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I just had to do my fave band since my bro had a go.
GBV: why do NME etc ignore them? They didnt even review 'Isolation Drills'.
Although I think DO The Collapse was in their albums of the year in 1999
My fave album is 'Mag Earwhig'.
GBV Classic Or Dud?

Peter M's Brother, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Guided By Voices: Classic or Dud?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:56 (seventeen years ago) link

'isolation drills' was never released in the uk, so NME never reviewed it. they did a (pretty dreadful) feature on the band in 1999 to tie in with 'do the collapse', and had features back in the 1990s pretty regularly (though everett's pieces on em for melody maker circa vampire on titus/propellor were my favourites).

absolute classic as far as i'm concerned. buy 'alien lanes', then 'under the bushes under the stars', then 'vampire on titus/propellor', then let yourself loose on the various and multitudinous offshoots and eps.

sxxx

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

can someone please convince of the classic status of isolation drills. i really want to like this album. but could not.

doom-e, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

has that got anything to do with your ultimate gayness?

chk chk chk, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

yer not a very good troll.

doom-e, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i would expect you to rage at my gayness, psychotically, but as it stands, it's not very good. c- (just for showing up and typing).

c'ya.

doom-e, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

isolation drills is the only GbV album that doesn't seem to have lost something by being 'properly produced'. IMO it features some of Pollard's best songs since B1000.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

All I have is Be THousand, and I like it tons.
SHould I get others? I am interested in Suitcase, should I get it?

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it was douglas on some other thread that advocated making yr own gbv greatest hits cd. that would be the only way to end up with a classic. they're good though, most of the time

ron (ron), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"isolation drills is the only GbV album that doesn't seem to have lost something by being 'properly produced'."

agreed. also, bob drops the mystic/fairy tale goobledegook lyrics for once, in favour of some pretty fucken open and brutal lyrics about his marriage breakup. 'glad to see you' is *painfully* honest and to the point.

i love ID.

sxxx

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"My fave album is 'Mag Earwhig'."

It's the only GBV album I have, but it's great fun. I think maybe a couple of songs could have been left on the cutting-room floor, but largely it's quirky garage-pop excellence all the way. "I Am A Tree" is so instantly catchy, it actually could have broken them to a bigger audience, with a little good fortune. I may invest in some more GBV soon...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks stevie and jim....going to repurchase this, when i get back to canada.....it's on the list.

doom-e, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

A Nairn -- Yes, more. I skipped Suitcase (got the comp Breifcase instead), but i'm sure it has lots of gems.

Others: Alien Lanes, Propeller, Vampire on Titus, Same Place the Fly Got Smashed, King Shit and the Golden Boys (those last two both appear in Box). Also, several in the Fading Captain Series are noteworthy; Speak Kindly of your Volunteer Firemen, Kid Marine, and also the Lexo & the Leapers' EP, Ask Them. ¥

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Classic. One of my favorites. Such childlike enthusiasm for the transforming powers of music, such a tribute to spontaneous creation. Great song titles too. "Kicker of Elves" made me laugh out loud in the rekkid store.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 9 March 2003 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, GBV is definitely classic. Not every song Bob Pollard has written/released is equal, but he's written enough brilliant music that the duds in his catalog really don't matter that much.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 9 March 2003 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

seven years pass...

the brides have hit glass

kamerad, Sunday, 18 April 2010 00:16 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

"Guided By Voices are back together and have recorded a new album, Let's Go Eat the Factory, that will be released on January 1st. It will be the band's first studio output since 2004, and their first to feature the lineup of Bob Pollard, Mitch Mitchell, Tobin Sprout, Kevin Fennell, and Greg Demos in over 15 years. Mojo broke the news."

nostormo, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 23:50 (eight years ago) link

but did they record it on cassette?

calstars, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 01:53 (eight years ago) link

as much as certain GBV songs are well-worn constant favorites....uh...

Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:11 (eight years ago) link

four months pass...

I was in the right place for the initial run of GbV, but stopped caring long ago, though I've kept up in a half-assed way with like 80% of the new releases. Got "Factory" via Spotify out of curiosity. It's really pretty good. Kind of weird to listen to...sort of like hooking up with your ex-girlfriend from college, except you're both in your 40's now. Makes me think, more than ever, that GbV was not in fact Pollard + Granny on Bongos. I'm surprised to find myself playing this often.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:40 (eight years ago) link

it's not a bad record but it feels very anonymous to me, particularly tobin's contributions. i'd put it slightly ahead of half smiles.. the last boston spaceships record had some much stronger tracks

really dislike 'how i met my mother' and 'fats domino' is their most hookless single

fitzroy institution (electricsound), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:44 (eight years ago) link

Ahead of Half Smiles? no no no!

