TEARS IN THE TYPING POLL: ILM Artist Poll #114 - BROADCAST (Results Thread)

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TRACKS: 24 ballots; 111 songs
ALBUMS & EPs: 23 ballots; 17 releases

Here's where we came from - Come On Let's POLL - ILM Artist Poll #114 - BROADCAST (Polling and Lobbying Thread)

Thanks to Nag Nag Nag for running the poll, I will be your host for the rollout, plan is

Monday = Albums & EPs
Tuesday-Friday = Tracks

Thanks for the chance to talk about one of my favourite bands for a whole week. See you here this time tomorrow (or a little earlier) for the albums & EPs. [/b]

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 29 May 2022 14:13 (one month ago) link

Yayayay!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 29 May 2022 14:23 (one month ago) link

Shake your earrings

Nabozo, Sunday, 29 May 2022 14:29 (one month ago) link

Here's where I propose a Spotify playlist for the eventual tracks countdown and prematurely post a link at the beginning of the thread. :)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/55SHnwBEbm0xw0z6b3WFB7?si=ecf6f9c05daa481a

(Collaborative playlists are more complex nowadays; I'll share the URL for editing later.)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 01:39 (one month ago) link

PERFECT title!

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 30 May 2022 01:41 (one month ago) link

OK then, let's get this thing going with ALBUMS and EPs

This was always going to be a bit of an odd one, given that two of the band's best albums are compilations of EPs and rarities, so should not be surprised that there are surprises.

17 releases received votes, let's just do all of them. Be ready for some massive jumps in votes.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 11:57 (one month ago) link

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17 Microtronics Vol 1 (2003)
7 Points, 1 Vote

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 11:58 (one month ago) link

not expecting these ones to elicit a lot of discussion tbh, so I will push on.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 12:17 (one month ago) link

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16 Broadcast & The Focus Group - Familiar Shapes & Noises (2010)
13 Points, 1 Vote

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 12:17 (one month ago) link

Oooh, it's on!

These are both pretty great, but I didn't squeeze them onto my ballot. I'm glad others did.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 12:34 (one month ago) link

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15 Roj - The Transactional Dharma of Roj (2009)
31 Points, 3 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 12:36 (one month ago) link

xp this one was! and on mine too.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 12:36 (one month ago) link

Yes! And a wise third party's too, lol!

I think I used the words 'burpy' and 'meandering' in the other thread. Under the right conditions its relative formlessness feels like a positive.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 12:47 (one month ago) link

Yeah, it was the only solo release that felt like it was from the Broadcast world, specifically a late 2000s Broadcast world after Roj left, strangely enough.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:08 (one month ago) link

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14 Pendulum EP (2003)
45 Points, 4 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:09 (one month ago) link

For a bit of contrast, while the thread remains quiet, here's where I (gently) dis something! If I was forced at gunpoint to select a least favourite Broadcast release, I'd probably pick this one. The title track is a slightly stilted thing. And several of the other tracks are significantly less interesting than average. That said, the shorter instrumentals are cool enough, the drumming frequently sounds great and I still voted for at least track IIRC!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 13:38 (one month ago) link

sorry Pendulum is stilted? I might have to ask you to discuss this out in the street sir.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:41 (one month ago) link

There will be ample time for arguments about Pendulum when we reach the tracks poll.

Here's my first "TOO LOW!" of the poll.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:48 (one month ago) link

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13 The Book Lovers EP (1996)
50 Points, 2 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:48 (one month ago) link

I guess #13 bore the brunt of "compilation vs constituent EP" type conundrums.

XXP: I think the "Pendulum" vocal melody rubs me the wrong way. It was not the best advertisement for Haha Sound for me as I like pretty much everything else on it more.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 13:59 (one month ago) link

I guess #13 bore the brunt of "compilation vs constituent EP" type conundrums.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, May 30, 2022 3:59 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I only voted for full lengths because I didn't find time to compare every EP, but I still hesitated in making an exception for the Book Lovers based on what appears in my song ballot.
Anyway, my question: is it not an EP in its own right ? why compilation ?

Nabozo, Monday, 30 May 2022 14:11 (one month ago) link

it's true, I imagine voting for 50% of Work And Non Work and then also voting for all of Work And Non Work may seem excessive, but I really love these four (or six) tracks.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 14:12 (one month ago) link

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12 Microtronics 1 & 2 (2003/2005, released together March 2022)
89 Point, 9 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 14:28 (one month ago) link

I mean

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12 Microtronics 1 & 2 (2003/2005, released together March 2022)
89 Point, 9 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 14:28 (one month ago) link

Discogs suggests there were 2500 The Book Lovers CDs in addition to 2000 12"s. I think I imagined strictly vinyl for that one, for some reason. I waited for the convenience of W&NW so I'm hopelessly under-informed and uncool. My vote went that way too!

XP! I went for the combined Microtronics 1 & 2 too, if only to squeeze more stuff onto a ballot!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 14:34 (one month ago) link

Fun fact I only noticed via the BMI/ASCAP site in recent weeks is that Cargill gets sole composition credits for Microtronics. All of them, IIRC.

I like them quite a lot. When I used to write silly things on RYM, back around the time they came out, I definitely claimed that the first volume was my new favourite Broadcast release. I can't quite remember whether I was entirely serious at that instant!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 14:54 (one month ago) link

Quite a mixed bag, but everything is kept very short, I suppose it's essentially just unused ideas. Some parts are brilliant, we may find one in the tracks poll, who knows?

