Guided By Voices: Classic or Dud?

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I can't find this anywhere. I'd like to know what people think of post-Under The Bushes... stuff especially. Fire away.

Tim Stewart, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

anyone?

Tim Stewart, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's inconsistent, which is what they've always been. Just taking the good tracks off Under the Bushes and all their stuff afterward, though, you can make a wicked good mix Cd! So there are plenty of good tracks. Plenty of bad tracks too. The new one hasn't grown at all on me yet, the vocals sound waay too upfront to me. But I may get used to it.

Matt Riedl (veal), Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Simply the best live rock band today (with Fugazi a close second). Pollard is a one man fab four. Mag Earwhig has some duds but also has "I am A Tree," "Jane of the Waking Universe," "Bulldog Skin," etc...Do the Collapse is great in terms of songwriting, but overproduced...Isolation Drills is perhaps his most personal (at least in terms of lyrics) sad and yet cohesive work, Universal Truths and Cycles is sort of a hybrid of their lofi and major label styles and techniques...it can't touch Bee Thousand or Alien Lanes, but there are still some standout tracks.

For some there is an ethical dilemma in purchasing and supporting further GBV endeavors; that is, will you continue to contribute to the behavior that both enlivens (his creative life) and destroys (his personal life)? Would it still be rock and roll without the cigarettes, booze, and groupies? I have mixed feelings about this, but then again there are worse things than being a martyr for rock and roll.

Ballsy and ALIVE, GBV is "CLASSIC" rock.

Ryan McKay, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

more threads that might interest you...

Ron, Monday, 24 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

ts: emily dickinson vs. robert pollard

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

I played drums in a band that played “motor away” and I was the only one who understood the rhythm. Sigh

calstars, Sunday, 11 April 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link

Wow

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 11 April 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

“I’ll never know…”

calstars, Saturday, 14 October 2023 02:00 (eight months ago) link

eight months pass...

Doug Gilliard kinda ruined this band

Been saying that since 1997

calstars, Friday, 28 June 2024 14:33 (two weeks ago) link

Obviously the albums with him aren't as good as the preceding ones without him. It would be expecting a lot for them to continue at that level. That they didn't always seemed to me to be due to a dip in Pollard songwriting/trying to get bigger as much as Gilliard. Would you be able to elaborate what specifically you think Gilliard did to the band?

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 28 June 2024 14:51 (two weeks ago) link

I’ve never listened to Mag Earwig. I do not like Bulldog Skin, except for the “maximum riffage” part in the video.

brimstead, Friday, 28 June 2024 15:05 (two weeks ago) link

the last two songs on mag earwhig are classic GbV but yeah otherwise what a let down after that all-time run from bee thousand through bob's first solo album

has anyone listened to the new one that came out today?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:13 (two weeks ago) link

I don't like his guitar playing, simple as that.

Blood On Santa's Claw (Tom D.), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:29 (two weeks ago) link

My problem with Gillard is that he plays with all of the swing, improvisation, and feeling of a robot. It's the complete opposite of GBV mark I. Two different bands.

I guess Bob didn't mind and wanted a stable, dedicated musician to continue his project with, and I get that, but to me everything beyond Bushes just sounds like sh1t

calstars, Friday, 28 June 2024 15:35 (two weeks ago) link

this is partially based on me seeing them like a month ago and frankly most of the show was dreadful, did about 10 classics in a 42 song set, but Gilliard began their transition to this ploddy riff rock shit, it was just song after song of this hookless muck. he's just heavy handed and - maybe I shouldn't blame him, I'm sure this is how Pollard wants it to be - it really just kills the spirit of what the band was, this soaring ramshackle midwest burnout dream of british rock

the other obvious thing was tobin leaving which i think over time you can really get an appreciation of what he brought to the band both on guitar and i'm sure helping with some of pollards' songs (and his own)

the whole thing was such a bummer and even worse because everyone seemed to be so invested in pretending we were having fun

Every once in a while I check in on whatever this band is up to and it’s a shrug at best

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:43 (two weeks ago) link

It's definitely down to Pollard, it's what he wanted, like trying to get every rhythm section to play as bombastically and as much like the Who as possible.

Blood On Santa's Claw (Tom D.), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:43 (two weeks ago) link

also pollard's onstage drinking definitely doesn't feel like a fun let's party thing anymore :/

^^^
That was kind of why I was asking, because he doesn't seem to be one to take much input from others. A lot of this seems down to Pollard getting a taste of success with the classic lineup and thinking he could reach another level with a shift in sound, so Gilliard is as much symptom as disease.

xp

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

ums, that was my feeling when I saw the first classic lineup revival in 2011(?) - this is a lot less fun at near 40 than it was in my 20s.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 28 June 2024 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

xpost I think that's maybe a fairer way to put it wrt Gilliard

the other thing, which i know is antithetical to GBV, but you know...maybe if you would have released a lot less albums and done a better job of editing yourself it might have helped?

pollard also seems to have lost his ability to write great choruses. there was one newer song they played that stuck out as a lot better the rest - Rally Boys off Zeppelin Over China, at least it has a decent hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa78df4AQrg

Bob is still drinking on stage ?