Granted, I've only played it through twice, and that was the NPR stream that went up pre-release, but it left me hollow and almost offended at how disjointed and, frankly, bad it was. Maybe I'll try it again some day, but I just don't want to now.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:47 (eight years ago) link

Never trust NPR streams. I've learned that the hard way...

dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:56 (eight years ago) link

I'm almost afraid to buy the new one, for fear of disappointment. "Fats" was okay. Have like 20 Pollard side project promos from the last couple years that I still haven't found time to play.

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 2 February 2012 11:56 (eight years ago) link

The new GBV album is surprisingly good, one of the best things Pollard's done in years and more interesting than the last few GBV albums were. If you're looking for an album of big hooky singles you're not going to find it. They're messing around in basements and bedrooms again like they did back in the early days, not trying to be the big rock band. I understand why people are disappointed, especially if what they're looking for is more 'hits', but it's really exceeding my expectations.

erasingclouds, Thursday, 2 February 2012 13:02 (eight years ago) link

I've listened to it three times and I'm not feeling it at all beyond the odd track. It's among their bottom three albums for me.

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 2 February 2012 13:03 (eight years ago) link

Love it. Garnered way more plays from me than anything Bob's put out in years (not that I didn't like that stuff either).

Wandering Boy Poet, Thursday, 2 February 2012 13:04 (eight years ago) link

have really come to love this, the more i play it.

dave cool it (stevie), Thursday, 2 February 2012 13:31 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I really like this one and I kind of feel like a lot of the people that hate this had unreasonable expectations in the first place. No, it isn't Alien Lanes or Bee Thousand, hell even Mag Earwhig, but I do think its interesting and I like it the more I hear it.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 15:24 (eight years ago) link

unreasonable expectations

What's unreasonable about expecting something more than aimlessness for the most part? Bob still writes a handful of big, anthemic songs every year that he then distributes among his hundred different projects. Unfortunately, he used his most recent batch all up before getting around to making this latest GBV record. I don't mind a little aimless in my GBV, but it's got to be broken up by the BIG songs I can use as trailmarkers.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 2 February 2012 15:27 (eight years ago) link

That wasn't aimed at you, btw, I was just referring to a lot of dismissiveness I've seen online that boils down to, "this sucks, Alien Lanes was so much better". Well, duh.

In terms of your complaints, I think there are a handful of those BIG songs. And I really like the aimlessness, particularly with Toby back in the mix.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 2 February 2012 15:28 (eight years ago) link

Where I'm coming from is this - the first GBV music I heard was the 7"s from the time (Get Out of My Stations, Grand Hour, Fast Japanese Spin Cycle, Clown Prince of the Menthol Trailer) and then Vampire on Titus and then Bee Thousand, which had just come out. In that batch of music there are rock/pop anthems, sure, but overall there's more weird stuff that would probably fit your definition of "aimlessness". What I love about the new album is in spirit it goes back to that era. Plus, it surprises me, like their music originally surprised me - some of those Tobin songs in particular sound nothing like what he usually does, or like anything that's been on a GBV album before.

But I do imagine that if my first encounters with GBV were with the later lineup, more 'arena rock' stuff (which I also love, don't get me wrong), and I was looking for them to go that route (to pick up where GBV left off), I'd be disappointed.

erasingclouds, Thursday, 2 February 2012 16:10 (eight years ago) link

Where I'm coming from is this - the first GBV music I heard was the 7"s from the time (Get Out of My Stations, Grand Hour, Fast Japanese Spin Cycle, Clown Prince of the Menthol Trailer) and then Vampire on Titus and then Bee Thousand, which had just come out. In that batch of music there are rock/pop anthems, sure, but overall there's more weird stuff that would probably fit your definition of "aimlessness". What I love about the new album is in spirit it goes back to that era. Plus, it surprises me, like their music originally surprised me - some of those Tobin songs in particular sound nothing like what he usually does, or like anything that's been on a GBV album before.