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:02 (one month ago) link

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11 Berberian Sound Studio (2013)
91 Points, 10 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:04 (one month ago) link

I have done it again

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:05 (one month ago) link

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11 Berberian Sound Studio (2013)
91 Points, 10 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:05 (one month ago) link

I really should watch this again. Can barely remember how the cues worked in context. A bunch of them, at least, are pretty groovy in isolation.

I must sleep. I look forward to reading the thrilling conclusion in the morning!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 30 May 2022 15:30 (one month ago) link

I have never seen it, might give it a go.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:43 (one month ago) link

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10 Extended Play Two (2000)
118 Points, 7 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:46 (one month ago) link

should really post these two together. Here's our first first place vote!

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:56 (one month ago) link

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9 Extended Play (2000)
132 Points, 6 Votes, 1 First Place Vote

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:56 (one month ago) link

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8 Mother Is The Milky Way (2009)
176 Points, 15 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 16:27 (one month ago) link

I was disappointed that the reissue of Mother Is the Milky Way changed the artwork. Did the original violate some copyright?

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 30 May 2022 17:59 (one month ago) link

Is this the original or the re-release? It's the one on Discogs anyway.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:09 (one month ago) link

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7 The Future Crayon (2006)
194 Points, 14 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:09 (one month ago) link

I didn't really know Mother Is The Milky Way well until the recent reissue. It's a cool release. I also bought the Microtronics reissue which I hadn't heard before. I'm not sure it'll get regular plays but there were some nice moments.

The Book Lovers is a contender for the greatest EP of all time. Maybe just ahead of Stereolab's Fluorescences from the same time.

kitchen person, Monday, 30 May 2022 18:10 (one month ago) link

I remember being stuck working in a deserted bookshop in Southampton once and the only CDs I had were The Book Lovers, Flourescences and Miss Modular. It was a pretty good day.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:28 (one month ago) link

Is this the original or the re-release? It's the one on Discogs anyway.


The image above is the original, this is the reissue:
https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1161629311_16.jpg
The grid of multiple exposures looks like the kind of thing you do with a compilation when you're not sure what else to do; it makes less of an impression.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:46 (one month ago) link

yeah, agreed, less good.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:49 (one month ago) link

...and here's a new entry straight in at number six

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:50 (one month ago) link

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6 Maida Vale Sessions (2022)
239 Points, 13 Votes

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 18:50 (one month ago) link

I guess that Future Crayon votes were pretty much split between the album and the constituent EPs, but I do think it holds up as a gorgeous sprawling monolith in its own right. Probably slightly more Trish-lite than most of the other 'big' albums though.

Maida Vale might be a very recent release but it's so satisfying how it unifies three distinct eras of Broadcast. There's also something really massively on-brand about engaging with them via evening radio broadcasts heard at a 25 year remove.

technopolis, Monday, 30 May 2022 19:22 (one month ago) link

Yeah as a container of tracks that i voted for individually, Future Crayon could have been my number #1 release vote, I sortof wish it was now. Its majestic record, I vastly prefer it to Work and non work. Pendulum has always seemed a bit of an oddity for them with its conventionally heavy Loop / Can psych type groove and does that wonderful Broadcast trick of synthesising something you already love and immediately making the source material pale a bit in comparison. Well, perhaps not the Can part.

The progression through the maida vale sessions one is just a delight, the last side absolutely slays me. I wonder if anyone else voted for the Nico cover in the end.

cw, Monday, 30 May 2022 20:09 (one month ago) link

Personally I find Future Crayon to be a bit of a slog, although I ranked it. I've never heard the constituent EPs and singles and imagine I'd prefer them.

The 3-inch Microtronics CDs are really fun, even if the cases break when you touch them. I bought the LP reissue and it sounds quite nice; when preparing for this poll I listened to both. (The Microtronics artwork looks a little pixilated on the LP sleeve; I wonder if the reason they changed the Mother Is the Milky Way art is because they didn't have a high-res source for the original.)

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 30 May 2022 20:58 (one month ago) link

Oh hey happy to see the Maida Vale sessions so high in here.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 May 2022 21:56 (one month ago) link

sorry, that was an unplanned break. anyway

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 30 May 2022 22:00 (one month ago) link

Nag! Nag! Nag! at 11:00 3 Jun 22
Definitely!
And also to Camaraderie at Arms Length, for outlining the findings of this study so elegantly!
Thanks Nag! Nag! Nag! for tracking me down on Twitter to do this after I hadn't been on ILM for half a year or so, it was worth coming back for.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 3 June 2022 22:23 (four weeks ago) link

It's funny: I'm not sure I could track down all that many ILX0Rs out in the wild. But having been digging Centuries of Sound for ages, you were straightforward! :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 3 June 2022 22:35 (four weeks ago) link

Hopefully I've not screwed anything up...


