Eurovision 2020 (now featuring Eurovision 2021)

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Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:08 (one year ago) link

UK entry picked by BMG:
Eurovision 2020: James Newman announced as United Kingdom's entry

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:08 (one year ago) link

corona, carona, let’s call the whole thing off:

https://escxtra.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-eurovision/

(first case in the Netherlands has just been confirmed)

breastcrawl, Thursday, 27 February 2020 21:19 (one year ago) link

mid-tempo meh

kinder, Saturday, 29 February 2020 19:53 (one year ago) link

the uk entry or the spread of the coronavirus?

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 29 February 2020 19:59 (one year ago) link

France will do worse than usual (and that’s saying something) so let’s just name Joey Corona the winner and call it off

pet friendly (Euler), Saturday, 29 February 2020 22:44 (one year ago) link

Horrific set of English titles among the entries that are known so far: “The Best In Me”, “Don’t Break Me”, “Chains On You”, “Release Me”, “My Last Breath”, “Still Breathing”, and okay, “Violent Thing”. Is this 1964? (tho it could also read as some kind of torture scene, I guess).

The French song (“The Best Of Me”) is like a parody of a generic anthemic song. The UK one is made-to-measure for last place in the final.

breastcrawl, Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:12 (one year ago) link

“The Best *In* Me”

and oh, there’s also “On Fire” - par for the course

breastcrawl, Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:15 (one year ago) link

The UK entry and everything surrounding it is so low effort. It's going to come last and everyone involved knows it, but they could at least pretend that this'll be the year the UK wins.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:15 (one year ago) link

Please, please tell me “Daði Freyr” is Icelandic for “Lonely Guy”.

breastcrawl, Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:33 (one year ago) link

I do recommend this podcast for American listeners:

http://eurovision.whatelseison.tv/

Maura's been on a few times, and I've just been invited to comment on a forthcoming episode.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 March 2020 06:05 (one year ago) link

Iceland has some competition.

Here comes 🇷🇺
https://escxtra.com/2020/03/12/little-big-uno-russia-eurovision-2020/

Jeff W, Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:43 (one year ago) link

This is...interesting.

BREAKING: #Eurovision 2020 has been cancelled. Official statement coming tomorrow:

Eurovision 2021 will be held in Rotterdam, but with new acts and new songs. All artists from this year will be invited back; but due to the rules, all current songs will no longer be eligible. pic.twitter.com/OVCLJxKxvX

— sᴜᴘᴇʀ ᴛᴠ (@superTV247) March 17, 2020

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 01:57 (one year ago) link

What’s another year

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 05:46 (one year ago) link

shit got real :(

kinder, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 08:23 (one year ago) link

New acts but artists invited back? Sounds contradictory

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 08:27 (one year ago) link

this is really dumb, it's a song contest not a performer contest, should have found a way to move it online

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 08:28 (one year ago) link

Xpost obviously not all this years acts will want to do it again next year

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 08:55 (one year ago) link

As compensation to the Dutch organisers, Afrojack and DJ Tiesto to remix all songs for next year.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 09:05 (one year ago) link

Is this certain? The Eurovision account itself hasn’t tweeted anything. The cancellation wouldn’t surprise me but the idea that the same artists with new songs will compete next year is a bit strange.

monotony, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 10:31 (one year ago) link

I think we could have some good fun with an online-only contest, come on now

abcfsk, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 10:42 (one year ago) link

I imagine something like plug.fm, with dancing bears avatars.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 11:14 (one year ago) link

I think it's more like the artists are not banned from entering again, but the songs each year have to be written the year of the contest, so even if they enter the same artist it can't be the same song. Some of you seem to be reading it as mandatory that the same artists appear, which isn't what the tweet says. (NB I could be wrong myself, but this is how I read it.)

emil.y, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 11:20 (one year ago) link

I don't know what "supertv" is, but there's no official report about it being cancelled.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 11:33 (one year ago) link

(yet, I s'pose)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 11:33 (one year ago) link

It's off officially now btw

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

were there going to be any good songs this year?

coptic feels (seandalai), Sunday, 3 May 2020 01:49 (eleven months ago) link

Of the ones I‘ve heard (admittedly, not a whole lot) I liked Iceland, Switzerland, and Ukraine most.
Bulgaria had a credible Billie Eilish facsimile, but forgot to bring in the Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares choir as backing vocalists to make it truly special. Also have a soft spot for the Czech entry.

