Emperor: Am I missing something? (C/D)

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Just browsing at the new Emperor best of and I'm once again thinking 'maybe I'm just not giving them a chance and I'm really missing out on something here'. But the one time I gave them a try (IX Equilibrium, which I ended up getting refunded within 24 hours) I couldn't get past that voice.

Are Emperor the black metal gods people claim, or was my initial reaction right? Opinions and recommendations (if appropriate), please.

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Wrath Of The Tyrant" & "Emperor" = classic but extremely badly produced which makes it generally unpalatable for non-black metal fanatics.
"In The Nightside Eclipse" = one of the best metal albums ever and the work they established their reputation with. Great vocals!
"Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk" = after four years of inactivity, it's a decent carbon-copy attempt of ITNE but already the crappy vocal syndrome and the tendencies for overblown wankery & pomposity rear their heads.
"IX Equilibrium" = a stylistic turn-around here, which leads to a disjointed mess of clinical technical death metal-styled music with atrocious vocals.
"Prometheus" = "IX Equilibrium" with even worse songwriting and more senseless technical wankery. Unlistenable rubbish.

And please, stay well clear of the live album and the bootlegs!

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man! That's freaky. I was just about to start an Emperor C/D thread! IMHO they're quite quite brilliant. M Carty, you chose their worst album sadly. That one is largely regarded as their only blot on the landscape (the only track i liked was An Elegy of Icaros which isn't even representative of their sound). Most people rate In The Nightside Eclipse but my personal fave is Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk. It's the most epic, powerful thing I've ever heard - so much going on and yet it's so precise. Prometheus isn't bad either but it's very impenetrable and hard to get into, so not a good starting point.

Is the best of worth getting?

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

See also this thread, for recs and general info.

Since starting with them then, I'd probably go with In The Nightside Eclipse, but I also don't think Prometheus is bad.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

In The Nightside Eclipse is soooooo beautiful. My fave. I prefer Mayhem's latter-day technical wankery.Or at least I enjoy The Grand Declaration Of War anyhow.

Scott Seward, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

The best of did seem to lean quite heavily on the blot on the landscape album and on the "unlistenable rubbish" (as the good Siegbran put it) of Prometheus, but then it also has a rarities disc including a Bathory cover, so maybe it's worth checking out.

I'll definitely be checking out Nightside Eclipse and possibly Welkin after those recommendations.

Also, are there any other bands that might be a sort of good bridge into black metal? As mentioned above, I tend to find the silly 'shrieking goblin' vocals quite offputting on the few releases I've tried.

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

This is the tracklist of Scattered Ashes: A Decade of Emperial Wrath (how's that for a rediculous & pompous title!)

Disc One
1. Curse You All Men!
2. The Tongue of Fire
3. The Majesty of the Nightsky
4. Cosmic Keys to My Creations and Times
5. Wrath of the Tyrant
6. The Loss and Curse of Reverence
7. An Elegy of Icaros
8. I am the Black Wizards
9. Thus Spake the Nightspirit (live)
10. Ye Entrancemperium
11. In the Wordless Chamber
12. With Strength I Burn
13. Inno A Satana

Disc Two
1. A Fine Day to Die (Bathory cover)
2. Ærie Descent (Thorns cover)
3. Cromlech (Darkthrone cover)
4. Gypsy (Mercyful Fate cover)
5. Funeral Fog (Mayhem cover)
6. I Am
7. Sworn (Ulver remix)
8. Lord of the Storms
9. My Empire's Doom
10. Moon Over Kara-Shehr (rehearsal)
11. Ancient Queen
12. Witches Sabbath
13. In Longing Spirit
14. Opus A Satana

All things considered, it's pretty good. It has the best songs from ITNE and ATTWAD, only a handful of tracks from the last two albums (a very wise move), and the 'various rarities' disc 2 has lots of great old tracks from the demo and 7" from the '91-'92 days and that rehearsal track is one of the best things they've ever recorded (those vocals...beyond vile!). None of the cover songs are anything to write home about, but altogether you've got about one hour of truly great material and ALL the essential stuff.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh... in that case, the best of it is! I was just put off a bit by track one being the same as track one from the notorious equilibrium album!