^^^ absolutely

dave cool it (stevie), Thursday, 2 February 2012 16:15 (eight years ago) link

yeah i think i agree. haven't spent *too* much time with the new one, but i like the fact that it isn't just jampacked w/ anthems. gbv, at their core, are a WEIRD band! and this is a weird album that I'm interested in exploring more. not sure if i'd be saying the same if Factory was just a bunch of Baba O'Riley soundalikes or w/e.

tylerw, Thursday, 2 February 2012 16:22 (eight years ago) link

"Fats Domino" gets stuck in my head all the time. awesome song.

billstevejim, Thursday, 2 February 2012 19:33 (eight years ago) link

I dig the new album and agree it hearkens back to the sound of those '93-'94 eps but I would like to hear some more anthems on Class Clown.

Let It Beard and Mars Classroom and even the Lifeguards album from last year all had much stronger songwriting. In fact, I'm astonished Let It Beard in particular wasn't cited more (or at all) as one of the best rock albums of 2011...

ColinO, Thursday, 2 February 2012 23:14 (eight years ago) link

I still recall playing Bee Thousand for a friend (with very well-informed and eclectic taste) when it came out. His comment was that inevitably the band was going to try to tighten up the songwriting and improve the production, and that they'd never live up to what he was hearing. He was mostly right...

Gotta say that "big anthemic songs" is about the *last* thing that impressed me about GbV the first time around. Personally "Hot Freaks" was the one I loved back in the day. It's really pretty amazing that they/he can still manage to 97% approximate the original sound at this point. It's almost like there'd been a Syd/Floyd reunion in the 80's that wasn't bad.

dlp9001, Friday, 3 February 2012 00:26 (eight years ago) link

the sound of 'factory' + the songwriting of 'let it beard' would have been a total winner

flagsteban postez (electricsound), Friday, 3 February 2012 00:27 (eight years ago) link

I dig the new album and agree it hearkens back to the sound of those '93-'94 eps but I would like to hear some more anthems on Class Clown

i think that'll be the case. when i interviewed the band before xmas, kevin said he was surprised how much leeway to experiment bob had given tobin on factory, and that clown was a much more 'rock' record by comparison.

dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 3 February 2012 07:49 (eight years ago) link

Where I'm coming from is this - the first GBV music I heard was the 7"s from the time (Get Out of My Stations, Grand Hour, Fast Japanese Spin Cycle, Clown Prince of the Menthol Trailer) and then Vampire on Titus and then Bee Thousand, which had just come out. In that batch of music there are rock/pop anthems, sure, but overall there's more weird stuff that would probably fit your definition of "aimlessness". What I love about the new album is in spirit it goes back to that era. Plus, it surprises me, like their music originally surprised me - some of those Tobin songs in particular sound nothing like what he usually does, or like anything that's been on a GBV album before.

this is exactly where i came in, except that i started w/ propeller followed by the singles and then the scat albums. if the new one (which i haven't heard) is anywhere near that good, i'll be in heaven. but those albums and singles were packed with anthems, right? "weed king", "mesh gear fox", "my impression now", "shocker in gloomtown", "wished i was a giant", i mean cmon...

his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 3 February 2012 08:04 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

"bears for lunch" thoughts? at the moment i'm liking it as much as class clown (and both way way more than factory)

bill cosby synclavier samples (electricsound), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:46 (seven years ago) link

bob's songwriting is holding up really well though i'm not loving tobin's stuff on the reunion records

bill cosby synclavier samples (electricsound), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 21:46 (seven years ago) link

obviously: I want to believe

That said I have enjoyed the first 8 tracks so far. First Tobin joint a joy.

calstars, Thursday, 15 November 2012 17:15 (seven years ago) link

I like Bears a lot and I think the three reunion records are equally good but not great. All 5 Boston Spaceships records are superior.

ColinO, Thursday, 15 November 2012 18:39 (seven years ago) link

I've only heard White Flag from the latest batch of material, but it's one of the best things to come out of these new(ish) sessions imo.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 15 November 2012 18:46 (seven years ago) link

Listening to The Bears for Lunch right now and it is hands down the best of the three reunion albums so far. Maybe the guys just had to fall back into a comfortable groove or something, but this is what I was hoping for initially.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 November 2012 16:25 (seven years ago) link

Number of GBV songs about aircraft has to be way greater than 30 at this point.

calstars, Friday, 16 November 2012 16:35 (seven years ago) link

I'm gonna have to listen to the new one a few more times, but so far I'm not really feeling it. Loved Class Clown Spots a UFO, though; so far I'd say the new one is more consistently good than Let's Go Eat the Factory but the highs on Factory are better than anything on here. Just my initial impression, though.