Relistening to these now, I’m giving my 12 points to Ukraine, no question (plus a bonus point for reminding me of Die Wilde Jagd’s “2000 Elefanten” with that flute motif).

You’ll probably be able to hear snippets of the entries (hopefully all 41 of them!) during this placeholder event on 16 May: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision:_Europe_Shine_a_Light

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 09:27 (eleven months ago) link

Portugal should have chosen this one instead of the insipid ballad it chose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5znBj_mg10

Nourry, Sunday, 3 May 2020 11:12 (eleven months ago) link

Ukraine performance on Youtube has massive Eurovision Bingo energy. Good song too.

coptic feels (seandalai), Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:01 (eleven months ago) link

The way she pronounces "Like CleopatRRRRRa" is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0VzBCvO1Wk

coptic feels (seandalai), Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:14 (eleven months ago) link

Q. Is Denmark's "entry" as hatefully smug as every year? [except for the walking Viking dudes, they were fine]
A. Why yes it is

coptic feels (seandalai), Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:17 (eleven months ago) link

That Ukrainian entry is a hacked and stitched together weird beast of things which don't fit at all, and I love it.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:47 (eleven months ago) link

thanks to this revive I've become totally smitten with Switzerland's francophone operatic ballad. I already posted a link to the studio version, this is him singing it live with just piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPWeARr2M3M
Gjon's Tears • Répondez-moi (Acoustic Version)

A solid dix points from me.

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:18 (eleven months ago) link

Happy Eurovision day :(

To keep me company I made a playlist of my own favourites over the years, if you too agree that "I Love You Mi Vida" and "Lost and Forgotten" are all-time classics you may find something to enjoy here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL17189D58E7546917

coptic feels (seandalai), Saturday, 16 May 2020 14:32 (eleven months ago) link

good list!

watching this warming-up show from last December - the amazingness of “Fuego” (at the end, just before the “Euphoria” finale, but upstaging Loreen) remains undiminished.

it hurts not to have the real thing this year...

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 16 May 2020 16:22 (eleven months ago) link

oops, here’s the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHOezYTDpEY

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 16 May 2020 16:27 (eleven months ago) link

anyone watching?

kinder, Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:45 (eleven months ago) link

Yes. 30 seconds per song and it still takes 2 hours.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:59 (eleven months ago) link

“former Eurovision participants offer their thoughts on coronavirus” is not the absolute pinnacle of entertainment but I guess I’ll take what I can get

coptic feels (seandalai), Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:14 (eleven months ago) link

Prison
Release Me
My Last Breath
Still Breathing

kinder, Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:25 (eleven months ago) link

"In these difficult times" performed by a continent's worth of artists.

Still I guess it'll do. Now they're teasing ABBA too

abcfsk, Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:31 (eleven months ago) link

It's either Benny or Bjorn.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:32 (eleven months ago) link

"They don't show up much these days" -- I think Björn shows up whenever anyone asks. He could've given us some news about the new ABBA tracks at least!

abcfsk, Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:49 (eleven months ago) link

Benny has been on TV a lot in the last few years as well.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:50 (eleven months ago) link

I wish they'd explain why there's not Eurovision this year

kinder, Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:50 (eleven months ago) link

Graham Norton's either been stockpiling fake tan or he's got a sunbed in his lockdown house.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Saturday, 16 May 2020 20:52 (eleven months ago) link

