Senseless Things / Mark Keds Memorial Thread

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I had one single and I saw them a few times on The Beat, but it's only today that I've really given this band a proper try, and you know what, they sound really good in 2021.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip96h9EBq0s

Share some videos / tracks / memories / opinions about Senseless Things, or Jolt, Trip Fontaine, The Lams, Like A Bitch or Deadcuts for that matter.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:51 (two weeks ago) link

best song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKdj2Np8awA

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:58 (two weeks ago) link

back in the late 80s there was a mini wave of poppy punk bands like the senseless things and the mega city four that john peel used to play who were a kind of a belated uk reaction to the replacements, and they toured a heck of a lot on the toilet circuit with people like snuff and perfect daze and milk. later on i think they got more lumped in with the post-grebo fraggle bands like neds iirc? anyway i bought their first few singles when they came out, but then i moved on to other stuff and kind of lost track. fun at the time though! this was the first song i heard from them via peel in '88, was confused that it was addressed to a school girl but i guess keds would've only been 18 at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-3Afrz8yqs

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

anyhow, i was surprised to find out yesterday that the bass player went on to play with the streets, gorillaz and muse, and the drummer is now part of penguin cafe

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:26 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah the post-breakup section of their wikipedia page surprised me - I know a lot of these bands:

Keds very briefly became a member of The Wildhearts before forming Jolt, Trip Fontaine, The Lams, Like A Bitch and, most recently, Deadcuts. He also has a co-writer credit on The Libertines' 2004 #2 hit "Can't Stand Me Now", which took a line from the 1998 Jolt single "Hey! Kitten".

Harding went on to join 3 Colours Red in their original incarnation from 1996 to 1999, before pursuing a career in public and media relations. Making a return to music, Harding now plays in garage band The Charlemagnes.

Nicholls joined Vent 414 with Miles Hunt from The Wonder Stuff until 1997, released the solo album Organized in 2000, then went on to play with The Streets. He is now part of Muse's touring line-up and has also played with Lily Allen and The Who.

Browne formed new band Delakota[26] with Nicholls and others, releasing an album and various singles between 1998 and 2000.[27] He went on to become a central collaborator of Hewlett and Damon Albarn's virtual band Gorillaz, playing drums in various live incarnations of the band from 2001-2010 and also serving as one of the primary writers for the animated characters in interviews and cartoon shorts, including the 2005 book Rise of the Ogre (Nicholls also played bass in the Gorillaz live band from 2005-2006). Browne also briefly played with Urge Overkill, The Lams and Deadcuts. In 2019 he formed alternative rock supergroup Loup GarouX, with Mercury-nominated songwriter Ed Harcourt, and Richard Jones of The Feeling. The single "I Know the Truth About You" received airplay from BBC Radio 1 and BBC 6 Music.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:29 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah Cass was with Gorillaz for a long old stretch. Blur and Senseless Things go way back. Oh Delakota! They were good too, he co-wrote this, a fantastic tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cdORqnWM98

piscesx, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:34 (two weeks ago) link

sad seeing recent pictures of mark keds, he looked about 100 years old. heroin?

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:36 (two weeks ago) link

The announcement said

It’s no secret that he had struggled on and off with drug abuse and a pretty chaotic lifestyle for a long while

so guessing yeah

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:41 (two weeks ago) link

:(

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:43 (two weeks ago) link

This is the first time I saw the group, from The Beat at Reading in 1993, genuinely thought he was a girl and an attractive one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlLb5EdDUp4

The voice should have tipped me off, but they'd previously had Babes In Toyland on, so

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

massive soul asylum vibe on that one! vocals and the tune and his look and everything

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:51 (two weeks ago) link

Been a long time since I thought about these guys but I liked this song when it came out, definite Pixies/Nirvana LQL action going on but the main guitar riff is great -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPnTsXUCTww

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:52 (two weeks ago) link

Also, Cass Nicholls is a monstrously busy and capable bass player, I can see how he came to the attention of The Who, he is exactly like an Alt-Rock version of Entwhistle.

The basslines for these two songs are absolutely nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iHsNBRTe0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDGZjExiDfY

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:55 (two weeks ago) link

Whoops, *Morgan* Nicholls

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

genuinely thought he was a girl

Freely admit when I first saw photos in MM I thought the same. Oh my callow youth.

Saw them open for Blur in May 1992 over here. Fun show and I had a long sleeve Pop Kid shirt for years after.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 23:58 (two weeks ago) link

Saw Senseless Things while studying abroad in Canterbury, along with The Family Cat (genuinely impressed by the Cat, & love their records still), in the same week, & I truly believed the Replacements/SST bands I loved in the US of A were making a mark in the UK, but somehow Grebo & fake sounding Beatles amp ups ruined that wave. So sad Keds died at such a young age. Peace to his family & fans. Beach Slang's cover of 'Too Much Kissing' sucks & is not a patch on the original. Sad dipshit BS dude's abuse will get more press than this.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 00:29 (two weeks ago) link

i have always assumed that the fact the senseless things lads went onto help out/join/form other bands across many genres proved a couple of things :