Also, really really disappointed with pretty much all of the Tobin songs on all three of these.

xanthanguar (cwkiii), Friday, 16 November 2012 16:55 (seven years ago) link

Yeah I think Tobin is being spread too thin. His songs on Bears sound like they belong on another record, they just don't sound like GBV songs. Also, his Forever Until It Breaks really dragged down the first side of Class Clown...

ColinO, Friday, 16 November 2012 17:27 (seven years ago) link

Again, I'm grossed out by men-only stuff—including widely accepted therapeutic practices, retreats etc. that are meant to sensitize men, liberate them from stereotypes, etc. But I'm not willing to paint every gathering of "men only" as harmful to women. I mainly think it's embarrassing, but obv. for some people it's healthy

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:56 (one week ago) link

No chicks in the tree house! That’s what I told Kim Deal. We were touring with The Breeders, and Kim asked me, right after Last Splash, “Why don’t you let me play bass?” And I thought for sure she was just fucking with me, so I said no. And I probably would have let her, but then I told her that we have a policy that there are no females allowed in Guided By Voices. It’s like when you’re a kid and you have your tree house and there’s no girls allowed in it. Then she did an interview in some GIRL magazine and she called me over and she goes, “Explain your philosophy to her!” And I said, “No chicks in the fuckin’ tree house, OK?”

― brimstead, Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:23 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

brimstead, Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:56 (one week ago) link

here you go http://ink19.com/2001/04/magazine/interviews/guided-by-voices-9

― brimstead, Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:23 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglin

brimstead, Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:56 (one week ago) link

It’s like when you’re a kid and you have your tree house and there’s no girls allowed in it.

this is exactly what I meant by presexual retreat

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

in the annals of male slights towards women, "not letting" them into your AOR fanclub for alcoholics ranks pretty low imo

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:59 (one week ago) link

Kim asked me, right after Last Splash, “Why don’t you let me play bass?”

Lolllll, that's quite a subtle dig at her then-husband haha. I'm pretty ambivalent on GBV outside of 92-95, but Kim is the best.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:02 (one week ago) link

Again, I'm grossed out by men-only stuff—including widely accepted therapeutic practices, retreats etc. that are meant to sensitize men, liberate them from stereotypes, etc. But I'm not willing to paint every gathering of "men only" as harmful to women. I mainly think it's embarrassing, but obv. for some people it's healthy

― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII)

see, again, having been in some of those men-only spaces you are "grossed out" by, i don't find those spaces to be particularly harmful. it didn't do much for me, for reasons which are in retrospect glaringly obvious, but i think the _idea_ is not necessarily "gross".

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:07 (one week ago) link

Another life ago, when I was married, my then-wife would regularly attended a "ladies' night" party thing in the town where we had recently moved. And then their husbands started doing the same thing, on the same night, out of boredom or jealousy or whatever.

Anyway, I went a couple times and yeah I was kind of grossed out...they were trying their best to bro it up in a kind of forced way...and yeah, it just seemed really stupid and I found it embarrassing, maybe "grossed out" is too strong. I never went back.

On the other hand these were all very old friends who were able to comfortably talk about their erectile dysfunctions or whatever in way that no doubt some would not have been in the company of each other's wives. And I wouldn't begrudge them that.

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:18 (one week ago) link

GBV actually started as an ED support group

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:20 (one week ago) link

As We Go Up We Go Down

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:20 (one week ago) link

orginally "the ED guys" but they decided on something subtler

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:21 (one week ago) link

Is that what Bob and the guys talk about?

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:22 (one week ago) link

That's my understanding, yes. Mainly erections.

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:23 (one week ago) link

Those women don't know what they're missing.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:25 (one week ago) link

Based on the few times I’ve seen Kim Deal in a live / stage-patter setting, she seems like she could hang with a bunch of belching, cursing dudes as well as anyone!

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:26 (one week ago) link

She could and she has. That's not the point! She is but *one singular woman* (and a GOAT to boot) and he has made thousands of songs.

My observation that he has some kind of problem working with women goes back to this very fact. I am not saying he is a hateful piece of shit nor have I ever implied it -- that is because I do not believe it. I am saying he does not see women as his professional equal with the exception of *one* woman. For me, a longtime fan of his music and woman musician, I was and remain disappointed to see that this is considered ok and status quo based on his good ol boy persona.