calstars, Friday, 28 June 2024 16:31 (two weeks ago) link

about 10 classics in a 42 song set

this has been the gbv live standard for a decade plus now

songs i heard from the new one are good! but it’s also the first time ive paid attention in a while

ivy., Friday, 28 June 2024 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

"Trust Them Now" from Earth Man Blues is a gem.

jmm, Friday, 28 June 2024 16:41 (two weeks ago) link

xpost - first time I'd seen them probably 15 years since this disastrous show St. Paul when the whole band was so fucked up (besides Doug and the drummer) where the other two could barely stand up and the bassist (kid from that one video) kept asking people to get him coke onstage. he also borrowed my friend's bass rig (his band was opening) and blew his speaker by turning every knob to 10

Bob was indeed drinking tall boys out of a cooler onstage

how many did he go through during the show?

calstars, Friday, 28 June 2024 18:59 (two weeks ago) link

i still like the early 00s records especially Earthquake Glue. the post reunion stuff imo is where the quality really divebombs and the hooks can disappear for long stretches, theres no real distinction between GBV and solo pollard anymore. Earth Man Blues kind of stood out to me as the one recent one that manages to string together enough hooks to feel closer to the old stuff.

ciderpress, Friday, 28 June 2024 20:19 (two weeks ago) link

I had a bummer time at the last gbv show I went to too. Lots of bro-ery and embarrassing behavior. I felt like I didn’t belong there. Which is sad bc I totally did. I still enjoy listening to them but the shine doesn’t come from the new stuff. For me.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2024 20:20 (two weeks ago) link

I had a LOT of fun at the 2011 reunion and it has been downhill since then.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2024 20:21 (two weeks ago) link

Midwestern rock n roll jock likes beer. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Anyway I think Bob’s written a shitload of great songs since 96. And I like Gillard too.

Try Crystal Nuns Cathedral or How Do You Spell Heaven for 2 recent-ish consistently fine records.

ColinO, Friday, 28 June 2024 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

Midwestern rock n roll jock likes beer. Can’t say I’m surprised.

Anyway I think Bob’s written a shitload of great songs since 96. And I like Gillard too.

Try Crystal Nuns Cathedral or How Do You Spell Heaven for 2 recent-ish consistently fine records.

Ok, but do you also like king shit and the golden boys? How do you rate propeller?

calstars, Friday, 28 June 2024 21:49 (two weeks ago) link

I like “speak loudly of your volunteer fire department” a lot, that is actually a pretty solid full length imo if a different flavor than the classic GBV

brimstead, Friday, 28 June 2024 22:19 (two weeks ago) link

Midwestern rock n roll jock likes beer. Can’t say I’m surprised.

well yeah no shit they were always known for that, just feels a little different when the white haired elderly gentleman is shuffling around and slurring his words than it did in the 90s

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 29 June 2024 00:02 (one week ago) link

take it to the limit / one more time

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 00:04 (one week ago) link

one of the people I went with said a year before he wasn't drinking onstage anymore but must not have taken

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 29 June 2024 00:07 (one week ago) link

Ok, but do you also like king shit and the golden boys? How do you rate propeller?

Oh for sure. The records from 92-96 are untouchable. I’ve just found a lot to like in his recent albums as well.

ColinO, Saturday, 29 June 2024 00:19 (one week ago) link

“All my life I’ve wanted scissors / not the kind that are so forgiving”

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 01:36 (one week ago) link

Doug is really sick at guitar though, Death of Samantha have some awesome guitar parts. Tobin left, and Bob wanted to be more slick I think. In retrospect its just a drastic shift in the kind of band they were trying to be so personally I'm probably about ready to give many of those late 90s ones another spin and early 2000s onward ones a chance in the first place.

encino morricone (majorairbro), Sunday, 30 June 2024 04:48 (one week ago) link

“I wish I could give a shit / just a little bit / lethargy / lethargy …”

calstars, Sunday, 30 June 2024 04:53 (one week ago) link

flowing just like the days

brimstead, Sunday, 30 June 2024 20:54 (one week ago) link

deliver this message to the one i love the most: i lost all my money to a three hundred pound ghost.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Sunday, 30 June 2024 21:02 (one week ago) link

OTM

Blood On Santa's Claw (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 June 2024 21:03 (one week ago) link

I’ve never listened to Mag Earwig. I do not like Bulldog Skin, except for the “maximum riffage” part in the video.

― brimstead, Friday, June 28, 2024 8:05 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

the last two songs on mag earwhig are classic GbV but yeah otherwise what a let down after that all-time run from bee thousand through bob's first solo album

has anyone listened to the new one that came out today?

― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, June 28, 2024 8:13 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I know Mag Earwhig isn't as solid as any of the albums in the run that directly preceded it, but it absolutely has some classics beyond the last two tracks imo (though I do love those last two tracks -- amazing way to end an album). Sad If I Lost It, Not Behind the Fighter Jet, Choking Tara, The Finest Joke Is Upon Us, Now to War, Jane of the Waking Universe... I feel like the majority of GBV fans would love all or most of those. Even though Mag is the start of the Gillard era, it's a transitional album and in my mind it's more of a piece with what came before it than what came after it.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 03:42 (one week ago) link

LEARNING TO HUNT

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 04:15 (one week ago) link


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