This thread is mainly for polyrhythmic, international sounds that aren't big enough to get threads of their own. I lean toward south of the equator sounds here that are sometimes less club-oriented than those of artists highlighted on Afrobeats, dancehall, soca threads. Sometimes, but not always, the artists are older than those on those other threads. More old-school bands too.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 January 2020 15:14 (nine months ago) link
Here's last year's thread:
Rolling Global Outernational Non-West Non-English (Some Exceptions) 2019 Thread Once Known as World Music
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 January 2020 15:16 (nine months ago) link
Looks interesting. Listed by genre I think
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 January 2020 18:34 (nine months ago) link
Not a fan of Egyptian rocker Ramy Essam who is touring US. Too bombastic arena style for me. I have read that he’s a left leaning activist but the music is not my thing.
Algerian Sofiane Saide and His Mazalda Cosmic rai Band are coming to the US too. I haven’t heard them yet
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 14:35 (nine months ago) link
That should say Saidi. He and his rai band are in DC Friday and Monday, and in NY Saturday & Sunday. Sunday at Globalfest
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:26 (nine months ago) link
Then back to France and North Africa
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:27 (nine months ago) link
Saw a bit of a YouTube video of Sofiane Saidi. Sounded good and looked lively
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:28 (nine months ago) link
Saidi album is good but not great
― curmudgeon, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:52 (nine months ago) link
Gonna splurge and see Mahmoud Ahmed, legendary Ethiopian singer Saturday night at the Ethiopian Embassy backed by a band led by the guitarist of the Roha band (Ethiopiques) Selamino
― curmudgeon, Friday, 10 January 2020 16:56 (nine months ago) link
ilmer crut turned me onto this guy from Morocco - kinda synth/psychedelic I really dig it:https://abdouelomari.bandcamp.com/album/nuits-d-t-avec-abdou-el-omari -- I also love the description: "Abdou El Omari, the bachelor hairdresser, composer and organ player from Morocco..." bachelor hairdresser!
also I posted this yesterday to Hey Jews but i think ppl itt would be interested in it too:https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/the-hidden-world-of-psychedelic-jewish-folk
― Mordy, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:01 (nine months ago) link
Oh no, it's the late Abdou El Omari
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:09 (nine months ago) link
died in 2010 at the age of 66,
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:10 (nine months ago) link
System K, a movie doc about Kinshasa, Congo street performers is at the Film Forum in NY till the 14th. Hopefully it will soon be available elsewhere
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 12 January 2020 01:44 (nine months ago) link
i'd love to see that
― Mordy, Sunday, 12 January 2020 02:34 (nine months ago) link
Mahmoud Ahmed did 2 great hour or so sets Saturday night at the Ethiopian Embassy in DC. At 78 his voice still is mesmerizing.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 January 2020 04:11 (nine months ago) link
Opening act singer Abeba Desalegn was good too.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 January 2020 15:11 (nine months ago) link
Global Fest in NYC this past Sunday take by Jon Pareles. Sounds fun
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 11:42 (nine months ago) link
Fado singer Lina Rodrigues and producer Raül Refree (who's worked with Rosalía and Lee Ranaldo, among others) have collaborated on an album that takes traditional fado songs and brings them into an almost Portishead-ish zone. I interviewed them both for Bandcamp.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 15:20 (nine months ago) link
Songlines 12 five-star African albums from last year:https://www.songlines.co.uk/explore/guides-and-lists/the-12-five-star-african-albums-of-2019
Dawda Jobarteh - I Met Her By the RiverVaudou Game - OtodiAli Hassan Kuban - From Nubia to CairoBlick Bassy - 1958Baba Commandant and the Mandigo Band - Siri Ba KeleMdou Moctar - Ilana: The CreatorBenin International Musical - BIM#1Africa Express - EgoliVA - Mlouk: Gnawa and World Music FestivalKOKOKO! - FongolaTinariwen - AmadjarVA - Early Congo Music 1946-1962
― Mordy, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:04 (nine months ago) link
Good stuff, Phil – the music and interview both. Thanks for the heads up.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 19:25 (nine months ago) link
Xp— that Songlines list is good, I agree
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 16 January 2020 05:17 (nine months ago) link
Loving this!!! If you have been fortunate enough to see either Fendika or PNL’s Large Unit, you know that them together??! Perfection imo. https://paalnilssen-love.bandcamp.com/album/ethiobraz
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:32 (nine months ago) link
Yeah, I'm including that ^^^ in my upcoming Stereogum column. It rips.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:41 (nine months ago) link
I interviewed Korean artist Eunhye Jeong, who combines traditional pansori music with free jazz, for Bandcamp. The album is wild.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 17 January 2020 22:16 (nine months ago) link
Tony Allen and Hugh Masekela recorded an album together before the latter died; it's coming out in March. This is the first track:
Also note that this is the first release on the relaunched World Circuit label.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:12 (eight months ago) link
Saw Tony Allen with a band live once and he was great. Hopefully that recording with Masekela will be great.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:03 (eight months ago) link
finally got a hold of that early congo music comp from that songlines list and if congolese rumba in yr jam (it's v much mine) it's really a fantastic document and i don't know a lot of these artists!