FULL RESULTS
Pts Vts #1s

1 Come On Let's Go TNMBP 660 22 4
2 Echo's Answer Echo's Answ 645 22 1
3 Ominous Cloud Ha Ha Sound 576 21 1
4 Pendulum Pendulum 563 19 0
5 Unchanging Window 526 18 3
- UW/Chord Simple Ext. Play 2 331 11 2
- UW TNMBP 195 7 1
6 The Book Lovers The Book Lo 506 21 1
7 Before We Begin Ha Ha Sound 466 20 0
8 Tears In The Typing Pool Tender Butt 445 19 1
9 Black Cat Tender Butt 437 17 3
10 Man Is Not A Bird Ha Ha Sound 436 18 1
11 Where Youth and Laughter Go Extended Pla 413 20 0
12 Message From Home The Book Lo 412 18 0
13 Corporeal Tender Butt 405 17 2
14 I Found The F Tender Butt 377 16 1
15 Papercuts Ext. Play 367 16 0
16 The Be Colony B&TFGIWCOTRA 362 18 0
17 Colour Me In Ha Ha Sound 360 16 0
18 Until Then TNMBP 357 15 1
19 Michael A Grammar Tender Butt 343 16 0
20 America's Boy Tender Butt 328 14 0
21 Accidentals Accidentals 324 14 0
22 Lights Out NME C96 322 15 0
23 Lunch Hour Pops Ha Ha Sound 317 14 0
24 Winter Now Ha Ha Sound 302 15 0
25 Goodbye Girls Tender Butt 297 12 0
26 Poem Of Dead Song Ext. Play 2 291 17 0
27 City In Progress TNMBP 260 16 0
28 Illumination Ext. Play 2 247 14 0
29 Look Outside TNMBP 245 13 0
30 Living Room Living Room 235 11 0
31 You Can Fall TNMBP 226 12 0
32 Subject To the Ladder Tender Butt 224 15 0
33 The World Backwards The Book Lo 223 10 0
34 Minim Ha Ha Sound 217 15 0
35 Valerie Ha Ha Sound 214 11 0
36 According To No Plan The Book Lo 210 11 0
37 Arc Of A Journey Tender Butt 206 12 1
38 Tender Buttons Tender Butt 201 10 0
39 Still Feels Like Tears Pendulum 199 11 0
40 We've Got Time Accidentals 199 10 0
41 Hawk Ha Ha Sound 186 12 1
42 Long Was The Year TNMBP 181 14 0
43 Forget Every Time BBC Session 159 10 0
44 Sixty Forty BBC Session 159 8 1
45 Phantom Living Room 152 10 0
46 Hammer Without A Master We Are Reaso 144 11 0
47 Inside Out Familiar Sha 137 7 1
48 I See, So I See So B&TFGIWCOTRA 135 9 0
49 In Here The World Begins MITMW 130 11 0
50 You And Me In Time Tender Butt 124 11 0
51 Dave's Dream Ext. Play 123 7 0
52 Ritual / Looking In B&TFGIWCOTRA 114 6 0
53 Make My Sleep His Song B&TFGIWCOTRA 113 7 0
54 Distant Call Come On Let 91 6 0
55 Test Area Echo's Answ 82 4 0
56 O How I Miss You Ha Ha Sound 70 5 0
57 Mother’s Milk Means Music MITMW 63 4 0
58 Small Song IV Pendulum 61 4 0
59 Elegant Elephant MITMW 60 5 0
60 'What You Want/Dulcimer Jam Live ~2010 55 4 0
61 The Aphid Sleeps MITMW 54 4 0
62 Teresa, Lark of Ascension Berberian So 52 5 0
63 The Equestrian Vortex Berberian So 48 4 0
64 Belly Dance Tender Butt 45 3 0
65 The Little Bell Ha Ha Sound 44 3 0
66 A Seancing Song B&TFGIWCOTRA 42 2 0
67 A Man For Atlantis Ext. Play 2 41 3 0
68 What I Saw B&TFGIWCOTRA 37 3 0
69 Let it Begin/Oh Joy B&TFGIWCOTRA 36 3 0
70 I'm Just A Person In This R MITMW 35 2 0
=71 The Be Colony/Dashing Home/ B&TFGIWCOTRA 32 2 0
=71 A Quiet Moment B&TFGIWCOTRA 32 2 0
=73 Dead The Long Year TNMBP 31 3 0
=73 Bit 35 Tender Butt 31 3 0
75 Microtronics 04 M'tronics 1 29 2 0
76 Chord Simple Come On Let 28 4 0
77 Locusts Come On Let 27 3 0

78 I Found The End Tender Butt 26 1 0
79 Winter Sun Wavelengths Live ~2010 25 1 0
80 Violent Playground Pendulum 24 2 0
81 Avril - Be Yourself REMIX 19 1 0
82 Tower Of Our Tuning TNMBP 18 2 0
83 Libra, the Mirror's Minor S B&TFGIWCOTRA 18 1 0
84 Prefuse73 vs Broadcast - An REMIX 18 1 0
85 St. Etienne - Angel REMIX 17 3 0
86 Drums On Fire Ext. Play 2 17 1 0
87 Tuesday's Offering Familiar Sha 16 3 0
88 Eyes Open Live ~2010 16 1 0
89 Badly Drawn Boy - Another P REMIX 15 1 0
90 Minus 3 Tender Butt 14 1 0
91 Minus One TNMBP 13 2 0
92 One Hour Empire Pendulum 13 1 0
93 Microtronics 05 M'tronics v.1 12 1 0
94 We Are After All Here B&TFGIWCOTRA 10 1 0
95 Miki Furukawa - Coffee REMIX 7 1 0
96 Microtronics 19 M'tronics v.2 7 1 0
97 Our Darkest Sabbath Berberian So 7 1 0
98 Microtronics 11 M'tronics v.1 7 1 0
99 One Million Years Ago B&TFGIWCOTRA 6 1 0
100 Microtronics 20 M'tronics v.2 6 1 0
101 The Sea & Cake - Interiors REMIX 6 1 0
102 DDL All Tomorrow's 6 1 0
103 Microtronics 02 M'tronics v.1 6 1 0
104 Children Of Alice - The Lim Children of A 5 1 0
105 Microtronics 07 M'tronics v.1 5 1 0
106 Microtronics 12 M'tronics v.2 5 1 0
107 Microtronics 06 M'tronics v.1 5 1 0
108 Microtronics 13 M'tronics v.2 5 1 0

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 3 June 2022 22:43 (four weeks ago) link

Okay, there were obviously a few ties there at the bottom not marked as such, but I'm sure you get the gist!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 3 June 2022 23:17 (four weeks ago) link

Interesting that 7 other tracks placed higher though TB was the top-rated overall album.