I don't actually like talking about this at all because it reminds me the lengths to which people will go to deny the reality of what I am saying by distracting and bringing up the ONE TIME he worked with Kim Deal. It happens like clockwork.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:50 (one week ago) link

otm la lachera. boys in this thread would do well to consider ll’s words. earlier posts lamenting what a drag it is confronting similar opinions in all of the ilx threads is some bullshit

sknybrg, Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:03 (one week ago) link

Bingo LL - Well said.

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:05 (one week ago) link

Bob's worked with like 400 guys and 2 women AND has said he doesn't want women in his band... not much wiggle room there tbh.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:07 (one week ago) link

My point was just that it was weird he would say “no girls in the treehouse” to Kim, of all “girls.”

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:08 (one week ago) link

Yeah that's pretty unfortunate to learn as Kim boosted GBV's audience quite a bit by releasing the Breeders' cover of "Shocker In Gloomtown" on an EP around the time Scat released Bee Thousand, which was probably the first time outside of a pretty narrow audience had heard a GBV song.

But I'm far less invested in GBV as most people on this thread, they had a really amazing streak that caught my ear for a few years.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:37 (one week ago) link

LL OTM. I've always felt Bob showcased the bloke-ish sports-guy chauvanism as a machismo cover for his awkwardness over being creative, but you are what you present to the world, and it's always been a turn-off.

I've always interpreted Giggling Faggots as a bandname, like "Coming in to town with the Giggling Faggots", but I have nothing to support my theory that that's what Bob meant, that's just where my brain went the first time I heard it. It's a pretty jarring line, which was probably its purpose, but it hits a bum note on an otherwise sublime album.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:42 (one week ago) link

Tbh, as a fag, I don't mind it, but understand how it turns people off.

I love GBV and a lot of Pollard's other work, even, but it's no coincidence that I know exactly zero women outside of ILX who give a shit about either.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 27 July 2020 11:24 (one week ago) link

I saw GBV in the early 2000s in Chicago & late in the extremely long set he went on a rant about how Jim DeRogatis didn't like the band, and started riffing on what (he thought) DeRogatis liked, saying "Hip hop? I'm hip, hop on this", shoving his dick out, "Rap? Wrap your lips around this", shoving his dick out, and "Disco? Dis go in your mouth", again shoving his dick out. I thought it was shitty, probably more misogynist than homophobic, but both.

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 27 July 2020 12:34 (one week ago) link

That the shows are full of the indie equivalent of frat bros is also evidence, yes.

When I saw them in 2002, Sonic Youth were playing the same night across town, and he went on this long drunken rampage about how GBV were better because their name had more letters. It was truly embarrassing.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:59 (one week ago) link

I saw GBV and Sleater Kinney at NYC Summerstage - a weekly concert in Central Park that pairs artists in double bills. Toward the end of GBV's set, Pollard growled, "Who's here next week... Shudder to Think and ABBA?"

I took it as a joke, more or less, about Summerstage's "eclecticism" (not that the sets were really eclectic); but my STT-loving friend took it as a dis, and was angry.

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:07 (one week ago) link

GBV and Sleater Kinney at NYC Summerstage

my only memory of that show, which occurred toward the end (it may have contributed to the end) of my maniacal gbv obsession, is that sleater-kinney blew them off the stage.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:22 (one week ago) link

I picked up the GBV "final show" DVD from a thrift store a few months back. Great setlist but hardly the world's most inspiring live band, if that's anything to go by.

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:40 (one week ago) link

Which GBV final "final show" was it?

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:42 (one week ago) link

The Doug Gillard era bands were very professional but dull - like Doug Gillard in fact.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:44 (one week ago) link

Which GBV final "final show" was it?

https://www.discogs.com/Guided-By-Voices-The-Electrifying-Conclusion/release/2417151

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:46 (one week ago) link

/GBV and Sleater Kinney at NYC Summerstage/

my only memory of that show, which occurred toward the end (it may have contributed to the end) of my maniacal gbv obsession, is that sleater-kinney blew them off the stage.
pretty sure I was there too, this was 97 as I recall touring the mag earwig record and it wasn’t gbv you saw, it was bob with cobra verde. The real “farewell” had already occurred

calstars, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:50 (one week ago) link

The Doug Gillard era bands were very professional but dull - like Doug Gillard in fact.

I don't think records like Speak Kindly are dull in the slightest

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:51 (one week ago) link

Great setlist but hardly the world's most inspiring live band, if that's anything to go by.