also enjoyed this MOGADISCO: Dancing Mogadishu (Somalia 1972-1991) comp - not sure we've mentioned it in any of these threads
― Mordy, Thursday, 23 January 2020 19:34 (eight months ago) link
That early Congo music release is from a Japanese label. Is any US distributor handling it?
― curmudgeon, Friday, 24 January 2020 04:51 (eight months ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, 24 January 2020 04:57 (eight months ago) link
Listened to the reissue of an Issam Hajali album today - Lebanese Acid Folk from the 70's with touches of orchestral pop, prog, bossa nova. Killer album, Habibi Funk is such a great label.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 24 January 2020 13:11 (eight months ago) link
ooo good stuff thx for the tip
― Mordy, Friday, 24 January 2020 13:51 (eight months ago) link
The major keepers from globalFest imo were:
San Salvador: South France polyphony with drums... fucking volcanic live - https://soundcloud.com/lostintraditions/sets/san-salvador-livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt1Ok0Kvcsg
La Chica: Venezuelan French woman doing dope electro-pop - https://remezcla.com/features/music/la-chica-profile/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Q0YmCRa1Y
Ak Dan Gwang Chil: sprawling South Korean band with three lead female singers and killer style - http://sori.nyc/adgchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krIHTd-7PGY
And, of course, Cheikh Lo was lovely as always
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 24 January 2020 15:28 (eight months ago) link
Heard good things about Ak Dan Gwang Chil. They were in DC at Kennedy Center too, but just billed as a folkloric trad group and I missed them. Kennedy Center Millennium Stage 1 hour gigs are videotaped and archived -- will check that out as well.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:43 (eight months ago) link
Gregory Maqoma’s Vuyani Dance Theatre from South Africa did an intense performance last night @ Kennedy Center entitled “Cion: Requiem of Ravel’s Bolero.” Set in a graveyard , the singers/dancers combined mournful South African Isicathamiya a capella singing w/ beatbox rap & hiphop dance (both modern and popping and locking). A touch of Malathini in vocals via use of froggy voice megaphone, also traditional tongue clicking at one point. No video allowed last night. Too bad as the video trailers on Youtube are much more tame than what I saw. The NY Times profiled Maqoma and gave a fave review to their performance last weekend in NYC. South African composer Nhlanhla Mahlangu cleverly transposed Ravel's Bolero to a marching snare drum beat and via other ways as well.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:53 (eight months ago) link
i'm enjoying this this morning (on spotify) - sorta Anglo-Scots/Indian folk fusion:https://www.dominomusic.com/releases/yorkston-thorne-khan/navarasa-nine-emotions/cd
― Mordy, Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:00 (eight months ago) link
Maqoma's South African dance and song gets love from NY Times
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:05 (eight months ago) link
Looks like Maqoma’s Vuyani Dance Theatre from South Africa have only 1 more US appearance - February 1 at Mass Moca
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 January 2020 16:38 (eight months ago) link
Shows in New York:
Sat., Feb 1:3MA, comprising Malian kora master Ballaké Sissoko, Moroccan oud expert Driss El Maloumi, and Malagasy valiha extraordinaire Rajery plays a FREE show at Public Records. Don't forget to RSVP!