Release Me sounds like that Sheryl Crow Bond theme with Portishead Live in NYC backing

kinder, Saturday, 16 May 2020 21:01 (eleven months ago) link

(Belgium)

kinder, Saturday, 16 May 2020 21:01 (eleven months ago) link

won’t get thru the semis probably tho. the Solovey love wasn’t very wide-spread last year

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 28 February 2021 10:51 (one month ago) link

You reckon? Difficult for me to tell as everyone I know adored that one, but I realise my friends probably do not make up the bulk of the Eurovision audience.

emil.y, Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:28 (one month ago) link

Also, I'm guessing the plan is for Eurovision proper to go ahead this year? Most places seem to be doing better than the UK and even we seem to be managing to roll out vaccinations, so I guess it may be doable?

emil.y, Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:31 (one month ago) link

it will def go ahead, but most likely scenario will be performances without audience, either in Rotterdam or (more likely) beamed in from all the participating countries.

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:39 (one month ago) link

(this was early Feb, but the socially-distanced audience option is going to be ditched sooner or later)

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 28 February 2021 14:54 (one month ago) link

Thanks, bc.

emil.y, Sunday, 28 February 2021 15:03 (one month ago) link

out of the rest of the entries that are out now I like Israel’s “Set Me Free” by Eden Alene best - it’s one of several Duannabees (who’d have thunk?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opmTs9uvENI

favourite line so far: “there ain’t no Apocalypse as long as you’re here on my lips” (© Benny Cristo, Czech Republic, 2021)

worst by some considerable distance is the German entry, which pre-emptively out-Danishes the Danes with the offensively twee “I Don’t Feel Hate” (good for you, I do). it’s probably all very wink-wink ironic, which makes it all the more punchable. here’s hoping the Danes will withdraw in admiration. they couldn’t possibly bottom this.

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 28 February 2021 17:33 (one month ago) link

as we’re preparing to redo the 2020 edition in 2021, the ghost of the 2019 edition is still with us as well:

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56210143

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 1 March 2021 20:34 (one month ago) link

welcome to the contest... Flo Rida:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRAN7AzEKak

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 11 March 2021 07:46 (one month ago) link

UK's entry: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-56349129
Not totally shit but it couldn't hold my interest for it's entire running time. The horns make it sound like an Olly Murs song.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:33 (one month ago) link

Why don't they get people or songs with personality for the UK entry, ever. I can't remember the last time. This is going to get some random votes here and there and otherwise people will have forgot about it after listening to 15 other tracks and artists that pop more.

abcfsk, Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:52 (one month ago) link

ain’t half bad as UK entries go. it at least sounds like some run of the mill, slightly outdated UK pop instead of like some shit like it usually does

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 11 March 2021 20:36 (one month ago) link

valiant effort by Daði Freyr to catch lightning in a bottle twice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORDK1XQToAY
Daði og Gagnamagnið • 10 Years

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 14 March 2021 16:38 (one month ago) link

yeah :(

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 14 March 2021 23:34 (one month ago) link

I know Eurovision 2020 didn't really happen, but new thread?

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 14 March 2021 23:34 (one month ago) link

in many ways it’s the same edition: same host city, most of the artists are the same.

I could ask une mod to adjust the thread title accordingly, “Eurovision 2020 —-> 2021” or something.

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 06:44 (one month ago) link

should have added a question mark there, it’s a suggestion after all. hope snoball, the thread starter, can shine their light on the matter

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 07:49 (one month ago) link

I can change the title to that if you want, I guess it might make sense? I don't have strong feelings either way.

I found 'Think About Things' fairly cloying, I think this one might be more so.

emil.y, Monday, 15 March 2021 08:25 (one month ago) link

ESC enthusiasts, cast your votes or vetoes before douze heures or yours is losing game, I say!