The margins were so modest that I wonder if it's not more useful to think of the album result as a kinda sorta three-way tie. eg. TB appeared on fewer ballots and was mostly in third place before the deadline extension.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 3 June 2022 23:22 (four weeks ago) link

Perfect. The poll and images were a work of art in themselves. Well done, really, thanks. Lots of fun.
Echo’s Answer is lovely and again very high in my poll. Reminds me a lot of VU’s incredible Ocean.
Come on Let’s Go. Well, it has stuck around in my head waking up a lot in these last few weeks. On listening again it is one of those Broadcast songs that really do it all 10 out of 10. It’s all there.
Maybe as acknowledged above, Until Then has been robbed a little bit of what I think should have been a top 5 finish. Again, there’s a VU thing going on. Trish’s vocal melody and the bass, I think is kinda heartbreaking. I think my shoegaze love may have swayed me to vote this number 1, but it’s so pretty. And odd.

kraudive, Friday, 3 June 2022 23:52 (four weeks ago) link

It's possible no-one was wondering but these appear to be all the officially-released non-film-score-nor-gallery-project Broadcast tracks attracting zero votes.


Misc NME Presents...
Microtronics 01 Microtronics v.1
Microtronics 03 Microtronics v.1
Microtronics 08 Microtronics v.1
Microtronics 09 Microtronics v.1
Microtronics 10 Microtronics v.1
Minus Two Pendulum
Black Umbrellas Haha Sound
Distorsion Haha Sound
Stupido Haha Sound (JPN)
Microtronics 14 Microtronics v.2
Microtronics 15 Microtronics v.2
Microtronics 16 Microtronics v.2
Microtronics 17 Microtronics v.2
Microtronics 18 Microtronics v.2
Microtronics 21 Microtronics v.2
Clark/Broadcast - Herr Bar Clark digi. release
The Projects - Accidents W REMIX
Intro/Magnetic Tales B&TFGIWCOTRA
How Do You Get Along Sir? B&TFGIWCOTRA
Will You Read Me B&TFGIWCOTRA
Reception/Group Therapy B&TFGIWCOTRA
You Must wake B&TFGIWCOTRA
Oh You Chatterbox B&TFGIWCOTRA
Drug Party B&TFGIWCOTRA
Love's Long Listen-in B&TFGIWCOTRA
A Medium's High B&TFGIWCOTRA
Royal Chant B&TFGIWCOTRA
Round and Round and Round B&TFGIWCOTRA
Creation Day The Travel Fl MITMW
Through The Gates Of Yeste MITMW
Milling Around The Village MITMW
Growing Backwards MITMW
Never Trust A Rusty Bolt MITMW
Innocence In Orbit MITMW
The Song Before Familiar Shapes &
Gonjasufi - The Caliph's T REMIX

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 4 June 2022 01:42 (four weeks ago) link

thanks for the rollout experience NNN & CaAL - Broadcast one of my most listened-to bands but i have a very poor sense of individual tracks - i'll often be playing one of their albums and feel like i'm hearing a song for the first time even though that is not possible - like i go into a semi-trance state when i'm listening - sometimes i think it is because i have noticed some small detail of the arrangement which has completely altered the way the song hits my ears - very nice to focus on some of these individually and read some of the well-curated reflections

Come On Let's Go a worthy winner, not just a lovely pop song but that sense of leaving the party to do your own thing is a very nice sentiment that also seems to vibe with Broadcast vs the indie pop mainstream

reading all this reminded me of a few (to me) intriguing bits and bobs from when i was devouring all the Broadcast bits i could find -

- in a few interviews between Future Crayon and Witch Cults they mention getting really into improvisation - eg here they talk about recording with Steve Beresford and collaborating with Gas Shepherds - some other mentions of Gas Shepherds here and there online. I wonder if any of these sessions were actually released, or might yet be.

- in this interview Trish talks about doing some music for a show at MOMA - I seem to remember having MP3s of this from the torrent days, but not sure if I still have them - is this a real memory?

- there are also a few mentions of Trish having a poem and/or story published in a literary magazine called The High Horse - would love to chase this down one day

the life of a rebo band is always intense (emsworth), Saturday, 4 June 2022 03:06 (four weeks ago) link

My first thought was the MoMA tracks were these, for Doug Aitken:
https://www.discogs.com/release/6449434-Doug-Aitken-Sleepwalkers

The venue at cited at discogs doesn't match, but this seems to suggest it's the same thing:
https://www.moma.org/collection/works/117949

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 4 June 2022 03:50 (four weeks ago) link

I had no idea Ominous Cloud would place so high. I was the third #1 for Black Cat. Papercuts is the highest track I didn't vote for (from a top 30 ballot).
Fantastic poll, my head will be full of Broadcast waves for a pleasant while. Many thanks to Nag! and Camaraderie.

Nabozo, Saturday, 4 June 2022 04:57 (four weeks ago) link

Love your Tender Butt

Nabozo, Saturday, 4 June 2022 04:58 (four weeks ago) link

Thanks for such an enjoyable read over the past few days!