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Prometheus ain't all that bad. It's the kind of album I keep lying around because I'm pretty sure it'll grow on me eventually. That one song (track six?) that has the ridiculous Planet of the Apes human harvesting scene horns is amazing!

original bgm, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend to find the silly 'shrieking goblin' vocals quite offputting

Learn to tolerate & then appreciate them. There's no other way...

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

John D to thread, dammit!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm with Alan, that "Prometheus" track with the horns is quite awesome

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(Ned, Siegbran's kung fu shames mine on the metal front esp. when the question involves black metal)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps, but between the two of you I am Deeply Informed where I would be Flailingly Ignorant.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I will say that I think Siegbran sells short the technical wankery side of Emperor, which they pursue for largely practical reason. As we discussed on the other thread, black metal bands must grow up at some point -- there's only so far you go go into "rawness," really, and staying "true" looks like stagnations after a while. How many Clandestine Blaze albums can one hear before saying "right, great, they're the best at this filthy black metal thing, but what do they have to offer that's new?" This is of course a key question in all genres. Emperor, who I think relished the top-dog position afforded them by having made In the Nightside Eclipse, looked toward a sort of proggy future quite distinct from the Swedish prog front (the awesome if deeply Floydian Opeth, whose most recent album I still haven't heard). Prometheus (whose subtitle must be PERMANENTLY ERASED FROM LANGUAGE because it is so 1@|\/|0rZ) had some ideas along that front -- I think they made the mistake a lot of bands who run into money make i.e. giving themselves all the time they want to record, instead of setting tight deadlines which I heartily believe force artists to work harder, esp. artists dealing with "extreme" tropes. Too much time = the energy gets diluted. But the high moments on Prometheus are still quite great to my ears.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never been a fan of Wrath of The Tyrant. The production is so bad there are times I'm wondering if the snaps and crackles is just noise from the master tape or actualy notes. The songs themselves are a bit overrated as well. Really, for bands around at that time period (around '92-'93) in Norway, I'd stick solely to Immortal and Darkthrone, as they were so far ahead of the rest of the pack (Red Harvest, Mayhem, Emperor, Burzum, etc) that its almost funny in retrospect.

Prometheus is an album that people either really dig after a few listens, or they just hate from day 1 and never touch again. One friend of mine called it his least favorite album of the year, another one had it in his top 3. I'd consider that for a used purchase or to download a few tunes first (Empty is pretty solid, as are some of the later tracks on the album). Anthems and Eclipse are excellent, and everyone seems to agree that IX Equilibrium is of the least essential purchases you could make in you lifetime.

As an aside for Siegbran, I sat down and played Alastor's Hellward for the first time in ages and enjoyed the hell out of it. So perhaps all my criticisms of Barbarian Wrath's roster aren't that valid. Except Meggido, hah.

Alan Conceicao, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Is the new Marduk album any good? I think I need some nasty war metal to go with my nasty war.

Scott Seward, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently it's not that good. Try Malevolent Creation or Bolt Thrower. I love the last Arcturus album though - "For To End Yet Again" has the best battle horns evah!
META: Any more metal with battle horns or that sound like troops going into battle? The synthier the better

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Graveland is all you need.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow! I live in the same town as Meggido! I didn't realise they were well known.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Is the new Marduk album any good?

Hell, it's Marduk. Which makes it predictable: as usual produced by Peter Tätgren, solid, tight-as-fuck but a slightly mindnumbing hyperspeedfest. It won't win them any new fans, but it's not a disappointment. But if you really need some rabid, over-the-top openly aggressive warfare-themed black/death, there's nothing better than Impiety Kaos Kommand 696 at the moment. Makes Angelcorpse sound like a calypso band.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

So it sounds like the usual thing. Okay. I was just wondering if it was worth getting. Impiety, huh. I will look for it.