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 1 February 2020 00:10 (eight months ago) link
Ulysses and Unperson should go to that.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 1 February 2020 20:29 (eight months ago) link
Unfortunately, I'm gonna be at the Jazz Gallery tonight.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:04 (eight months ago) link
i've had the flu for about a week - mildly unpleasant. more unpleasant has been taking care of 3 sick kids who also are sick and being mostly cooped inside. today i was feeling better but w/ some cabin fever so i took reggie for a long walk outside. it had rained in the morning and was still cold and the air was sharp but there were lots of birds and small mammals about. i listened to the new afropop worldwide episode about the field recordings of High Tracey who did a lot of fieldwork in traditional communities in Africa in the 1950s particularly in Malawi. i had not heard these before but many are extraordinary + strange lots of inventive vocal and instrumental sounds, some things that reminded me of reading feld's sound and sentiment, really some wonderful things to listen to and especially on a chilly, somewhat wet walk after spending all week ill and indoors.
― Mordy, Sunday, 2 February 2020 20:16 (eight months ago) link
Hugh* Tracey but i guess that's a little easter egg there
― Mordy, Sunday, 2 February 2020 20:20 (eight months ago) link
Mordy, did you study ethnomusicology? Not doing so has always been a minor regret of mine. I did take an intro anthropology course and the prof would start each class by playing music and asking us to guess where it was from
― rob, Monday, 3 February 2020 14:50 (eight months ago) link
Sorta - I did a Performance Studies grad degree but worked with ethnomusicologists and on topics that had a lot of crossover so I ended up studying + reading a lot of ethnomusicology and took a few classes in the discipline. I was mostly interested in religious + liturgical music and wrote about Jewish music primarily but I also wrote about other things. I also did a course in Sound Studies that was very interesting.
― Mordy, Monday, 3 February 2020 15:08 (eight months ago) link
Ah that's interesting. A good friend of mine is doing a PhD in performance studies at CUNY right now and all his classes sound great--he's a playwright & director but is also taking a lot of music-related courses. When I worked in academic publishing I promoted ethnomusicology books but never had time to do much more than skim them (I wish I'd kept copies of them all now!). Sound studies is closer to my own academic field (media/comms) but I haven't had a chance to get seriously into yet.
― rob, Monday, 3 February 2020 15:26 (eight months ago) link
Shakira At Super Bowl halftime used the the Congo instrumental song Icha by Syran Mbenza. The guitar solo is by Lokassa Ya Mbongo I am reading on twitter. Colombian champeta is drawn from Congolese rumba in part.
She also drew a bit from her Lebanese heritage. Zaghrouta is the tongue thing she did.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:16 (eight months ago) link
Maybe some university classes are discussing that today!
― curmudgeon, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:18 (eight months ago) link
Plus the myriad other elements and the guests Bad Bunny & J Balvin
― curmudgeon, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:19 (eight months ago) link
I didn't see it, but that does sound like a rich text!
― rob, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:24 (eight months ago) link
can't wait to talk about this w my students! they love bad bunny
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:40 (eight months ago) link
Aw man RIP
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 31 July 2020 01:21 (two months ago) link
That sucks. Covid related?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 July 2020 04:49 (two months ago) link
So this guy, the producer, is English but his sound and his collaborators are African so I feel I can mention it on this thread (if only under the "some exceptions" caveat to thread title). Need to listen again but really liked it on 1st pass:
Skinshape - Umoja
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:37 (two months ago) link
The heavy metal scene in Botswana.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 August 2020 10:10 (two months ago) link
Orquestra Baobab member Balla Sidibe’s death has not been attributed to COVID in the articles I saw.
I haven’t listened to Botswana heavy metal. I have been listening to UK based Nigerian Obangjayar who raps and sometimes uses old-school rooted afrobeats rhythms.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:13 (two months ago) link
Obangjayar has his own thread! He’s great live too, saw him just before lockdown
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:57 (two months ago) link
here's that thread: up like sun, down like sun - a thread for obongjayar
(Obongjayar is the correct spelling)
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:13 (two months ago) link
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:08 (two months ago) link
There’s Only like 2 comments on his thread!