Maresn3st, Saturday, 4 June 2022 09:12 (four weeks ago) link

I didn’t vote, too difficult, but have very much enjoyed the rollout. Though inevitably it was tinged with sadness at knowing how much more Trish could have achieved, even more so than other polls.

FWIW ‘Ominous Cloud’ would’ve been my #1.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 4 June 2022 09:19 (four weeks ago) link

Broadcast are one of those bands for the 'I've tried but never stuck' thread for me, but a bit of context and conversation does wonders and I've enjoyed picking through the catalogue over the last couple of days. By jove, I might just be getting it...

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 4 June 2022 10:00 (four weeks ago) link

One of those interviews emsworth linked to answers at least one of my questions about The Future Crayon in the other thread. Trish agreed with CaAL, basically!

As far as I can think there are only two tracks that weren’t included. To be honest, we would have included those two tracks, which are Misc. and Stupido – Stupido was an extra track for the Japan release of Haha Sound and Misc. was off a cassette for the NME – but we just thought they were crap. So it isn’t quite everything, but almost…98% of what isn’t on the albums is on The Future Crayon.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 4 June 2022 10:13 (four weeks ago) link

Think we are both a bit harsh on Misc, it's not that it's actively bad, just kind of throwaway and unremarkable. Along similar lines it's a shame the Minuses didn't get more attention, Minus 3 in particular (originally titled "Evil is Coming") is a classic bit of BBC radiophonics horror.

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 4 June 2022 10:40 (four weeks ago) link

Thanks NNN, CaAL and other participants - always interested to read how others have engaged with Broadcast, and gorgeous images throughout. Relative lack of consensus around 'the hits' seems reasonable given that there are no wrong answers here.

technopolis, Saturday, 4 June 2022 12:00 (four weeks ago) link

“Ominous Cloud” just kept getting pushed higher and higher up in placement the more I listened to it. “Though you said goodbye/You did not leave my mind” are probably the best words Trish could’ve left us.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 4 June 2022 12:50 (four weeks ago) link

Anyone want to post their ballot, etc?

I for one am in the mood for one last shout-out to selections that didn't make the 77. There were just the two:

85. St. Etienne - Angel (Broadcast Remix) - 17 points, 3 votes
104. Children Of Alice - The Liminal Space - 5 points, 1 votes

I was all alone with Children of Alice. A certain streaming platform has been foisting the lengthy The Harbinger of Spring on me for a month now, in response to all the Broadcast, and has convinced me that that was probably a better choice of track. I had been underrating that whole comp methinks. It's been a less immediate thing than The Focus Group or Roj by themselves. Which is perhaps some sort of achievement in itself lol.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 4 June 2022 13:18 (four weeks ago) link

Western® with Bacon Flavor, did we see a ballot from you in the end? Hopefully I merely failed to match it to your screen name, if so...

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 4 June 2022 13:38 (four weeks ago) link

my ballot

Tracks RANKED - but could only manage 30 fsr

Black Cat
Lunch Hour Pops
Dave's Dream
Message From Home
Belly Dance
Poem Of Dead Song
Echo's Answer
The Be Colony
Ominous Cloud
Until Then
Accidentals
Michael A Grammar
America's Boy
Hawk
Tears In The Typing Pool
Valerie
Illumination
I Found The F
Man Is Not A Bird
Paper Cuts
Make My Sleep His Song
Hammer Without A Master
Minim
Inside Out
Before We Begin
A Man For Atlantis
Minus One
Subject To The Ladder
You And Me In Time
The Book Lovers

Albums & EPs RANKED

Extended Play 1
Tender Buttons
Haha Sound
Extended Play 2
The Noise Made By People
Broadcast & The Focus Group Investigate Witch Cults Of The Radio Age
Work And Non Work

nashwan, Saturday, 4 June 2022 14:07 (four weeks ago) link

80. Violent playground
91. Minus one

Were my two that missed the parade. I think i decided early on that 2 mad drum tracks were required to leaven the tunefulness elsewhere, I'm glad Hammer without a master made it on.

I'm not sure the formatting of my ballot would survive pasting here...

Come on lets go was my number 8, it is flawless pop moment and Is elevated , I think in a similar way to the left banke's wonderful She might call you up tonight, by the weirdly equivocal lyrics, you never quite get to the bottom of the dynamic your hearing in this ostensible love song do you?

Arc of a journey was my number one. It was a relatively recent realisation that this is unassailable for me, i find the melody breath-taking and the twinkling bed of crunchy electronics irresistible. Utopian space pop perfection.

I liked Children of Alice a lot without it ever getting to quite the level where i would be nominating it here. Does anybody know if there is anything to be expected from James in the near future? It would be so great to hear.

Thanks again to Nag & CAAL for all this, been great!

cw, Saturday, 4 June 2022 14:33 (four weeks ago) link

Xxp I got a confirmation email so I hope so!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 4 June 2022 14:38 (four weeks ago) link

40 tracks ranked:

Corporeal
Papercuts
America's Boy
Echo's Answer
Lunch Hour Pops
Come On Let's Go
According to No Plan
Tender Buttons
Accidentals
Make My Sleep His Song
Pendulum
Still Feels Like Tears
Illumination
Inside Out
In Here the World Begins
Unchanging Window / Chord Simple
Man is Not a Bird
Black Cat
Mother's Milk Means Music (At Home in the Universe)
Distant Call
Goodbye Girls
Libra, the Mirror's Minor Self
Hammer Without a Master
Hawk
Michael A Grammar
Poem of Dead Song
The Be Colony/Dashing Home/What on Earth Took You?
Arc of a Journey
Before We Begin
Sixty Forty (Peel Session)
The Book Lovers
Minim
The Be Colony
Long Was the Year
Forget Every Time (Peel Session)
Valerie
Teresa, Lark of Ascension
Look Outside
Angel (Broadcast Mix) [Saint Etienne]
Winter Now