Scott Seward, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Impiety's whole concept of thermonuclear satanism definitely adds to the atmosphere, these days.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the problem with Emperor is that the original '91-'93 incarnation and the '96-'01 reunion were very different, both internally and externally. The old Emperor had the benefit of Mortiis' very atmospheric lyrics and Fausts excellent varied and fluent drumming, and had the events of 1993 not happened, Emperor might as well have developed quite differently. But after all the praise and attention heaped upon them after ITNE, and the unreasonable expectations that had been building up in the three years of forced inactivity, Samoth and Ihsahn really struggled to find a way to satisfy the critics. And while Trym Torson is a very fast and skilled drummer, he never quite filled the shoes of Faust, and with Ihsahns rediculously pompous lyrics the band really took a turn for the worse, especially since they decided to abandon the one thing everybody liked about Emperor: that thick, mystical atmosphere. Without that, they somehow tried to cover up their lack of songwriting skills by smothering the songs in technical riffs, fills and solos.

Personally I think that Behemoth, who followed an almost identical trajectory from fuzzy lo-fi atmospheric black metal to crystal clear technical death metal, fared a whole lot better. With Behemoths latest two albums I really hear passion, coherence, adrenaline, sweat and hard work as well as technical perfection - all quite different from how they used to sound (and I worshipped their demos, the EP and the first two albums!) but still a band that is worth caring about, while with Emperors last two records I never quite saw the point of the songs other than to impress their critics.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

what people haven't mentioned is that emperor were all VERY yung (15-18) when they started. They're all in their mid 20s now and that's a mindblowing factor for me anyway. I still say "Anthems..." is the crystalline album. What I've heard of "Nightside" isn't quite as perfect.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 27 March 2003 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Behemoth is really good, esp. the latest one, but: 1) the vokills are pretty awful to my ears and 2) the Crowleyisms are a bit thick

(what do I know, though, I love the new Vital Remains...with predictable old Glenn Benton behind the mic, yammering on about the same-old same-old -- but the hooks are incredible)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm, Behemoth eh? I really enjoyed Satanica, but found Thelema.6 to be a HUGE step down into mushy snoozieville. I haven't even bothered to check out the new one, as I started feeling like maybe Satanica was the product of years and years of accumulated death metal ideas that they discarded because they were such elite black metallers. Well, if they ever were, ever asked a Polish person about Behemoth? They're like Norwegians with Satyricon and Emperor*! "Fucking trendy, popstar shitheads. FUCK THAT BAND!" ;)
But then, I do love Vader, who are seen in the same light, I believe.

(*not that I'd EVER say that about Emperor! The less said about Satyr and Frost, the better, I suppose)

You know, I quite enjoyed IX Equilibrium when it came out, but I haven't played it in a looong time now. I don't really care much for Mortiis' lyrics, though they were definitely better than everything the band came up with since he left, but then, rock, metal, pop etc is generally not good for lyrics.
That being said, the little I've heard of the new album was really cool, some really interesting ideas thrown in there, and it struck me as pretty effective. Not like, say, Solefald, who'll come up with a great idea, then die of "I don't know what to do"-isms.

I frankly haven't listened much to my copy of "Hellward". My favorite BW albums are the Morrigan and Tearstained ones. Yes, I love King Diamond, dammit. Oh yeah, and Stiny Plamenu's fun. Come to think of it, Countess mustn't be forgotten, they're probably the label's second best band.
Megiddo's Devil & The Whore is pretty good, but suffers a bit from the whole "oh, this riff i've heard before, oh god, don't use THAT chord progression, are you The Sonics??" deal. The newest album I think I've played twice, haha.
Now if they'd release the damned Heretic album already.
I dunno, i think BW's a pretty good label for mostly what I call "beermetal", a label where the 80s early thrash days never ended, something I guess is either a really good thing, or really horrible thing, depending on your point of view.

Hi, I like heavy metal, please don't ban me ;)

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 27 March 2003 09:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Nergal *is* rather impossible to work with, as I experienced on the "Sventevith..." tour, so it's not surprising everybody in his home country hates his guts by now. The whole "sellout" thing is one of the reasons why I mentioned Behemoth - the parallels between them and Emperor really are many and still I have much more respect for Behemoth than for Emperor. And Øystein, "Zos Kia Cultus" is more similar to than "Satanica" than to "Thelema 6", and better than both.

