually is less frantic and more, well, Annie Haslammy? Hah!)

I'm going to agree with Milton on Henry Cow, to me that band's always sounded very passionate, and thoroughly compelling. I bought Leg End a few years ago, and it did admittedly take a few listens before it cracked, but that goop inside has given me vast quantities of enjoyment ever since.

What the world needs, however, is more music like Hagen's "UFO"!

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

punch in the face vs. punch in the stomach

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

What is an intellectual though? Is an intellectual someone who attempts to construct something that's perceived as 'intellectual,' or someone who inadvertantly produces important insights? I think of Krause more as the former, Hagen more as the latter. I prefer Hagen, though I have a lot of respect for Krause, perhaps more than for Hagen.

Jody C., Wednesday, 4 June 2003 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember hearing nina hagen's "new york new york" on college radio in 1985 or so, and thinking it was really weird. i never heard it again till i went to france 10 years later and some french guy at the hostel where i was staying in nantes played it on a cassette.

ms. hagen also had a really cheesy video on beavis and butthead once -- something about carlos castañeda -- and of which b&b made much mirthful fun (Butthead: "is this a joke?" Beavis: "i think it's from the local-access cable channel or something!")

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...
nina hagen is chuffing fantastic!

eh (fandango), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

African Reggae WHAT A TRACK. fuck me.

eh (fandango), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Nina Hagen videos for Smack-Jack and Zarah, eat your heart out everyone

and my fingers are always crossed for Dagmar's return to the stage

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 6 October 2006 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Does anyone know about the source of this performance? Far superior to the album version, but I can't find anything about when/where it was recorded or it exists in a form other than a shitty YouTube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CST7XOxw4Dk

a day in the life in the bush of ghosts in the machine (Stevie D), Friday, 8 January 2010 04:08 (twelve years ago) link

One minute in: Lina Hagandazovich, from her new album "Monks n' Stuff"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSGIkwbKd_E&feature=player_embedded#

dlp9001, Friday, 8 January 2010 05:17 (twelve years ago) link

Nice. Tho' Connecticut isn't a convincing stand-in for Berlin.

bendy, Friday, 8 January 2010 12:49 (twelve years ago) link

Where is Dagmar Krause these days, people? She seems to have had zero internet visibility for the better part of a decade. A fearless and wildly intelligent singer with absolutely no peer.

Fruitless and Pansy Free (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Saturday, 9 January 2010 04:09 (twelve years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Merkel’s punk pick for leaving ceremony raises eyebrows

Angela Merkel has left Germans wondering how well they really know the chancellor who has governed them for 16 years, after picking a song by the punk rocker Nina Hagen as the soundtrack for her military leaving ceremony.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:52 (ten months ago) link

quite!

also a revelation as i never knew Nina was an Eastie.

stirmonster, Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:31 (ten months ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxtEZcWn91c

MaresNest, Thursday, 22 September 2022 08:12 (one week ago) link

One in retaliation

promised you a spiracle (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 September 2022 08:31 (one week ago) link

oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaBptCea3yA

promised you a spiracle (Matt #2), Thursday, 22 September 2022 08:31 (one week ago) link

also a revelation as i never knew Nina was an Eastie.

― stirmonster

her mother eva-maria's recordings of brecht-weill are fine - maybe those would be something to compare against "supply and demand"! wikipedia says eva-maria was considered the "brigitte bardot of the gdr"! (it also notes that she passed away last month - rip, eva-maria.) in addition, nina hagen's stepfather was wolf biermann, whose "Chausseestrasse 131" is an essential work of magnitizdat liedermacher. both worth checking out!

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 22 September 2022 14:41 (one week ago) link

Only named my cat after one of these. Obv the winner.

emil.y, Thursday, 22 September 2022 14:58 (one week ago) link

Dagmar's Tank Battles is my alltime favorite album that is currently out of print.

bendy, Thursday, 22 September 2022 15:18 (one week ago) link

also a revelation as i never knew Nina was an Eastie.

Plenty more on that here, I used to share a flat with Nina Hagen in Camden and she used to make pizza out of dead cats....

Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 September 2022 15:19 (one week ago) link


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