10 albums/EPs ranked:

Tender Buttons
Haha Sound
The Noise Made By People
Broadcast and the Focus Group Investigate Witch Cults of the Radio Age
Work and Non Work
The Future Crayon
Maida Vale Sessions
Mother is the Milky Way
Berberian Sound Studio
Microtronics: Volumes 1 & 2

I twiddled with and resubmitted my ballot multiple times; thanks for patience with this. Reached the conclusion that ranking the top 5 albums is a bit futile as they're all perfectly-formed discrete entities. But here we are.

technopolis, Saturday, 4 June 2022 14:58 (four weeks ago) link

Albums:
1. Tender Buttons
2. The Noise Made by People
3. Haha Sound
4. Work and Non Work
5. The Future Crayon
6. Mother is the Milky Way
7. Broad and the Focus Group Investigate....

Songs:
1. Unchanging Window/Chord Simple
2. Ominous Cloud
3. You Can Fall
4. I Found the F
5. Colour Me In
6. Lunch Hour Pops
7. Look Outside
8. Lights Out
9. Black Cat
10. Winter Now
11. Tears in the Typing Pool
12. Accidentals
13. Until Then
14. Pendulum
15. Poem of Dead Song
16. Come On Let's Go
17. America's Boy
18. We've Got Time
19. Minim
20. Echo's Answer
21. Corporeal
22. Long Was the Year
23. Before We Begin
24. City in Progress
25. Dead the Long Year
26. Bit 35
27. Tower of Our Tuning
28. You and Me in Time
29. O How I Miss You
30. Tender Buttons
31. Still Feels Like Tears
32. Paper Cuts
33. Goodbye Girls
34. Arc of a Journey
35. The Book Lovers
36. Sixty Forty
37. The Be Colony
38. Michael A Grammar
39. Where Youth and Laughter Go
40. Chord Simple

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 4 June 2022 15:19 (four weeks ago) link

Thanks CAAL and Na, Nag Nag, it's been fun following this thread - have been busy so unfortunately didn't contribute much but I'm planning on catching up with the playlist and the videos.

My ranked ballot, 40 tracks:
1. The Book Lovers
Come On Let's Go
Before We Begin
Message From Home
I Found the F
Where Youth and Laughter Go
America's Boy
Echo's Answer
Pendulum
Tears in the Typing Pool
Man Is Not a Bird
Black Cat
Unchanging Window/Chord Simple
Ominous Cloud
Colour Me In
Living Room
City in Progress (BBC Session version)
Look Outside
Accidentals
Poem of Dead Song
The Be Colony
Subject to the Ladder
Until Then
According to No Plan
Goodbye Girls
Long Was the Year
Make My Sleep His Song
Corporeal
Lunch Hour Pops
Minus 3
Forget Every Time
Winter Now
Phantom
You and Me in Time
Still Feels Like Tears
Michael A Grammar
Arc of a Journey
Illumination
The World Backwards
Hawk

LPs/EPs:
1. Tender Buttons
Haha Sound
Work and Non-Work
The Noise Made by People
Maida Vale Sessions
Broadcast and the Focus Group Investigate Witch Cults of the Radio Age
The Future Crayon
Berberian Sound Studio

Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 4 June 2022 15:41 (four weeks ago) link

I really enjoyed preparing my ballot and the subsequent rollout. Thanks NNN and CaAL!

Tracks, ranked:

Tears in the Typing Pool
Ominous Cloud
Corporeal
Lunch Hour Pops
Unchanging Window
Michael A. Grammar
The Be Colony
Man Is Not a Bird
Echo’s Answer
I Found the F
Come on Let’s Go
America’s Boy
I Found the End
Black Cat
Papercuts
City in Progress
Poem of Dead Song
Goodbye Girls
Pendulum
Subject to the Ladder
I See, So I See So
Colour Me In
The Book Lovers
Tender Buttons
In Here the World Begins
Let It Begin/Oh Joy
Microtronics 04
Lights Out
We’ve Got Time
Illumination
Microtronics 11
Elegant Elephant
Ritual/Looking In
Microtronics 02
Distant Call
Microtronics 06
Microtronics 13

Albums/EPs/comps, ranked:

Tender Buttons
HaHa Sound
The Noise Made By People
Microtronics
Work and Non-Work
Mother Is the Milky Way
The Future Crayon
Investigate Witch Cults of the Radio Age
Berberian Sound Studio

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 4 June 2022 19:20 (four weeks ago) link

Belated thanks to Nag and Camaraderie for the rollout!