Barbarian Wrath is a label I should have a subscription to. By now, they have tons of bands on their roster, and while they all work within the same paradigm of oldschool primitivity (as if "norsecore" never happened), but all of them have a distinct identity - you won't find any anonymous clones (like Infernö, Bewitched, Nifelheim, Warhammer etc) on their label. The whole "Black Metal, yes, but Black METAL" attitude is extremely commendable, and Opyros has a talent for spotting bands from every hellhole on earth. If you look at their roster now it's like a time machine, you'll see every region where obscure things were happening in 1991: Portugal, Hungary, Czechia, Holland, US, Japan, Finland, Colombia...

I haven't enjoyed a metal album in years as much as I enjoyed "The Devil And The Whore", somehow that kind of anthemic, "singalong" metal doesn't exist anymore. The signing of Heretic doesn't surprise me at all, that band was always perfect for the label and I know Opyros liked the debut immensely.

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe it's not the same Meggido... the ones i'm thinking of are from Hitchin... come to think of it, i think they changed their name to something else recently

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 27 March 2003 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

[quote] haven't enjoyed a metal album in years as much as I enjoyed "The Devil And The Whore", somehow that kind of anthemic, "singalong" metal doesn't exist anymore[/quote]

I think you have a point there. I played it a LOT when I first got it, but it doesn't seem to attract me all that much anymore. I definitely agree about the black Metal bit though, as most things coming out of BM in general nowadays, completely forgets to actually rock!
That being said, I often find that I have to be in the right mood for those bands, so I'll go through months where I'll listen to that stuff constantly, then go for a good while without really getting much into it. Then BAM, there it goes again, hah.

Have you heard Heretic's sideband? Opyros said one or more of the guys were in some rockabilly band, I think.

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The new Behemoth is leagues better that Thelema which I also found incredibly boring. I couldn't see what people were so excited about. The new one sounds way more death-metal and as is widely known I heart death metal

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there no one who enjoys that last Destroyer 666 album as much as I do. It's a little black, a little death, it's got goats, witches, wolves. Really, something for everybody. It rocks really hard too, which is something that I admire about it. I thought the last Entombed album would be my new favorite rock album, but I hardly ever play it.

Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always been wary of Destroyer 666 simply because they have what must be the most generic metal name ever. Silly I know, but I'm on a budget!

original bgm, Thursday, 27 March 2003 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread has now reached the point of being generic enough that I get to mention the greatest heavy metal album title of all time, Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan by Antaeus.

which is a bitch of an album to find, and I wonder if it's as good as people say it is.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm always amazed by the near-ghettoization of any metal thread - doesn't anyone look out of sheer curiosity? anyhow. i've always though of checking out some of the above mentioned bands, but "technical" for me is the lurching / stammering of thordendal & meshuggah. w/ emperor / marduk etc do you get that or is it all tricky riffs in square time sigs?

bob snoom, Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread has now reached the point of being generic enough that I get to mention the greatest heavy metal album title of all time, Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan by Antaeus

Yeah, that album fucking sucks :)
Sorry, I really, really didn't get into that. Pop black metal at its most tedious, IMO. I don't get why all the black metal hamsters keep bopping me on the head and saying "but it's so goood! And they're french, french is totally hip today. Fuck that Polish trendy shit! France, man!"
Then I cry :(
Ohhh, the teears!
Then I listen to Sparks, and I smile again.

Then I listen to the mighty Nargaroth and dance!

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Dagnab this lack of editing-possibilities. The first paragraph of that last post of mine is a quote! A quote, people! You're far too stupid to figure that out by yourself, so I'm telling you!

Øystein Holm-Olsen (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 27 March 2003 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Then I cry :(

emo BM-core, it's what's next

Yeah, I've only heard one Antaeus song, on the World Domination IV comp. I thought it was pretty good, though!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I only own one French metal album:Medieval Rites by Agressor. I love it! Cuz they do great brutal, fast stuff and then they go into the ancient music woodland folk stuff that is really beautiful.I bought it on a whim, not knowing anything about them. Plus, it was really cheap.Plus, there is a song on it entitled, "Welcome Home King Diamond"!!!! I love that title.

Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm always amazed by the near-ghettoization of any metal thread - doesn't anyone look out of sheer curiosity?

I read every one! I have a few albums John D and Siegbran have recommended, but not much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

John, have you ever heard Maudlin Of The Well? They are great emo BM-core. I brought them up somewhere else, can't remember. I think their records are great. Death/emo/jazz/experimental, and they make it work somehow. I don't actually know how.

Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Do they have emo lyrics with the gowly cookie monster vox? That would be amazing.

original bgm, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

There are three MOTW albums all on Dark Symphonies:
my Fruit PsychoBells...a seed combustible
Bath
leaving your body map
The last two, bath and leaving your body map came out at the same time(same day, whatever).

Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

They divide them up. One song will have plaintive emo-y clean vocals and the next song will have death vocal. Great majestic use of french horns too. Sometimes female vocals too.

Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"majestic french horns" = I have to check this out

original bgm, Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, come to think of it, they do mix the vocals a bit cuz each song has so many parts. They are like suites.The lyrics are more gothy but the delivery is so achingly emotional. Their lyrics are actually quite insane. The song "Blight of River-Systems" for instance starts out:"Snow, and drugs that make every visage angelic! Then came my secret dream of a girl, my warrior with a foot like a doe". How can you not love that! Did I mention the hurdy-gurdy carnival pianos too?

Scott Seward, Thursday, 27 March 2003 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan by Antaeus. which is a bitch of an album to find, and I wonder if it's as good as people say it is.

Is it that difficult to find? Drakkar still lists it, at least in their january catalogue.

And yes, it is very good, musically a mix of Immortals "Pure Holocaust", Beherit and old Impaled Nazarene, and sonically rabid, in-your-face sharp and clear. Prozak is OTM here. The hype did put me off from buying it initially but I'm glad I bought it anyway.

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 27 March 2003 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! I went to college with Spin*za Ray Pr*zak, he now defames me in his sigfile because I used to razz him in Usenet groups about his nazi sympathizing

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

when did the nazi stuff start up with him, anyway? i swear once upon a time he went off about how great ornette coleman was (not that the two are _totally_ mutually exclusive or anything)...

that antaeus album bored the shit out of me - but i'm kind of retarded and would rather listen to mutiilation than, say, immortal.

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 27 March 2003 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, I finally got the Emperor Best of yesterday, and weirdly CD one turned out to be covered in scratches and would barely play. The only song which didn't skip and stutter was I am the Black Wizards - What a phenomenal song! Cheers Siegbran, Mr dog latin and co, you seem to have been spot on!

Can't wait to get the CD replaced today and find out if the rest of it is as awe-inspiring. I truly was missing something!

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 28 March 2003 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
In the Nightside Eclipse and Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk are truly magnificient black metal albums but still I don't regard IX Equilibrium and Prometheus as bad as everyone here apparently do.

It's true that there are fewer highlights on those two but still Prometheus is a fine black/death metal album though not nearly as deathish as Zyklon and Myrkskogs albums of the same genre.

Daddy DB, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Prometheus is rather overcooked but IX Equilibrium is pretty rockin' if you ask me.

Anthems is slightly overrated but pretty classic, especially the segue from the into track to the opening riff of "Ye Entrancemperium".

In the Nightside Eclipse, goes without saying, is completely classic and the one truly essential Emperor album.

I have to say that even though sometimes I disagree with him, Siegbran's depth of knowledge and understanding of metal is pretty awe-inspiring. John D too, come to think of it.

latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I still stand by my post upthread, only to say that the only Emperor I listen to now is that best-of because it has practically all my favourite tracks on it and hardly any bad ones.

Emperor seems to do a thing that hardly any other metal does and that is make me feel like I'm being buffeted around in a mighty whirlwind.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 00:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Prometheus is rather overcooked but IX Equilibrium is pretty rockin' if you ask me.

Anthems is slightly overrated but pretty classic, especially the segue from the into track to the opening riff of "Ye Entrancemperium".

In the Nightside Eclipse, goes without saying, is completely classic and the one truly essential Emperor album.

Whoopee!