- they were a f*cking brilliant band, and knew their craft
- through their gigging excess, they made friends with a lot of other bands, and were clearly loved by all those who met them i.e. they weren't twats.

personally, i came to them primarily cos of the Jamie H artwork (a relationship that lasted a very long time, hence Cass doing so much for Gorillaz - who even ended up writing the Gorillaz coffee table monstrosity 'The Rise Of the Ogre')

i first discovered senseless things via their debut cd ep on CBS, "Got It At The Delmar" i think, which was of course only 99p in week of release.
i got it for the cover, and then realised just how much fun they were and so stayed for the ride.
unfortunately due to my newfound settled adult life i only managed to see them the once (freebie Heineken thing in Roundhay Park), they were great fun.

r.i.p mark, and thanks for all the tunes-n-grins.

mark e, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 09:47 (two weeks ago) link

re Morgan Nicholls : "I can see how he came to the attention of The Who, he is exactly like an Alt-Rock version of Entwhistle."

pretty sure i read somewhere that his solo album, Organized, was recorded using an old hammond that belonged to the Who, pretty there is a family/friend connection.

mark e, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 09:52 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, there is a family/friend connection : Morgan Nicholls is the son of Billy Nicholls.

mark e, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 09:57 (two weeks ago) link

they toured a heck of a lot on the toilet circuit with people like snuff and perfect daze and milk.

not that anyone cares, but i think i meant the milk monitors. or sink.

kites aren't fun (NickB), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:02 (two weeks ago) link

I care, Nick :)

I never saw them, the reunion gig happened at a time in my life when there was no way I could go to it.

Since we are posting youtubes these 2 are my faves and haven't been posted:

Trevor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydrYF8HB6A

Easy To Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoqkAI7vk3c

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:51 (two weeks ago) link

and a couple of deeper cuts:

Drunk and Soppy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS6AtWHsGGY

Busload to Bingo (I could only find a live version of this early track which is a bit more Snuff-like than their later stuff)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE-Xqz8ZhME

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:56 (two weeks ago) link

This performance of Hold It Down on The Word is wild, better than the record maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_NMRSw9Je8

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 11:16 (two weeks ago) link

i'll say one thing for The Word, they really knew how to get across the energy and excitement of a band. different genre, but same thing with 'Dance Energy' with Normski. possibly the same same production team? makes the likes of 'Later...' look so dull in comparison (not difficult i guess!)

kites aren't fun (NickB), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 11:26 (two weeks ago) link

as mentioned earlier :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6DipjJ41dE

mark e, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:24 (one week ago) link

something i never ever expected from a senseless thing, but damn ..

mark e, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:26 (one week ago) link

amazing, always loved that track (think it was on a cover CD, we used to play it a lot) but never made the Senseless Things connection until this moment. Would love someone to do an oral history of that track, especially with his little brother, and Miss Parker herself of course.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:33 (one week ago) link

amazing, always loved that track (think it was on a cover CD, we used to play it a lot)

yup : NME mounted 'Steve Lamaqs Bootleg Sessions Vol 2'
twas where i first came across it.

mark e, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:42 (one week ago) link

an old school NME styled family tree re Senseless Things would be insane.
they spread out far and wide.

mark e, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

there totally should be a Pete Frame web app that you can use to build rock family trees

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:00 (one week ago) link

I made one for my Pulp website using ms paint and a custom font called ff-nosebleed

https://pulpsongs.wordpress.com/family-tree/

https://www.fontspace.com/ff-nosebleed-font-f3260

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:04 (one week ago) link

Cass Browne (drummer in the Senseless Things) on BBC Breakfast News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrlEbcytr-I

kieth chagrin (NickB), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:12 (one week ago) link

why is there no dvd of THE WORD (channel 4, uk)

piscesx, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:15 (one week ago) link

Lovely work, Camaraderie!

(The faux-Frame font is pretty good, but one-letterform-only means the kerning on PULP is hecka squished every time :) )

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:18 (one week ago) link

I might have watched that Penguin Cafe interview and never made the connection.

Once travelled to Harlow to see Senseless Things at The Square on the full understanding that there was no getting back to London before the trains started again.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:24 (one week ago) link

solid commitment there

kieth chagrin (NickB), Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:29 (one week ago) link

Senseless Things family tree:
http://discograph.mbrsi.org/artist/56205?roles[]=Alias&roles[]=Member+Of

PaulTMA, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:46 (one week ago) link

^ need to copy and paste the full URL or it displays wrong

PaulTMA, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:47 (one week ago) link

wow.

had totally forgotten re 3 colours red connection.

mark e, Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:06 (one week ago) link

lol at Billy Duffy being from Cardboard Vampyres, a band who played a few gigs in 2004, and not from The Cult

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:15 (one week ago) link

he was in the nosebleeds with m*****sey too! he was vini reilly's replacement

kieth chagrin (NickB), Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:21 (one week ago) link

You need to click on the band member to see their own tree in full.

PaulTMA, Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:29 (one week ago) link

I did, but maybe I needed to shake it harder to get the other bands loose or something

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 14 January 2021 23:32 (one week ago) link


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