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 09:57 (one month ago) link

I don't have strong feelings either way.


seems to be the general consensus, so feel free to adjust the title

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 15 March 2021 21:38 (one month ago) link

Adding 2021 to the thread title is fine by me. Most countries seem to be sending the same acts, just different songs.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Monday, 15 March 2021 21:44 (one month ago) link

what's another year?

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 21 March 2021 20:56 (four weeks ago) link

thanx emil.y!

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Sunday, 21 March 2021 22:09 (four weeks ago) link

solid post-Netta effort from Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l01wa2ChX64

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 21 March 2021 23:10 (four weeks ago) link

France really really reminds me of something else - either that or it got stuck in my head already after two listens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9t_SwPN31s

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 21 March 2021 23:15 (four weeks ago) link

“Шум/Shum”, “Russian Woman” and Azerbaijan’s “Mata Hari” are sort of triangled in my mind:

“Шум/Shum” and “Russian Woman” are connected through their use of folk melodies, “Russian Woman” and “Mata Hari” through their Arabic/Anatolian elements, and “Mata Hari” connects back to “Шум/Shum” through the metal-like noise (шум means exactly that, and just listen to the final 20 seconds of “Mata Hari”!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSiZmR1c7Q4
Efendi • Mata Hari
(my current favourite)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-dxzp6Jvs
Go_A • Shum
(this is the official ESC version, shorter and somewhat toned down from the 4’ version emil.y posted upthread)

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:02 (three weeks ago) link

the triangle works geographically as well:

RUS
^
- -
- -
- -
v v
UKR <- - - - - - - - - - > AZE

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:02 (three weeks ago) link

(it does in Zing anyway lol)

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:05 (three weeks ago) link

all 39* entries in 14 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6FU4wPI-ng

(Belarus was disqualified for being too political, twice,
Armenia decided to withdraw its entry because of the political crisis in the country)

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 29 March 2021 20:14 (three weeks ago) link

audiences (Dutch only) will be allowed (unless conditions deteriorate):

https://www.escdaily.com/dutch-government-allows-reduced-amount-of-audience-at-eurovision-2021/

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 2 April 2021 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

So, I had some thoughts on some of the entries:

😈💅 New Episode 💅😈 @nedraggett joins us to chat about the devils in the details of the #Eurovision entries from #Slovenia, #Sweden, #Cyprus, #Norway, #Croatia, and #Belgium. #OpenUp your podcast apps and have a listen to one hell of an episode! https://t.co/WqVtqhaEpP

— The EuroWhat? Podcast (@EuroWhat) April 6, 2021

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:16 (one week ago) link

I'm surprised (and happy) to see that the Hooverphonic are still around and are the Belgian entry. It seems so random!

daavid, Thursday, 8 April 2021 03:26 (one week ago) link

I am kind of obsessed with Mata Hari as well. That chorus is massive! Can anyone recommend artist/songs in the same vein (i.e. Europop with Middle Eastern flourishes)? I'm a little disconnected from ILM so I'm unaware if there's already a thread for it.

daavid, Thursday, 8 April 2021 03:47 (one week ago) link

inexact application of "Middle Eastern" but first few things that came to mind

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Thursday, 8 April 2021 21:02 (one week ago) link

Those are:
Inga & Anush • Jan-Jan (Armenia, 2009)
Hadise • Düm Tek Tek (Turkey, 2009)
Nadav Guedj • Golden Boy (Israel, 2015)
Sirusho • Qélé, Qélé (Armenia, 2008)

thanks for posting these, seandalai – didn’t really have those older ones handy in my mind!

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:22 (one week ago) link

the current gold standard for this is Eleni Foureira’s fantastic “Fuego” (Cyprus), which should have won in 2018 over Netta’s “Toy” (and would have, if Eleni wouldn’t have been overcome with nerves in the final over the prospect). of this year’s contenders, “Mata Hari” and San Marino’s “Adrenalina” (see upthread) are following in this song’s footsteps.
feel the fire an let your pelican fly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54PHdAEmJkM

that thrilling davul/zurna hook makes it. it’s a combination of instruments that is traditionally used in wedding music all over the Balkans, the Eastern Mediterranean, Anatolia and the Kaukasus, part of the Ottoman footprint in the region (as well as that of the Romani in the Balkans possibly?).
of course Eurovision is just the tip of this iceberg, there are whole (thriving) genres that can be traced back to this imprint. check for example: Bulgarian chalga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalga and Romanian manele: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manele.