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 08:39 (fifteen years ago) link

? just giving my take on it..

latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 08:56 (fifteen years ago) link

"Emperor seems to do a thing that hardly any other metal does and that is make me feel like I'm being buffeted around in a mighty whirlwind."

otm!

latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 10:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh wow, some of my earliest ILM posts! I sure am proud of them.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link

you should be proud, Oystein. Especially this:

"Hi, I like heavy metal, please don't ban me ;)"


remember everyone, emperor is touring the u.s. this year. be there or be square!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 12:49 (fifteen years ago) link

dates?

latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:01 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i'd say 'with strength i burn' from anthems is their defining moment. a near-perfect fusion of clean/black vocals, and compelling all the way through. some sort of interesting lyrical theme about trying to transcend the human limitations of the body or something. intriguing.

in the nightside eclipse would rank as the best overall record, i suppose. definitely the perrenial fan favourite and with good reason. nothing else sounds quite like it.

i don't dislike 9th equilibrium at all. it's not like it's less intense than what came before it - samoth is at the top of his game here. a handful of fantastic tracks too... 'sworn', 'an elegy of icaros', 'curse you all men'...

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I've only heard In The Nightside Eclipse but that rules.

Cut Your Flesh and Worship Satan by Antaeus.

which is a bitch of an album to find, and I wonder if it's as good as people say it is.

Well, I like it :)

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:42 (fourteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

i still can't tell if I prefer Nightside or Anthems so my solution is to always listen to both back to back

Neanderthal, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:14 (four years ago) link

also is anybody seeing their reunion shows in Europe? if so I am jealous

Neanderthal, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:14 (four years ago) link

I am not huge into symphonic BM other than these dudes and Summoning which is weird because Emperor were pretty much the first black metal band I got into so I thought that would be my shit.

is there other good symphonic BM in Emperor's vein? I heard people swear by Limbonic Art when I was 19

Neanderthal, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:15 (four years ago) link

Setherial Nord is like the lost album between Nightside and Anthems.

Siegbran, Monday, 20 February 2017 00:48 (four years ago) link

Thanks!

waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 February 2017 00:57 (four years ago) link

Lunar Aurora's first few, esp the debut Weltenganger; sort of a midway point between Emperor and Limbonic Art

and another German band called Drautran, whose Throne of the Depths album borders on Anthems plagiarism, but it has that "pretty and vicious" tone to it

Devilock, Monday, 20 February 2017 01:36 (four years ago) link

for the sake of posterity I should add that Lunar Aurora turned into something infinitely more interesting than "kind of like Emperor" in the second half of their career, and even in those early days there was something wonderfully ominous, almost psychedelic, in their sound; Emperor always sounded triumphant, like you're the protagonist in their songs, while Lunar Aurora had that impersonal Lovecraftian "you are insignificant and doomed" thing going on

Devilock, Monday, 20 February 2017 01:51 (four years ago) link

some other symphonic bm albums worth checking out:

Odium - Sad Realm of the Stars
Nazxul - Iconoclast
Vesania - Firefrost Arcanum
Sirius - Aeons of Magick

and if you're feeling really adventurous
Apotheosis - Farthest from the Sun

the main problem with drawing inspiration from those early Emperor albums is that the resultant contrast is gonna be like that between playing a tabletop rpg and swinging an actual broadsword at actual leather-winged acid-spitting abominations -- but there's some merit to be found in the attempts

Devilock, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 03:52 (four years ago) link

Nokturnal Mortum Goat Horns is a good Nightside-clone. Dimmu Borgir Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is also much closer to Emperor than their later stuff. Keep of Kalessin Through Times of War too.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 14:00 (four years ago) link

Anthems will always be one of my favourite metal albums

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 14:41 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scattered_Ashes:_A_Decade_of_Emperial_Wrath

From disc 2 I already have "In Longing Spirit" , "Opus a Satana" , "A Fine Day to Die" and "Gypsy" but how essential is the rest?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:24 (one week ago) link

The Moon Over Kara-Shehr rehearsal is very essential, best thing on that disc. Recorded between Nightside and Anthems, Hellhammer on drums, Steinar from Arcturus on keyboards, and it's glorious washed-out chaos.

Siegbran, Thursday, 9 September 2021 08:58 (one week ago) link

Surprisingly, Scattered Ashes is one of the most well put-together "best-ofs" I've ever heard. I haven't heard the second disc for a good while now but I seem to remember the Thorns cover being really good

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 9 September 2021 09:25 (one week ago) link

Siegbran's decriptions at the top of this thread are brutal. There's something to be said for all their albums - 'In The Wordless Chamber' is all-time

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 9 September 2021 09:31 (one week ago) link

https://www.decibelmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/img-48.jpg

synthwave/metal label, Blood Music, was basically made off the back of the labels boss wanting to release an Emperor boxset.
it does look very impressive.
did anyone here grab it, as i believe they sold out rather quickly.

mark e, Thursday, 9 September 2021 11:18 (one week ago) link

Siegbran's decriptions at the top of this thread are brutal.