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:12 (two months ago) link
Oumou Sangare is on Beyonce’s visual Black is King album and Burna Boy and Beyonce holding a Robert Farris Thompson book on Yoruban art. Lots of other cool guests too. It’s a bit flawed but I like the ambition.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 20:10 (two months ago) link
Just noticed I have missed out on some new Mdou Moctar mixtapes plus new Saharan Whats App ones
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:36 (two months ago) link
Some Hassan Hajjaj photos of Moroccan musicians and others
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 03:40 (two months ago) link
The ongoing series “My Rock Stars” is Mr. Hajjaj’s homage to his cosmopolitan crowd. (A sampler: the American artist Hank Willis Thomas; the Moroccan filmmaker Meryem Benm’Barek; the French-Algerian musician Rachid Taha, who died last year.) Some are famous, but styled by HajjajIn the Shoreditch shop, the grime M.C. Afrikan Boy, the Gnawa drummer Simo Lagnawi & the soul singer Bumi drifted in to rehearse. Mr. Hajjaj was developing a multimedia stage show, “My Rock Stars Experimental,” w/ video projections & live performance by musicians styled by him
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 03:43 (two months ago) link
Buscabulla’s tropical Puerto Rican synth pop w/ some r’n’b is nice enough
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 August 2020 01:07 (two months ago) link
Whatever the fuck is going on here is the best:
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:32 (two months ago) link
They definitely have a vision:
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:33 (two months ago) link
okay, i am very into this
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 14:58 (two months ago) link
They play all the hits! Mainly Brazilian ones, but some foreign ones as well, including a mean “Billie Jean”:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSEJpsquisThey are Fundo de Quintal OFC btw(please tag your musical links for searching and Posterity reasons, folx!)
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:37 (two months ago) link
ha that's classic
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:38 (two months ago) link
their YT channel has dozens of videos! they’re basically called The Backyard Boys.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:42 (two months ago) link
GoogleTranslating this key quote:
“The name Fundo de Quintal was given in reference to the very scenario in which the quintet originated, and not in honor of the famous pagoda group of the 1990s. According to Simão, the inspirations for recording the first videos came from the boys' own will, and not from any prior influence of anything they have seen. The originality of Fundo de Quintal also caught the attention of producers and major YouTube players. On July 13, the video of the group interpreting the song "Na Raba Toma Tapão" by MC Niack, the most viewed of the channel - with almost 5 million hits -, was used on Kondzilla's Instagram to celebrate the 30 million hits views of the original version. The channel, by the way, is today the third largest in the world in the music segment on the platform.”
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:43 (two months ago) link
(icymi that Niack track is one of ILM's official Summer Jams of the year)
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:45 (two months ago) link
Brilliant bit of historical context, again through GoogleTranslate:
“This structure, created by the boys from Centro dos Rodrigues, also finds parallels in other artistic movements of great importance, such as the so-called "happenings" - a term used for the first time in 1959 by the American artist Allan Kaprow, and defined by the composer John Cage as " spontaneous and plot-free theatrical events ". In this type of scenic work, some element of spontaneity or improvisation is incorporated, which never happens in the same way with each new presentation. Considered performances, happenings were very popular during pop art in the United States.”
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:47 (two months ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:56 (two months ago) link
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:31 (one month ago) link
In 1984 some Ethiopians living in the DC area borrowed some $ and recorded an album as Admas and pressed a 1000 copies. Decades later they were selling for a lot on Ebay. A Danish collector living in NYC tracked them down after he bought a copy on Ebay, and he reissued the album. 3 of the band members are back in Ethiopia. 1 tours as Teddy Afro's keyboardist, one is a producer, the other is a music educator.
The album is mostly instrumental and starts with a loungey golden era Ethiopia type track, and has one track with a reggae feel, another with a Brazilian jazz samba portion, and funkier one and one has vocals.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 September 2020 05:03 (one month ago) link
As described, Admas are influenced by golden era Ethiopiques, but incorporated 80s influences as well, that they heard both in DC & back home in Ethiopia
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 September 2020 19:21 (one month ago) link
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 4 September 2020 06:32 (one month ago) link
Acclaimed Malian artist Afel Bocoum's new record Lindé is out today on World Circuit Records. The album is executive produced by Damon Albarn (Blur, Gorillaz) and Nick Gold (Buena Vista Social Club), and features appearances by Afrobeat pioneer Tony Allen, Joan as Police Woman, Vin Gordon (The Skatalites) and many more.