I dunno, I've seen the band a handful of times, starting around "Bee Thousand," continuing through its bigger venue alt success, and most recently on New Year's Eve a couple of years ago, and each show was an absolute blast despite the band being nowhere near one of my favorites.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:52 (one week ago) link

From the same interview above...

One time I saw you guys play with Sleater-Kinney in Central Park…

Oh wow…

And it was this thing where, you’re waaaay over there, and between me and the stage there’s this football field of freaks, and all I can see is the freaks… so I had no idea what was going on on stage.

Do you remember when I started throwing beers? I got in trouble a little bit for it, too. I’m glad I got away with that one, I could have killed someone. But people were asking for beers, so I’d hand them off. Then there were people farther back, so I started flipping them. Then I’d toss them, and after awhile I was throwing them all the way back, as high as I could, and they were coming down… bottles of beer… I could have killed someone.

That’s so Nikki Sixx.

I thought it was a punk rock thing, but then I realized it was pretty fucking stupid. Someone from my label came out and tried to grab me, to stop me. That was a weird show, because it was really hot, and it was scary actually. There were a lot of people there. We were told by riot grrls in Portland that “Sleater-Kinney is going to burn the stage up on you guys.” Come on!

jmm, Monday, 27 July 2020 16:52 (one week ago) link

I notice one of the the inserts for that DVD has an image of Cosey Fanni Tutti (from the gatefold of "Heathen Earth") on it:

https://img.discogs.com/RDLoLABgUL_cddQZ0rPI7ZiUxHE=/fit-in/600x901/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2417151-1493698410-4710.jpeg.jpg

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:54 (one week ago) link

I don't think records like Speak Kindly are dull in the slightest

That's an exception, I generally don't like his guitar playing at all.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:54 (one week ago) link

The stuff is still good because songs, but that's mostly in spite of Gillard.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 16:57 (one week ago) link

i think gillard's problem in gbv is that his playing was sympathetic with a lead vocalist who didn't particularly reward that sympathy. tobin and mitch's strategy of drowning the singer out was a much, much better choice. (i say this as a fan, fwiw.)

fact checking cuz, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:04 (one week ago) link

i think gillard's problem in gbv is that his playing was sympathetic with a lead vocalist who didn't particularly reward that sympathy. tobin and mitch's strategy of drowning the singer out was a much, much better choice. (i say this as a fan, fwiw.)

fact checking cuz, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:04 (one week ago) link

GBV and GBS fighting out at the top of the New Answers page.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:06 (one week ago) link

Shmoo loves Throbbing Gristle, who knew? Pollard, that's who.

BrianB, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:08 (one week ago) link

That was a weird show, because it was really hot, and it was scary actually. There were a lot of people there. We were told by riot grrls in Portland that “Sleater-Kinney is going to burn the stage up on you guys.

I guess I remember it being hot, but not dangerously crowded or "scary" (but I also don't remember him throwing beers)!

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:10 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I remember the beers too. It wasn’t a football field though!

calstars, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:12 (one week ago) link

i think gillard's problem in gbv is that his playing was sympathetic with a lead vocalist who didn't particularly reward that sympathy. tobin and mitch's strategy of drowning the singer out was a much, much better choice. (i say this as a fan, fwiw.)

I can hear that. I think my problem with much of his stuff post-Mag Earwhig, say, is the laziness of his vocal melodies - often I just don't find them very compelling.

As for GBV the live band, I've loved shows they've played, I've owned bootlegs that are excruciating to listen to in their sloppiness, I have no desire to see them play for four hours or whatever, but the London shows they played last summer really relit my fire.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:14 (one week ago) link

Oh, don't get me wrong: I'd go to see them live *any time* it happens again.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:10 (one week ago) link

Like, I understand that I am also one of those indie frat boys in some way, but mostly because I believe Pollard is the greatest lyricist of his generation, no contest.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:11 (one week ago) link

LL this this just came into my mailbox and I thought of you...this ship has probably sailed but I think they were just out of that other shirt^^^^ size your friend tried to order? Seems it does comes in a small (I had checked for my daughter who is a fan). There are women's and unisex shirts too

https://stores.portmerch.com/guidedbyvoices/featured-products/womens-tie-dye-groovy-t.html

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:03 (two days ago) link

omg lol -- the shirt for girls has girls on it, smh
i do appreciate the thought :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:12 (two days ago) link

ha true enough

there are others though!

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:15 (two days ago) link


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