18-year younger me was not wrong!

Siegbran, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:21 (one week ago) link

Thanks, Siegbran.

Second album is still my favorite. I never totally warmed to the 3rd and 4th but they have some great stuff on them.

In general I dont have much use for criticisms like silly, ridiculous, pretentious etc. I think those things usually have to do with familiarity, comfort zones and preferences. They seem even more meaningless in the context of metal, goth and prog.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:29 (one week ago) link

There's definitely something power metally and "heroic" about the vocals of the 2nd album onwards. Didn't like that initially but it makes sense now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:33 (one week ago) link

I think with a band like Emperor the whole silly/pretentious "we are really ancient wizards" thing was always there of course but to me the suspension of disbelief just worked better under the hazy/mysical blanket of Nightside and Anthems than under the clearer/sharper/riffier two albums afterwards, there it almost becomes Manowar-esque.

Siegbran, Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:36 (one week ago) link

2021 Siegbran and 2003 Siegbran both 100% correct.

pomenitul, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:02 (one week ago) link

Siegbran - I thought you'd warmed on Anthems?

I can easily see why people might like Nightside best, in some ways I prefer it, but the energy on Anthems is just off the charts, one of the best rock albums I've ever heard.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:45 (one week ago) link

Anthems is out there

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:55 (one week ago) link

Anthems is a good album, I just listened to it again. I used to hate the mix but it doesn't really bother me so much anymore (or maybe I just have better speakers now).

There's a lot of Nightside part 2 (such as The Loss And Curse Of Reverence which is still the album's high point I think), but there are quite a few really goofy and bad vocal parts (With Strength I Burn is the biggest offender here, even though the final three minutes where it gets mostly instrumental are great) and there's this emerging tendency to insert all these short guitar solo breaks into songs that don't really need them, that would get worse on the later albums.

Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 08:21 (one week ago) link

What bits of the vocals do you perceive as "goofy"? The clean-sung vocals or the little spoken-word breakdown. I'm kind of tempted to say that metal is inherently goofy and that these parts are kidn of what makes it cool. That said, I should really go back to Nightside more

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 10 September 2021 09:50 (one week ago) link

Well the clean vocals are mainly bad, the spoken word stuff is mostly goofy, but there's considerable overlap :)

Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 10:36 (one week ago) link

That said I have less tolerance for the Cradle Of Filth/Arcturus school of community theatre than most.

Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 10:39 (one week ago) link

I love Arcturus but some of their albums (Masquerade Infernale) had objectively terrible vocals on them

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 10 September 2021 11:37 (one week ago) link

Setherial Nord is like the lost album between Nightside and Anthems.

― Siegbran, Monday, February 20, 2017 1:48 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Does sound like it, but I wish it was true of the songwriting.

Nabozo, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:13 (one week ago) link

I'm kind of tempted to say that metal is inherently goofy and that these parts are kidn of what makes it cool.

― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, September 10, 2021 10:50 AM

Yeah the silliest and most embarrassing stuff in music is often what you end up loving most. It's like musicals being inherently embarrassing for me but that's what ends up making them feel freeing and a joy. FREEDOM!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:53 (one week ago) link

Listening to Anthems always feels like a special occasion for me. Makes me feel like I could fly across the universe.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:55 (one week ago) link

It was my intro to the genre so it's very hard for me to think of it in any critical way

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 10 September 2021 19:12 (one week ago) link

Does sound like it, but I wish it was true of the songwriting.
― Nabozo

Most of those songs are three minutes too long yes but I have to say the repetition works and they bring some great riffs to the table, I’m still very fond of that record. I’m usually annoyed by such blatant copying of one specific band’s sound in literally every aspect, but for some reason it doesn’t bother me there.

Siegbran, Friday, 10 September 2021 20:33 (one week ago) link


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