Anyways, I don’t think there’s much to be found on any of this on ILM (unless it’s buried somewhere in some oughties thread or other). I do post the occasional Türkpop banger here: I don't like Turkish music, or do I?

as for “Toy”, you may remember it for its chorus, but listen to the beats/percussion in the verses: it has its fair share of Middle Easternness, like most Israeli entries these days - see “Golden Boy” above and this year’s “Set Me Free” by Eden, which features Arabic strings in the mix.
there’s Arabic flourishes in “Russian Woman” as well, as I mentioned above.
And then there’s the Albanian entry, “Karma” by Anxhela Peristeri, (quoting Wikipedia here) “a dramatic ethnic Balkan-inspired pop ballad combining modern and traditional Albanian elements.” – which means large parts also sound very Turkish. they forgot to mention the trap section tho! needless to say I love it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4D_RfEFwd4

it's the opposite of a banger, but Ukraine’s 2016 ESC winner, Jamala’s beautiful “1944”, deserves a mention as well. from Wikipedia: “The song's chorus, in the Crimean language, is made up of words from a Crimean Tatar folk song called "Ey Güzel Qırım" that Jamala had heard from her great-grandmother, reflecting on the loss of a youth which could not be spent in her homeland. The song features the duduk [...] and the use of the mugham vocal style.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-rnM-MwRHY

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 19:27 (one week ago) link

Thank you, seandalai and breastcrawl!

:)

daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:18 (one week ago) link

This is exactly what I was looking for.

daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:24 (one week ago) link

Ooh, thanks for the tips on chalga and manele, breastcrawl. I'm into this stuff but tend to find it very sporadically and semi-randomly, so it's good to have some search terms to use to go investigating myself.

emil.y, Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:36 (one week ago) link

you’re welcome, emil.y (and daavid of course!)

I would probably find lots to love in these genres, but I never got around to really checking them out.

bonus, because related:
Omar Souleyman, who brought Syrian wedding music to the masses at Western rock festivals a decade ago

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:53 (one week ago) link

he's got his own (busy, one time) thread: so this omar souleyman guy (RFI, RFD)

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 21:54 (one week ago) link

Thanks again, breastcrawl. I'll check it out.

I may start a thread about this (I still don't know what to call it), but in the meantime I'm sharing a short playlist (the product of a couple of late night YouTube rabbit holes) of the kind of stuff I've been looking for (don't even know what to call it). Comprises stuff from North Africa, Eastern Europe and the Middle East: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6zyXmG5g9xEpDzbHi1waRQQWDk8WC7YH

daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 22:24 (one week ago) link

very cool, lots of Albanian stuff there, look forward to checking those out!

(and you already gave it a name!)

j’adoooore “Meleğim”, an Algerian singer/rapper and a French-Congolese singer doing a Francophone Arabic pop song with a Turkish title, with a video shot in Istanbul, superbe

I didn’t know Sura İskenderli! “Dinle” goes hard, amazing!

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 23:08 (one week ago) link

Yes, I am now realizing most of these songs are Albanian.

daavid, Saturday, 10 April 2021 23:20 (one week ago) link

do start that thread, it will be fun!

(and it will probably find its course, even if you’re not quite sure of the premise)

Blick, Bils & Blinky • Let's Skip The Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Saturday, 10 April 2021 23:49 (one week ago) link

Also discovering a few great Chalga and Manele tracks!

daavid, Sunday, 11 April 2021 03:02 (one week ago) link


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