My ballot was pretty last-minute so I quickly threw together my 15 fav tracks and 5 albums. Definitely part of the late wave of Tender Buttons love:

Tracks
1. Corporeal
2. Ominous Cloud
3. Arc Of A Journey
4. Goodbye Girls
5. Tears In the Typing Pool
6. Come On Let’s Go
7. Man Is Not A Bird
8. America’s Boy
9. Michael A Grammar
10. Before We Begin
11. Hawk
12. In Here the World Begins
13. Black Cat
14. Message From Home
15. Subject To the Ladder

LPs/EPs
1. Tender Buttons
2. Haha Sound
3. The Noise Made By People
4. Mother Is the Milky Way
5. Work & Non-Work

J. Sam, Saturday, 4 June 2022 21:08 (four weeks ago) link

Western® with Bacon Flavor: just confirming, we have a definitely column in our spreadsheet exactly corresponding to the ballot you posted above. :) *panic attack subsides*

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 5 June 2022 00:04 (three weeks ago) link

Er, "definitely have a column" that is. o_0

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 5 June 2022 00:06 (three weeks ago) link

I suspect I'll be quietly returning to this thread for quite some for the various links and recommendations, etc. Thanks everyone.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 5 June 2022 00:24 (three weeks ago) link

Glad to hear! And thank you and CaAL for putting this on! Now to dig into all the image source material.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 5 June 2022 00:30 (three weeks ago) link

TRACKS

Sixty Forty
Living Room
The Book Lovers
Echo's Answer
Message From Home
Lights Out
Before We Begin
Until Then
Come On Let's Go
Colour Me In
Tears In The Typing Pool
Look Outside
Pendulum
Illumination
Where Youth and Laughter Go
Forget Every Time
Poem Of Dead Song
Minim
Long Was The Year
America's Boy

LPs and EPs

Work and Non Work
Maida Vale Sessions
The Noise Made by People
Haha Sound
The Future Crayon

gman59, Sunday, 5 June 2022 02:04 (three weeks ago) link

“Ominous Cloud” just kept getting pushed higher and higher up in placement the more I listened to it. “Though you said goodbye/You did not leave my mind” are probably the best words Trish could’ve left us.

― Western® with Bacon Flavor,

Absolutely the same for me. It started in my top 20 but ended up top three. A beautifully uplifting song.

Beautiful results and lots of great writing about such a wonderful band.

kitchen person, Sunday, 5 June 2022 02:51 (three weeks ago) link

My ballot:

1. The Book Lovers
Come On Let's Go
Ominous Cloud
Message From Home
I Found The F
Papercuts
Living Room
Echo's Answer
Look Outside
Subject To the Ladder
The World Backwards
Where Youth and Laughter Go
Lunch Hour Pops
Black Cat
Before We Begin
Goodbye Girls
Colour Me In
We've Got Time
America's Boy
Accidentals
Poem Of Dead Song
Phantom
According To No Plan
Michael A Grammar
Until Then
Lights Out
Man Is Not A Bird
You And Me In Time
Arc Of A Journey
Oh How I Miss You
Tears In The Typing Pool
Unchanging Window
Winter Now
You Can Fall
Minim
City In Progress
Corporeal
Long Was The Year
Chord Simple
40. Illumination

Albums/EPs

1. Work & Non Work
Tender Buttons
The Noise Made By People
Haha Sound
The Book Lovers EP
Maida Vale Sessions
The Future Crayon
Extended Play 2 EP
Pendulum
10. Mother Is The Milky Way

kitchen person, Sunday, 5 June 2022 02:54 (three weeks ago) link

I’d describe my Broadcast taste as “basic”:

Tracks

Black Cat
Valerie
Pendulum
Echo's Answer
Corporeal
Tender Buttons
Unchanging Window
The Book Lovers
A Seancing Song
Ominous Cloud
Come On Let's Go
The Be Colony
Before We Begin
Where Youth and Laughter Go
Winter Now
Small Song IV
Elegant Elephant
According to No Plan
I Found the F
Poem of Dead Song
Let It Begin / Oh Joy
Tears in the Typing Pool
Colour Me In
In Here the World Begins
Message From Home
Forget Every Time
Minim
What I Saw
Living Room
We Are After All Here
We've Got Time
Accidentals
Distant Call
Papercuts
Chord Simple
Bit 35
Phantom
Ritual / Looking In
A Quiet Moment
Mother's Milk Means Music (At Home in the Universe)


LPs and EPs

HaHa Sound
Tender Buttons
Witch Cults of the Radio Age
The Noise Made by People
Mother is the Milky Way
Maida Vale Sessions
The Future Crayon
Work and Non-Work
Berberian Sound Studio
Microtronics 1 & 2

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 5 June 2022 03:41 (three weeks ago) link

based on yr polling submissions, we're all "basic" broadcast fans!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 5 June 2022 03:57 (three weeks ago) link

Morvern Callar OST, never seen it

CaAL by way of repaying your efforts here, can I please urge you - violently - to see this brilliant film

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 5 June 2022 05:06 (three weeks ago) link

Basicness may be under-rated. Even though I enjoyed advocating for the messiness of Witch Cults at al as long-playing experiences, the individual tracks I actually plucked out for a ballot were still overwhelmingly 'pop' ones, or at least pretty and/or propulsive ones that stood up well in isolation.

My ballot existed mainly as a playlist so I'll make this public for a bit: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3N6zPhyqhBOhmnU5mzavSS (Approximately this, from early April, plus "Dulcimer Jam" somewhere in the middle.)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 5 June 2022 06:08 (three weeks ago) link

Er, "Witch Cults et al".

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 5 June 2022 06:10 (three weeks ago) link

“Basic” fan kinda sums me up. I’ve enjoyed the big albums over the years and have heard things like Be Colony and BSS but didn’t think I could rank favorites. This poll will be fantastic for doing a deeper dive though.

Chris L, Sunday, 5 June 2022 10:14 (three weeks ago) link

Been away for the weekend, good to see so many of you enjoyed the rollout. IMO a "basic" fan would be into the more famous tracks from TNMBP, Papercuts, perhaps a couple of earlier or later tracks - and I can see no ballots along those lines at all, matt you even have A Seancing Song at #9! (and I will try to find a slot for a Morvern Callar viewing)

Here's my ballot, I would recommend the non-placing remixes btw!