Press release info for a new Afel Bocoum album I want to hear . Although worried Blur guy and other producer have tried to smother him with guests
― curmudgeon, Friday, 4 September 2020 14:11 (one month ago) link
that Fundo de Quintal stuff is brilliant
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 7 September 2020 23:00 (one month ago) link
So, this probably has a lot of places it could fit, but I think because of its unclassifiable nature, it belongs here.
They're from Nairobi, it's on Nyege Nyege, and is a bit metal, a bit gabber, a bit of Kenyan "slum drumming."
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 7 September 2020 23:06 (one month ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 14:02 (one month ago) link
I still have to get to Sharhabil Ahmed: the King of Sudanese Jazz ( Habibi Funk) and the 2 new Brazilian funky efforts from Carlinhos Brown (candyall)
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 September 2020 17:06 (one month ago) link
X-post - that Duma video is wild.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 September 2020 17:09 (one month ago) link
Right? I think my main complaint about the video is that the album track is about four minutes longer, though I guess maintaining that level of simultaneously carefree and menacing atmosphere for a long period of time is a hard ask.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 10 September 2020 18:38 (one month ago) link
The online Sufi music fest at the Dc Smithsonian museum of Asian Art started nicely today with Sufi songs from Manganiyar and Langa Communities, Marwar, Rajasthan, India w/ Anwar Khan Manganiyar, vocals ; Barkat Khan Manganiyar, vocals; & percussion & string instrumentalists was great. The melancholy vocals reminded me a bit of some Jewish cantors I have heard ( or vice versa)
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 September 2020 04:11 (one month ago) link
Afro-Colombian online concerts this week
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:44 (four weeks ago) link
X-post - Sufi poetry online Wednesday from Freer Sackler National Museum of Asian Art
n Wed., Sept. 23, 12 pm EDT, singer Walid Ben Selim & harpist Marie Marguerite Cano join us for "Spiritual Poems from the East," for Transcendence: A [Virtual] #Sufi #MusicFestival. s.si.edu/2FyICBu Ben Selim will speak about his music and answer audience questions. 🎶
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:49 (four weeks ago) link
Sufi thing should be good ( and different from great first one in that series that was from India)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 14:10 (three weeks ago) link
At the Kol Nidre service I watched via zoom earlier tonight, the cantor played oud on one song while another musician played a Qanun (like a hammered dulcimer sort of) and a percussionist held and hit a sorta Persian/Iranian daf frame drum
― curmudgeon, Monday, 28 September 2020 03:35 (three weeks ago) link
Nice new single with great vocals from The Good Ones (from Rwanda )
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 October 2020 02:56 (two weeks ago) link
Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 12 – 1pmDescription Transcendence: A Sufi Music FestivalZainab Afailal, Morocco Listen to Sufi-inspired Andalusian songs from southern Spain and Morocco at our concluding festival performance. Zainab Afailal will perform in the refined styles of Sufi devotional music that are based on two forms of Arabic poetry—the muwashah and the Zajal—which developed in eleventh- and twelfth-century Spain. Born and raised in Tetouan, Afaillal is one of the most celebrated female singers to perform in this mode, which for generations was believed to be an exclusively male domain. Her performance will be followed by a talk with Dr. Scott Kugle, professor of South Asian and Islamic Studies at Emory University.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:07 (two weeks ago) link
DC Ethiopian band Kino Musica has a new ep out on bandcamp plus a new video for one of the songs. I like the video but haven’t heard the ep yet. Looking forward to it
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 3 October 2020 18:27 (two weeks ago) link
X-post - the Sufi events I have mentioned are gonna be made available post-zoom on the National Museum of Asian Art ( formerly Freer/ Sackler) YouTube page
― curmudgeon, Monday, 5 October 2020 18:13 (two weeks ago) link
relief fund for African musicians
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 23:44 (one week ago) link
Mdou Moctar and band sign to Matador and release new video. Album coming soon
― curmudgeon, Friday, 9 October 2020 19:06 (one week ago) link
New Ustad Saami is sounding incredible, even better than the first one
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Saturday, 10 October 2020 15:59 (one week ago) link
Will check it out
Pitchfork story on Discotan- performance space, site, label for music from South Asia and North Africa
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 16:12 (one week ago) link