Tracks

Ominous Cloud
Phantom
Ritual / Looking In
Where Youth & Laughter Go
Forget Every Time
The World Backwards
Come On Let's Go
You Can Fall
Message From Home
Papercuts
According To No Plan
Unchanging Window / Chord Simple
Before We Begin
We've Got Time
Winter Now
Echo's Answer
The Book Lovers
Illumination
Michael A Grammar
Test Area
Avril - Be Yourself (Remixed by Broadcast)
Minim
Man Is Not A Bird
I See, So I See So
Badly Drawn Boy - Another Pearl (Broadcast Remix)
The Be Colony
Poem of Dead Song
Microtronics 05
Inside Out
City In Progress
Living Room
Hammer Without A Master
Locusts
Miki Furukawa - Coffee & Singing Girl!!! (Broadcast Remix)
Belly Dance
Dave's Dream
One Million Years Ago
Dead The Long Year
Hawk
Long Was The Year

LPs & EPs

Investigate Witch Cults of the Radio Age
Work and Non Work
The Book Lovers
Extended Play
Extended Play Two
Microtronics
The Noise Made By People
Haha Sound
The Transactional Dharma of Roj
Maida Vale Sessions

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 5 June 2022 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

Great roll-out and a pleasure to follow the discussion - thank you everyone, especially CaAL and N!N!N! for making this happen.

TRACKS
1 Come on let’s go
2 Before we begin
3 Michael a grammar
4 Man is not a bird
5 Unchanging Window/Chord simple
6 Corporeal
7 Lights out
8 The book lovers
9 Paper Cuts
10 Pendulum
11 Tears in the typing pool
12 Long was the year
13 Valerie
14 Echo’s answer
15 The Be Colony
16 Subject to the ladder
17 Lunch Hour Pops
18 America’s Boy
19 Black Cat
20 Ominous Cloud
21 Still feels like tears
22 Goodbye Girls
23 Colour me in
24 Where youth and laughter go
25 Winter now
26 “I See, so I see so”
27 The Little Bell
28 I found the F
29 Hammer without a master
30 Minim
31 Arc of a journey
32 Make my sleep his song
33 In Here the World Begins
34 Message from home
35 What I saw
36 Dave’s Dream
37 A Man for Atlantis
38 The Equestrian Vortex
39 According to no plan
40 O How I miss you


ALBUMS
1 Ha Ha Sound
2 Tender Buttons
3 The Noise made by People
4 Broadcast and the Focus Group Investigate Witch Cults of the Radio Age
5 Work and Non-Work
6 The Future Crayon
7 Mother is the Milky Way

woof, Monday, 6 June 2022 10:10 (three weeks ago) link

I had a lovely afternoon yesterday reading and listening through much of the Spotify playlist, starting at the top.

Maresn3st, Monday, 6 June 2022 10:27 (three weeks ago) link

Yep, excellent work guys - threads like this refresh my faith in ILM :)

Piedie Gimbel, Monday, 6 June 2022 10:41 (three weeks ago) link

my mixed ballot!

Ranked
Come On Let’s Go
The Book Lovers
Before We Begin
City In Progress
Goodbye Girls
Man Is Not A Bird
The World Backwards
Black Cat
Where Youth And Laughter Go
Paper Cuts
America’s Boy
Unchanging Window / Chord Simple
Pendulum
Winter Now
Michael A Grammar
Tears In The Typing Pool

Unranked
The Little Bell
Echo’s Answer
Message From Home
Phantom
Poem of Dead Song
According to No Plan
Lights Out
You Can Fall
Until Then
Dead The Long Year
Lunch Hour Pops
Minim
Ominous Cloud
I Found The F
Corporeal
Bit 35
Subject To The Ladder
You And Me In Time
Test Area
Distant Call
Hammer Without A Master
Daves Dream
I see, so i see so
Long Was The Year

ALBUMS
Haha Sound
Tender Buttons
The Noise Made By People
Work And Non Work

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 June 2022 18:20 (three weeks ago) link

Catching up with this belatedly (am abroad and have been w/o internet for a few days). Thanks to the poll runners for an excellent rollout experience and superb images. My #1s were Tender Buttons and "Echo's Answer" for the record.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 20:49 (three weeks ago) link

My list. I still use Last.fm and it shows 500 plays for one band in a couple of weeks which is vv unusual for me. Brilliant poll - one of the best ever.

Until Then
Sixty Forty
We’ve Got Time
Corporeal
Echo’s Answer
Valerie
Goodnight Girls
Message From Home
Paper Cuts
City In Progress
Come on Let’s Go
I Found the F
A quiet word
Pendulum
Before We Begin
The Book Lovers
Accidentals
The Be Colony
Hawk
Make My Sleep His Song
Man Is Not a Bird
Forget Evertime
Lights Out
Living Room
Hammer Without A Master
Tears In the Typing Pool
Long Was The Year
Lunch Hour Pops
In Here The World Begins
Unchanging Window / Chord Simple
Teresa Lark of Ascension
Look Outside
Where Youth and Laughter Go
Tuesday’s Offering
The Aphid Sleeps
Microtonics 07
Elegant Elephant
The Equestrian Vortex
Illumination

kraudive, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 22:01 (three weeks ago) link

watched Daisies and now i could see where a the influence in some TB era promo photos came from.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 12 June 2022 05:26 (two weeks ago) link

The results playlist on shuffle is currently my favourite thing in the world.
(up late, a little drunk/high, belly dance just hit)

woof, Saturday, 18 June 2022 00:15 (two weeks ago) link


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